Looking for a fuselage

[Jay Honeck]

Or a big propeller.

Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)

Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
travelers?

Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
shouldn't look too kitschy...

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike Adams]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...
>

Did you see the article in the EAA newsletter about the Beech Starship for sale on E-Bay? Only $50K so
far, and it would be quite the conversation piece!

Mike

[Ron Natalie]

Mike Adams wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
>>Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
>>shouldn't look too kitschy...
>>
>
>
> Did you see the article in the EAA newsletter about the Beech Starship for sale on E-Bay? Only $50K so
> far, and it would be quite the conversation piece!
>
> Mike
That's going to go for a lot more. I think it's still got the entire panel and
all the interior left on it. You might try whoever buys it and see if there are
parts (like the props) that he might be willing to part with cheap.

Jay-- email me privately, I might have a line on some stuff for you.

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:exoPd.33895$C24.16818@attbi_s52...
> Or a big propeller.
>
> Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
> complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
> aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)
>
> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair
prop?
> Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
> travelers?
>
> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...

How about a 1/8th scale P-51 (wood carved) on a pole out in front so it acts
like a weather vane? I saw on at a "homes on an airport" place once and it
was impressive.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
> Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
> travelers?
>
> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...

Cessna-on-a-stick, eh? That'll sure drag'em in off the highway. I'm
thinking the MidWest and the WestCoast have different definitions of
"kitschy."

Try something less real, more abstract and artsy. For instance, at
the Sacramento Airport, they put up some enormous colorful birds:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L3372267A
[username: root password: password]

I'm not suggesting you go to that extent, but maybe some tastful
artwork on your existing sign or the front of your hotel. Get your
wife involved or your stained-glass artist friend. Props and wingless
fuselages appeal to 0.5% of your potential guests. Don't turn away
the other 99.5%.

[Bushleague]

I actually saw a 140 fuse for sale on eBay a couple of weeks ago.
Search "completed items", it may still be available. There was also a
1982 Lear 24D for $75,000. Needed new engines for most operations
types. Pass anything but a fuel truck too!

Bush

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:38:02 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Or a big propeller.
>
>Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
>complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
>aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)
>
>Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
>cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
>Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
>travelers?
>
>Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
>shouldn't look too kitschy...
>
>Thanks!

[John T]

1/8 scale is pretty small.

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front?


There was one available at the auction I was at - not part of the auction.
I'll check to see if it's still sitting out in the field. Auction also had a
goodly supply of telephone poles that went cheap - drats!

> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...


A windmill - newer style Euro looking contraption. We've only got a few in
the Twin Cities so they are GREAT landmarks. Burnsville Honda has one -
South of Mpls 15 miles on 35W. (Not that tall either)

"Where's your Inn?"
"Right under the big white windmill."

Have I blown the $800 budget?


Montblack

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?

Consider what an aircraft looks like after being on tiedown for a year without
being washed. I think you'd wind up with a filthy condo for starlings in
relatively short order. The prop will be easier to keep clean. Gonna put a giant
plastic owl on top of it?

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

[Roger Long]

We've got a right lower cowl skin for a 172 N. It has a dent which
was pounded out and is only slightly noticeable. It's airworthy but
the FBO bought us a new one because they forgot to tie down the other
airplane.

Just a few hundred more parts and you could have a whole 172!

--

Roger Long

[houstondan]

Roger Long wrote:
> We've got a right lower cowl skin for a 172 N. It has a dent which
> was pounded out and is only slightly noticeable. It's airworthy but
> the FBO bought us a new one because they forgot to tie down the other

> airplane.
>
> Just a few hundred more parts and you could have a whole 172!
>
> --
>
> Roger Long

didn't johnny cash have a song about something like that?

y'know...there's something wrong when jay is looking for a 140 to put
on a stick and i'm doin everything i can to get one all my own to go
fly in! well, not everything i can. have yet to start holding-up
convenience stores. so far.


dan

[Peter Duniho]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
...
> Consider what an aircraft looks like after being on tiedown for a year
> without
> being washed. I think you'd wind up with a filthy condo for starlings in
> relatively short order. The prop will be easier to keep clean.

Especially if you attach a motor to it and leave it running all the time.

> Gonna put a giant plastic owl on top of it?

He won't need one if he goes the motor route. :)

Pete

[Jay Honeck]

> y'know...there's something wrong when jay is looking for a 140 to put
> on a stick and i'm doin everything i can to get one all my own to go
> fly in! well, not everything i can. have yet to start holding-up
> convenience stores. so far.

Well, Dan, I suspect the kind of aircraft I'm looking for is NOT something
you'd be willing to hang yourself beneath at 5,000 feet!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Daniel]

George Patterson wrote ...
>
> Consider what an aircraft looks like after being on tiedown for a year without
> being washed. I think you'd wind up with a filthy condo for starlings in
> relatively short order. The prop will be easier to keep clean. Gonna put
> a giant plastic owl on top of it?



You've never been crow huntin' have you George? The plastic owl will
keep the starlings away, but the sky will grow dark with screamin',
crappin' crows.

Daniel

[Robert Bates]

I've seen full scale fiberglass Spits and ME109's for display purposes
online that would look real nice on a pole.




"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:dzyPd.65769$eT5.16483@attbi_s51...
> > y'know...there's something wrong when jay is looking for a 140 to put
> > on a stick and i'm doin everything i can to get one all my own to go
> > fly in! well, not everything i can. have yet to start holding-up
> > convenience stores. so far.
>
> Well, Dan, I suspect the kind of aircraft I'm looking for is NOT something
> you'd be willing to hang yourself beneath at 5,000 feet!
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Slick]

Go to MotArt.com and contact Tim. He'll be able to put you in touch with
aircraft junkyards across the country.
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:exoPd.33895$C24.16818@attbi_s52...
> Or a big propeller.
>
> Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
> complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
> aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)
>
> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair
prop?
> Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
> travelers?
>
> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>



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Jay,
How about a "Connie" ( Constellation ). Yep, the full size plane.
Used to be outside a BAR!!!! ( lounge ) in New Orleans. It was just
off the interstate, probably why it's no longer there. Probably caused
too many near-wrecks, involving mainly ME!!!!

Neal


Jay Honeck wrote:
> > y'know...there's something wrong when jay is looking for a 140 to
put
> > on a stick and i'm doin everything i can to get one all my own to
go
> > fly in! well, not everything i can. have yet to start holding-up
> > convenience stores. so far.
>
> Well, Dan, I suspect the kind of aircraft I'm looking for is NOT
something
> you'd be willing to hang yourself beneath at 5,000 feet!
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Roger]

On 12 Feb 2005 08:33:03 -0800, Bob Fry
> wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
>> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
>> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
>> Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
>> travelers?
>>
>> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
>> shouldn't look too kitschy...
>
>Cessna-on-a-stick, eh? That'll sure drag'em in off the highway. I'm
>thinking the MidWest and the WestCoast have different definitions of
>"kitschy."
>

Welll..he could go with Cessna wrapped around a pole..er...stick, but
it migth not create the desired impression.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>Try something less real, more abstract and artsy. For instance, at
>the Sacramento Airport, they put up some enormous colorful birds:
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?L3372267A
>[username: root password: password]
>
>I'm not suggesting you go to that extent, but maybe some tastful
>artwork on your existing sign or the front of your hotel. Get your
>wife involved or your stained-glass artist friend. Props and wingless
>fuselages appeal to 0.5% of your potential guests. Don't turn away
>the other 99.5%.

[Aviv Hod]

I think Slick meant www.MotoArt.com. Unfortunately Tim Roberts died
October 11, 2004, apparently of natural causes.

The others guys will probably help you out, though.

As others have suggested, I think that a more abstract artistic piece
will enhance the hotel more than a Cessna on a stick. That will likely
look dilapidated in short order.

-Aviv

Slick wrote:
> Go to MotArt.com and contact Tim. He'll be able to put you in touch with
> aircraft junkyards across the country.
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:exoPd.33895$C24.16818@attbi_s52...
>

[Rich S.]

"Aviv Hod" > wrote in message
...
> As others have suggested, I think that a more abstract artistic piece will
> enhance the hotel more than a Cessna on a stick. That will likely look
> dilapidated in short order.

The Supermall near Auburn, WA had an Ercoupe sans landing gear mounted on a
pylon. That was the coolest Ercoupe ever!

Rich S.

[Slick]

I apologize I confused the names, I meant Dave.
"Aviv Hod" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think Slick meant www.MotoArt.com. Unfortunately Tim Roberts died
> October 11, 2004, apparently of natural causes.
>
> The others guys will probably help you out, though.
>
> As others have suggested, I think that a more abstract artistic piece
> will enhance the hotel more than a Cessna on a stick. That will likely
> look dilapidated in short order.
>
> -Aviv
>
> Slick wrote:
> > Go to MotArt.com and contact Tim. He'll be able to put you in touch with
> > aircraft junkyards across the country.
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> > news:exoPd.33895$C24.16818@attbi_s52...
> >



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[Capt.Doug]

>"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
> Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
> cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair
prop?
> Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
> travelers?

If you are going 3 stories up, you'll need something of size. There is a
restaurant on Century Blvd across the street from the approach end of Runway
25L at LAX that has fiberglass replicas of WW2 fighters. They manufacture
them for sale.too. I seem to remember the name of the restaurant is the
'Rainbird'. They literally took a real plane and covered it with plaster to
form a mold.

D.

[Dave Hyde]

Capt.Doug wrote...

> I seem to remember the name of the restaurant is the
> 'Rainbird'.

Cool place to drive by (never stopped), just make sure
you get the right spot. 'The Wild Goose' is *not* the place. :-)
The restaurant is called "The Proud Bird."
Photos at
http://ipmslondon.tripod.com/museumreviews/id20.html
and
http://www.1hss.org/Proud_Bird/proud_bird.htm

Dave 'Transplant' Hyde

[George Patterson]

Dave Hyde wrote:
>
> The restaurant is called "The Proud Bird."

Cool! I vote for the X-1. And a cherry-picker with a pressure washer!

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

[Ben Smith]

Here's a somewhat 'famous' fuselage for sale. Price reduced, also. It was
$8k last time they listed it...

http://tinyurl.com/54qbf

[Jay Honeck]

> Here's a somewhat 'famous' fuselage for sale. Price reduced, also. It
> was
> $8k last time they listed it...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/54qbf

Hey -- isn't that the one that has the amazing changing "N" number? :-)

It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of all
time, showing a different Cessna on the ground than in the air.

(Or am I remembering a different movie?)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ben Smith]

> Hey -- isn't that the one that has the amazing changing "N" number? :-)
>
> It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of
all
> time, showing a different Cessna on the ground than in the air.
>
> (Or am I remembering a different movie?)

Yep, that's right..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181852/goofs

I also remember that the effects with that fuselage were kind of cheesy.. I
didn't know it was a hand made prop till seeing that auction. Watching the
movie I couldn't help but think the prop was digitally superimposed, or
something.

[Scott D.]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:36:34 GMT, "Capt.Doug" >
wrote:

>
>If you are going 3 stories up, you'll need something of size. There is a
>restaurant on Century Blvd across the street from the approach end of Runway
>25L at LAX that has fiberglass replicas of WW2 fighters. They manufacture
>them for sale.too. I seem to remember the name of the restaurant is the
>'Rainbird'. They literally took a real plane and covered it with plaster to
>form a mold.
>
>D.
>
We have a restaurant here in Colorado Springs that has a KC-97 as part
of the restaurant. The left wing actually goes into the building and
they have a staircase that goes into the fuselage. There are several
tables up there so you can dine in the plane itself. Here is the
link. http://www.solosrestaurant.com/



Scott D

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[Morgans]

Hey, I've got an idea! Get one of those old jetliner fuselages, and put it
out front, and do some work on the inside, turning it into a suite! Then,
you could rent out your sign!
--
Jim in NC

[John Ousterhout]

Rich S. wrote:
> "Aviv Hod" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>As others have suggested, I think that a more abstract artistic piece will
>>enhance the hotel more than a Cessna on a stick. That will likely look
>>dilapidated in short order.
>
>
> The Supermall near Auburn, WA had an Ercoupe sans landing gear mounted on a
> pylon. That was the coolest Ercoupe ever!
>
> Rich S.

Ercoupe? I'm sure Jay can do better than that!

How about this? http://www.thebomber.com/restaurant.asp

- J.O.-

[Jack Idler]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Kq2Qd.65778$IV5.46402@attbi_s54...
> > Here's a somewhat 'famous' fuselage for sale. Price reduced, also. It
> > was
> > $8k last time they listed it...
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/54qbf
>
> Hey -- isn't that the one that has the amazing changing "N" number? :-)
>
> It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of
all
> time, showing a different Cessna on the ground than in the air.
>
> (Or am I remembering a different movie?)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>
Or how about Jimmy Smits in a recent West Wing episode flying a Canadian
registered aircraft, supposedly out of an airport in Iowa....try Brantford,
ON (CYFD).

[Montblack]

("John Ousterhout" wrote)
> How about this? http://www.thebomber.com/restaurant.asp


Fun. Good site.


Montblack

[wmbjk]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:38:02 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Or a big propeller.
>
>Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
>complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
>aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)
>
>Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
>cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
>Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
>travelers?
>
>Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
>shouldn't look too kitschy...
>
>Thanks!

Suitable ships have been mentioned in this newsgroup many times, so a
quick search of the archives might produce some leads. Which candidate
is best will depend on your answers to these questions -

If aluminum is your preference, then will something very small be OK,
and can you afford shipping from PR?

If something larger but in fiberglass might be better, are you able to
provide your own canopy latches?

Wayne :-)

[wmbjk]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:18:19 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Hey -- isn't that the one that has the amazing changing "N" number? :-)
>
>It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of all
>time,

Nope, I believe I saw the biggest gaffe recently in a stinkeroo about
terrorists taking over a 747 in flight. First a strike team was
inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71. Next a stewardess started
a fuel dump by reversing wire-nut connections on two pairs of THHN,
which happened to be the only wires in an enclosure. But a terrorist
took one look at the reversed wires, and re-twisted them back to the
normal configuration. Top that!

Wayne

[Peter R.]

wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> wrote:

> First a strike team was inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71.

If you are referring to the Kirk Douglas movie, "Executive Decision," the
modified aircraft was a modified F-117 Stealth Fighter.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/


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John Ousterhout wrote:
> Rich S. wrote:
>
>>> As others have suggested, I think that a more abstract artistic piece
>>> will enhance the hotel more than a Cessna on a stick. That will
>>> likely look dilapidated in short order.
>>
>>
>> The Supermall near Auburn, WA had an Ercoupe sans landing gear mounted
>> on a pylon. That was the coolest Ercoupe ever!
>>
>> Rich S.
>
>
> Ercoupe? I'm sure Jay can do better than that!

There's a DC3 outside a tavern in Moree, Australia.

[Peter R.]

"Peter R." > wrote:

> wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> wrote:
>
>> First a strike team was inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71.
>
> If you are referring to the Kirk Douglas movie, "Executive Decision," the
> modified aircraft was a modified F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/

Excuse me, Kirk Russell.

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[Gig Giacona]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> wrote:
>
>> First a strike team was inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71.
>
> If you are referring to the Kirk Douglas movie, "Executive Decision," the
> modified aircraft was a modified F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/
>
>

You misspelt Russell. It was the best Steven Segall movie ever. He died in
the first 10 minutes.

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and
it
> shouldn't look too kitschy...
>

Think big! I saw this one in Whitehorse, Yukon Canada :

http://www.roadsideattractions.ca/popfiles/whitehorse.htm

Back in the mid 80s I was in the Orlando area and came across a bar
with an entire Beech Musketeer attached to the side of the building as
if it had crashed nose first into the upper side of the wall. I've got
a picture of it on my wall, but haven't been able to locate it on the
'net. Any of you Florida folks know what I'm talking about?

If it's not on the 'net, I might consider unframing and scanning my
pic. It's very cool looking!

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Peter R.]

Gig Giacona > wrote:

> You misspelt Russell. It was the best Steven Segall movie ever. He died in
> the first 10 minutes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As my penance I will hang out in the People Magazine
gossip newsgroup... not.

The important point is that I got the aircraft right. ;)

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Peter R. wrote:
> "Peter R." > wrote:
>
> > wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> First a strike team was inserted into the jumbo via a modified
SR71.
> >
> > If you are referring to the Kirk Douglas movie, "Executive
Decision," the
> > modified aircraft was a modified F-117 Stealth Fighter.
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/
>
> Excuse me, Kirk Russell.
>

Getting closer :-))) It's Kurt Russell.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[wmbjk]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:20:03 -0500, "Peter R."
> wrote:

>wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> wrote:
>
>> First a strike team was inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71.
>
>If you are referring to the Kirk Douglas movie, "Executive Decision," the
>modified aircraft was a modified F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/

No, I remember that one too unfortunately, it had a lot of detail
about the insertion. The one I'm thinking of reduced that part to a
couple of blurps with a screw gun. I think this might be it
http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:162251 IIRC, the flight
attendant who rewired the fuel dump also made the landing.

Wayne

[Cy Galley]

Why not a multicolored balloon?


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Kq2Qd.65778$IV5.46402@attbi_s54...
> > Here's a somewhat 'famous' fuselage for sale. Price reduced, also. It
> > was
> > $8k last time they listed it...
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/54qbf
>
> Hey -- isn't that the one that has the amazing changing "N" number? :-)
>
> It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of
all
> time, showing a different Cessna on the ground than in the air.
>
> (Or am I remembering a different movie?)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Montblack]

(John Galban wrote)
>> Excuse me, Kirk Russell.

> Getting closer :-))) It's Kurt Russell.


It's Valentine's Day - Keri Russell.
http://www.cbs.com/specials/magic_of_ordinary_days/bios/bio_russell.shtml

http://tinyurl.com/5kpwb
(same Russell link as above)


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Nope, I believe I saw the biggest gaffe recently in a stinkeroo about
> terrorists taking over a 747 in flight. First a strike team was
> inserted into the jumbo via a modified SR71. Next a stewardess started
> a fuel dump by reversing wire-nut connections on two pairs of THHN,

You mean, we *can't* dump all the fuel on an airliner overboard with a
screwdriver?

Dang.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> You mean, we *can't* dump all the fuel on an airliner overboard with a
> screwdriver?

Of course we can. I saw Harrison Ford do it in "Air Force One." :-)

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

[m alexander]

The is a BD-5 fuselage sitting on its gear in Modesto CA,
in a camper shell lot. Don't know anything other than it
has been sitting there for a while.

m alexander

[Morgans]

"m alexander" > wrote in message
. net...
> The is a BD-5 fuselage sitting on its gear in Modesto CA,
> in a camper shell lot. Don't know anything other than it
> has been sitting there for a while.
>
> m alexander

He said "fuselage", not casket!!
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Fry]

wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> writes:

> >It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of all
> >time,
>
> Nope, I believe I saw the biggest gaffe recently in a stinkeroo about
> terrorists taking over a 747 in flight.

How about the movie where Ahnold kills his seatmate just before the
plane takes off, then manages to sneak down to the landing gear by
cutting through a flimsy plastic cover....he never seems to pass
through a pressure bulkhead.

[Rich S.]

"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
>
> How about the movie where Ahnold kills his seatmate just before the
> plane takes off, then manages to sneak down to the landing gear by
> cutting through a flimsy plastic cover....he never seems to pass
> through a pressure bulkhead.

It's okay. It was aviation grade Tyvek.

Rich "Running and ducking for cover" S.

[Morgans]

> > How about the movie where Ahnold kills his seatmate just before the
> > plane takes off, then manages to sneak down to the landing gear by
> > cutting through a flimsy plastic cover....he never seems to pass
> > through a pressure bulkhead.
>
> It's okay. It was aviation grade Tyvek.
>
> Rich "Running and ducking for cover" S.
>
Question: "Know why nobody sends donkeys to school?"

Answer: "Nobody likes a *smart ass*!

Good carry-over from another thread, though.;-)
--
Jim in NC

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Morgans wrote:

> "m alexander" > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>The is a BD-5 fuselage sitting on its gear in Modesto CA,
>>in a camper shell lot. Don't know anything other than it
>>has been sitting there for a while.
>>
>>m alexander
>
>
> He said "fuselage", not casket!!

Dunno 'bout that, yawn hasn't crashed his yet. Then again, he still
can't find anyone to fly it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Bob Fry wrote:

> wmbjk <wmbjk@remove_this citlink.net> writes:
>
>
>>>It seems to me that this movie has one of the biggest aviation gaffes of all
>>>time,
>>
>>Nope, I believe I saw the biggest gaffe recently in a stinkeroo about
>>terrorists taking over a 747 in flight.
>
>
> How about the movie where Ahnold kills his seatmate just before the
> plane takes off, then manages to sneak down to the landing gear by
> cutting through a flimsy plastic cover....he never seems to pass
> through a pressure bulkhead.

Can't beat the "6 Million Dollar Man" series for really low budget
effects. Ever notice no matter what aircraft he was flying they would
always show B-52 gear retracting.

Come to think of it, some of the 50s giant ant movies were really bad. I
saw one where the aircraft changed from a T-33 to an F-84 inflight and
the narrator explained the changed by saying they dropped tanks. The
never did explain how they turned 2 wing root intakes into one nose intake.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired]

Morgans wrote:

>>>How about the movie where Ahnold kills his seatmate just before the
>>>plane takes off, then manages to sneak down to the landing gear by
>>>cutting through a flimsy plastic cover....he never seems to pass
>>>through a pressure bulkhead.
>>
>>It's okay. It was aviation grade Tyvek.
>>
>>Rich "Running and ducking for cover" S.
>>
>
> Question: "Know why nobody sends donkeys to school?"
>
> Answer: "Nobody likes a *smart ass*!
>
> Good carry-over from another thread, though.;-)

Or a teacher who says "don't get smart."

Dan "who didn't", U.S. Air Force, retired

[Frank van der Hulst]

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> Can't beat the "6 Million Dollar Man" series for really low budget
> effects. Ever notice no matter what aircraft he was flying they would
> always show B-52 gear retracting.

I must say I was disappointed by the flying scenes in "The Aviator" --
not enough of them, and the XF-11 and Spruce Goose never looked like
anything other than Photoshop-generated images :-(

And what about the scene where Howard and someone are walking off,
trying to think what kind of wood to build it out of... I mean, it's not
like spruce hadn't been a standard aircraft construction material for
almost 40 years at that point.

Sheesh, in a movie about an aviation legend, they could at least make an
effort to get the aviation facts straight.

Frank
(and wasn't that 737 I saw landing in 1963 in "Ray"?)

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Morgans" >
wrote:

> Question: "Know why nobody sends donkeys to school?"
>
> Answer: "Nobody likes a *smart ass*!

nobody likes an educated mule or donkey...

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Morgans]

"Frank van der Hulst" > wrote

> And what about the scene where Howard and someone are walking off,
> trying to think what kind of wood to build it out of... I mean, it's not
> like spruce hadn't been a standard aircraft construction material for
> almost 40 years at that point.

You do realize that there is very little spruce in the spruce goose, don't
you?
--
Jim in NC

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Bob Noel > wrote:
>In article >, "Morgans" >
>wrote:
>
>> Question: "Know why nobody sends donkeys to school?"
>>
>> Answer: "Nobody likes a *smart ass*!
>
>nobody likes an educated mule or donkey...

Well, with _horses_, you don't have to worry.
They may make it through arithmetic class.
They may make it through basic algebra class.
They may make it through solid geometry class.
They *NEVER* make it through the co-ordinate geometry class.

It seems there's something about "putting Des Cartes before the horse."

[LCT Paintball]

"Robert Bonomi" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Bob Noel > wrote:
>>In article >, "Morgans"
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Question: "Know why nobody sends donkeys to school?"
>>>
>>> Answer: "Nobody likes a *smart ass*!
>>
>>nobody likes an educated mule or donkey...
>
> Well, with _horses_, you don't have to worry.
> They may make it through arithmetic class.
> They may make it through basic algebra class.
> They may make it through solid geometry class.
> They *NEVER* make it through the co-ordinate geometry class.
>
> It seems there's something about "putting Des Cartes before the horse."
>
>

BOOO, Hisssssss
:)

[Jay Honeck]

> It seems there's something about "putting Des Cartes before the horse."

DING DING DING!

You win! You win the Newsgroup Award for presenting the absolute WORST joke
anyone has EVER seen on Usenet -- truly an amazing honor!

Augh, that was terrible...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I must say I was disappointed by the flying scenes in "The Aviator" --
> not enough of them, and the XF-11 and Spruce Goose never looked like
> anything other than Photoshop-generated images :-(

Actually, those were both very large R/C models, according to Air & Space
magazine.

We're talking in the hundreds of pounds. (And the Spruce Goose model was
supposedly ELECTRIC powered, which I thought was interesting...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ash Wyllie]

Jay Honeck opined

>> I must say I was disappointed by the flying scenes in "The Aviator" --
>> not enough of them, and the XF-11 and Spruce Goose never looked like
>> anything other than Photoshop-generated images :-(

>Actually, those were both very large R/C models, according to Air & Space
>magazine.

>We're talking in the hundreds of pounds. (And the Spruce Goose model was
>supposedly ELECTRIC powered, which I thought was interesting...)

Given Lithium Polymer batteries, electric is becoming the power of choice
for scale aircraft. Look through some of last years RC mags, there is a Chinese
AWACs aircraft in many of them.

Interesting plane. Based on a Soviet copy of a US B-29. Even has a rotating
radome.


-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> Actually, those were both very large R/C models, according to Air & Space
> magazine.
>
> We're talking in the hundreds of pounds. (And the Spruce Goose model was
> supposedly ELECTRIC powered, which I thought was interesting...)
> --
> Jay Honeck

Can you imagine trying to start 8 engines, and keep them running? Electric
makes multi's much easier.

I often wonder if the Spruce Goose was capable of flying out of ground
effect, with the engines that were on it. Has anyone ever done a modern
aero analysis on it?
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> Of course we can. I saw Harrison Ford do it in "Air Force One." :-)


Honey, either shoot the terrorist, shoot me, wait till we land and shoot
Glenn Close, or shoot yourself, I really don't care anymore. But for
heaven's sake ...shoot SOMEBODY with that gun you're holding!


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> It seems there's something about "putting Des Cartes before the horse."
>
> DING DING DING!
>
> You win! You win the Newsgroup Award for presenting the absolute WORST
> joke anyone has EVER seen on Usenet -- truly an amazing honor!
>
> Augh, that was terrible...


Here's one for you Simon.

Horse walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Why the long face?"


Yo Montblack, you really brought it tonight. Dat's Da bomb.

[Jay Honeck]

> Horse walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Why the long face?"
>
>
> Yo Montblack, you really brought it tonight. Dat's Da bomb.

Sorry. Although that's really bad, the other joke is still the worst.

Ever.

Hey -- only 5 months till OSH. You planning to drive down again?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Sorry. Although that's really bad, the other joke is still the worst.
>
> Ever.
>
> Hey -- only 5 months till OSH. You planning to drive down again?


Yes ...hanging head ...again.

That is unless I can catch a ride in a Tri-Motor going over. There's talk in
these parts about having a Tri-Motor Round-Up at OSH this year. Golden Wings
Museum is going to see how many they can bring over. Other Tri-Motor owners
around the country are being called. That's all I know about that.

www.goldenwingsmuseum.com
5 flying Tri-Motors baby! Also, check out the Lindbergh Foundation Event in
May.

Otherwise, I'll be bringing the 'airplane of minivans' again. New tires, new
water pump and new O2 sensor. Should make it another year.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Otherwise, I'll be bringing the 'airplane of minivans' again. New tires,
> new water pump and new O2 sensor. Should make it another year.

Hey, that ol' minivan made the rec.aviation OSH '04 party an absolute blow
out!

Unless you can fit a buffet into the Trimotor, I won't be upset if you have
to "fly" the Chrysler another year!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stealth Pilot]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:38:02 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Or a big propeller.
>
>Now that our conversion to an aviation theme-suites hotel is almost
>complete, we think it's time to make the *outside* of the place look more
>aviation-ish. (We've only changed the inside, thus far.)
>
>Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
>cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
>Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
>travelers?
>
>Anyone got any better ideas? Whatever we do, it can't be unsafe, and it
>shouldn't look too kitschy...
>
>Thanks!

somewhere out in the texas desert is an eaa chapter with a smartly
painted BD5 on a pole. it looks as slick as anything I've ever seen on
a pole.

the other suggestion is to locate a disgraced Mini 500 Helicopter and
put it on a pole.

something small, smartly painted and interesting. definitely
uncrashed!!!!
the general public are still turned on by both of the aforementioned
designs.
Stealth Pilot

[Mark Hickey]

>>Anyone know where I can find an old Cessna 140 (for example) fuselage for
>>cheap that I could mount on a pole out front? Or a big ol' Convair prop?
>>Something I could hoist up onto a 3-story sign, to catch the eye of
>>travelers?

I think I found just the thing for you... (though you're gonna need a
really, REALLY stout pole...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26428&item=4532033102&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

.... or if you prefer, item number 4532033102.

Mark "shipping's gonna cost you though" Hickey

[Jay Honeck]

Now THAT is cool!

The City probably wouldn't let us put it out front, and shipping would be a
killer, but...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Wayne Paul]

Is the bird on ebay the same type as the one in the following link?
http://www.soaridaho.com/Gliders_on_Tow.jpg

Wayne

"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think I found just the thing for you... (though you're gonna need a
> really, REALLY stout pole...
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26428&item=4532033102&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
> ... or if you prefer, item number 4532033102.
>
> Mark "shipping's gonna cost you though" Hickey

[Morgans]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote

> Is the bird on ebay the same type as the one in the following link?
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Gliders_on_Tow.jpg

Although it is hard to see from that picture, it very well could be. I
don't know of another biplanes that could tow 5 sailplanes.

It is the AN-2, a Russian biplane with huge proportions, and still is a
workhorse in many parts of the old Soviet Union, and elsewhere.

It was produced as late as 1970, from what I was able to find. It had a
single 1,000 HP engine, and empty weight of about 7,600, and could have a
maximum takeoff weight of over 12,000 pounds. Around 20,000 were produced,
and it is believed that around 2,00 are still flying.

Wingspan of over 59 feet, maximum speed of 160mph, and economy cruise of
115mph. It has excellent STOL characteristics, partly due to the fact that
its ailerons can droop along with its flaps.
--
Jim in NC

[Scott Skylane]

Morgans wrote:

/snip/
> It was produced as late as 1970, from what I was able to find. /snip/

I have personally been in a 1985 model.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Mark Hickey]

Scott Skylane > wrote:

>Morgans wrote:
>
>/snip/
>> It was produced as late as 1970, from what I was able to find. /snip/
>
>I have personally been in a 1985 model.

I saw one at the Copperstate fly-in a couple years ago. It was almost
like an optical illusion... you felt like you were right beside it,
but you had to keep walking and walking and walking as it got bigger
and bigger and bigger.

Mark Hickey