Air Freq Scanner on Commerical Flight ok?

[Gary G]

I'm flying out to CA next week.
I'm taking some radio freqs for the airports I'm flying into and out of.

I'm just curious about any problems I might have with the scanner.

Even thought it's not a threat, I wonder if they (TSA) will interpret it as an issue?

I'd really love to hear the radio traffic to get better and just understand what is going on.

Anyone?

Thanks!

Gary

[Bob Gardner]

It's not the TSA, it's the air carrier. The regs place the responsibility
for approving portable electronic devices on the pilot in command, but in
most cases there is a company policy that the captains go along with.

Bob Gardner

"Gary G" > wrote in message
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> I'm flying out to CA next week.
> I'm taking some radio freqs for the airports I'm flying into and out of.
>
> I'm just curious about any problems I might have with the scanner.
>
> Even thought it's not a threat, I wonder if they (TSA) will interpret it
> as an issue?
>
> I'd really love to hear the radio traffic to get better and just
> understand what is going on.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gary
>

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Bob Gardner > wrote:
> It's not the TSA, it's the air carrier. The regs place the responsibility
> for approving portable electronic devices on the pilot in command, but in
> most cases there is a company policy that the captains go along with.
>
> Bob Gardner

Agreed. the TSA won't care about the scanner. I just came back
from a trip with mine, and they didn't give it a second thought, let
alone glance. The carrier on the other hand has their regs in place
about its use. Most will ask that they are turned off as soon as the
doors are closed on the flight and they're ready for pushback. Then
when they land and are at the gate, you can use it again.

Most have approved lists of electronic devices to use either on
hand (call the airline) or listed on their website.

If at all possible, when it comes to being on the plane and
wanting to listen in on pilot/ATC chatter, fly UAL proper (nothing
operating as UAX). Ask the pilot to turn on Ch. 9, plug in your
headphones to that, and you're set for the entire flight.

BL.
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Gary G wrote:
> I'm flying out to CA next week.
> I'm taking some radio freqs for the airports I'm flying into and out
of.
>
> I'm just curious about any problems I might have with the scanner.
>
> Even thought it's not a threat, I wonder if they (TSA) will interpret
it as an issue?
>
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It's not the TSA that will have a problem.

It's pretty unlikely that it will be allowed. For as long as I can
remember, the airlines have prohibited the use of any radio receivers
in flight. Receivers generally contain oscillators which emit RF
noise on frequencies other than those that they're designed to receive.
They can cause interference on radios that use entirely diffent bands.

That said, I regularly use a handheld aviation radio and an AM/FM
receiver in my plane and haven't ever had a problem. That won't get
you very far with the airlines, though.
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Nathan Gilliatt]

In article >,
A Guy Called Tyketto > wrote:

> If at all possible, when it comes to being on the plane and
> wanting to listen in on pilot/ATC chatter, fly UAL proper (nothing
> operating as UAX). Ask the pilot to turn on Ch. 9, plug in your
> headphones to that, and you're set for the entire flight.

I rode on a Jetstream a few years back, front row from Raleigh, NC (RDU)
to Greenville-Spartanburg, SC (GSP). When we landed, I talked to the
pilots for a minute, and they showed me the extra headset they would
have offered if they had known I was a pilot. On the way home, my seat
was near the back, of course. I'm still kicking myself.

[Bob Moore]

"Bob Gardner" wrotet.com:

> It's not the TSA, it's the air carrier. The regs place the
> responsibility for approving portable electronic devices on the pilot
> in command, but in most cases there is a company policy that the
> captains go along with.

The REAL regulation..........:-)

(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air
carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate, the
determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall
be made by that operator of the aircraft on which the particular
device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, the
determination may be made by the pilot in command or other
operator of the aircraft.

[Gary G]

Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Gary G > wrote:
> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?

No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
of setup, is UAL.

BL.
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[Blueskies]

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> Gary G > wrote:
>> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
>> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?
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> No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
> of setup, is UAL.
>
> BL.
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American used to do it...

[Jay Beckman]

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>> Gary G > wrote:
>>> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
>>> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?
>>
>> No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
>> of setup, is UAL.
>>
>> BL.
>> - --
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> American used to do it...
>

I don't recall AA ever providing audio but I do remember them providing
video for a while. Camera over the pilot's shoulder looking out the
windscreen and/or a nose wheel cam as well.

Had a nose wheel cam display on an Egypt Air 777 flight one time as
well...very cool sight turning final.

[Blueskies]

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>>> Gary G > wrote:
>>>> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
>>>> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?
>>>
>>> No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
>>> of setup, is UAL.
>>>
>>> BL.
>>> - --
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>> American used to do it...
>>
>
> I don't recall AA ever providing audio but I do remember them providing video for a while. Camera over the pilot's
> shoulder looking out the windscreen and/or a nose wheel cam as well.
>
> Had a nose wheel cam display on an Egypt Air 777 flight one time as well...very cool sight turning final.
>

IIRC, AA stopped the video after the DC-10 crash in Chicago...

[Ron Parsons]

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"Blueskies" > wrote:

>"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
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>>>> Gary G > wrote:
>>>>> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
>>>>> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?
>>>>
>>>> No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
>>>> of setup, is UAL.
>>>>
>>>> BL.
>>>> - --
>>>
>>> American used to do it...
>>>
>>
>> I don't recall AA ever providing audio but I do remember them providing
>> video for a while. Camera over the pilot's
>> shoulder looking out the windscreen and/or a nose wheel cam as well.
>>
>> Had a nose wheel cam display on an Egypt Air 777 flight one time as
>> well...very cool sight turning final.
>>
>
>IIRC, AA stopped the video after the DC-10 crash in Chicago...

Actually it was when the B&W video was phased out to make room for color
movie projectors.

The Audio channel was shut down after some in the legal profession began
plugging in tape recorders in hopes of catching something they could use
to extort money via legal threats.

--
Ron Parsons

[Slip'er]

I just flew Finnair a couple months ago from London to Helsinki. They had
cameras on the nose wheel and another location I don't recall. Very nice.

I was an avid listener of UAL voice coms. One time I flew from New York to
the West coast and listened the whole way. After we took of we got cleared
to an initial altitude waiting for release to our final cruising altitude.
The initial hold put us RIGHT at the cloud tops at sunset. I could feel
very subtle control imputs used to go around some of the cloud peaks. We
got cleared to our final cruise and the pilots asked to hold at the current
altitude [GRIN]. Now I know they were having fun. We stayed there making
very gentle turns for more than a few minutes. I looked around the cabin
and virtually nobody was even looking outside and I am sure that nobody knew
what was going on. Eventually they requested to climb and we left that
beautiful picture behind. Somewhere in the middle of the country the
weather was a total line of thunderstorms arcross the country. We were
North, we were South, we were North. All of the pilots were talking and the
ride was bumpy. We eventually had to stop in TX for fuel, sat on the tarmac
for an hour and took off again. Still flying, bumping, looking for that
hole. The pilot turned off the voice coms to the cabin. I politely stopped
a flight attendant when she went by and asked her if she could ask the
flight crew if they could turn voice coms back on. A couple minutes later...voila,
it was back on. Eventually somebody found a hole, made a pirep and
everybody across the country went for it, including us. We landed some 6
hours late. All of the cattle were in a mighty fine mood. When I walked by
the Captain and First Officer were out saying good bye. [brave of them] As
I walked by I said, "Nice flight!" And the Captain said, "Give us another
try sometime..."

I really wanted to push my way back through the mob. He obviously
misunderstood my, "Nice Flight" comment as an insult. If I could have
pushed my way back I would have explained that I was with them enjoying the
sunset. It was great hearing all of the professional guys talking & helping
each other. Yeah, we were late and my butt hurt but it was a fantastic
flight and I learned a lot just being a fly on the wall. ...but I never
got to say any of that.


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> >> Gary G > wrote:
> >>> Do you think there's any chance that Delta would have
> >>> the ability to pipe radio through the cabin?
> >>
> >> No. They won't. The only ones that actually do have that sort
> >> of setup, is UAL.
> >>
> >> BL.
> >> - --
> >
> > American used to do it...
> >
>
> I don't recall AA ever providing audio but I do remember them providing
> video for a while. Camera over the pilot's shoulder looking out the
> windscreen and/or a nose wheel cam as well.
>
> Had a nose wheel cam display on an Egypt Air 777 flight one time as
> well...very cool sight turning final.
>
>