origins of cutting the shirt after solo

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There have been many stories told about the practice of cutting the
shirt of the freshly soloed pilot. None of them made any sense to me,
so, after once again reading of the 'tradition' on another list, I
asked the one person that I knew who had made a long career of flying
and flight instructing, the chief instructor at my college aero program
(the late and lamented Bates Aeronautical Foundation at Harvey Mudd
College), Iris Critchell. Iris' first lessons were in a Cub circa 1939,
was the first woman to complete the civil pilot training program at
USC, has some great first-person stories about piloting P-51 Mustangs
during WWII and was inducted into the flight instructor hall of fame in
2000. She also still flies and instructs.

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I quote Mrs. C's answer, with permission:

"This shirt tail cut off business.
Someone in the late 70's peak of flight school business (or early 80's)
thought that up and it caught on across the country simply as something
to do to amuse the customer. Pin the shirt tail up in the flight
school office and every one signed it!

It had no place in the flight training of earlier years. It was not
started "back when". When I was in my first CPTP course, when the USC
group who flew with the instructor had got their licenses, they knew he
liked Johnny Walker Black label and got him a bottle! I never came
across that idea again. At most your instructor wrote something in the
remarks section of your log book when you soloed. No, it was not a
regular custom in earlier years! ...

None of my contemporaries nor I had any shirt tails cut off when we
soloed or got licenses. That was before and during the Civil Pilot
Training Program 1938-39 and on. When I taught on the CPTP program
in 41-42 no shirt tails were cut off around us.

It was too close to the years of the depression and people could not
afford to go around destroying people's perfectly good shirts! "

....and that is definitive as far as I am concerned! Evidence to the
contrary should be more than hearsay.
cheers,
-Greg
solo in '74, shirt remains intact

[DL]

It definitely was going before the late 70's or early 80's.

Mine was cut in 1963 at a little university town in a deep southern state of
the US.

It was pinned onto the wall. The building wasn't that old, but there were a
few years worth, already up there.

Don't know about before that.

Doug
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> wrote in message
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> There have been many stories told about the practice of cutting the
> shirt of the freshly soloed pilot. None of them made any sense to me,
> so, after once again reading of the 'tradition' on another list, I
> asked the one person that I knew who had made a long career of flying
> and flight instructing, the chief instructor at my college aero program
> (the late and lamented Bates Aeronautical Foundation at Harvey Mudd
> College), Iris Critchell. Iris' first lessons were in a Cub circa 1939,
> was the first woman to complete the civil pilot training program at
> USC, has some great first-person stories about piloting P-51 Mustangs
> during WWII and was inducted into the flight instructor hall of fame in
> 2000. She also still flies and instructs.
>
>
http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/2001/06/20/p17s1.htm
>
> I quote Mrs. C's answer, with permission:
>
> "This shirt tail cut off business.
> Someone in the late 70's peak of flight school business (or early 80's)
> thought that up and it caught on across the country simply as something
> to do to amuse the customer. Pin the shirt tail up in the flight
> school office and every one signed it!
>
> It had no place in the flight training of earlier years. It was not
> started "back when". When I was in my first CPTP course, when the USC
> group who flew with the instructor had got their licenses, they knew he
> liked Johnny Walker Black label and got him a bottle! I never came
> across that idea again. At most your instructor wrote something in the
> remarks section of your log book when you soloed. No, it was not a
> regular custom in earlier years! ...
>
> None of my contemporaries nor I had any shirt tails cut off when we
> soloed or got licenses. That was before and during the Civil Pilot
> Training Program 1938-39 and on. When I taught on the CPTP program
> in 41-42 no shirt tails were cut off around us.
>
> It was too close to the years of the depression and people could not
> afford to go around destroying people's perfectly good shirts! "
>
> ...and that is definitive as far as I am concerned! Evidence to the
> contrary should be more than hearsay.
> cheers,
> -Greg
> solo in '74, shirt remains intact
>

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wrote:
> There have been many stories told about the practice of cutting the
> shirt of the freshly soloed pilot. None of them made any sense to me,
> so, after once again reading of the 'tradition' on another list, I
> asked the one person that I knew who had made a long career of flying
> and flight instructing, the chief instructor at my college aero
program
> (the late and lamented Bates Aeronautical Foundation at Harvey Mudd
> College), Iris Critchell. Iris' first lessons were in a Cub circa
1939,
> was the first woman to complete the civil pilot training program at
> USC, has some great first-person stories about piloting P-51 Mustangs
> during WWII and was inducted into the flight instructor hall of fame
in
> 2000. She also still flies and instructs.
***********************
While certainly not of her caliber, I soloed in 1959 and all my
instructor did was shake my hand and say, "Congratulations. Now you are
a pilot." And that was it! I've watched solo ceremonies in South
America (60's) in which the student had to crouch down in a pit while
the mechanics poured old engine oil over his head, followed by the
student trying to give anyone he could grab with a bearhug. Shortly
after that, the student would clean up, and everyone would retire to
the bar for drinks and food paid for by the student. Great sport in
those days...!
Since then I have clipped a number of shirttails that hung on walls of
the various flight schools or operations for a while to be taken home
by the student later on.
I have absolutely no idea where the shirt cutting originated.
Ol Shy & Bashful

>
>
http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/2001/06/20/p17s1.htm
>
> I quote Mrs. C's answer, with permission:
>
> "This shirt tail cut off business.
> Someone in the late 70's peak of flight school business (or early
80's)
> thought that up and it caught on across the country simply as
something
> to do to amuse the customer. Pin the shirt tail up in the flight
> school office and every one signed it!
>
> It had no place in the flight training of earlier years. It was not
> started "back when". When I was in my first CPTP course, when the
USC
> group who flew with the instructor had got their licenses, they knew
he
> liked Johnny Walker Black label and got him a bottle! I never came
> across that idea again. At most your instructor wrote something in
the
> remarks section of your log book when you soloed. No, it was not a
> regular custom in earlier years! ...
>
> None of my contemporaries nor I had any shirt tails cut off when we
> soloed or got licenses. That was before and during the Civil Pilot
> Training Program 1938-39 and on. When I taught on the CPTP
program
> in 41-42 no shirt tails were cut off around us.
>
> It was too close to the years of the depression and people could not
> afford to go around destroying people's perfectly good shirts! "
>
> ...and that is definitive as far as I am concerned! Evidence to the
> contrary should be more than hearsay.
> cheers,
> -Greg
> solo in '74, shirt remains intact

[Stan Prevost]

"DL" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> It definitely was going before the late 70's or early 80's.
>
> Mine was cut in 1963 at a little university town in a deep southern state
> of
> the US.
>
And the initials of that university would be MSU? :-)

[DL]

Yep. But you knew that already :)

"Stan Prevost" > wrote in message
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> "DL" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > It definitely was going before the late 70's or early 80's.
> >
> > Mine was cut in 1963 at a little university town in a deep southern
state
> > of
> > the US.
> >
> And the initials of that university would be MSU? :-)
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