TMG around San Diego

[Ingo Wolf]

Hi,

are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
California / San Diego ?
I wan't to make my licence this spring
in california would like to have TMG
Rating too.

Regards

[Mike Rapoport]

What is a TMG?

Mike
MU-2

"Ingo Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
> California / San Diego ?
> I wan't to make my licence this spring
> in california would like to have TMG
> Rating too.
>
> Regards
>
>

[Ingo Wolf]

Mike Rapoport wrote:
> What is a TMG?
>
Touring Motor Glider

[zatatime]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:04:20 +0100, "Ingo Wolf" >
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
>California / San Diego ?
>I wan't to make my licence this spring
>in california would like to have TMG
>Rating too.
>
>Regards
>

I think if you have a glider certificate, you can fly those legally.

Just a usenet opinion though.
z

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 04:11:28 +0100, "Ingo Wolf" >
wrote:

>Mike Rapoport wrote:
>> What is a TMG?
>>
>Touring Motor Glider
>
You should get some good answers from sailplane pilots here. But if
that fails, you could email these guys:

http://www.skysailing.com/

Don

[Mark James Boyd]

www.lasoaring.com

Don't know anything else about it, but I bet they are
getting a LOT of new (foriegn) customers with this
damn TSA thing shutting down the ASEL foriegn training.

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:04:20 +0100, "Ingo Wolf" >
>wrote in >::
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
>>California / San Diego ?
>>I wan't to make my licence this spring
>>in california would like to have TMG
>>Rating too.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>
>The term TMG (Touring Motor Glider) is new to me. Regardless, you're
>question might meet with more response if posted in the
>rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup, so I've crossposted this follow up to
>include that group.
>
>


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------------+
Mark J. Boyd

[William W. Plummer]

zatatime wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:04:20 +0100, "Ingo Wolf" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
>>California / San Diego ?
>>I wan't to make my licence this spring
>>in california would like to have TMG
>>Rating too.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>
>
> I think if you have a glider certificate, you can fly those legally.
>
> Just a usenet opinion though.
> z
No. His glider certificate will probably be limited to "Aero Tow Only".
He can get "Self launch" added very easily. I don't know anyplace
in this area that has winch launches, but it is very common in Europe.


______________________________________________
'Bill Plummer @ N42 34.623 W071 21.607

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:04:20 +0100, "Ingo Wolf" >
wrote in >::

>Hi,
>
>are TMGs aviable for hire in southern
>California / San Diego ?
>I wan't to make my licence this spring
>in california would like to have TMG
>Rating too.
>
>Regards
>

The term TMG (Touring Motor Glider) is new to me. Regardless, you're
question might meet with more response if posted in the
rec.aviation.soaring newsgroup, so I've crossposted this follow up to
include that group.

[Larry Dighera]

On 7 Dec 2004 10:43:51 -0700, (Mark James Boyd)
wrote in <41b5f9e7$1@darkstar>::

>www.lasoaring.com

That's a terrific idea! Thanks for the link.

[Stefan]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> The term TMG (Touring Motor Glider) is new to me.

In Europe, TMG is a well defined term and a TMG needs a different rating
than just a glider rating with a "mere" self launch endorsement. (It's
even more complex: You can choose between achieving the TMG rating as a
type rating for power pilots and as an additional rating for glider pilots.)

It's well possible that in the USA, a TMG is just another self launching
glider. I don't know. Anyway, I know of one commercial operator of a
Katana Extreme (aka Dimona) in Arizona: http://www.skykingsoaring.com/.
You might find others at http://www.ssa.org

Stefan

[[email protected]]

Sky Sailing (near San Diego) has a Stemme.

[[email protected]]

Sky Sailing (near San Diego) has a Stemme.

[Larry Dighera]

On 7 Dec 2004 10:55:58 -0800, wrote in
. com>::

>Sky Sailing (near San Diego) has a Stemme

In deed they do: http://www.skysailing.com/pages/lessons.html#all

Stemme $130/hr Engine + $60/hr Airframe Dual Only

[Stefan]

wrote:

> Sky Sailing (near San Diego) has a Stemme.

I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.

Stefan

[Marc Ramsey]

Stefan wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.

The type category "Touring Motor Glider" does not exist in the US. The
Stemme, Dimona, G109, DG-800, ASK-14, ASW-24E, etc., are all gliders
with self-launch capability. An FAA Glider rating allows you to fly any
of them as PIC. A self-launch endorsement from a CFIG is required if
(and only if) you make use of the self-launch capability.

Marc

[Stefan]

Marc Ramsey wrote:

>> I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.

> The type category "Touring Motor Glider" does not exist in the US.

I thought so. But the original poster lives in Germany, at least his
name and email address point in this direction. And as he wrote that he
would like to have the TMG rating, I think this question is of interest
to him.

Stefan

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:25:01 +0100, Stefan >
wrote in >::

>I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.

But is a remarkable piece of artistic engineering.
http://www.stemme.de/

"The S 10-VT is the easiest to handle and most good-natured open
class sailplane."

The S8 is the TMG: http://www.stemmewest.com/pages/S8_E.pdf

[Bert Willing]

The Stemme is a TMG under German rules.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Stefan" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> Marc Ramsey wrote:
>
>>> I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.
>
>> The type category "Touring Motor Glider" does not exist in the US.
>
> I thought so. But the original poster lives in Germany, at least his name
> and email address point in this direction. And as he wrote that he would
> like to have the TMG rating, I think this question is of interest to him.
>
> Stefan
>
>

[Gig Giacona]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:25:01 +0100, Stefan >
> wrote in >::
>
>>I may be wrong, but I think the Stemme V10 is legally not a TMG.
>
> But is a remarkable piece of artistic engineering.
> http://www.stemme.de/
>
> "The S 10-VT is the easiest to handle and most good-natured open
> class sailplane."
>
> The S8 is the TMG: http://www.stemmewest.com/pages/S8_E.pdf

I know nothing about Gliders but I went and looked at the PDF document
above. CS prop, retractable gear, 170 knots. That is impressive.

My question. Can it be flown by a PP-SEL or do you have to have a glider
rating?

[Eric Greenwell]

Gig Giacona wrote:

>>
>> "The S 10-VT is the easiest to handle and most good-natured open
>> class sailplane."
>>
>>The S8 is the TMG: http://www.stemmewest.com/pages/S8_E.pdf
>
>
> I know nothing about Gliders but I went and looked at the PDF document
> above. CS prop, retractable gear, 170 knots. That is impressive.
>
> My question. Can it be flown by a PP-SEL or do you have to have a glider
> rating?

In the USA, you need a glider rating with a self-launch enddorsement.
Other countries treat it quite differently.


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