buzzing a Moscow highway

[HECTOP]

Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.

http://www.maxho.com/lj/balbesy.jpg


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[C J Campbell]

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
...
> Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
> mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.

Hey, Yuri! Haven't seen you around much, lately.

[HECTOP]

In article > you wrote:
> Hey, Yuri! Haven't seen you around much, lately.

Glad you still remember me :) I was actually very pre-occupied running a Russian aviation portal,
and a few other projects, just checking in every now and then when I have fun stuff to share.


Blue skies!


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[Roger Long]

And with the tail number readable on the panel! Does Mother Russia
have an FAA equivalent?

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"C J Campbell" > wrote in
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>
> "HECTOP" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
>> mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>
> Hey, Yuri! Haven't seen you around much, lately.
>
>

[Proton]

On 15 Jan 2005 14:12:27 -0500, HECTOP > wrote:

>Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
>mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>
>http://www.maxho.com/lj/balbesy.jpg

Uh huh huhhuhu....

Damn, that's low and close to the trees....

[City Dweller]

How are things with General Aviation in Russia nowadays? I heard there are
still no laws governing it, and only a privileged few can fly. The skies
still belong to the miliatary, an old Communist legacy.

- cd



"HECTOP" > wrote in message
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> Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
> mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>
> http://www.maxho.com/lj/balbesy.jpg
>
>
> --
> HECTOP
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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Roger Long > wrote:
> And with the tail number readable on the panel! Does Mother Russia

Where'd you see a tail number?


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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting City Dweller > wrote:
> How are things with General Aviation in Russia nowadays? I heard there are
> still no laws governing it, and only a privileged few can fly. The skies

Pretty much that's the truth. And guys like these don't help the situation either. I mean it's fun to watch (I have a video), but I still think this was extremely irresponsible of them.

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[Jon Woellhaf]

It looks like the altimeter is indicating slightly below zero -- what? --
meters?. I thought Moscow was around 200 meters. Did they set it to zero on
the ground, perhaps?

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
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> Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
> mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>
> http://www.maxho.com/lj/balbesy.jpg
>
>
> --
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Jon Woellhaf > wrote:
> It looks like the altimeter is indicating slightly below zero -- what? --
> meters?. I thought Moscow was around 200 meters. Did they set it to zero on
> the ground, perhaps?

Yes, they set it to zero on the ground (QFE), just like everywhere else in Europe.
And also don't forget that aneroid altimeters have a certain margin of error,
especially when it's cold or warm. (I totally forgot what's the legal allowance is,
I think it's 25')

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[Sergio]

City Dweller wrote:

> "HECTOP" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
>>mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>>

ôÁ ÎÕ ×Ù É ÇÏÎÉÔÅ!!! ÷ òÏÓÓÉ ÓÁÍÏÅ ËÌÅ×ÏÅ ×ÏÏÒÕÖÅÎÉÅ!!!!!!!!!!

[Peter R.]

Sergio ) wrote:

> City Dweller wrote:
>
> > "HECTOP" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
> >>mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
> >>
>
> ôÁ ÎÕ ×Ù É ÇÏÎÉÔÅ!!! ÷ òÏÓÓÉ ÓÁÍÏÅ ËÌÅ×ÏÅ ×ÏÏÒÕÖÅÎÉÅ!!!!!!!!!!

What he says....

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[Sergio]

Peter R. wrote:

> Sergio ) wrote:
>
>
>>City Dweller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"HECTOP" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
>>>>mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>>>>
>>
>>ôÁ ÎÕ ×Ù É ÇÏÎÉÔÅ!!! ÷ òÏÓÓÉ ÓÁÍÏÅ ËÌÅ×ÏÅ ×ÏÏÒÕÖÅÎÉÅ!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> What he says....
>

I know that I say but you don't understand me while you study Russia
language! ïÃÅ ÔÏ Ñ ÄÁ× ÄÖÏÓÕ, Ó˦ÌØËÉ ÔÕÔ ÐÏÍÉÌÏË Ã¦ËÁ×Ï! :-)

[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Peter R. > wrote:
> What he says....

Don't pay any attention, just a teenage asshole looking for trouble.

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[Sergio]

HECTOP wrote:
> In rec.aviation.piloting Peter R. > wrote:
>
>>What he says....
>
>
> Don't pay any attention, just a teenage asshole looking for trouble.
>
Do you understand me? áÌÅ ÞÅÓÎÏ ÓËÁÖÕ Ñ ÎÅ ÒÏÓ¦ÑÎÉÎ, Á ÝÉÒÉÊ ÕËÒÁ§ÎÅÃØ!

[John E. Carty]

"Sergio" > wrote in message
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> HECTOP wrote:
>> In rec.aviation.piloting Peter R. > wrote:
>>
>>>What he says....
>>
>>
>> Don't pay any attention, just a teenage asshole looking for trouble.
>>
> Do you understand me? áÌÅ ÞÅÓÎÏ ÓËÁÖÕ Ñ ÎÅ ÒÏÓ¦ÑÎÉÎ, Á ÝÉÒÉÊ ÕËÒÁ§ÎÅÃØ!

÷Ù ÓÏÓÅÔÅ

[Jon Woellhaf]

I never think of that, being based at Jeffco, Colorado, USA (KBJC) at 5670
feet.

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
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> In rec.aviation.piloting Jon Woellhaf > wrote:
>> It looks like the altimeter is indicating slightly below zero -- what? --
>> meters?. I thought Moscow was around 200 meters. Did they set it to zero
>> on
>> the ground, perhaps?
>
> Yes, they set it to zero on the ground (QFE), just like everywhere else in
> Europe.
> And also don't forget that aneroid altimeters have a certain margin of
> error,
> especially when it's cold or warm. (I totally forgot what's the legal
> allowance is,
> I think it's 25')
>
> --
> HECTOP
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[Sergio]

>>Do you understand me? áÌÅ ÞÅÓÎÏ ÓËÁÖÕ Ñ ÎÅ ÒÏÓ¦ÑÎÉÎ, Á ÝÉÒÉÊ ÕËÒÁ§ÎÅÃØ!
>
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÷ÏÔ ÔÁËÉÅ ÐÉÒÏÇÉ!!!!!

[City Dweller]

Maybe you can post some outside-view photos of that low-flyin' spruce goose
:-)

BTW do you live in NY or Florida?

-- C.D.


"HECTOP" > wrote in message
...
> In rec.aviation.piloting Jon Woellhaf > wrote:
>> It looks like the altimeter is indicating slightly below zero -- what? --
>> meters?. I thought Moscow was around 200 meters. Did they set it to zero
>> on
>> the ground, perhaps?
>
> Yes, they set it to zero on the ground (QFE), just like everywhere else in
> Europe.
> And also don't forget that aneroid altimeters have a certain margin of
> error,
> especially when it's cold or warm. (I totally forgot what's the legal
> allowance is,
> I think it's 25')
>
> --
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
> http://www.maxho.com
> maxho_at_maxho.com

[Roger Long]

I thought that placard on the right top of the panel that starts "NE"
was a registration number but I'm not so sure when I look closer.

--

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"HECTOP" > wrote in message
...
> In rec.aviation.piloting Roger Long > wrote:
>> And with the tail number readable on the panel! Does Mother Russia
>
> Where'd you see a tail number?
>
>
> --
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting City Dweller > wrote:
> Maybe you can post some outside-view photos of that low-flyin' spruce goose

It's not a spruce goose, it's a PZL Wilga-35

http://www.icare-rc.com/wilga.htm

I have a through-the-windshield video shot from the plane, and I wish I could share it,
but it's way too incriminating, sorry, can't do.

> BTW do you live in NY or Florida?

In Miami for the last 2 years, and trying to avoid NY at any cost.

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[City Dweller]

The sign says "NO SMOKING" :-)

Just like Manhattan bars...


"Roger Long" > wrote in message
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>I thought that placard on the right top of the panel that starts "NE" was a
>registration number but I'm not so sure when I look closer.
>
> --
>
> Roger Long
>
>
>
> "HECTOP" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In rec.aviation.piloting Roger Long > wrote:
>>> And with the tail number readable on the panel! Does Mother Russia
>>
>> Where'd you see a tail number?
>>
>>
>> --
>> HECTOP
>> PP-ASEL-IA
>> http://www.maxho.com
>> maxho_at_maxho.com
>
>

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How do you mean we set our altimeters to QFE everywhere in Europe?
I certainly do not, it is always QNH for me and a lot of others.
-Kees

[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
> How do you mean we set our altimeters to QFE everywhere in Europe?
> I certainly do not, it is always QNH for me and a lot of others.

Bull****! Europe is all the same, you people all speak French, use same money
and drive Rovers! I know it, cuz I saw it on CNN, and they won't lie!

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Proton wrote:
>
> Damn, that's low and close to the trees....

There's plenty of tree clearance. Compared to some backcountry
strips I fly into, it looks down right generous :-)
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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HECTOP wrote:
>
> It's not a spruce goose, it's a PZL Wilga-35

A Wilga! Very cool. They were quite popular here in the
Southwestern U.S. about 10 years ago (I think there was a local
dealer). Haven't seen one in quite awhile. As I recall from a short
flight, low and slow was the airplane's strong suit. Just out of
curiosity, are the cars in the video passing the plane?
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting > wrote:
> flight, low and slow was the airplane's strong suit. Just out of
> curiosity, are the cars in the video passing the plane?

Nah, it's flying at 160kph (see airspeed indicator on the left), which is about 100mph/86knots.
While there are people who drive that fast (gee, I do!), there were no carse passing the plane in
the video :)


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[Corky Scott]

On 18 Jan 2005 09:22:40 -0800, "
> wrote:

>A Wilga! Very cool. They were quite popular here in the
>Southwestern U.S. about 10 years ago (I think there was a local
>dealer). Haven't seen one in quite awhile. As I recall from a short
>flight, low and slow was the airplane's strong suit. Just out of
>curiosity, are the cars in the video passing the plane?
>John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

They are still available. There's a guy in Highgate Vermont who is
bringing them in and selling them. While watching one circle the
field last summer I heard the following: "They may be ugly, but
they're sure slow". :-D

Corky Scott

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HECTOP wrote:
>
> Nah, it's flying at 160kph (see airspeed indicator on the left),
which is about 100mph/86knots.

Geez! That's high cruise speed (max range cruise is only 142kph).
Don't think I've ever seen anyone in that much of a hurry, in a Wilga
:-))

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting > wrote:
> Geez! That's high cruise speed (max range cruise is only 142kph).
> Don't think I've ever seen anyone in that much of a hurry, in a Wilga

Will it surprise you, if I'll tell you that both pilots are airline captains? :)


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In rec.aviation.piloting Corky Scott > wrote:
> last summer I heard the following: "They may be ugly, but they're sure
> slow". :-D

They also tend to perform the "freefalling sack of nails" maneuver when the fan quits.

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HECTOP wrote:
> In rec.aviation.piloting >
wrote:
> > Geez! That's high cruise speed (max range cruise is only 142kph).
> > Don't think I've ever seen anyone in that much of a hurry, in a
Wilga
>
> Will it surprise you, if I'll tell you that both pilots are airline
captains? :)
>

That explains a lot! :-)

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Morgans]

"HECTOP" > wrote

> They also tend to perform the "freefalling sack of nails" maneuver when
the fan quits.
>
> --
> HECTOP

I don't get it. Why would a STOL, slow airplane fall like a sack of nails?
--
Jim in NC

[Proton]

On 18 Jan 2005 09:15:21 -0800, "
> wrote:

>
>Proton wrote:
>>
>> Damn, that's low and close to the trees....
>
>There's plenty of tree clearance. Compared to some backcountry
>strips I fly into, it looks down right generous :-)
>John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

hehe.

I started flying at an airport with about that much tree clearance.
The air does strange things when it pours over the tops of those
things.

=)

[Bob Clough]

Presumably one of the domestic "spin-offs" of Aeroflot?

Bob


"HECTOP" > wrote in message
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> In rec.aviation.piloting > wrote:
>> Geez! That's high cruise speed (max range cruise is only 142kph).
>> Don't think I've ever seen anyone in that much of a hurry, in a Wilga
>
> Will it surprise you, if I'll tell you that both pilots are airline
> captains? :)
>
>
> --
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Morgans > wrote:
> I don't get it. Why would a STOL, slow airplane fall like a sack of nails?

It is STOL simply because it has a 260HP radial pulling the whole go-cart, but everyone I know who flies this thing, say it's a deadweight without engine.


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[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Bob Clough > wrote:
> Presumably one of the domestic "spin-offs" of Aeroflot?

There's no need for unjustified bias. Many domestic spin-offs have exceeded Aeroflot both in safety and service,
and Aeroflot itself is very much Western style company nowadays flying all the latest Boeing and Airbus aircraft.


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[Bob Clough]

C'mon, it's justified. Perhaps a bit dated, but justified. Boeing-Airbus,
Tupolev-Antonov -- Soviet safety issues were rarely hardware related, it was
usually maintenance and over-loading, ie software/wetware. I'm wondering
how much "new" companies have been able to change that.

I do agree that international aeroflot, in my experience, has distinguished
itself from its domestic colleagues.

Who would you rate among the safest domestic spin-offs? I'm personally
interested cuz I'm heading back for extensive travel within the country come
April...

Bob


"HECTOP" > wrote in message
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> In rec.aviation.piloting Bob Clough > wrote:
>> Presumably one of the domestic "spin-offs" of Aeroflot?
>
> There's no need for unjustified bias. Many domestic spin-offs have
> exceeded Aeroflot both in safety and service,
> and Aeroflot itself is very much Western style company nowadays flying all
> the latest Boeing and Airbus aircraft.
>
>
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[[email protected]]

True, CNN won't lie.
But we lie to CNN a lot ;-)

-Kees

[HECTOP]

In rec.aviation.piloting Bob Clough > wrote:
> interested cuz I'm heading back for extensive travel within the country come
> April...

Transaero has the best record both service and safety wise, they fly exclusively all
Western aircraft. Siberia ("Sibir") has probably the worst, though often through
no fault of their own, their planes get shot down or blown up by terrorists.
Other than Aeroflot and Transaero, results may vary, cuz you may get an old beat up
aircraft, but excellent service, and vice versa. Safety wise there hasn't been a
major Russian airline crash in years due to aircraft or crew fault, so no worries
there.

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[Corky Scott]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:33:39 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>I don't get it. Why would a STOL, slow airplane fall like a sack of nails?

Have you ever SEEN a Wilga? http://www.pzl-okecie.com.pl/wilga.htm

They are relatively heavy, and excessively draggy. One flight report
I read described how when are landing and you pulled the power
downwind at the end of the runway, you'd better be turning for the
runway immediately because the bottom just drops out.

A glider it is not.

Corky Scott

[Gig Giacona]

"Corky Scott" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:33:39 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
>>I don't get it. Why would a STOL, slow airplane fall like a sack of
>>nails?
>
> Have you ever SEEN a Wilga? http://www.pzl-okecie.com.pl/wilga.htm
>
> They are relatively heavy, and excessively draggy. One flight report
> I read described how when are landing and you pulled the power
> downwind at the end of the runway, you'd better be turning for the
> runway immediately because the bottom just drops out.
>
> A glider it is not.
>
> Corky Scott


I love this from the site above on the Wilga...

GENERAL DESCRIPTION

A four seat multipurpose aircraft of STOL class which may be widely used as:

a.. An executive A/c
b.. Air club general use, parachuting, glider and banner towing and
training A/c
c.. Air ambulance
d.. Patrol A/c
e.. Agricultural A/c

What kind of executive?

[Jens Krueger]

Corky Scott > wrote:

> On 18 Jan 2005 09:22:40 -0800, "
> > wrote:
>
> They are still available. There's a guy in Highgate Vermont who is
> bringing them in and selling them. While watching one circle the
> field last summer I heard the following: "They may be ugly, but
> they're sure slow". :-D

Just as a side note, there's a german female pilot flying a wilga from
germany to namibia, africa. Towing a sailplane! It's supposed to be the
longest tow, aiming for a new record. The website is in german, but they
have some cool pictures... Here's one to start:
<http://www.mymarco.de/namibia/gallerys/day06/index.htm?&action=showimag
e&image=0008.jpg>, taken over Italy.

Cheers,
Jens

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[Douglas Eagleson]

HECTOP wrote:
> Two genius (Beavis & Butthead with an airplane) friends of
> mine, today just outside of Moscow, Russia.
>
> http://www.maxho.com/lj/balbesy.jpg
>
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The road is supposed to be single lane. And the two cars sitting in
the middle of the road stopped are supposed to be State police. That
is the standard of road buzzing here in the USA.

And the picture must include the scared cop's face.

I have not ever done that, but that is the goal of such odd behavior.
To stunt.

And stunting require the ever present power lines to be dodged.
A stupid and dangerous stunt.