Warm Weather Pilots, Cold Weather Ops

[john smith]

Is the Montrose crash "Deja Vu all over again"?

Back in the 80's and 90's we saw several crashes which featured pilots
from warm weather climes operating in cold weather areas who failed to
pay attention to the affects of freezing precipation on the airframes
they were flying.
ie
- Air Florida "Palm 90" departure from Washington Reagan National
- American Eagle ATR42 "Rosewood" crash
- several business jets at Aspen

Is this a "Brain Fart", complacency, or symptom of a training and
education problem?

[Schmoe]

john smith wrote:
> Is the Montrose crash "Deja Vu all over again"?
>
> Back in the 80's and 90's we saw several crashes which featured pilots
> from warm weather climes operating in cold weather areas who failed to
> pay attention to the affects of freezing precipation on the airframes
> they were flying.


Since when is New Jersey a "warm weather clime"?

[Andrew Gideon]

Schmoe wrote:

> Since when is New Jersey a "warm weather clime"?

In the summer?

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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:35:00 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>Is the Montrose crash "Deja Vu all over again"?
>
>Back in the 80's and 90's we saw several crashes which featured pilots
>from warm weather climes operating in cold weather areas who failed to
>pay attention to the affects of freezing precipation on the airframes
>they were flying.

It may actually be a result of warm weather, low elevation pilots.

Montrose (MTJ) elevation is 5700 feet. Weather was about ISA, so the density
altitude was close to the elevation. Two runways, 10,000 and 7,500 lengths.
The preliminary report does not indicate which runway. Bit of ice plus the high
density altitude ...

Just the altitude about doubles my takeoff roll in a Piper Warrior.

Demonick