Flight Times

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I really don't know anything about flying, and at times am terrified on
a commercial airliner (something about turbulence...)

Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane. I know this isn't
realistic, but I will have a better understanding on how everything
works without the hairpulling.

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

Thanks.

[zatatime]

On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:

>I really don't know anything about flying, and at times am terrified on
>a commercial airliner (something about turbulence...)
>
>Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
>FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane. I know this isn't
>realistic, but I will have a better understanding on how everything
>works without the hairpulling.
>
>I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
>that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
>plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?
>
>Thanks.


Eyeballing it seems to show about 250 miles. Without any wind (which
almost never happens) figure it'd take a 172 2 hours and 20 minutes,
depending on climb/descent times and traffic congestion at each
airport. I'd estimate renting a 172 with instructor at around $125
per hour so your looking at roughly $300 one way for the ride.

Hopefully all my estimates are slightly higher than reality so it'll
be a little less, but this is a good planning figure.

HTH.
z

[Tobias Schnell]

On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:

Hi,

>I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
>that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
>plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

North Las Vegas to PHX is roughly 230 nm, so an average rental C172
can make this trip in about 2,5 hours. Typical hourly rates for such a
plane are in the 80$-ballpark. Go figure...

Regards
Tobias

[G.R. Patterson III]

wrote:
>
> I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
> that take with a Cessna single engine?

My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles. Planning for cruise of
10,500', a '68 Cessna 172 will take a little over 3 hours to get there at 2,700
rpm.

> How much does it cost to rent a
> plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

I don't know prices in that area, but I can rent a 172 in New Jersey for $78/hr.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:58:35 GMT, zatatime > wrote in
>::

> On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:
[...]

>>I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
>>that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
>>plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?
>>
>
>Eyeballing it seems to show about 250 miles. Without any wind (which
>almost never happens) figure it'd take a 172 2 hours and 20 minutes,
>depending on climb/descent times and traffic congestion at each
>airport. I'd estimate renting a [Cessna] 172 with instructor at around $125
>per hour so your looking at roughly $300 one way for the ride.
>
>Hopefully all my estimates are slightly higher than reality[,] so it'll
>be a little less, but this is a good planning figure.

Of course, if the flight is made midday through the desert during the
summer in unstable air, it could require slowing to Va which would
further delay progress.

[Tobias Schnell]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:43:27 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:

>My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.

Huh? What airports are you using? Airnav says it's exactly 228.9 nm
from PHX to VGT.

Tobias

[G.R. Patterson III]

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
> My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.

Wrong Las Vegas. The one in Nevada is 222 miles from Poenix. Takes a bit under 2
hours.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[[email protected]]

Okay, that really concerns me.

How bad is flying out of Phoenix (or Vegas) in a small plane? The talk
of unstable air makes it sound extremely dangerous.

[zatatime]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:12:04 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:

>"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>>
>> My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.
>
>Wrong Las Vegas. The one in Nevada is 222 miles from Poenix. Takes a bit under 2
>hours.
>
>George Patterson
> The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.


Where's the other one?
z

[Larry Dighera]

On 13 Dec 2004 14:49:38 -0800, wrote in
. com>::

>Okay, that really concerns me.
>
>How bad is flying out of Phoenix (or Vegas) in a small plane?

I've never had a problem, but I don't fly when convective turbulence
is predicted. It's more common in the summer. You can get a 7-day
forecast here: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/forecasts.php#zone

>The talk of unstable air makes it sound extremely dangerous.

Unstable air is humid air. It's what causes thunderstorms. It's
easily predictable, so there is only potential danger if the pilot
fails to factor weather briefing information into his decisions.
Those sort of pilots usually don't last to long. :-)

It's usually more about comfort and speed. Flights in the morning and
evening are usually much less affected.

[Blanche]

I get 234 nm, 2:15 time with the route of LAS-PRC-PHS (McCarran to
Prescott to Phoenix) at 9500 alt. Speed about 112 kts.

Doncha just love software!

YMMV

[Blanche]

zatatime > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:12:04 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:
>
>>"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>>>
>>> My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.
>>
>>Wrong Las Vegas. The one in Nevada is 222 miles from Poenix. Takes a
>bit under 2
>>hours.

>Where's the other one?

Las Vegas, NM. It's a convenient navigation point for trips from
Denver south (e.g. ABQ, Sante Fe-long route, etc).

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zatatime wrote :

>Where's the other one?

Las Vegas, New Mexico (in the northern part of the state).
Definitely not as much fun as the one in Nevada.

KLVS - http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLVS
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Ben Jackson]

In article om>,
> wrote:
>Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
>FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane [...]
>
>I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
>that take with a Cessna single engine?

FS2004 has all the aircraft performance information you need as well as
a flight planner.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[zatatime]

On 13 Dec 2004 16:36:35 -0700, Blanche >
wrote:

>>Where's the other one?
>
>Las Vegas, NM. It's a convenient navigation point for trips from
>Denver south (e.g. ABQ, Sante Fe-long route, etc).
>
Thanks! I lived out there for a year and didn't know.

Learn something new everyday!

z

[[email protected]]

Ben Jackson wrote:
> In article om>,
> > wrote:
> >Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
> >FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane [...]
> >
> >I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long
will
> >that take with a Cessna single engine?
>
> FS2004 has all the aircraft performance information you need as well
as
> a flight planner.
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/

Thanks, but I'm at the beginning stages of the simulator. Straight and
level flight.

Something to look forward to though.

[Morgans]

"zatatime" > wrote
> >
> >Las Vegas, NM. It's a convenient navigation point for trips from
> >Denver south (e.g. ABQ, Sante Fe-long route, etc).
> >
> Thanks! I lived out there for a year and didn't know.
>
> Learn something new everyday!
>
> z

Well, some of us know so much already, it's hard to learn something new
*every* day. <Vbg>
--
Jim in NC

[Frankster]

>>Wrong Las Vegas.
> Where's the other one?
> z

Las Vegas NM.

I had a plane full of passengers (family friends) in a C-206 once on the way
to Las Vegas NV for a three day vacation. We stopped in LV NM for fuel.
When I was still busy with the airplane, before I came into the FBO, my
passengers thought it would be funny to walk into the flight office asking
where are the slot machines and announcing that their pilot (out there!)
told them that this was LV NV. I didn't think it was all that funny!

-Frank

[zatatime]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:45:13 -0700, "Frankster"
> wrote:

>I didn't think it was all that funny!


Sorry, but I thought that was hysterical!

z

[Andrew Sarangan]

Straight line distance from Phoenix to Las Vegas is 225 nautical miles. A
Cessna 172 can cruise at about 115 knots. Based on today's winds, it will
take you 2 hours and 20 minutes, not counting time to climb and traffic
delays. I think 2:30 would be a realistic estimate. Rental prices vary. In
our club, the 172 goes for $70/hr tach time. That is about $175 each way,
or round it up to $400 for a return trip.


wrote in news:1102966471.016614.23830
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> I really don't know anything about flying, and at times am terrified on
> a commercial airliner (something about turbulence...)
>
> Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
> FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane. I know this isn't
> realistic, but I will have a better understanding on how everything
> works without the hairpulling.
>
> I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
> that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
> plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?
>
> Thanks.
>

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Do you pay for the time you have the plane? For example, if I go to
Vegas for the weekend, am I charged for having the plane, in addition
to the flight time?

Just curious.

[Casey Wilson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Do you pay for the time you have the plane? For example, if I go to
> Vegas for the weekend, am I charged for having the plane, in addition
> to the flight time?
>
> Just curious.

I can't speak for Andrew's organization, but the one I'm in has a policy (in
writing, as it should be) that the minimum rental is one hour per day for
weekdays and two per day for weekends. Taking the airplane for Tues through
Fri would cost a minimum of four hours -- Thurs through Sunday would cost
you six hours. In other words, if you only put five hours on the meter
between Thursday and Sunday, you would have to pay for at least six. If
during the Tues/Fri, on the other hand, you did five hours, you'd pay for
the five hours.

[Andrew Sarangan]

The minimum times at our club is 1hr/day for weekdays and 1.5hr/day for
weekends. However, exceptions are often granted if you make a request. In
the winter month when the aircraft are not flown very often it is easy to
get such an excemption.


"Casey Wilson" > wrote in
news:4D2wd.4448$N%6.1107@trnddc05:

>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Do you pay for the time you have the plane? For example, if I go to
>> Vegas for the weekend, am I charged for having the plane, in addition
>> to the flight time?
>>
>> Just curious.
>
> I can't speak for Andrew's organization, but the one I'm in has a
> policy (in writing, as it should be) that the minimum rental is one
> hour per day for weekdays and two per day for weekends. Taking the
> airplane for Tues through Fri would cost a minimum of four hours --
> Thurs through Sunday would cost you six hours. In other words, if you
> only put five hours on the meter between Thursday and Sunday, you
> would have to pay for at least six. If during the Tues/Fri, on the
> other hand, you did five hours, you'd pay for the five hours.
>
>
>
>

[Morgans]

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote

> Straight line distance from Phoenix to Las Vegas is 225 nautical miles. A
> Cessna 172 can cruise at about 115 knots. Based on today's winds, it will
> take you 2 hours and 20 minutes, not counting time to climb and traffic
> delays. I think 2:30 would be a realistic estimate. Rental prices vary. In
> our club, the 172 goes for $70/hr tach time. That is about $175 each way,
> or round it up to $400 for a return trip.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As I read the post, it was from the point of view as a non-pilot, wanting to
get into flying for transportation. In that case, the price of the trip is
nothing.

The price would have to include (and this will not be the complete list,
I'm sure) flight training, the medical, flight rentals, (or purchase of the
plane) to gain experience to be able to do the flight, insurance, pilot
supplies (headsets, ect) and much more. Also, take the fact that many
people that take up flying get addicted, and eat many very expensive
hamburgers, and the prices keep adding up. See my point?

On the other hand, he might want to know how much it would cost to have
someone fly him there, for hire. :-))
--
Jim in NC