TSA Security Rule, applies to who, and who's taken it?

[scupper79]

my subject poses my question?

ck

[Bob Noel]

In article <1107595660.f5bf59948aca7d4d4f8fe7667f194501@terane ws>,
"scupper79" > wrote:

> my subject poses my question?

what "TSA Security Rule" and how does one take a rule?

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[BTIZ]

if you refer to the requirement to take the security training.. it applies
to most CFIs except
glider pilots need to take it.

BT

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> ck
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[C J Campbell]

"scupper79" > wrote in message
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> my subject poses my question?

The CFI security training is fairly innocuous, though it contains some
howlers. If you can't print out the graduation form (it is a pop-up blocked
by many computer security programs), just put an entry in your logbook
certifying that you took the training.

[[email protected]]

"C J Campbell" wrote:
> The CFI security training is fairly innocuous, though it contains some
> howlers. If you can't print out the graduation form (it is a pop-up blocked
> by many computer security programs), just put an entry in your logbook
> certifying that you took the training.

It isn't only for CFIs, anyone/everyone working in our building at the
airport had to take it. But you're right about the howlers.

[[email protected]]

It is a simple common sense test that anyone with a frontal lobe can
pass if they can read english! Essentially all it says is to call your
supervisor and push the responsibility up the chain until someone has
brains enough to deal with it....or not..?!
I did it to satisfy the feds as a CFI.
Ol S&B

[scupper79]

I only heard it through a peer of mine in a class where he shouldn't even
know about it. I'm an independent CFI which just got my first BFR (old
term.) and have never been asked about it. Should I bother learning and
taking or just wait until I'm pressured into it?

ck



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[Scott D.]

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:45:39 -0600, "scupper79" >
wrote:

>I only heard it through a peer of mine in a class where he shouldn't even
>know about it. I'm an independent CFI which just got my first BFR (old
>term.) and have never been asked about it. Should I bother learning and
>taking or just wait until I'm pressured into it?
>
>ck
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>"scupper79" > wrote in message
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>> my subject poses my question?
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>> ck
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Any CFI that is teaching needs to (should) have it. It is quick to
go thru. You can not fail it. There is no real test, you just have to
drone through their presentation, and do a little interactive
questioning, and then print out the certificate and keep it on file.

You can find the presentation here.

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?content=09000519800d11d8


There is also other requirments a CFI has to do as well. In a nut
shell, if you instruct someone that is working on getting a license or
upgrading, you need to get a copy of their birth certificate, or
Passport to ensure that they are a citizen of the US. You have to
keep a copy of this for 5 years. You also have to do one of the
following:

U.S. citizens who are receiving flight training
U.S. citizens (whether by birth or naturalization) beginning training
for a recreational, sport pilot, private pilot (single or multiengine)
certificate, multiengine rating (at any level), or instrument rating,
on or after October 20, 2004 in an aircraft weighing less than 12,500
pounds must present the flight school or flight instructor with
evidence of U.S. citizenship. Evidence must be shown by one of the
following:
Valid unexpired U.S. passport.
Original birth certificate of the United States, American Samoa, or
Swains Island, and government-issued picture ID.
Original certification of birth abroad with raised seal (Form FS-545
or DS-1350) and government-issued picture ID.
Original certificate of U.S. citizenship with raised seal (Form N-560
or N-561), or a Certificate of Repatriation (Form N-581), and
government-issued picture ID.
Original U.S. naturalization certificate with raised seal (Form N-550
or N-570) and a government-issued picture ID.
The instructor must then comply with one of the following two options:
Make an endorsement in both the instructor's logbook, or other record
used by the instructor to record flight student endorsements, and the
student's logbook with the following:
"I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert
type of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S.
passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the
document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or
national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and
instructor's signature and CFI number.]"
Keep a copy of the documents used to prove citizenship for five years.
Flight training may begin after the documents have been reviewed and
either the logbook endorsement is made or copies are obtained by the
instructor.



Scott D

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[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:42:37 -0700, Scott D. <> wrote:

>"I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert
>type of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S.
>passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the
>document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or
>national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and
>instructor's signature and CFI number.]"

and with this signoff you then are a certified nonterrorist?

sorry, #m

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[Robert M. Gary]

It sounds like you are giving instruction illegally. You must have a
valid TSA certificate to give flight instruction now. You need to go to
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/ and learn how to do it. Its easy and
quick. I don't think there is any failure possible. I probably failed
mine but it "passed" me and issued the certificate.

-Robert

[Joe Morris]

"Robert M. Gary" > writes:

>It sounds like you are giving instruction illegally. You must have a
>valid TSA certificate to give flight instruction now. You need to go to
>http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/ and learn how to do it. Its easy and
>quick. I don't think there is any failure possible. I probably failed
>mine but it "passed" me and issued the certificate.

I had a quick discussion about that with Phil Boyer after the recent
AOPA Town Meeting in northern Virginia a couple of weeks ago. He says
that the reading he got from TSA is that (a) they don't have any mechanism
in place to find out who has taken the test (do'h!) and (b) they're more
interested in getting the "security awareness" of the CFI community raised
than they are with punitive enforcement.

I'll agree that the "training" is a good example of how *not* to design
training material, but if it does make the aviation community *think*
about security issues then it's achieved at least part of its intended
function.

Joe Morris

[[email protected]]

I took it a couple of weeks ago. Took me about 20 minutes. basically a
very short outline of how not to be terminally stupid regarding basic
security issues, then a series of about a dozen 'scenarios' you have to
evaluate, followed by a selection of options you can perform as a CFI;
like:

You are a CFI at your local airport. You see a man, muttering to
himself in Arabic, carrying an AK-47, and struggling to cut the prop
lock off a Cessna 182 that belongs to your brother-in-law. Next to him
is a large crate bearing the label 'fragile - this side up -
thermonuclear warhead enclosed - do not drop'.

Do you:

A - Notify your superior that there's a big ugly box littering the
ramp.
B - Do nothing, and go to the Applebees next to the airport; happy hour
ends in 30 minutes.
C - Hand him your card, and tell him you are available to do a BFR for
him for $30 an hour.


It's pretty straightforward, and damn near useless.

Cheers,

Cap

> scupper79 wrote:
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> ck