Moving to Canada -- Converting License

[Jay Somerset]

Does anyone have a reference to the requirements to obtain a Canadian pilot
license if one already holds a US one? I have checked the COPA web page,
but can't seem to find anything on this topic.

Thanks.

[[email protected]]

Jay Somerset wrote:
> Does anyone have a reference to the requirements to obtain a Canadian
pilot
> license if one already holds a US one? I have checked the COPA web
page,
> but can't seem to find anything on this topic.
>
> Thanks.
Jay
I had occasion to get a Canada license about 10 years ago. I had to do
the written, the physical, and the flight check. The fact that I had my
current logbook also helped and in fact, was necessary. Before you
apply for the license, get as many different aircraft as you can logged
within the preceeding year. No idea if that will mean anything to you
but I am a pro pilot and don't like restrictions on the light aircraft!
Be warned, the written isn't the piece of cake it is in the USA and
you'll have to do some study. I'd suggest some serious ground school
prior to taking it. The physical seems to be more comprehensive as
well. The flying isn't really all that much different nor are the
requirements.
Now I'll also say that I had in excess of 15,000 hours when I went for
it?
I'm sure others will answer more in depth and be more helpful.
FlyinRock

[Fred G. Black]

Jay Somerset wrote:
> Does anyone have a reference to the requirements to obtain a Canadian pilot
> license if one already holds a US one? I have checked the COPA web page,
> but can't seem to find anything on this topic.
>
> Thanks.

Details of requirements etc. are in:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm

In summary, you can get a "validation" of your US license (which
requires that the US license remain valid) through a paperwork exercise
or you can do a medical, flight and written test and receive a
stand-alone Canadian license.

One thing to note is that there are a couple of privileges of the US
Private license that require additional ratings up here - Night and VFR
over the top.

Here are a few more useful on-line resources.

AIP Canada. This is roughly analogous to the FAA AIM:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/Affairs/AIP/pdf.htm

Transport Canada's Ontario Region Office has a page on visiting pilots
and foreign license holders at:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/OntarioRegion/civilaviation/ga/VisitP.htm

COPA and AOPA have a guide to cross border operations including the
procedural differences between Canada and the US. It's in the members
only area of both organizations:
http://www.copanational.org/members/AOPACOPA/My%20Documents/canada/index.html
http://www.copanational.org/members/COPAGuides/AOPA%20COPA%20Cross%20Border%20Operations%20Manual .pdf
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/travel/canada/
AOPA also has some additional information at
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/travel/canada/index2.html

An Ottawa-area pilot put together an "comparison" of Canadian vs US
procedures. This one's from the Canadian point of view but might also
be of use.
http://www.rfc.ca/NewSite/Information/Canadian-AmericanProceduresComparison_2004.pdf

Hope this helps.

[Jay Somerset]

Many thanks. The references you cite below are exactly what was looking
for.


On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:16:32 -0500, "Fred G. Black" >
wrote:

> Jay Somerset wrote:
> > Does anyone have a reference to the requirements to obtain a Canadian pilot
> > license if one already holds a US one? I have checked the COPA web page,
> > but can't seem to find anything on this topic.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Details of requirements etc. are in:
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm
>
> In summary, you can get a "validation" of your US license (which
> requires that the US license remain valid) through a paperwork exercise
> or you can do a medical, flight and written test and receive a
> stand-alone Canadian license.
>
> One thing to note is that there are a couple of privileges of the US
> Private license that require additional ratings up here - Night and VFR
> over the top.
>
> Here are a few more useful on-line resources.
>
> AIP Canada. This is roughly analogous to the FAA AIM:
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/Affairs/AIP/pdf.htm
>
> Transport Canada's Ontario Region Office has a page on visiting pilots
> and foreign license holders at:
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/OntarioRegion/civilaviation/ga/VisitP.htm
>
> COPA and AOPA have a guide to cross border operations including the
> procedural differences between Canada and the US. It's in the members
> only area of both organizations:
> http://www.copanational.org/members/AOPACOPA/My%20Documents/canada/index.html
> http://www.copanational.org/members/COPAGuides/AOPA%20COPA%20Cross%20Border%20Operations%20Manual .pdf
> http://www.aopa.org/members/files/travel/canada/
> AOPA also has some additional information at
> http://www.aopa.org/members/files/travel/canada/index2.html
>
> An Ottawa-area pilot put together an "comparison" of Canadian vs US
> procedures. This one's from the Canadian point of view but might also
> be of use.
> http://www.rfc.ca/NewSite/Information/Canadian-AmericanProceduresComparison_2004.pdf
>
> Hope this helps.

[john smith]

You aren't one of those disgruntled Democrats that's still upset that
Bush won the election, are you? :-))

[Robert M. Gary]

john smith wrote:
> You aren't one of those disgruntled Democrats that's still upset that

> Bush won the election, are you? :-))


Once he sees how much he'll be paying in taxes, he won't be able to
afford to fly. :)

[Andrew Sarangan]

It is not that bad in Canada. Check this to find out what Canadians are
paying in taxes. http://www.ey.com/global/Content.nsf/Canada/Tax_-
_Calculators_-_2003_Personal_Tax. It is not that much higher than the US,
plus medical is included in Canada.



"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1104809752.366610.31390
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>
> john smith wrote:
>> You aren't one of those disgruntled Democrats that's still upset that
>
>> Bush won the election, are you? :-))
>
>
> Once he sees how much he'll be paying in taxes, he won't be able to
> afford to fly. :)
>
>

[tony roberts]

Hi Jay
I had quite a detailed response for you and my computer crashed - so
here is the short version.

You cannot get the answers to the Canadian Written - you HAVE to know
your material.
But - there is a great site that offers free exams, based on the
transport canada ones. If you pass these, you will probably pass the
real one. It is totally free - here it is:

http://www.aerotraining.com/

and click on "test yourself"

HTH

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE


In article >,
Jay Somerset > wrote:

> Does anyone have a reference to the requirements to obtain a Canadian pilot
> license if one already holds a US one? I have checked the COPA web page,
> but can't seem to find anything on this topic.
>
> Thanks.

[Robert M. Gary]

I have a friend who's now lived in 6 countries. He said Canada had some
of the higher taxes (not as bad as France though). We're both 6 figure
U.S. income earners so marginal tax rates aren't kind. He said that he
was taxed at 65% on his moving expenses (company paid move) because the
gov't considered it "bonus" (anything non-cash is apparently taxed very
heavily). He also said that since Canada pays the medical expenses, it
must also control the costs. As a result Dr's end up getting paid a
state rate. So the super Dr's end up coming to the U.S. for millions
(Neurosurgeons, etc) while the marginal Dr's stay in Canada. He also
said that some surgeries have such a long waiting list that weathy
Canadians simply pay cash for their surgery in the U.S.

I only pay $180/month for a good PPO for my family of 4. I have a
friend that had a kidney transplant on this PPO, said it cost him less
than $100 out of pocket ($400,000 total costs)

[Robert M. Gary]

I noticed you have the VFR OTT rating. I've heard its more difficult to
get an instrument rating in Canada. What is really different? I've
flown IFR in Canada under my U.S. ticket and just found that the
airline guys get priority. You sit there for your release as dozens of
airliners get released in front of you.

-Robert

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Robert M. Gary" > said:
>state rate. So the super Dr's end up coming to the U.S. for millions
>(Neurosurgeons, etc) while the marginal Dr's stay in Canada. He also
>said that some surgeries have such a long waiting list that weathy
>Canadians simply pay cash for their surgery in the U.S.

Both of those are overgeneralizations. The doctor who worked on my dad's
heart attack in Toronto has been featured on the PBS program "Nova"
because of his innovations in heart surgery.

Whereas I, as a victim of US health care, have been turned away from
treatments prescribed by my doctor because the insurance companies won't
pay. The local pain clinic closed down because the insurance companies
had denied coverage so often. Oh, and I made an appointment for a
neurologist in October. It took some work because none of the
neurologists in a 75 mile radius are taking new patients, but my doctor
knows one and phoned her up to beg her to take me. Guess when I get to
see her? March 29th. I could move back to Canada, get back on OHIP, and
see my dad's neurologist in that length of time.

Which country is it that supposedly has health care rationing again?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to
do the unnecessary. -- Richard Harkness, _The New York Times_, 1960

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Robert M. Gary" > said:
>get an instrument rating in Canada. What is really different? I've
>flown IFR in Canada under my U.S. ticket and just found that the
>airline guys get priority. You sit there for your release as dozens of
>airliners get released in front of you.

I've never had that happen in Ottawa, but at London Ontario I sat for
15-20 minutes in line at a runway intersection while two Dash 8s came in
and a King Air departed from the end of the runway. But I think in that
case it was because the first guy in line at the intersection was a very
slow sport aircraft and the controller was trying to open up a big gap in
the traffic for him. If I'd known, I would have claimed that I was
heavily loaded and needed the full length.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
One could teach a child to Google but one _still_ should
make them think.
-- Maarten Wiltink

[Jay Somerset]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:28:43 GMT, tony roberts > wrote:

> Hi Jay
> I had quite a detailed response for you and my computer crashed - so
> here is the short version.
>
> You cannot get the answers to the Canadian Written - you HAVE to know
> your material.
> But - there is a great site that offers free exams, based on the
> transport canada ones. If you pass these, you will probably pass the
> real one. It is totally free - here it is:
>
> http://www.aerotraining.com/
>
> and click on "test yourself"
>
> HTH
>
> Tony


Thanks.

[Andrew Sarangan]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1104862994.803990.85130
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> He also said that since Canada pays the medical expenses, it
> must also control the costs. As a result Dr's end up getting paid a
> state rate. So the super Dr's end up coming to the U.S. for millions
> (Neurosurgeons, etc) while the marginal Dr's stay in Canada.

And you don't think medical rates in the US is set by the insurance
companies?

[Rob Montgomery]

The difference is that, in Canada, there's only one government playing the
medical game (per province) whereas in the U.S., a doctor doesn't have to
honor the "low ball" insurance.

-Rob

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
1...
>
>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1104862994.803990.85130
> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> He also said that since Canada pays the medical expenses, it
>> must also control the costs. As a result Dr's end up getting paid a
>> state rate. So the super Dr's end up coming to the U.S. for millions
>> (Neurosurgeons, etc) while the marginal Dr's stay in Canada.
>
> And you don't think medical rates in the US is set by the insurance
> companies?
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Robert M. Gary]

Companies plural, yes. In Canada gov't singular.

[Robert M. Gary]

That's true. My Dr only takes certain HMOs. My wife's Dr doesn't take
HMOs at all, just PPOs. They do get to pick and choose. How much
business do you want, what you are willing to do it for? Just like a
CFI. If I wanted to fly as a CFI 8 hours a day, I could easily do it at
say $30/hr. By charging $50/hr I reduce the demand to a managable
level.

-Robert

[Matt Barrow]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...

> Which country is it that supposedly has health care rationing again?

And the one lady I knew who moved to Canada to get free medical care for her
daughter, lost her daughter while awaiting treatment.

How about you pay your own bills and learn the definition of "rationing".
--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Chris Colohan]

"Rob Montgomery" > writes:
> The difference is that, in Canada, there's only one government playing the
> medical game (per province) whereas in the U.S., a doctor doesn't have to
> honor the "low ball" insurance.

The plus side: since doctors in Canada have to deal with only one
insurer, there is _significantly_ less administrative overhead
involved in treating patients. Many doctors who move to Canada do so
because they are tired of paperwork and would much rather spend more
time treating patients. Some doctors are more than willing to trade a
slightly lower salary for this quality of life increase.

Chris
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Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

[Matt Barrow]

"Chris Colohan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Rob Montgomery" > writes:
> > The difference is that, in Canada, there's only one government playing
the
> > medical game (per province) whereas in the U.S., a doctor doesn't have
to
> > honor the "low ball" insurance.
>
> The plus side: since doctors in Canada have to deal with only one
> insurer, there is _significantly_ less administrative overhead
> involved in treating patients.

The amount of paperwork says much the same regardless of the number of
providers. Doctors have to compile the same records and it makes not a whit
who the payor is.

> Many doctors who move to Canada do so
> because they are tired of paperwork and would much rather spend more
> time treating patients.

Unless the doctors are also performing office functions, that statement is
bogus. As mentioned, they have the same amount of documentation to create in
any case, unless they don't document their work. That's highly
unprofessional.

> Some doctors are more than willing to trade a
> slightly lower salary for this quality of life increase.

In that case all they have to do is not accept ANY insurance carriers and
they can do that right here, right now. AAMOF, some already DO just that.

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Chris Colohan]

"Matt Barrow" > writes:
> "Chris Colohan" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > "Rob Montgomery" > writes:
> > > The difference is that, in Canada, there's only one government playing
> the
> > > medical game (per province) whereas in the U.S., a doctor doesn't have
> to
> > > honor the "low ball" insurance.
> >
> > The plus side: since doctors in Canada have to deal with only one
> > insurer, there is _significantly_ less administrative overhead
> > involved in treating patients.
>
> The amount of paperwork says much the same regardless of the number of
> providers. Doctors have to compile the same records and it makes not a whit
> who the payor is.

The data seems to indicate otherwise. According to a study published
in the New England Journal of Medicine:

"In the United States, administrative tasks consumed 13.5 percent
of physicians' time [...] Canadian physicians devoted 8.4 percent
of their professional time to practice management and
administration" [1]

Chris

[1] Costs of Health Care Administration in the United States and
Canada. Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H., Terry Campbell, M.H.A., and
David U. Himmelstein, M.D. Volume 349:768-775, August 21 2003,
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/349/8/768
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Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

[Andrew Sarangan]

Buying insurance does not mean you are paying your own way. It is a way to
average the expenses among people. Many who don't use the medical system
are subsidizing others who use the system extensively.


"Matt Barrow" > wrote in news:ZWUCd.15$IT5.1922
@news.uswest.net:

> daughter, lost her daughter while awaiting treatment.
>
> How about you pay your own bills and learn the definition of "rationing".