Frost on wings

[C J Campbell]

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Forsooth, I dislike it.

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--
Christopher J. Campbell
World Famous Flight Instructor
Port Orchard, WA


Ne Obliviscaris

[G.R. Patterson III]

C J Campbell wrote:
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> Forsooth, I dislike it.
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Methinks the gentleman doth protest too little.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[C J Campbell]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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> C J Campbell wrote:
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> > Forsooth, I dislike it.
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> Methinks the gentleman doth protest too little.
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Nay, for the frost did delay my flight but little, and thus there being a
little frost there should be but a little rant. For why should I weary the
brain with such winds as will but frost the reader with grim despair?
'Twould be nobler to have kept silent, but lacking nobility, to rant only so
much as was fair. To rant, or not to rant? Aye, not to rant would be silence
indeed, wherefore to rant meaneth at least that one liveth. But to rant o'er
much would be to invite flames. One may's well rant against the raging sea
or the blowing wind, but the sea doth continue to rage and the wind doth
continue to blow nonetheless. What shall more ranting do, then? Therefore I
protest, and keep silence after, and let the winds blow where they may.

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:39:24 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

><begin rant>
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>Forsooth, I dislike it.
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So doth NTSB; even when it is slight and polished.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Robert M. Gary]

C J Campbell wrote:
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> Forsooth, I dislike it.
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Not a big deal. I just spray warm ground water (aka water from the
hose) on the stuff and it comes right off. Never had to delay a flight
because of it. It's just like a warm in flight rain.

-Robert

[Blueskies]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message ...
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> "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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>>
>> C J Campbell wrote:
>> >
>> > <begin rant>
>> >
>> > Forsooth, I dislike it.
>> >
>> > <end rant>
>>
>> Methinks the gentleman doth protest too little.
>>
>
> Nay, for the frost did delay my flight but little, and thus there being a
> little frost there should be but a little rant. For why should I weary the
> brain with such winds as will but frost the reader with grim despair?
> 'Twould be nobler to have kept silent, but lacking nobility, to rant only so
> much as was fair. To rant, or not to rant? Aye, not to rant would be silence
> indeed, wherefore to rant meaneth at least that one liveth. But to rant o'er
> much would be to invite flames. One may's well rant against the raging sea
> or the blowing wind, but the sea doth continue to rage and the wind doth
> continue to blow nonetheless. What shall more ranting do, then? Therefore I
> protest, and keep silence after, and let the winds blow where they may.
>
>
Well done!

Still got frost tho'.

Still got wings.

Still got frost on wings....

[John Harlow]

C J Campbell wrote:
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> Forsooth, I dislike it.
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> <end rant>

Be glad it wasn't on your Longfellow.

[Mike Rhodes]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:39:24 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

><begin rant>
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>Forsooth, I dislike it.
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I thought 'forsooth' meant 'hurry', but that isn't how you used it.
So I looked it up in the dictionary, which says it means "in truth;
indeed. (Later with irony)." I haven't read old Shakespeare in over
25 years, avoiding it like the plague. English isn't my subject, and
Shakespeare isn't the least bit entertaining; unless one enjoys word
play, I suppose.

But your use of the word 'forsooth' has apparent significant meaning
to you; beyond your affinity for Shakespeare. It is applicable to
your dislike of frost, for it is forsoothly ironical that you chose to
live in the northern part of the U.S., since it is closer to your
actual home of Canada. Again I suppose.

You have a constant and unexplained grouchiness in your posts I find
difficult to take. (I'm grouchy,too; though with explanation. And
I'm glad if you can't put up with it.) Having seen this grouchiness
revealed in other news groups, I'm convinced it is because you are a
Canadian immigrant, who is out of place; though you think this should
be your place. Maybe your actually British? Or Aussie? No, the
'frost' reference points to Canada. Return there.

The apparent nationalism you feel to the Shakespearian commonwealth
betrays the nationalism you would take away from those who refused its
identity. This is impossible to resolve morally; even as you hide in
a position you think impossible to uncover. But the more you want to
reveal the truth then the more your life becomes part of a lie. To
love yourself you must hate your neighbor.

In this news group, you have defended immigration; angrily,
repeatedly, without qualification. So I'm convinced, as you can see,
that you are one. Therefore by definition you are not an American,
since you do not reside in your home. Uncontrolled immigration is an
act of war against a nation. The sanest consideration for all nations
is to fight it, regardless of the extent it has occurred in the past.
So I fight that war.

Melt your own frost, build your own glory; thief. We were not created
to carry the burden of all of you, not even one of you. Even you.

The Statue of Liberty in Truth now says, "Immigrants! Forsooth, I
dislike them."

(Supposition ends)

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[C J Campbell]

"Mike Rhodes" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:39:24 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> > wrote:
>
> Melt your own frost, build your own glory; thief. We were not created
> to carry the burden of all of you, not even one of you. Even you.
>
> The Statue of Liberty in Truth now says, "Immigrants! Forsooth, I
> dislike them."
>
> (Supposition ends)
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> <end reply rant>

LOL. Great post. In fact, I was born in Boise, Idaho and, except when in the
military, have always lived in the United States, though we frequently
travel abroad.

The Puget Sound area is actually relatively free of frost for most of the
year. We have very few days where frost appears. Many people around here
successfully grow palm trees, albeit we obviously prefer our native firs and
cedars.

[Mike Rhodes]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:02:12 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

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>"Mike Rhodes" > wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:39:24 -0800, "C J Campbell"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Melt your own frost, build your own glory; thief. We were not created
>> to carry the burden of all of you, not even one of you. Even you.
>>
>> The Statue of Liberty in Truth now says, "Immigrants! Forsooth, I
>> dislike them."
>>
>> (Supposition ends)
>>
>> <end reply rant>
>
>LOL. Great post. In fact, I was born in Boise, Idaho and, except when in the
>military, have always lived in the United States, though we frequently
>travel abroad.
>
>The Puget Sound area is actually relatively free of frost for most of the
>year. We have very few days where frost appears. Many people around here
>successfully grow palm trees, albeit we obviously prefer our native firs and
>cedars.
>

Apologies. After reading your reply, I'm having difficulty calling it
a 'great post'; though I do take this seriously. There is some eating
of words in a couple of assumptions; along with the thought of writing
something like that with few actual facts, and towards a standard in a
news group I do enjoy. :(

Though Shakespeare is not a favorite, I did enjoy your follow-up.

I live where palm trees grow quite easily, among other things. It's
at a different border than the one near you; its a different region
entirely. The weather's warmer than Puget Sound, but I don't think
you would enjoy it. We get along by political necessity, and that is
not a comfortable feeling. I really don't want those circumstances to
grow. But at least it's temporary, in my case.
--
Mike

[C J Campbell]

"Mike Rhodes" > wrote in message
...
>
> Apologies. After reading your reply, I'm having difficulty calling it
> a 'great post'; though I do take this seriously. There is some eating
> of words in a couple of assumptions; along with the thought of writing
> something like that with few actual facts, and towards a standard in a
> news group I do enjoy. :(
>
> Though Shakespeare is not a favorite, I did enjoy your follow-up.
>
> I live where palm trees grow quite easily, among other things. It's
> at a different border than the one near you; its a different region
> entirely. The weather's warmer than Puget Sound, but I don't think
> you would enjoy it. We get along by political necessity, and that is
> not a comfortable feeling. I really don't want those circumstances to
> grow. But at least it's temporary, in my case.

Some people hear a person say something that they disagree with, and they
make all kinds of assumptions about him: where he lives, his background,
what he likes and dislikes. People do that with me all the time; sometimes I
think the only exercise they get is jumping to conclusions. I have been
variously called a communist, a fascist, a right wing Christian
fundamentalist, uneducated, someone who has never traveled outside the US, a
racial bigot and a homophobe. I am none of those things. When people make
those kinds of conclusions I think it says a lot more about them than it
does about me.

I have been all over the world. We lived in the Philippines for two years
while I was in the Air Force. Like everything else you may have thought you
knew about me, you have no idea what kind of weather I like or not like.

But I still don't like frost on my wings.

[Mike Rhodes]

(Apologies to the group for being so off-topic. This post is not a
brief, casual comment. I won't make it a habit.)

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:27:38 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

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>Some people hear a person say something that they disagree with, and they
>make all kinds of assumptions about him: where he lives, his background,
>what he likes and dislikes. People do that with me all the time; sometimes I
>think the only exercise they get is jumping to conclusions. I have been
>variously called a communist, a fascist, a right wing Christian
>fundamentalist, uneducated, someone who has never traveled outside the US, a
>racial bigot and a homophobe.

I will not except those descriptions; at least, as they are
prejudicially defined. Too often they are used as curse words to
intimidate, to abuse the conscience of a people having conscience.
They have power because there is some history of justification for
there use, or seems to be. It is simple name-calling, for the
definition from the dictionary is _never_ discussed.

But those who batter others with them are either thankful for the
connotations, or they are shallow (not thinking straight). For the
intent is not strictly to correct, but to manipulate for personal
convenience. Having avoided the dictionary, some are arrogant enough
to think to create what they believe should be truth, as opposed to
what is. This by abusing the conscience with a lie, and it is one
which is overt. So they often know what they are doing. Such are not
nice people.

The word 'racism' is itself hateful word, a lie of connotations. And
'equality' is near to a farce; fundamentally so. The proof comes when
theft is made in order to sustain the pretense. (I am very angry. It
is justified.)

> I am none of those things.

I didn't think you were those things.

>When people make
>those kinds of conclusions I think it says a lot more about them than it
>does about me.

When it comes to name-calling which is politically motivated, I
believe it's best to aswer it, rather than letting them just 'think.'
Or maybe you prefer the connotations? Instead of a persuance of the
truth? The two are not 'equal'. Though allowing them to appear equal
isn't the same as a legal enforcement of such. Or is it?

Unfortunately, it is often a useless exercise to waste words on those
content to believe a lie. So we may have little choice but to "let
them think." This may become a habit. A way to break that habit and
to force genuine thought (not prejudicial), is to start some form of
war.

>
>I have been all over the world. We lived in the Philippines for two years
>while I was in the Air Force. Like everything else you may have thought you
>knew about me, you have no idea what kind of weather I like or not like.

A military life has a skewed image of the world. It remains isolated
from that people it is in. Politics and social living are not
substantially shared. The notion of living in a neighborhood which is
like yourself is diminished. You are not one of many, but one
protecting many. That is what becomes important, and it is not good.

The justification for your presence can detrimentally affect the ego
(not yours alone). It is not glorious 'American pride,' but an
infatuation with an idea. You think, without substantial proof, (Viet
Nam & Korea), you are there to 'save the world,' and not to invade it
(initially) for personal profit. But what good are they to you or me,
except for ego? Out-sourcing slavery? We still need slaves, but only
if they're foreign? What you have 'saved' has caused us trouble.

I will get angry here, for I have no respect for the military that
saves the world, while compromising mine in that egotistical
non-effort. Why should I care whether the military is in the
Phillipines? Especially if you invite your hosts into my country, as
an exchange of gifts for your military presence in their country; as
if it were my presence, as if I wanted it, or should want it.

Korea would be better off if we never touched it; or even if we lost
it like Viet Nam. But I think Israel, indirectly, is the major force
for over-seas deployment, and world-saving. It has meshed with our
'Judeo-Christian' arguments, even motivated conspiracies (and oil is
nearby), and cost us perspective. "Judeo-Christian" is not Christian,
nor is world-saving. We were not created to be one people, obviously.

And even if not a Christian, you have no right to enforce world-saving
on me. Whether ordered by the 'Commander-in-Chief', or even if voted
on (which it never is), it is still wrong.

Protect my home, _MY_ home. Otherwise, the military, to it's 'Chief',
is a worthless source of trouble. The offending heart is arrogant,
taking what is not his, and sacrificing what is not his. And
seriously worrying some (terrorists) who naturally prefer not to be
married into a such mixed unions. And that IS the apparent purpose of
the U.S. military. Take your guns from the wedding ceremonies!
Despite the Civil War they do not belong there! You are not God, you
are not right.

Though God may not be specifically for the terrorists, He just might
agree on some point in their thinking.

>
>But I still don't like frost on my wings.
>

As yet I haven't even had the opportunity to clean it off my wings.
But I can see it coming. I won't like it either.
--
Mike

[Jon Kraus]

It has been in the 60's here in Indiana... Hence no frost!! :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

C J Campbell wrote:

> "Mike Rhodes" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Apologies. After reading your reply, I'm having difficulty calling it
>>a 'great post'; though I do take this seriously. There is some eating
>>of words in a couple of assumptions; along with the thought of writing
>>something like that with few actual facts, and towards a standard in a
>>news group I do enjoy. :(
>>
>>Though Shakespeare is not a favorite, I did enjoy your follow-up.
>>
>>I live where palm trees grow quite easily, among other things. It's
>>at a different border than the one near you; its a different region
>>entirely. The weather's warmer than Puget Sound, but I don't think
>>you would enjoy it. We get along by political necessity, and that is
>>not a comfortable feeling. I really don't want those circumstances to
>>grow. But at least it's temporary, in my case.
>
>
> Some people hear a person say something that they disagree with, and they
> make all kinds of assumptions about him: where he lives, his background,
> what he likes and dislikes. People do that with me all the time; sometimes I
> think the only exercise they get is jumping to conclusions. I have been
> variously called a communist, a fascist, a right wing Christian
> fundamentalist, uneducated, someone who has never traveled outside the US, a
> racial bigot and a homophobe. I am none of those things. When people make
> those kinds of conclusions I think it says a lot more about them than it
> does about me.
>
> I have been all over the world. We lived in the Philippines for two years
> while I was in the Air Force. Like everything else you may have thought you
> knew about me, you have no idea what kind of weather I like or not like.
>
> But I still don't like frost on my wings.
>
>

[Sam O'Nella]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> It has been in the 60's here in Indiana... Hence no frost!! :-)

There hasn't been Frost in almost 41 years.

[Jon Kraus]

You speak of David and I of Jack... :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Sam O'Nella wrote:

> Jon Kraus wrote:
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>>It has been in the 60's here in Indiana... Hence no frost!! :-)
>
>
> There hasn't been Frost in almost 41 years.
>
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