How close would Hawaii have to be...

[Ben Jackson]

How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
airplanes?

Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...

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Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Casey Wilson]

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54...
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?
>
> Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...
>
> PHTO 102153Z 31011KT 10SM BKN045 OVC055 22/14 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP205
> T02220144
>
> --
> Ben Jackson

Geez, Ben, a question like that prompts an answer like this:

Within fuel range, plus reserve.

Are you trolling?

[[email protected]]

Ben Jackson wrote :
>Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...

Current weather in Phoenix is almost the same (actually we're at 74F),
plus it's a lot closer (unless you live in Hawaii).
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Peter Duniho]

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54...
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?

Why do you ask? Have you discovered a way to move the islands?

I'd love it if the Hawaiian islands were closer to here. But I'm afraid the
weather might change if you relocate them. They might not be such a
desirable vacation location after such a big move.

Maybe you should rethink this idea of yours...

Pete

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article . com>,
" > wrote:

> Ben Jackson wrote :
> >Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...
>
> Current weather in Phoenix is almost the same (actually we're at 74F),
> plus it's a lot closer (unless you live in Hawaii).
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)


And -- Phoenix is right on the beach! Trouble is -- the water is a bit
far away!

[Blueskies]

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message news:C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54...
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?
>
> Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...
>
> PHTO 102153Z 31011KT 10SM BKN045 OVC055 22/14 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP205 T02220144
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/


I used to know a couple of folks who flew C-177s over there; they did fly solo and it did take ~24 hours...

Ferry flights you know...

[G.R. Patterson III]

Ben Jackson wrote:
>
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?

Are you planning to move it?

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54...
>
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?
>

Close enough to fly to.

[PJ Hunt]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote
> Why do you ask? Have you discovered a way to move the islands?
>
> I'd love it if the Hawaiian islands were closer to here. But I'm afraid
the
> weather might change if you relocate them. They might not be such a
> desirable vacation location after such a big move.

Maybe we could just move California closer to Hawaii.

PJ

[Jay Honeck]

> Current weather in Phoenix is almost the same (actually we're at 74F),
> plus it's a lot closer (unless you live in Hawaii).

Yeah, Phoenix starts to look pretty nice about now. (Although we have had
another very nice fall here in Iowa, with temps pushing into the upper 40s
almost every day. That's about to change, I suspect...)

Too bad Phoenix is such a blast furnace from April till October.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

PJ Hunt wrote:

> "Peter Duniho" > wrote
>
>>Why do you ask? Have you discovered a way to move the islands?
>>
>>I'd love it if the Hawaiian islands were closer to here. But I'm afraid
>
> the
>
>>weather might change if you relocate them. They might not be such a
>>desirable vacation location after such a big move.
>
>
> Maybe we could just move California closer to Hawaii.

And wreck Hawaii from the stench of California?

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Current weather in Phoenix is almost the same (actually we're at 74F),
>>plus it's a lot closer (unless you live in Hawaii).
>
>
> Yeah, Phoenix starts to look pretty nice about now. (Although we have had
> another very nice fall here in Iowa, with temps pushing into the upper 40s
> almost every day. That's about to change, I suspect...)
>
> Too bad Phoenix is such a blast furnace from April till October.

I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of October.
First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would
live there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you
don't golf you have absolutely nothing to do. Give me Florida and a
nice humid 85 on the beach anytime.

[Chris Schmelzer]

In article <C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54>,
(Ben Jackson) wrote:

> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?
>
> Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...
>
> PHTO 102153Z 31011KT 10SM BKN045 OVC055 22/14 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP205 T02220144


Not any closer...IF you fly there in a Diamond Twinstar at about 55%
throttle....

Once they start delivering of course...

--
Chris Schmelzer, MD
Capt, 110th Fighter Michigan ANG
University of Michigan Hospitals
Ann Arbor, MI

[Jay Honeck]

> I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of October.
> First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
> family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would live
> there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you don't golf
> you have absolutely nothing to do. Give me Florida and a nice humid 85 on
> the beach anytime.

I was with you until you hit that Florida note. Florida is like a hot, wet,
sticky blanket, with large insects.

I can take it for a week in March, though...

Phoenix, on the other hand, is just about the ugliest city I've ever seen.
Dirty, brown, dusty, barren, with lots of street people and wailing sirens.

But, again, I can take it for a week or two in winter!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of October.
>>First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
>>family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would live
>>there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you don't golf
>>you have absolutely nothing to do. Give me Florida and a nice humid 85 on
>>the beach anytime.
>
>
> I was with you until you hit that Florida note. Florida is like a hot, wet,
> sticky blanket, with large insects.

Growing up in Minnesota I know all about flying insects. This is not a
problem along the Florida coasts. But I do pull the Geckos and little
frogs from my folks pool enclosure. I like humidity when I am by the
ocean and Florida is 100% better for the insects than the midwest.

[Jay Honeck]

> Growing up in Minnesota I know all about flying insects. This is not a
> problem along the Florida coasts. But I do pull the Geckos and little
> frogs from my folks pool enclosure. I like humidity when I am by the
> ocean and Florida is 100% better for the insects than the midwest.

One thing I really, REALLY like about the Midwest is the way the winter
kills off all the bugs.

In Florida this never happens, thus my comment.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Beckman]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:v9Nud.246308$R05.80734@attbi_s53...
>> I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of October.
>> First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
>> family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would
>> live there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you don't
>> golf you have absolutely nothing to do. Give me Florida and a nice humid
>> 85 on the beach anytime.
>
> I was with you until you hit that Florida note. Florida is like a hot,
> wet, sticky blanket, with large insects.
>
> I can take it for a week in March, though...
>
> Phoenix, on the other hand, is just about the ugliest city I've ever seen.
> Dirty, brown, dusty, barren, with lots of street people and wailing
> sirens.
>
> But, again, I can take it for a week or two in winter!
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

What else would a desert be but brown, dusty and barren? It's precisely
because people don't appreciate it's natural, rugged beauty that we find
ourselves in a water crunch. People should let the desert be a desert and
stop trying to convert it into some lush paradise which it isn't meant to
be.

As for the dirty part...Phoenix is no worse (and certainly a lot better)
than many major cities around the country.

The homeless situation is directly tied to the weather. Makes sense doesn't
it? If you're gonna be sleeping outside, why not go where it's warm? Been
to Seattle lately? I seems to me that there are just as many homeless (if
not more...) in Seattle and they are a lot more aggressive when it comes to
panhandling. I've never felt threatened by anyone on the streets of
downtown Phoenix...but I've had the bejezus scared out of me a couple of
time in Seattle by people rushing up and getting right in my face for spare
change.

Dunno why you think we have an over abundance of sirens. We certainly don't
hear them much down here in the SE part of the valley. Maybe you just have
overly sensitive ears? :O)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[[email protected]]

> news:v9Nud.246308$R05.80734@attbi_s53...
> >> I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of October.
> >> First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
> >> family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would
> >> live there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you don't
> >> golf you have absolutely nothing to do.

How could you possibly know what there is to do after only spending a
*weekend* here? What...did you spend 15 minutes thumbing through the
phonebook in your hotel room?

There's a *ton* of stuff to do here! Like any other city, if you know
what you want to do, you can find it pretty easily -- it's not
Timbuktu... all sports, hobbies and other interests and activities are
just as accessible here as they are anywhere else, some moreso; if you
don't already have an idea what you'd like to do, it takes a little time
to find out what there is just by talking to people and hearing about
places to go and things to do. What exactly did you expect to find that
wasn't here?

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> > Phoenix, on the other hand, is just about the ugliest city I've ever seen.
> > Dirty, brown, dusty, barren, with lots of street people and wailing
> > sirens.

And as for you, Jay Honeck, visit any major city in the nation, and tell
me there aren't some areas that people in the really nice parts of the
city wish didn't exist! Ever been to San Francisco? It has some of the
most gorgeous architecture, beautifully-restored Victorian homes to die
for, many historical landmarks, spectacular views, and other things to
see. But don't kid yourself -- there are some districts in San Francisco
(as in any big city) that are crawling with street people, old battered
homes that are barely hanging by a thread, streets littered with raw
garbage and dirty diapers, and areas where you wouldn't *dare* want to
even THINK about getting out of your car.

Point being that it's easy to make these blanket generalizations about
cities that you only see certain parts of. As Jay Beckman said, Phoenix
is no better or worse than any other big city ... certainly not all of
it is "dirty, brown, dusty, or barren" and God knows, saying there's
"absolutely nothing to do" couldn't be further from the truth. Of
course, if you like building snowmen, being on hurricane watch, trapsing
around in the rain for 6 months out of every year, and being bundled up
in layers and layers of warm clothes, you wouldn't be happy in Phoenix.

[Jay Beckman]

> wrote in message
...
>> news:v9Nud.246308$R05.80734@attbi_s53...
>> >> I was in Phoenix with my kids hockey team the first weekend of
>> >> October.
>> >> First time I had been there since the mid 70's when I was a kid on a
>> >> family trip. I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would
>> >> live there even in the winter, much less the hotter months. If you
>> >> don't
>> >> golf you have absolutely nothing to do.
>
> How could you possibly know what there is to do after only spending a
> *weekend* here? What...did you spend 15 minutes thumbing through the
> phonebook in your hotel room?
>
> There's a *ton* of stuff to do here! Like any other city, if you know
> what you want to do, you can find it pretty easily -- it's not
> Timbuktu... all sports, hobbies and other interests and activities are
> just as accessible here as they are anywhere else, some moreso; if you
> don't already have an idea what you'd like to do, it takes a little time
> to find out what there is just by talking to people and hearing about
> places to go and things to do. What exactly did you expect to find that
> wasn't here?
>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> > Phoenix, on the other hand, is just about the ugliest city I've ever
>> > seen.
>> > Dirty, brown, dusty, barren, with lots of street people and wailing
>> > sirens.
>
> And as for you, Jay Honeck, visit any major city in the nation, and tell
> me there aren't some areas that people in the really nice parts of the
> city wish didn't exist! Ever been to San Francisco? It has some of the
> most gorgeous architecture, beautifully-restored Victorian homes to die
> for, many historical landmarks, spectacular views, and other things to
> see. But don't kid yourself -- there are some districts in San Francisco
> (as in any big city) that are crawling with street people, old battered
> homes that are barely hanging by a thread, streets littered with raw
> garbage and dirty diapers, and areas where you wouldn't *dare* want to
> even THINK about getting out of your car.
>
> Point being that it's easy to make these blanket generalizations about
> cities that you only see certain parts of. As Jay Beckman said, Phoenix
> is no better or worse than any other big city ... certainly not all of
> it is "dirty, brown, dusty, or barren" and God knows, saying there's
> "absolutely nothing to do" couldn't be further from the truth. Of
> course, if you like building snowmen, being on hurricane watch, trapsing
> around in the rain for 6 months out of every year, and being bundled up
> in layers and layers of warm clothes, you wouldn't be happy in Phoenix.

The preceding message was brought to you by the Greater Phoenix Convention
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Jay B

[clyde woempner]

Not close enough, but gives you a good reason to buy a bigger plane, you
know a christmas present.
Clyde

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:C1pud.478300$wV.473371@attbi_s54...
> How close would Hawaii have to be for pilots to vacation there in light
> airplanes?
>
> Current weather in Hilo: 72F, but a bit cloudy...
>
> PHTO 102153Z 31011KT 10SM BKN045 OVC055 22/14 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP205
T02220144
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/

[Jay Honeck]

> What else would a desert be but brown, dusty and barren? It's precisely
> because people don't appreciate it's natural, rugged beauty that we find
> ourselves in a water crunch. People should let the desert be a desert and
> stop trying to convert it into some lush paradise which it isn't meant to
> be.

Agreed. I find the desert to be starkly beautiful, and love the mountains.
I've always assumed that I would retire to the desert Southwest.

But an interesting thing always happens on our return flights from the
region. My spirits begin to soar as we start to hit "the green belt" -- and
are positively tingling by the time we're winging our way over the
incredibly intense greens of Iowa. There's just something about seeing
colors that is wonderful, and that I really miss when I'm out West.

Now, of course, at this time of year Iowa looks pretty much like the
desert -- brown as far as the eye can see, except for evergreen trees -- and
snow, when it finally gets here.

> As for the dirty part...Phoenix is no worse (and certainly a lot better)
> than many major cities around the country.

What makes Phoenix (and other desert cities -- it's certainly not a
Phoenix-only problem) so dirty is the lack of rain. During droughts, Iowa
gets the same way. Luckily, we are usually blessed with a nice, cleansing
rain about once a week, all spring/summer/fall long -- which really does
wonders on the streetscapes.

> The homeless situation is directly tied to the weather. Makes sense
> doesn't it? If you're gonna be sleeping outside, why not go where it's
> warm?

Absolutely. I've heard that the entire west coast of southern California is
the same way.

What a shame that the "do-gooders", in an attempt to fix some real problems,
forced the government to disband most of the mental health system, in favor
of "personal choice" and "freedom". How free do we think all those
schizophrenics who are now forced to live on the street really feel?

> Been to Seattle lately? I seems to me that there are just as many
> homeless (if not more...) in Seattle and they are a lot more aggressive
> when it comes to panhandling. I've never felt threatened by anyone on the
> streets of downtown Phoenix...but I've had the bejezus scared out of me a
> couple of time in Seattle by people rushing up and getting right in my
> face for spare change.

Shame on Seattle for not putting an end to that problem.

> Dunno why you think we have an over abundance of sirens. We certainly
> don't hear them much down here in the SE part of the valley. Maybe you
> just have overly sensitive ears? :O)

When you live in an area of the country that has no serious crime, you get
used to sirens being a rarity. Hearing them 24/7 when we last visited
Phoenix was a real downer.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Beckman]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:IVhvd.494063$wV.348685@attbi_s54...
>> What else would a desert be but brown, dusty and barren? It's precisely
>> because people don't appreciate it's natural, rugged beauty that we find
>> ourselves in a water crunch. People should let the desert be a desert
>> and stop trying to convert it into some lush paradise which it isn't
>> meant to be.
>
> Agreed. I find the desert to be starkly beautiful, and love the
> mountains. I've always assumed that I would retire to the desert
> Southwest.
>
> But an interesting thing always happens on our return flights from the
> region. My spirits begin to soar as we start to hit "the green belt" --
> and are positively tingling by the time we're winging our way over the
> incredibly intense greens of Iowa. There's just something about seeing
> colors that is wonderful, and that I really miss when I'm out West.

Oh man, if you want colors, you need to spend more time in the air out here
around sunrise/sunset where you'll see colors you won't believe exist in
nature. Mind blowing.

Believe it or not, I've gotten so used to the muted colors of the desert
that when I visit family in Michigan (in the summer) the abundance of green
is actually kind of hard on the eyes. Looks too much like The Wizard Of Oz
and the Emerald City.

Several of us transplanted mid-westerners also came to the conclusion one
day that the lack of identifiable landmarks on the horizon makes one feel
almost agoraphobic, makes the sky seem "too big" and it's hard to navigate!
We need a mountain to tell direction.

> Now, of course, at this time of year Iowa looks pretty much like the
> desert -- brown as far as the eye can see, except for evergreen trees --
> and snow, when it finally gets here.

Even Antarctica is considered "a desert." ;O)

>> As for the dirty part...Phoenix is no worse (and certainly a lot better)
>> than many major cities around the country.
>
> What makes Phoenix (and other desert cities -- it's certainly not a
> Phoenix-only problem) so dirty is the lack of rain. During droughts,
> Iowa gets the same way. Luckily, we are usually blessed with a nice,
> cleansing rain about once a week, all spring/summer/fall long -- which
> really does wonders on the streetscapes.

The "rainy season" helps here too, but so does wind. We get so stagnant
during some parts of the year that we develop our infamous "brown cloud"
which is as much desert dust kicked up by agriculture to the west and south
of town as it is auto emissions. Means smooth air for flying, but the viz
sucks.

>> The homeless situation is directly tied to the weather. Makes sense
>> doesn't it? If you're gonna be sleeping outside, why not go where it's
>> warm?
>
> Absolutely. I've heard that the entire west coast of southern California
> is the same way.
>
> What a shame that the "do-gooders", in an attempt to fix some real
> problems, forced the government to disband most of the mental health
> system, in favor of "personal choice" and "freedom". How free do we
> think all those schizophrenics who are now forced to live on the street
> really feel?

(I tend to basically agree, but I'm not gonna go here...)

>> Been to Seattle lately? I seems to me that there are just as many
>> homeless (if not more...) in Seattle and they are a lot more aggressive
>> when it comes to panhandling. I've never felt threatened by anyone on
>> the streets of downtown Phoenix...but I've had the bejezus scared out of
>> me a couple of time in Seattle by people rushing up and getting right in
>> my face for spare change.
>
> Shame on Seattle for not putting an end to that problem.
>
>> Dunno why you think we have an over abundance of sirens. We certainly
>> don't hear them much down here in the SE part of the valley. Maybe you
>> just have overly sensitive ears? :O)
>
> When you live in an area of the country that has no serious crime, you get
> used to sirens being a rarity. Hearing them 24/7 when we last visited
> Phoenix was a real downer.

IIRC, Chandler, AZ is in the top 10 safest places to live and you shouldn't
assume that every siren is a result of crime. Remember how much of an aged
population we have around here. I'd bet dollars to donuts that a lot of
what we hear is EMS helping people and not because somone is being persued
or something is burning.

Jay B.

[Jay Honeck]

> IIRC, Chandler, AZ is in the top 10 safest places to live and you
> shouldn't assume that every siren is a result of crime. Remember how much
> of an aged population we have around here. I'd bet dollars to donuts that
> a lot of what we hear is EMS helping people and not because somone is
> being persued or something is burning.

Good point!

Because Iowa City is so "young" (30K college students in a town of 60K tends
to skew the results), I'll bet we don't have half the ambulance calls
Phoenix has...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Robert M. Gary]

Florida? Hell no. In Florida you don't bother drying off after you get
out of the shower cause you'll just get wet again from the humidity. I
like to be able to dry off, thank you. Besides, I'll take 110 dry, in
Arizona before I'll drown in 85 soaking wet in Florida.

-Robert