Worst weather, ever...

[Jay Honeck]

Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.

Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the pattern --
a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with freezing
fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
such an extended period.

Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in Missouri
for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters seem
to have gone from terrible to laughable.

And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather this
cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.

Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers... And
now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are all
closed.

One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!

Anyone else got the winter blues?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in <t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52>::

>Anyone else got the winter blues?

Santa Barbara coast received 7" of precipitation in two days. That is
a record last exceeded in 1927. In the last two weeks it has rained
almost daily, and at times the wind exceeded 50 knots. It finally
looks like better weather is in the forecast.

[Chuck Gerlach]

North Central Illinois is no better. Blizzards, low ceilings, low
visibility, and freezing rain. It's been an interesting couple of weeks
since Christmas. The forecast is for several more days of rain and overcast
with temps in the 30's. Ugh! If I could have predicted this I would be
down in Punta Gorda installing my father's new computer. Instead I'm
sitting here hoping the forecasts are wrong. Somebody in some corner of the
country must be having good weather.

Chuck Gerlach

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote in <t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52>::
>
>>Anyone else got the winter blues?
>
> Santa Barbara coast received 7" of precipitation in two days. That is
> a record last exceeded in 1927. In the last two weeks it has rained
> almost daily, and at times the wind exceeded 50 knots. It finally
> looks like better weather is in the forecast.

[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck ) wrote:

> Anyone else got the winter blues?

In Central NY State we haven't seen the sun in about six weeks. Talk
about the blues...

E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7

:)

--
Peter

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:26:30 GMT, "Chuck Gerlach" >
wrote in et>::

>Punta Gorda

It looks like they've been having record rainfall too:
http://www.wunderground.com/NORMS/DisplayNORMS.asp?AirportCode=KFMY&SafeCityName=Punta_Gorda&StateCode=FL&Units=none&IATA=FMY

[Jay Honeck]

> E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>
> :)

Is this some sort of code? Or a pattern to be completed? (The next
sequence should be "F F8 F F8 B B8 B B8", IMHO...)

Inquiring minds...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> North Central Illinois is no better. Blizzards, low ceilings, low
> visibility, and freezing rain. It's been an interesting couple of weeks
> since Christmas. The forecast is for several more days of rain and
> overcast with temps in the 30's. Ugh!

That's our forecast too -- followed by temperatures plummeting to well below
zero.

Right now, though, cold sounds pretty good. I'll happily take one of those
big ol' Canadian high pressure systems, one of those real hum-dingers,
with -20 degree temps but light winds and crystal clear blue skies.

Heck, I've got a good heater, and anything beats freezing fog and rain!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Moore]

"Jay Honeck" wrote
>
> Anyone else got the winter blues?

Yep! Here in the Tampabay area, it's been 75-80 degrees
every day this year. Not a single drop of precipitation
so far....kinda boring. Haven't worn long pants yet this
year. See you in April, Jay. :-)

Bob Moore

[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck ) wrote:

> > E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
> >
> > :)
>
> Is this some sort of code? Or a pattern to be completed? (The next
> sequence should be "F F8 F F8 B B8 B B8", IMHO...)
>
> Inquiring minds...

Very basic blues guitar chord progression.

--
Peter

[Jay Honeck]

> STE was 2000 overcast

2000 overcast! Man, I'd KILL to see anything that good.

Well, the ceiling may actually have risen above that for a time -- during
the ice storm...

:-(

I'll bet the flying's been good up north of this stationary front...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Trent Moorehead]

"Chuck Gerlach" > wrote in message
ink.net...

> Somebody in some corner of the
> country must be having good weather.

Well, since you're wondering, we're have had great weather for the past 2.5
weeks here in central NC. It snowed 2 inches the day after Christmas, so we
got to sled a bit and then the temperature started going up. It reached the
low 80's last week. Kinda weird really. It's been between 60 and 70 for
highs for several days and it is forcast to be this way all this week. I
flew on Sunday and it was absolutely gorgeous.

Now, before you shoot me, the forecast calls for our area to be plunged into
winter next week. Temps won't get out of the 20's apparently for a few days
in a row. It stands to reason, since our average high is around 50 this time
of year. So for every 80, there's a gonna be a 20 sometime soon!

I hope the weather in IA gets better soon. I may be travelling there for
business in the next month.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:45:09 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote in <FLQEd.1038$EG1.650@attbi_s53>::

>> E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>>
>> :)
>
>Is this some sort of code? Or a pattern to be completed? (The next
>sequence should be "F F8 F F8 B B8 B B8", IMHO...)
>
>Inquiring minds...

IINM, they're musical chord changes.

[Jim Burns]

Here in Central Wisconsin, we've had to pick our days, altitudes, and
direction to fly carefully and we've always had to file IFR, but we've been
getting a little flying in. The soup hasn't been too thick lately, so we've
been able to climb up on top and visit the sunshine once in awhile.
Saturday we flew over to Green Bay to a Lancair Factory Demo. (Columbia 350
with full glass panel... all this can be yours for the low low price of
$425,000) STE was 2000 overcast, GRB was 12000 with high cirrus and
sunshine. This weekend it's supposed to be -18F for lows and -2 for highs.
Jim

[Gary Drescher]

It's a beautiful clear day in Boston today. The forecast for Thursday sez
clouds and upper 50s; could be nice for practicing some actual instrument
approaches.

--Gary

[[email protected]]

Jay,

This is one of those winters where we might consider that maybe the
barnstormers were right. The ones up north knew that if they went
south there would be a glut on the market, prices would go through the
floor and everyone would starve. So, come mid-November, they'd line up
a shed, put the airplane up on blocks, drain the oil, rent a cheap
hotel room with a window that faced a brick wall, line up a hooker and
bootlegger and hibernate.
Leave a call for April, Jay.

Warmest regards,
Rick

[Trent Moorehead]

"Trent Moorehead" > wrote in message
...

> It reached the
> low 80's last week.

I'm sorry, it didn't reach the low 80's. It was more like 75 F. Felt like 80
though. I actually started sweating a little walking to my Jeep at
lunchtime.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Jim Burns]

> I'll bet the flying's been good up north of this stationary front...

Yep, it actually has. All of our "outs" or nearest VFR conditions have been
towards the north the past couple days.

Jim

[[email protected]]

Hi Jay,

It can be worse, much worse.
The weather overhere is great for flying.
We have a recordbreaking winter so far, normally something like -5C now
a nice +10C for three weeks with clear skies.
But I'm not flying, I'm waiting for a bracket for two months now.
And that really s*cks.

-Kees
Roosendaal, Netherlands

[Jon Kraus]

Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
last few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)

KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416 1/2SM
-RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT 4SM
-SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA FG,
FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner


Jay Honeck wrote:
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the pattern --
> a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with freezing
> fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
> such an extended period.
>
> Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in Missouri
> for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
> drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
> weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters seem
> to have gone from terrible to laughable.
>
> And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather this
> cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
> manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
> charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
> hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.
>
> Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers... And
> now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are all
> closed.
>
> One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
> about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!
>
> Anyone else got the winter blues?

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the pattern --

See!?! This is what you get for complaining about the weather forcasters
a few weeks ago. You upset the weather gods!

--- Jay



--
__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

[Icebound]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year.


You can blame that cold outbreak down the west coast with the unusual snows
in coastal British Columbia and rains down the west coast through
California. That set up the major front and storm track in a more-or-less
straight line from southern California through Maine. Little weak pulses
are running along that front and keep triggering more precipitation.

And the warm air aloft is creating a huge inversion, trapping the low level
moisture forever. North Platte, 0000Z last evening, had a temperature of
plus 10 Celsius at 5000 feet ASL more or less, and minus 6 at the surface.
And they are what, 2700 feet?? So that's like 15 degrees inversion in 2500
feet?? Serious trap for low-level moisture, the dispersion of which is very
difficult to forecast accurately, until there is a major circulation change.

http://twister.sbs.ohio-state.edu/upperair/skewt/lbf.gif (link
evaporates-updates with time)

I expect Iowa would have been similar.

So now the computers expect the next pulse to be a major low, that will
finally draw the cold air down over the entire interior of the continent and
change the storm track completely. By the weekend, things should be back to
the more-or-less normal condition of mild west coast, pushing mild air
inland over the mountains, cold interior all the way down to Texas and the
Gulf, and the storm track up the east coast.

It remains to be seen whether that will persist for a while.

IMHO.

[Dean Wilkinson]

Jay,

Watch out for those giant polar hurricanes that bring incredibly cold air
down from the upper atmosphere in their eye and freeze you instantly in your
tracks... or don't you believe in Hollywood physics? :)

Dean

http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/airplan/index.htm

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Anyone else got the winter blues?

I've actually been finding a few windows in the weather for local
flights(central AZ), but I'm doing nothing but puttering around and
drying out the airframe between storms.

Don't hold your breath for the good weather. The next wave is just
hitting the mountain states and you'll be seeing it soon. This one is
coming from a very slow moving low that's currently on the NV/UT
border. It took 4 days for it to move from the coast to where it is
now (which is why CA had so many problems). It's sucking up large
amounts of tropical moisture from the Pacific and the Gulf of
California.

The flying weather sucks, but it sure is helping out with the drought
conditions in the western states. The Salt River that flows through
Phoenix is running for the first time in 7 years.
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Jose]

>>E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
> Is this some sort of code?

It's a blues chord progression.

And the next in the sequence is
D D6 D D6 -Z -Z6 -Z -Z6 :)

Jose
--
Money: What you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[RST Engineering]

It started snowing last night after four straight days of rain and has been
coming down about an inch an hour for 12 hours. It isn't supposed to let up
until late this afternoon, but then we are supposed to get a week of
temperatures in the 50s.

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
> pattern -- a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling,
> with freezing fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything
> quite like it for such an extended period.

[Peter R.]

Jose ) wrote:

> >>E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
> > Is this some sort of code?
>
> It's a blues chord progression.
>
> And the next in the sequence is
> D D6 D D6 -Z -Z6 -Z -Z6 :)

Perhaps it was too "specialized" of a joke, but I felt like breaking out
in song during the original post.

--
Peter

[Jon Kraus]

I got the joke!! he he

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Peter R. wrote:
> Jay Honeck ) wrote:
>
>
>>>E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Is this some sort of code? Or a pattern to be completed? (The next
>>sequence should be "F F8 F F8 B B8 B B8", IMHO...)
>>
>>Inquiring minds...
>
>
> Very basic blues guitar chord progression.
>

[Paul kgyy]

> Anyone else got the winter blues?

Winter blues big time. I schedule my annual for January because it's a
good time to have the plane down but I haven't been able to find a half
hour window to fly the airplane to the shop at DuPage. Bad forecasting
hasn't helped - could have gone a couple of times when ceiling was 2500
instead of the forecast 1000 but insufficient time to get out the
airport, preflight, etc. I've got my rating but ice everywhere.

[Rob]

Is it really the "Worst weather, ever" or is this just more "Bogus
Weather Hype"?

:)

-R

[[email protected]]

Rob wrote:
> Is it really the "Worst weather, ever" or is this just more "Bogus
> Weather Hype"?
>
> :)
>
It's all over if Jay posts a picture of himself measuring a snowdrift
with a ruler.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
pattern --
> a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
freezing
> fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
> such an extended period.

It's Global Cooling/Warming.


Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
pattern --
> a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
freezing
> fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
> such an extended period.

Likewise here in Western Colorado. Snow and freezing rain ad nauseum. That
kind of weather is not unique, but it is rare for it to be every damn day
for weeks at a time.

The ski areas should be loving it, but it's not the usual powdery stuff.


Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Matt Barrow]

"Nomen Nescio" ]> wrote in message
...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> From: Peter R. >
>
> >E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>
> Well.......The ceiling's so low.....got my head in the clouds...
> And the run-way's are icy......tax-i-ways ain't been plowed...
> Cockpit door's froze up, too....
> Got them R.A.P blues
>
> Been three weeks without flyin'.......skills are startin' to rust...
> Hoped to go up to-mor-row......but the wea-ther's a "bust"....
> So my plane sits un-used....
> Got them R.A.P blues
>

<Smattering of applause>


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Jack Allison]

Yep, it's been pretty crummy out here as well...though being here in the
Sacramento valley, I don't have to worry about the snow that Jim W.
reported. I've been fortunate in that I haven't had any instrument
lesson scheduled for the last week and a half. For once, good timing.

Freezing fog...that just sounds nasty. We get our share of fog out here
but at least it's of the non-frozen variety. Visibility often sucks bad
enough to keep you grounded though.

Let us know when you come out of hibernation Jay :-) And, keep in mind
that most of my flying is that boring instrument rating stuff where the
view outside is highly over rated.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jay Beckman]

"Rob" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Is it really the "Worst weather, ever" or is this just more "Bogus
> Weather Hype"?
>
> :)
>
> -R
>

I'm sure there's some hype involved, but here in Phoenix, they're talking
about weather-related issues not seen since 1996-1997 so I guess there is
some historical (as opposed to hysterical) significance to our current
rainfall (south) and snowfall (north) totals.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[jsmith]

Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Every predicted window of good flying
> weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters seem
> to have gone from terrible to laughable.

The forecasts here have gotten pretty inaccurate too, but at least there's been
a day or two of good weather every week or so. You just can't tell when it's
going to be. Last Wednesday, the forecast for the weekend was for good weather.
On Thursday, they changed their minds about Saturday. As it turned out, Saturday
was IMC and Sunday (which was supposed to be pretty) was gray with one or two
light showers.

On Sunday, the forecast for today was for sun and temps in the 40s. Yesterday
they changed the forecast to rain & snow. We've actually got a gray day with the
temps in the 30s and getting colder.

Thursday and Friday are forecast to be mostly cloudy with highs of 66 and 42
respectively. Saturday is supposed to be sunny with a high of 29. We'll see.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[Steven Barnes]

KSPI's TAF this morning was nothing but a bunch of OVC001. Bah.

At the moment...
KSPI 111954Z 02005KT 2SM -RA BR OVC003 03/02 A2984 RMK AO2 RAE1857B31

It's been bad enough that my Cherokee partner can't even get any IFR
training! Double bah.

"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
> Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
> last few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>
> KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416 1/2SM
> -RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT 4SM
> -SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA FG,
> FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
> 2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>
> Jon Kraus
> PP-ASEL-IA
> Student Mooney Owner
>
>
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> > Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> > crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark
beauty.
> >
> > Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
pattern --
> > a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
freezing
> > fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it
for
> > such an extended period.
> >
> > Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in
Missouri
> > for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
> > drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
> > weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters
seem
> > to have gone from terrible to laughable.
> >
> > And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather
this
> > cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
> > manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
> > charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
> > hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.
> >
> > Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers...
And
> > now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are
all
> > closed.
> >
> > One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
> > about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!
> >
> > Anyone else got the winter blues?
>

[Peter R.]

Nomen Nescio ]) wrote:

> From: Peter R. >
>
> >E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>
> Well.......The ceiling's so low.....got my head in the clouds...
> And the run-way's are icy......tax-i-ways ain't been plowed...
> Cockpit door's froze up, too....
> Got them R.A.P blues
>
> Been three weeks without flyin'.......skills are startin' to rust...
> Hoped to go up to-mor-row......but the wea-ther's a "bust"....
> So my plane sits un-used....
> Got them R.A.P blues

Not bad, not bad...


--
Peter

[G.R. Patterson III]

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
> On Sunday, the forecast for today was for sun and temps in the 40s. Yesterday
> they changed the forecast to rain & snow. We've actually got a gray day with the
> temps in the 30s and getting colder.

Oh. Now it's starting to snow, so they can still do a decent job 24 hours in
advance sometimes.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[Jay Beckman]

"jsmith" > wrote in message ...
> Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!

Thought winter time was a La Nina...or is that a northern/southern
hemisphere thing?

Jay B

[john szpara]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:


>Anyone else got the winter blues?

Yup, I'm VFR only, and the weather here in Northern California has
been constant rain for over 2 weeks. In the mountains, they've gotten
over 20 feet of snow.

I spend the week after Christmas at my sister in law's house in
Truckee. We got over 6 feet of snow when we were there. Reno doesn't
normally get much snow, but they got clobbered. We were supposed to
spend New Year's Eve downtown, but got stuck in a FIVE HOUR traffic
jam, and had to turn back at Verdi (10 miles west of Reno). So much
for New Year's.

John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[john szpara]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:


>Anyone else got the winter blues?

Yup, I'm VFR only, and the weather here in Northern California has
been constant rain for over 2 weeks. In the mountains, they've gotten
over 20 feet of snow.

I spend the week after Christmas at my sister in law's house in
Truckee. We got over 6 feet of snow when we were there. Reno doesn't
normally get much snow, but they got clobbered. We were supposed to
spend New Year's Eve downtown, but got stuck in a FIVE HOUR traffic
jam, and had to turn back at Verdi (10 miles west of Reno). So much
for New Year's.

John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[Jon Kraus]

My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
the airport today jsut to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Steven Barnes wrote:
> KSPI's TAF this morning was nothing but a bunch of OVC001. Bah.
>
> At the moment...
> KSPI 111954Z 02005KT 2SM -RA BR OVC003 03/02 A2984 RMK AO2 RAE1857B31
>
> It's been bad enough that my Cherokee partner can't even get any IFR
> training! Double bah.
>
> "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
>>last few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>>
>>KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416 1/2SM
>>-RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT 4SM
>>-SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA FG,
>>FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
>>2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>>
>>Jon Kraus
>>PP-ASEL-IA
>>Student Mooney Owner
>>
>>
>>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>>>Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
>>>crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark
>
> beauty.
>
>>>Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
>
> pattern --
>
>>>a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
>
> freezing
>
>>>fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it
>
> for
>
>>>such an extended period.
>>>
>>>Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in
>
> Missouri
>
>>>for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
>>>drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
>>>weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters
>
> seem
>
>>>to have gone from terrible to laughable.
>>>
>>>And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather
>
> this
>
>>>cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
>>>manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
>>>charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
>>>hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.
>>>
>>>Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers...
>
> And
>
>>>now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are
>
> all
>
>>>closed.
>>>
>>>One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
>>>about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!
>>>
>>>Anyone else got the winter blues?
>>
>
>

[Jon Kraus]

Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

Never heard of those airplanes.... :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 N4443H

john szpara wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:27 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Anyone else got the winter blues?
>
>
> Yup, I'm VFR only, and the weather here in Northern California has
> been constant rain for over 2 weeks. In the mountains, they've gotten
> over 20 feet of snow.
>
> I spend the week after Christmas at my sister in law's house in
> Truckee. We got over 6 feet of snow when we were there. Reno doesn't
> normally get much snow, but they got clobbered. We were supposed to
> spend New Year's Eve downtown, but got stuck in a FIVE HOUR traffic
> jam, and had to turn back at Verdi (10 miles west of Reno). So much
> for New Year's.
>
> John Szpara
> Affordable Satellite
> Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[Jon Kraus]

<clapping> <thinking> Now where did I put that lighter...

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43H

Matt Barrow wrote:

> "Nomen Nescio" ]> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>>From: Peter R. >
>>
>>>E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>>
>>Well.......The ceiling's so low.....got my head in the clouds...
>>And the run-way's are icy......tax-i-ways ain't been plowed...
>>Cockpit door's froze up, too....
>>Got them R.A.P blues
>>
>>Been three weeks without flyin'.......skills are startin' to rust...
>>Hoped to go up to-mor-row......but the wea-ther's a "bust"....
>>So my plane sits un-used....
>>Got them R.A.P blues
>>
>
>
> <Smattering of applause>
>
>

[Jon Kraus]

My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Steven Barnes wrote:
> KSPI's TAF this morning was nothing but a bunch of OVC001. Bah.
>
> At the moment...
> KSPI 111954Z 02005KT 2SM -RA BR OVC003 03/02 A2984 RMK AO2 RAE1857B31
>
> It's been bad enough that my Cherokee partner can't even get any IFR
> training! Double bah.
>
> "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
>>last few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>>
>>KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416 1/2SM
>>-RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT 4SM
>>-SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA FG,
>>FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
>>2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>>
>>Jon Kraus
>>PP-ASEL-IA
>>Student Mooney Owner
>>
>>
>>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>>>Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
>>>crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark
>
> beauty.
>
>>>Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
>
> pattern --
>
>>>a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
>
> freezing
>
>>>fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it
>
> for
>
>>>such an extended period.
>>>
>>>Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in
>
> Missouri
>
>>>for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
>>>drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
>>>weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters
>
> seem
>
>>>to have gone from terrible to laughable.
>>>
>>>And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather
>
> this
>
>>>cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
>>>manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
>>>charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
>>>hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.
>>>
>>>Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers...
>
> And
>
>>>now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are
>
> all
>
>>>closed.
>>>
>>>One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
>>>about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!
>>>
>>>Anyone else got the winter blues?
>>
>
>

[Icebound]

"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
> Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the last
> few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>
> KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416
> 1/2SM -RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT
> 4SM -SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA
> FG, FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
> 2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>

You and Jay will both be flying VFR on Friday, and probably through the
weekend.

IMHO

[Icebound]

"jsmith" > wrote in message ...
> Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!

Last NOAA said anything about it was in September as being a "weak" El Nino
event predicted through "early 2005"... No press releases since... so it
doesn't seem like it is much of an event, if there is one.

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Anyone else got the winter blues?
> --
> Jay

Are you kidding? It got to a high of about 63 today. Downright cold. Last
couple weeks has been even nicer, at times. It was 75 and sunny, a couple
days ago.

We got a trace of rain last week. I can't remember any measurable rain
since before Christmas. It has gotten real cold at night. I think it was
about 30 a couple times.

It was cold before Christmas, but the ski resorts are the only ones
complaining, now.

Don't you hate me now? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Jon Kraus]

Good... I got a hundred dollar hamburger to eat in Matoon IL on Saturday...

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Icebound wrote:

> "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the last
>>few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>>
>>KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416
>>1/2SM -RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT
>>4SM -SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA
>>FG, FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800 19012KT
>>2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>>
>
>
> You and Jay will both be flying VFR on Friday, and probably through the
> weekend.
>
> IMHO
>
>
>
>
>

[Icebound]

"Icebound" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!
>
> Last NOAA said anything about it was in September as being a "weak" El
> Nino event predicted through "early 2005"... No press releases since... so
> it doesn't seem like it is much of an event, if there is one.
>

I take that back. I found their latest El Nino discussion:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/

It says the West coast Precipitation is NOT consistent with an El Nino
Event, although a weak event does exist and is expected to continue at least
3 more months.

[Icebound]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:L0XEd.25812$CH5.22276@fed1read01...
> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!
>
> Thought winter time was a La Nina...or is that a northern/southern
> hemisphere thing?
>
> Jay B
>

El Nina just means that the Equatorial pacific ocean is COLDER than normal,
and El Nino means that it is WARMER. The time of year has nothing to do
with it.

[Icebound]

"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
> Good... I got a hundred dollar hamburger to eat in Matoon IL on
> Saturday...
>

You might have to get the heaters fired up, though :-)

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:21:28 GMT, jsmith > wrote in
>::

>Hey guys! It's an El Nino year!

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/index.html

EL NIÑO/SOUTHERN OSCILLATION (ENSO)
DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
issued by CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER/NCEP
January 6, 2005

Synopsis: Weak warm-episode (El Niño) conditions are expected to
continue for the next three months.

...

[Jon Kraus]

Yea I know... A high in the teens.... Once it gets going the old Mooney
heats up pretty nice... Thanks!!

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney Triple43Hotel

Icebound wrote:
> "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Good... I got a hundred dollar hamburger to eat in Matoon IL on
>>Saturday...
>>
>
>
> You might have to get the heaters fired up, though :-)
>
>
>

[Jack Allison]

Jon Kraus wrote:

> My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
> the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)
How come I can envision myself doing the same thing once I'm an owner?
Is it some sort of hopelessly incurable disease or something? No, wait,
I already know the answer to that one...probably something like going to
Oshkosh once then realizing you're stuck doing it the rest of your life
but for some strange reason, you really don't care and can 100% justify
the expense involved. :-)

At least it's looking like I'll get to go out for a couple more IA
lessons Thursday and Saturday. Whoo hoo, more hood time! Yes, I love
to look at the panel and work on my scan...all the while trying to hold
heading and altitude. It's fun...in a twisted sort of way.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Icebound]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
>> Anyone else got the winter blues?
>> --
>> Jay
>
> Are you kidding? It got to a high of about 63 today. Downright cold.
> Last
> couple weeks has been even nicer, at times. It was 75 and sunny, a couple
> days ago.
>
....
> Don't you hate me now? <g>
> --

You get yours on Thursday :-)

Get all your flying in, tomorrow.

[Jon Kraus]

Allen,
You know it does become an obsession... I din't start off to go to the
airport I just ended up there... How is your airplane search going?

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Jack Allison wrote:

> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>> My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
>> the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)
>
> How come I can envision myself doing the same thing once I'm an owner?
> Is it some sort of hopelessly incurable disease or something? No, wait,
> I already know the answer to that one...probably something like going to
> Oshkosh once then realizing you're stuck doing it the rest of your life
> but for some strange reason, you really don't care and can 100% justify
> the expense involved. :-)
>
> At least it's looking like I'll get to go out for a couple more IA
> lessons Thursday and Saturday. Whoo hoo, more hood time! Yes, I love
> to look at the panel and work on my scan...all the while trying to hold
> heading and altitude. It's fun...in a twisted sort of way.
>

[Jon Kraus]

Allen,
You know it does become an obsession... I didn't start off to go to the
airport I just ended up there... How is your airplane search going?

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Jack Allison wrote:

> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>> My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
>> the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)
>
> How come I can envision myself doing the same thing once I'm an owner?
> Is it some sort of hopelessly incurable disease or something? No, wait,
> I already know the answer to that one...probably something like going to
> Oshkosh once then realizing you're stuck doing it the rest of your life
> but for some strange reason, you really don't care and can 100% justify
> the expense involved. :-)
>
> At least it's looking like I'll get to go out for a couple more IA
> lessons Thursday and Saturday. Whoo hoo, more hood time! Yes, I love
> to look at the panel and work on my scan...all the while trying to hold
> heading and altitude. It's fun...in a twisted sort of way.
>

[Jon Kraus]

Jack,
You know it does become an obsession... I didn't start off to go to the
airport I just ended up there... How is your airplane search going?

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Jack Allison wrote:

> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>> My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
>> the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)
>
> How come I can envision myself doing the same thing once I'm an owner?
> Is it some sort of hopelessly incurable disease or something? No, wait,
> I already know the answer to that one...probably something like going to
> Oshkosh once then realizing you're stuck doing it the rest of your life
> but for some strange reason, you really don't care and can 100% justify
> the expense involved. :-)
>
> At least it's looking like I'll get to go out for a couple more IA
> lessons Thursday and Saturday. Whoo hoo, more hood time! Yes, I love
> to look at the panel and work on my scan...all the while trying to hold
> heading and altitude. It's fun...in a twisted sort of way.
>

[Steven Barnes]

Have a giant elephant ear for me! Their bacon burgers are good too.

"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
> Good... I got a hundred dollar hamburger to eat in Matoon IL on
Saturday...
>
> Jon Kraus
> PP-ASEL-IA
> '79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel
>
> Icebound wrote:
>
> > "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
last
> >>few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
> >>
> >>KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416
> >>1/2SM -RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT
> >>4SM -SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA
> >>FG, FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800
19012KT
> >>2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
> >>
> >
> >
> > You and Jay will both be flying VFR on Friday, and probably through the
> > weekend.
> >
> > IMHO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Morgans]

"Icebound" > wrote

> You get yours on Thursday :-)
>
> Get all your flying in, tomorrow.

Ssssshhh! I wasn't going to mention that, in the hope that it wouldn't come
to pass!

Really, all of this nice, blue sky is getting rather boring. I would like
to see a cloud, or two.<g>

When (not if) it comes, the thing that everyone can count on, is that it
will be around for a while. *That* is the trend for this year.
--
Jim in NC

[Colin W Kingsbury]

Ditto, hasn't been too bad in Beantown lately. Coupla storms but they've
come, done their business, and moved along. Not like last year, when the
winter seemed to go on into late June. I remember reading that some big
highs were stalled over Greenland and forming a wall trapping all the slop
on the East coast.

Thursday, huh? If that's the case you might hear me out there too, sniffing
for some actual in and out of BED, LWM, and BVY. Say "hi" if you hear a
Skyhawk 55D on the freq.

-cwk.

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> It's a beautiful clear day in Boston today. The forecast for Thursday sez
> clouds and upper 50s; could be nice for practicing some actual instrument
> approaches.
>
> --Gary
>
>

[Gary Drescher]

"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> Ditto, hasn't been too bad in Beantown lately. Coupla storms but they've
> come, done their business, and moved along. Not like last year, when the
> winter seemed to go on into late June. I remember reading that some big
> highs were stalled over Greenland and forming a wall trapping all the slop
> on the East coast.
>
> Thursday, huh? If that's the case you might hear me out there too,
> sniffing
> for some actual in and out of BED, LWM, and BVY. Say "hi" if you hear a
> Skyhawk 55D on the freq.

Will do. Dunno yet what my tail sign will be.

--Gary

[Bob Noel]

In article et>,
"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote:

> Ditto, hasn't been too bad in Beantown lately.

now, if I could only get rid of this )(*$@#$@ cold!

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Jon Kraus]

Bacon Burger it is then... Yummm

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Steven Barnes wrote:

> Have a giant elephant ear for me! Their bacon burgers are good too.
>
> "Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Good... I got a hundred dollar hamburger to eat in Matoon IL on
>
> Saturday...
>
>>Jon Kraus
>>PP-ASEL-IA
>>'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel
>>
>>Icebound wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here is our forcast for today in Indianapolis... A carbon copy of the
>
> last
>
>>>>few weeks. I feel your pain Jay because it is the same as mine!! :-)
>>>>
>>>>KIND 111347Z 111412 13007KT 2SM -SHRA BR SCT005 OVC012, TEMPO 1416
>>>>1/2SM -RA FG OVC005, FM1700 14006KT 2SM -SHRA BR OVC004, FM1900 21008KT
>>>>4SM -SHRA BR OVC007, FM0000 12006KT 4SM BR OVC007, TEMPO 0004 1/2SM -RA
>>>>FG, FM0400 16007KT 1/2SM -RA FG OVC020, TEMPO 0408 OVC007, FM0800
>
> 19012KT
>
>>>>2SM -RA BR OVC020, TEMPO 0812 OVC003
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You and Jay will both be flying VFR on Friday, and probably through the
>>>weekend.
>>>
>>>IMHO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Dave]

Got one here tonight Jay!


Cold, -15C, no wind, can see every star in the sky.

(New Brunswick , Canada... (East Coast) )

I have been up nights like this... 10K and You can see for
freaking miles.

And at -15C our little Cessna 172 goes up like a homesick
angel (well. relative speaking of course)

Did get 1200 fpm one night with 1/2 tanks & little 'ole
me.....

Dave


On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:52:32 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> North Central Illinois is no better. Blizzards, low ceilings, low
>> visibility, and freezing rain. It's been an interesting couple of weeks
>> since Christmas. The forecast is for several more days of rain and
>> overcast with temps in the 30's. Ugh!
>
>That's our forecast too -- followed by temperatures plummeting to well below
>zero.
>
>Right now, though, cold sounds pretty good. I'll happily take one of those
>big ol' Canadian high pressure systems, one of those real hum-dingers,
>with -20 degree temps but light winds and crystal clear blue skies.
>
>Heck, I've got a good heater, and anything beats freezing fog and rain!

[Dave]

Go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in the right tunes... :)

Think "music chords" Jay!

D.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:32:34 -0500, Peter R. >
wrote:

>Jay Honeck ) wrote:
>
>> Anyone else got the winter blues?
>
>In Central NY State we haven't seen the sun in about six weeks. Talk
>about the blues...
>
>E E7 E E7 A A7 A A7
>
>:)

[mindenpilot]

Boy, you know how to start a thread ;-)

It's been pretty crappy here in Minden, NV, too.
Lots of snow and cold weather.
I'm hoping to get airborn this week, though.

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

[Sam O'Nella]

>> Somebody in some corner of the
>> country must be having good weather.
>
> Well, since you're wondering, we're have had great weather for the
> past 2.5 weeks here in central NC.

We're not too far away:

http://usairnet.com/cgi-bin/launch/code.cgi?sta=KRIC&model=avn&state=VA&Submit=Get+Forecast

I am LOVING 70 degree January weather!

It's about time too. We usually get the crappy weather around here.

[Jack Allison]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> Jack,
> You know it does become an obsession... I didn't start off to go to the
> airport I just ended up there... How is your airplane search going?

The airplane search has taken a few new twists and turns in the past
couple of weeks. Of the potential partnerships I've been talking to
folks about, one in particular is picking up some steam and just took an
interesting twist. Last weekend, a prospective partner and I talked
about looking at a local '67 Cherokee that had come on the market. From
the pictures and info. on TAP, it looked pretty good and was worth
taking a look. Well...now, this may have morphed into a 3-way
partnership on a fantastic looking '67 Arrow (for roughly the same
per-partner acquisition cost as the 2-way Cherokee deal). Still need to
go look at the plane, meet the third partner, understand/crunch the
numbers a bit more. The Arrow is also local and we'll probably get a
chance to check it out this weekend. I tell ya Jon, I'm ready. I'm
tired of paying approx. $90/hr. for the Archer plus gas.

I'm still interested in Cardinals but, at this point, I think I'd be
happy with something like the Cherokee or even a nicer C-172. Even if
it's something simple for 3-5 years then moving up, that would be fine.
Low wing/high wing...really doesn't matter at this point, I just
want some wings of my own.

So...stay tuned. As soon as something solidifies, I'll be sure to post
something over on r.a.o

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

Jon, Jon

Is Is it it me me or or are are your your posts posts showing showing up
up twice twice ? ?

:-) :-)

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Beckman]

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Jon, Jon
>
> Is Is it it me me or or are are your your posts posts showing showing up
> up twice twice ? ?
>
> :-) :-)
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

Wow,

In testament to the human brain's ability to take in information: I had to
actually read this TWICE to realize each word is doubled.

I need an aspirin...

Jay B

[Dylan Smith]

In article <t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52>, Jay Honeck wrote:
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the pattern --
> a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with freezing
> fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
> such an extended period.

Well, we've been having weather typical to the winter in the north Irish
Sea. Strong winds (gusting to 60 knots last night), lots of rain, low
clouds, added to that the sun doesn't rise until about 08:30 and sets at
about 16:15.

Today we have this unusual bright yellow thing in the sky, but the wind
is still gusting to 50 knots. Then again, northern Scotland got it much
worse last night - wind speeds of over 100 knots and all shipping areas
north of North Irish Sea have been getting forecasts of 'Severe Gale 11'
and worse. The BBC reports that a Portugese fishing trawler with 19 crew
is adrift in the resultant mountainous seas. The RAF found them with a
search and rescue Nimrod. I bet that was a rough flight!

Lack of winter GA flying is just a fact of life here.
--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Jay Honeck]

> My Mooney partner didn't get to go up today either... I did go out to
> the airport today just to make sure my girl didn't need anything!! :-)

I shoveled our hangar out after the last snowstorm -- all for nothing.

Argh. I *need* to get airborne, and soon.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> You and Jay will both be flying VFR on Friday, and probably through the
> weekend.

Sadly, my "weekend" is Wednesday/Thursday...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jon Kraus]

It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Jack Allison wrote:
> Jon, Jon
>
> Is Is it it me me or or are are your your posts posts showing showing up
> up twice twice ? ?
>
> :-) :-)
>

[Sam O'Nella]

Jon Kraus wrote:
> It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK

It's me too. Perhaps the server is duplicating messages or you need to back
away from the coffee ;)

[Jon Kraus]

Go fly the Arrow and then tell me how much you like it. You probably
would never go back to wanting a 172. Not that there is anything wrong
with a 172 mind you, they are great planes but you know what I mean. I
wouldn't be adverse to a 3 way partnership but that would be the most I
would personally do. Remember what they say... Keep 5-10% of the
purchase price put back for the first years "suprise" expenses. Pay
extra and have the avionics stack checked out (including the ELT) by a
qualified avionics shop. It shouldn't cost too much and it would be
worth it. Our Garmin 430 had a bad comm1 board that cost us $700.00 to
get repaired. Our ELT had to be sent back to the factory to diagnose a
signal problem. I have a lsit of other things I can share with you if
you get to the point of pre-buying the Arrow. Why let my mistakes go to
waste right? :-) Good Luck Good Luck (just kidding your not seeing double)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel


Jack Allison wrote:

> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>> You know it does become an obsession... I didn't start off to go to the
>> airport I just ended up there... How is your airplane search going?
>
>
> The airplane search has taken a few new twists and turns in the past
> couple of weeks. Of the potential partnerships I've been talking to
> folks about, one in particular is picking up some steam and just took an
> interesting twist. Last weekend, a prospective partner and I talked
> about looking at a local '67 Cherokee that had come on the market. From
> the pictures and info. on TAP, it looked pretty good and was worth
> taking a look. Well...now, this may have morphed into a 3-way
> partnership on a fantastic looking '67 Arrow (for roughly the same
> per-partner acquisition cost as the 2-way Cherokee deal). Still need to
> go look at the plane, meet the third partner, understand/crunch the
> numbers a bit more. The Arrow is also local and we'll probably get a
> chance to check it out this weekend. I tell ya Jon, I'm ready. I'm
> tired of paying approx. $90/hr. for the Archer plus gas.
>
> I'm still interested in Cardinals but, at this point, I think I'd be
> happy with something like the Cherokee or even a nicer C-172. Even if
> it's something simple for 3-5 years then moving up, that would be fine.
> Low wing/high wing...really doesn't matter at this point, I just want
> some wings of my own.
>
> So...stay tuned. As soon as something solidifies, I'll be sure to post
> something over on r.a.o
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Watch out for those giant polar hurricanes that bring incredibly cold air
> down from the upper atmosphere in their eye and freeze you instantly in
> your
> tracks... or don't you believe in Hollywood physics? :)

ROTFL!

I saw that stupid movie with my 14 year old son, who though it was great.

I, of course, kept laughing out loud at inappropriate times... I really
liked it when the helicopter pilots froze to death more or less instantly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Perhaps it was too "specialized" of a joke, but I felt like breaking out
> in song during the original post.

It's been 35 years since I took guitar lessons. Guess the lessons didn't
stick with me too well!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> It's all over if Jay posts a picture of himself measuring a snowdrift
> with a ruler.

Actually, most Iowans I know (including me) would vastly prefer snow to the
crap we've been getting.

There's just not much you can do with freezing rain and sleet.

(Although, incredibly, our schools are OPEN today! All the school districts
around us are closed -- again -- but the "powers that be" in Iowa City
must've finally felt the pressure from parents to stop canceling school
while the rest of us kept going about our business as usual.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Well.......The ceiling's so low.....got my head in the clouds...
> And the run-way's are icy......tax-i-ways ain't been plowed...
> Cockpit door's froze up, too....
> Got them R.A.P blues
>
> Been three weeks without flyin'.......skills are startin' to rust...
> Hoped to go up to-mor-row......but the wea-ther's a "bust"....
> So my plane sits un-used....
> Got them R.A.P blues

If you make it to the Oshkosh R.A. party in July, we will all take up a
collection to hear you sing that "live".

Or, perhaps, to make you STOP singing that, depending on the mood, and how
much beer has been consumed...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter R.]

Jon Kraus ) wrote:

> It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK

No, no, it isn't just him!

--
Peter

[C J Campbell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
>
> Anyone else got the winter blues?

I am only losing three out of four scheduled flights to 1500 foot ceilings
and 2000 foot freezing levels. Maybe they should just put out a permanent
AIRMET for "moderate icing, mixed rime and clear, surface to 14,000 feet, in
a radius of 500 miles from Tacoma Narrows Airport."

[clyde woempner]

Don't feel bad, we have been getting our tails kicked around here in
California also. But if you really want a thrill, drive through LA on a
Friday afternoon with lots of rain, that's when you will wish you were up
there (flying), instead of down here (driving).
Clyde


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t9QEd.1024$OF5.332@attbi_s52...
> Usually winter is my favorite time of year to fly. The air is cold and
> crisp, the visibility is CAVU, and the landscape has its own stark beauty.
>
> Not this year. Mary and I have not flown in weeks -- not even the
pattern --
> a new record for us. The weather has simply been appalling, with
freezing
> fog, snow and freezing rain. I've never seen anything quite like it for
> such an extended period.
>
> Friends (who bought our old plane) have had their Warrior stuck in
Missouri
> for a few weeks. They've tried retrieving it several times -- a 4 hour
> drive each way -- to no avail. Every predicted window of good flying
> weather has been elusive or non-existent, and the weather forecasters seem
> to have gone from terrible to laughable.
>
> And an IFR ticket doesn't help get a Spam Can off the ground in weather
this
> cruddy. Heck, even the King Airs and Citations are grounded. Our FBO
> manager told me yesterday that he's only been able to fly a couple of
> charters this month, due to conditions, and Unicom (which we play in the
> hotel lobby) has been strangely, ominously silent since Christmas.
>
> Even Cedar Rapids Approach is only talking to scheduled air carriers...
And
> now, after last night's ice storm, schools, roads -- and runways -- are
all
> closed.
>
> One thing's for sure: Ain't no one flying in to see us at the inn. I'm
> about ready to hibernate till April. This sucks!
>
> Anyone else got the winter blues?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jon Kraus]

Sometimes if I fat finger something and I catch it after it gets posted
I go back and do a "Edit as New" to the post and then delete the old
one. My newsgroup viewer (Netscape) doesn't show the deleted one but
maybe others do... Since I fat finger a lot it probably looks like a lot
of double postings... I'l try to be more careful...

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Peter R. wrote:
> Jon Kraus ) wrote:
>
>
>>It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK
>
>
> No, no, it isn't just him!
>

[Dean Wilkinson]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:NcaFd.2274$IV5.2192@attbi_s54...
> > Watch out for those giant polar hurricanes that bring incredibly cold
air
> > down from the upper atmosphere in their eye and freeze you instantly in
> > your
> > tracks... or don't you believe in Hollywood physics? :)
>
> ROTFL!
>
> I saw that stupid movie with my 14 year old son, who though it was great.
>
> I, of course, kept laughing out loud at inappropriate times... I really
> liked it when the helicopter pilots froze to death more or less instantly.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
Yeah, I did the same thing... you'd think that the guy had been dipped in
liquid Nitrogen or something! Obviously the Hollywood screenwriters never
heard of adiabatic heating of gas as it compresses (aka Chinook wind). Even
if you could find -200F air in the upper atmosphere, by the time it made it
to sea level it would be above freezing. Of course, the movie wouldn't be
as exciting if they couldn't make this stuff up...

Dean

[Jim Fisher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
Anyone else got the winter blues?


It's been cloudy and very warm here in 'Bama. 72 degrees out there right
now. IN THE MIDDLE IF JANUARY!

I miss the cold. So perhaps you should consider yourself lucky, Jay. It
could be 72 degrees up there, ya know.

--
Jim Fisher

[john szpara]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:22:55 GMT, Jon Kraus >
wrote:

>Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT
>
>Never heard of those airplanes.... :-)

Those are my "ground flyers".

John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[john szpara]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:17:47 -0800, "clyde woempner"
> wrote:

>Don't feel bad, we have been getting our tails kicked around here in
>California also. But if you really want a thrill, drive through LA on a
>Friday afternoon with lots of rain, that's when you will wish you were up
>there (flying), instead of down here (driving).
>Clyde

I think I'd rather try to fly a Cessna 150 through the freezing level
in IMC than try to drive across LA in traffic, especially if it's
*raining*. Yuck.
John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[Jack Allison]

Jay Beckman wrote:

> I need an aspirin...
>
Roger Roger (to quote from the droids in Star Wars, episode I) :-)



--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

Jon Kraus wrote:

> Sometimes if I fat finger something and I catch it after it gets posted
> I go back and do a "Edit as New" to the post and then delete the old
> one. My newsgroup viewer (Netscape) doesn't show the deleted one but
> maybe others do... Since I fat finger a lot it probably looks like a lot
> of double postings... I'l try to be more careful...
Hmmm, interesting Jon. I'm using Mozilla as my news reader (IMHO, way
better than Outlook express that I've previously used) and what I
sometimes see in my tree-view of posts is two identical posts from you.
As I go back and look at this thread now though, I don't see them.
Strange. Not that I'm flaming you for wasting valuable bandwidth or
anything...I mean, what's a few extra Kbytes worth of text among
friends, eh? Just something weird I noticed so replied as I did (and
confused Jay B. in the process...yes!) :-)

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> I miss the cold. So perhaps you should consider yourself lucky, Jay. It
> could be 72 degrees up there, ya know.

You really, really suck, Jim.

;-0
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

Jon Kraus wrote:

> Go fly the Arrow and then tell me how much you like it.
Aye Aye captain! Will gladly go fly an airplane and report back :-)
Sounds like we'll get to take a look at it Saturday. I'll have my
flying gear with me just in case the owner asks us if we want to take it
for a spin...er, you know what I mean.

> You probably
> would never go back to wanting a 172. Not that there is anything wrong
> with a 172 mind you, they are great planes but you know what I mean. I
Yep, sort of the Tim Taylor approach. Faster, more bells and
whistles...oh ya, I'm sure to take a much more dim view of a C-172 after
I get my first chance to play with the landing gear switch and see a
faster TAS.

> Remember what they say... Keep 5-10% of the
> purchase price put back for the first years "suprise" expenses. Pay
> extra and have the avionics stack checked out (including the ELT) by a
> qualified avionics shop. It shouldn't cost too much and it would be
> worth it.
Sage advice gladly accepted. I'm all ears when it comes to stuff like
this so if you want to pass along your list, please do. Perhaps a good
topic for a r.a.o post...I mean, since we've wandered from Jay H's
weather woes to my latest ownership report. Hey, at least it's all
aviation related.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[[email protected]]

Jack Allison wrote:
> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
> > Sometimes if I fat finger something and I catch it after it gets
posted
> > I go back and do a "Edit as New" to the post and then delete the
old
> > one. My newsgroup viewer (Netscape) doesn't show the deleted one
but
> > maybe others do... Since I fat finger a lot it probably looks like
a lot
> > of double postings... I'l try to be more careful...
> Hmmm, interesting Jon. I'm using Mozilla as my news reader (IMHO,
way
> better than Outlook express that I've previously used) and what I
> sometimes see in my tree-view of posts is two identical posts from
you.
> As I go back and look at this thread now though, I don't see them.
> Strange.

Not that strange. What's happening is Jon sends the first post,
which takes off into Usenet and starts appearing on other servers.
Then he sends the corrected post, which is a separate item and also
gets distributed to the Usenet servers. That's when you see two
seemingly identical posts. The second post is followed by a cancel of
the first post, which (eventually) removes the original post from some
servers. Some people might always see both posts, as some Usenet
servers do not accept cancel commands.
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Jim Burns]

Ok, now here's a good one.... Freezing drizzle advisory this morning
changing to rain in the afternoon with warmer (35F) temps. So most of the
area's schools were 2 hours delayed. Township roads were pretty slippery,
County and state roads were fine. So what does our local school do???? No
delay, send the busses out this morning on the ice THEN declare they will
cancel school... When??? at 1pm!!! Just so they can call it a full day
towards their 180 school days. And what's the weather now at 2:45?? 35
degrees and rain, roads are clear... un freakin real.
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ghaFd.2565$eT5.2082@attbi_s51...
> > It's all over if Jay posts a picture of himself measuring a snowdrift
> > with a ruler.
>
> Actually, most Iowans I know (including me) would vastly prefer snow to
the
> crap we've been getting.
>
> There's just not much you can do with freezing rain and sleet.
>
> (Although, incredibly, our schools are OPEN today! All the school
districts
> around us are closed -- again -- but the "powers that be" in Iowa City
> must've finally felt the pressure from parents to stop canceling school
> while the rest of us kept going about our business as usual.)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jon Kraus]

Ohhh.. Got it!! :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

john szpara wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:22:55 GMT, Jon Kraus >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT
>>
>>Never heard of those airplanes.... :-)
>
>
> Those are my "ground flyers".
>
> John Szpara
> Affordable Satellite
> Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

[Morgans]

I have been getting many posts twice, (perhaps 25 %) but I think it is the
Charter news server, since the problem began just after they switched to and
nntp ? (I think) server. So is it me, or anyone else besides charter
customers having the problem?

"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
> Sometimes if I fat finger something and I catch it after it gets posted
> I go back and do a "Edit as New" to the post and then delete the old
> one. My newsgroup viewer (Netscape) doesn't show the deleted one but
> maybe others do... Since I fat finger a lot it probably looks like a lot
> of double postings... I'l try to be more careful...
>
> Jon Kraus
> PP-ASEL-IA
> '79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel
>
> Peter R. wrote:
> > Jon Kraus ) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK
> >
> >
> > No, no, it isn't just him!
> >
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Ok, now here's a good one.... Freezing drizzle advisory this morning
> changing to rain in the afternoon with warmer (35F) temps. So most of the
> area's schools were 2 hours delayed. Township roads were pretty slippery,
> County and state roads were fine. So what does our local school do????
> No
> delay, send the busses out this morning on the ice THEN declare they will
> cancel school... When??? at 1pm!!! Just so they can call it a full day
> towards their 180 school days. And what's the weather now at 2:45?? 35
> degrees and rain, roads are clear... un freakin real.

They did that here, too. They cancelled school at 2PM (one hour early),
causing untold grief for thousands of parents.

What's the weather? It's 36 degree here, and raining. That's RAINING.
It's predicted to freeze later tonight.

At first I thought the school district was being overly cautious. I now
realize they are merely lazy, stupid idiots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gig Giacona]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Not that strange. What's happening is Jon sends the first post,
> which takes off into Usenet and starts appearing on other servers.
> Then he sends the corrected post, which is a separate item and also
> gets distributed to the Usenet servers. That's when you see two
> seemingly identical posts. The second post is followed by a cancel of
> the first post, which (eventually) removes the original post from some
> servers. Some people might always see both posts, as some Usenet
> servers do not accept cancel commands.
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>

And MANY servers don't accept CANCEL messages.

[Jack Allison]

> Not that strange. What's happening is Jon sends the first post,
> which takes off into Usenet and starts appearing on other servers.
> Then he sends the corrected post, which is a separate item and also
> gets distributed to the Usenet servers. That's when you see two
> seemingly identical posts. The second post is followed by a cancel of
> the first post, which (eventually) removes the original post from some
> servers. Some people might always see both posts, as some Usenet
> servers do not accept cancel commands.
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

Ah....thanks John. I didn't realize you could cancel a previous post
(or, at least try to do so). And here I thought it was just Jon K's
evil plot to confuse folks out here in Usenet land. :-)

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jon Kraus]

All I have to do is highlight the post I want to get rid of and hit the
"delete" key. It then asks if I am sure that I want to cancel this post
and I say yes. Try it and see if it works for you. Of course you can
only cancel your own posts. That is unless you change your identity,
then you can cancel anything you want whether it is your or not.

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel

Jack Allison wrote:
>> Not that strange. What's happening is Jon sends the first post,
>> which takes off into Usenet and starts appearing on other servers.
>> Then he sends the corrected post, which is a separate item and also
>> gets distributed to the Usenet servers. That's when you see two
>> seemingly identical posts. The second post is followed by a cancel of
>> the first post, which (eventually) removes the original post from some
>> servers. Some people might always see both posts, as some Usenet
>> servers do not accept cancel commands.
>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
>
> Ah....thanks John. I didn't realize you could cancel a previous post
> (or, at least try to do so). And here I thought it was just Jon K's
> evil plot to confuse folks out here in Usenet land. :-)
>

[Peter Clark]

I've seen a number on Giganews but I thought it was people posting
from the beta Google.

Shows what I know.....

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:00:45 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>I have been getting many posts twice, (perhaps 25 %) but I think it is the
>Charter news server, since the problem began just after they switched to and
>nntp ? (I think) server. So is it me, or anyone else besides charter
>customers having the problem?
>
>"Jon Kraus" > wrote in message
...
>> Sometimes if I fat finger something and I catch it after it gets posted
>> I go back and do a "Edit as New" to the post and then delete the old
>> one. My newsgroup viewer (Netscape) doesn't show the deleted one but
>> maybe others do... Since I fat finger a lot it probably looks like a lot
>> of double postings... I'l try to be more careful...
>>
>> Jon Kraus
>> PP-ASEL-IA
>> '79 Mooney 201 Triple43Hotel
>>
>> Peter R. wrote:
>> > Jon Kraus ) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>It looks like it is YOU YOU... I THINK THINK
>> >
>> >
>> > No, no, it isn't just him!
>> >
>>
>

[Slip'er]

> In testament to the human brain's ability to take in information: I had
to
> actually read this TWICE to realize each word is doubled.
>
> I need an aspirin...

I didn't even realize it until I read your post and then went back to the
original post. Yikes.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jon Kraus wrote:
>
> All I have to do is highlight the post I want to get rid of and hit the
> "delete" key. It then asks if I am sure that I want to cancel this post
> and I say yes. Try it and see if it works for you. Of course you can
> only cancel your own posts. That is unless you change your identity,
> then you can cancel anything you want whether it is your or not.

Which is exactly why it no longer works on most servers.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Morgans wrote:
>
> I have been getting many posts twice, (perhaps 25 %) but I think it is the
> Charter news server, since the problem began just after they switched to and
> nntp ? (I think) server. So is it me, or anyone else besides charter
> customers having the problem?

I have seen quite a few posts that appear twice, but nowhere close to 25%. I'm
not on Charter.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

[RST Engineering]

"Never first attribute to malice that which can be explained by stark
stupidity."

Jim


> At first I thought the school district was being overly cautious. I now
> realize they are merely lazy, stupid idiots.

[Capt.Doug]

>"Bob Moore" wrote in message >
> Yep! Here in the Tampabay area, it's been 75-80 degrees
> every day this year. Not a single drop of precipitation
> so far....kinda boring.

I had to do a Cat 2 autoland in Tampa Monday night.

D.

[zatatime]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:13:23 GMT, "Capt.Doug" >
wrote:

>>"Bob Moore" wrote in message >
>> Yep! Here in the Tampabay area, it's been 75-80 degrees
>> every day this year. Not a single drop of precipitation
>> so far....kinda boring.
>
>I had to do a Cat 2 autoland in Tampa Monday night.
>
>D.
>
For me that's just a little bit too much technology. I know I've been
aboard once or twice when this has happened, but I'm happier being
drunk in the back than having to watch computers do their thing
outside of my control.

z

[Arnold Sten]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Anyone else got the winter blues?

A good friend of mine flies for Northwest Airlines. Lest any private
pilots think that this lousy winter weather affects only us, allow me to
share the thoughts of my buddy who captains DC-9's. This email was
written on January 13 at a time when there was a huge cold front
extending from the Great Lakes all the way south to the Gulf. He is
based at DTW. One personal comment: The life of a career ATP is not as
glamorous as it otherwise may appear.

"Just arrived at VPS (Fort Walton Beach) at 1730 and it's raining like
crazy. Were staying at this hotel in some resort because all the hotels
down here are in renovations because of the hurricanes. We were
scheduled to arrive at 1100 hrs. but due to wx we been rescheduled 3
times on this three day trip. We call it line of sight crew scheduling.
Because of the flight delays and extra time spent in the air everybody's
running into 30hrs. in 7 day problems and turning into pumpkins. Last
week I was legal for 43 minutes so they Deadheaded me to Saginaw MI. to
fly the return leg because the other pilot could only fly to Saginaw.
The flight was legal because it was blocked for 42 minutes. The FAA
says that riding in the back with 100 other people is rest.

Well, guess who's been flying from the Great Lakes to the Gulf. Been
flying back and forth through this front all week. Just came from DTW to
Memphis to VPS. Yep right down through the middle of it. Strong TRW's
in January....go figure. Been in so many holding patterns I'm getting
dizzy.

Harrisburg (MDT) has had it share of fog lately. I flew in last
Thursday as part of my trip after a 9.7hr. hard fly day (8.2 hrs the day
before). They were calling it 1/2 mile 100 ft. obscured with fog and
drizzle. At decision height just picked up one strobe which allowed us
to go down another 100ft where we just saw the lead in lights to follow
to the runway lights. Just the kinda approach you want after a 14 hr.
day and 9.7 hrs. of flying. It's been like this the last 2 weeks."

[Bob Moore]

"Capt.Doug" > wrote
>
> I had to do a Cat 2 autoland in Tampa Monday night.

Just a little patchy fog...got the first rain of the
year last night.

Bob

[Jay Honeck]

> A good friend of mine flies for Northwest Airlines. Lest any private
> pilots think that this lousy winter weather affects only us, allow me to
> share the thoughts of my buddy who captains DC-9's. This email was written
> on January 13 at a time when there was a huge cold front extending from
> the Great Lakes all the way south to the Gulf.

It was 38 degree rain here early yesterday morning.

It's now -12 Fahrenheit.

Gotta love the Midwest in January!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy Natalie]

It just takes a few really good lawsuits from parents of kids with broken arms
who were fooling around on the snow/ice at the bus stop to make the districts
close at the drop of a hat (or forecast).

RST Engineering wrote:

> "Never first attribute to malice that which can be explained by stark
> stupidity."
>
> Jim
>
> > At first I thought the school district was being overly cautious. I now
> > realize they are merely lazy, stupid idiots.

[Matt Barrow]

"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> It just takes a few really good lawsuits from parents of kids with broken
arms
> who were fooling around on the snow/ice at the bus stop to make the
districts
> close at the drop of a hat (or forecast).

Sane thing.

> RST Engineering wrote:
>
> > "Never first attribute to malice that which can be explained by stark
> > stupidity."
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > > At first I thought the school district was being overly cautious. I
now
> > > realize they are merely lazy, stupid idiots.

[Morgans]

"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> It just takes a few really good lawsuits from parents of kids with broken
arms
> who were fooling around on the snow/ice at the bus stop to make the
districts
> close at the drop of a hat (or forecast).

OR, having a lawsuit from the parents of the newly licensed driver(who has
never driven on snow), sliding off the road, into a telephone pole, or tree.
(or off an un-guard-railed side of the mountain) I believe that is one of
the biggest motivators, in my area.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> OR, having a lawsuit from the parents of the newly licensed driver(who has
> never driven on snow), sliding off the road, into a telephone pole, or
> tree.
> (or off an un-guard-railed side of the mountain) I believe that is one of
> the biggest motivators, in my area.

Of course this goes without saying, but that is absurd.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote >
> Of course this goes without saying, but that is absurd.
> --
> Jay Honeck


But sadly, reality.

I'll give an example, of the pressure the lawsuit happy public has put the
school board under.

A few years back, I let a student run a table saw, for just a couple cuts,
without a guard on it. He screwed up and left the blade too high. The wood
kicked, and in his hurry to get away from it, he stuck his other hand into
the blade. It cost him part of one finger.

He got a few hundred thousand settlement, when he was as much (or more) at
fault as the school, and me. The school has told me that if there is ever
one more serious accident, they will close down the wood shop, because the
insurance cost will be too much to be able to afford. (the premium went up
by about double, already)

Absurd is just *one* word that comes to mind.
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> Absurd is just *one* word that comes to mind.

Wow -- that's B.S.

Thankfully, they still teach "shop" in Iowa City junior high and high
schools.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
> Thankfully, they still teach "shop" in Iowa City junior high and high
> schools.

They still do at my school, (thankfully <g>) but the emphasis is on
residential building construction.

I am very careful with safety, and never let any tool be run without proper
guards; even more safety in place than in industry. On top of that, I have
been trained, and am an OSHA "competent person". Some people out there will
understand all that this implies.

Basically, I try to idiot proof the shop and jobsite for the idiots. (of
which I have many)
--
Jim (with all ten fingers) in NC

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jim Fisher wrote:
>
> I miss the cold.

I see on the news that it hit 28 at Mobile last night. Happier now, Jim?

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.