uhhh, why?

[scupper79]

ok, here's my scenario:

I am an independent flight instructor, been flying for a little over 4 years
now. Ya, still a student in my opinion; envy the lifetimers. Just got my
first Flight Review less than 30 days ago, was planning on getting my
Sea -addon, didn't manage to get that one accomplished. The flight
instructor I chose for my Flight Review didn't ask me of any birth cert and
the flight review I just gave a few days back, I didn't ask of such
material. I first heard of this TSA ordeal from a guy at school who knew of
it I don't know how; he's no pilot, aviation of much sort at all.

So, I keep records about as best as you can, entire filing cabinet full
separated between FAR necessaries and then just good info to reference on a
boring night.

TSA means that the last 3 months of my flying has been conducted illegal if
one were to put it that way and I probably do not have a proper Review, did
not conduct a proper Flight Review and therefore have broken the 61.51
logbook rule and the whole bit and more.

I attempt to always read the AOPA newletter every week and the NAFI every
week (which are almost identical between the two) and have failed to get
this TSA.

The FAA paper mails seminar advertising several times through the year but I
have failed to get any info toward this TSA rule. So what is the importance
of it. A birth certificate is something your mother is suppose to keep her
hands on and not for us to lose later on in life.

In attempt to keep my records as legal as they have always been, now I have
to go on my spare time and present, ask for, and backdate several pages of
material to keep my cabinet happy for a future worst-case scenario.

Do I have an argument or should I just shut-up?
oh ya, of course I will comply with the new law.

ck

[Robert M. Gary]

1) As a CFI you MUST hold a valid TSA certificate in addition to your
CFI certificate. Check out AOPA's page for info on obtaining this
certificate. You are technically illegal in giving flight instruction
without a TSA certificate.
2) There is no requirement that you prove citizenship for a BFR. Check
out http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/ . TSA only applies to new ratings.
3) There is no requirement to keep any paperwork (other than the CFI
keeping his TSA certificate). As a CFI you simply write an endorsement
in the student's log book and forget about it

I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert type
of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S.
passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the
document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or
national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and
instructor's signature and CFI number.]

Signing this endorsement is a SUBSTITUTE for record keeping.

-Robert, CFI (and TSA certified!)

[BTIZ]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> 1) As a CFI you MUST hold a valid TSA certificate in addition to your
> CFI certificate. Check out AOPA's page for info on obtaining this
> certificate. You are technically illegal in giving flight instruction
> without a TSA certificate.

Glider CFI and other instructors (like balloons) are exempt (BT)

> 2) There is no requirement that you prove citizenship for a BFR. Check
> out http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/ . TSA only applies to new ratings.

agreed, except it does not apply to glider or balloon ratings.. (BT)

> 3) There is no requirement to keep any paperwork (other than the CFI
> keeping his TSA certificate). As a CFI you simply write an endorsement
> in the student's log book and forget about it

Do you not have to at least keep a record that you reviewed so and so's
paperwork and did the endorsement in his/her log book? (BT)

>
> I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert type
> of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S.
> passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the
> document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or
> national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and
> instructor's signature and CFI number.]
>
> Signing this endorsement is a SUBSTITUTE for record keeping.
>
> -Robert, CFI (and TSA certified!)
>

[Robert M. Gary]

Technically you are suppose to keep a record of all your endorsements
so you probably should make a note in your endorsement's log just
saying you signed it.

[Blueskies]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message oups.com...
> 1) As a CFI you MUST hold a valid TSA certificate in addition to your
> CFI certificate. Check out AOPA's page for info on obtaining this
> certificate. You are technically illegal in giving flight instruction
> without a TSA certificate.
> 2) There is no requirement that you prove citizenship for a BFR. Check
> out http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/ . TSA only applies to new ratings.
> 3) There is no requirement to keep any paperwork (other than the CFI
> keeping his TSA certificate). As a CFI you simply write an endorsement
> in the student's log book and forget about it
>
> I certify that [insert student's name] has presented me a [insert type
> of document presented, such as a U.S. birth certificate or U.S.
> passport, and the relevant control or sequential number on the
> document, if any] establishing that [he or she] is a U.S. citizen or
> national in accordance with 49 CFR 1552.3(h). [Insert date and
> instructor's signature and CFI number.]
>
> Signing this endorsement is a SUBSTITUTE for record keeping.
>
> -Robert, CFI (and TSA certified!)
>

My understanding is that you have to do the documentation check, then write the endorsement or keep a copy of the proof
of citizenship for 5 years.

[Scott D.]

On 6 Feb 2005 20:15:32 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" >
wrote:

>Technically you are suppose to keep a record of all your endorsements
>so you probably should make a note in your endorsement's log just
>saying you signed it.


You either have to make a logbook endorsement in your own logbook or
keep a copy of the document (birth certificate or Passport) for 5
years.


Scott D

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[BTIZ]

That's what I was thinking..
BT

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Technically you are suppose to keep a record of all your endorsements
> so you probably should make a note in your endorsement's log just
> saying you signed it.
>