How to purchase helicopter wreckage?

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A few weeks ago a helicopter crashed out at my local airport. Nobody
will talk to me about how I would go about attempting to buy the
wreckage. I know that it has to sit until the NTSB gets through with
it, but what happens then.

It belonged to a flight school and was destroyed when an autorotation
went bad. I would like to buy the wreckage for parts. Unfortunately,
the flight school wont talk to me about it.

What should I do? It was probably insured so can I buy it from the
insurance company? If so, how do I find out which one?

Dennis.




Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A Recession is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A Depression is when YOU are out of work.
A Recovery is when all the H1-B's are out of work."
(An H-1B is someone who is brought into the USA to replace
American workers at a fraction of the wage.)

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Stan Gosnell > wrote:

> The insurance company is probably who will end up with it, but you need to
> be very careful about the parts. Using dynamic parts after a crash is
> mostly a no-no, and the insurance company is going to be very careful about
> their liability in that area. There aren't many parts that can be reused
> without an inspection from an authorized repair facility, if then.

So how can I find out the name of the insurance company? Does the
NTSB keep those records?

I don't think that the crash was all that bad. It occurred at about
100 feet when a glider tow pilot crashed into the back of it during an
autorotation. Both people in the R22 crawled out of the wreckage with
only minor bruises. The kid in the glider that the tow pilot was
pulling managed to land safely. He was the only one that didn't wreck
his plane. The tow pilot suffered severe injuries and was taken to a
local hospital in another helicopter.

As such, I think there are a bunch of parts that are usable. I just
don't know how to buy the wreckage.


Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A Recession is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A Depression is when YOU are out of work.
A Recovery is when all the H1-B's are out of work."
(An H-1B is someone who is brought into the USA to replace
American workers at a fraction of the wage.)

[Stan Gosnell]

wrote in
:
> So how can I find out the name of the insurance company? Does the
> NTSB keep those records?

Not that I know of. The owner would certainly know, but not many other
people. The lien-holder, if any, should know. If the owner won't tell
you, I don't have any other ideas.

> I don't think that the crash was all that bad.
>
> As such, I think there are a bunch of parts that are usable.

Doesn't really matter. If there was a sudden stoppage, every rotating part
should at least be inspected by a competent A&P with IA, if not the
manufacturer, before use on another aircraft. Not doing so is stupid on
your own aircraft, & criminal on any other. If you do get the wreckage,
budget a fair amount of money for inspections on all the parts, at the very
least.

--
Regards,

Stan

[Jim]

Dennis, often the company contracted to remove the wreckage will have the
bidding advantage as the fees will have a huge sway. I know someone who
bought a Bell 206-L3 for $12K and the engine alone sold for $75K (was a roll
over and recertification cost a couple grand) but they had an artificialy
high advantage due to having done the removing of the wreckage. Here we have
a salvage company that gets these removal jobs by default because they are
so often used and know all the right people. He usually has as many as five
R-22s on hand and rarely any useable items survive but the engines. The
engines with accessories are a premium and are really the only remaining
value other than those instruments that don't suffer shock damage. The main
rotor shaft towers are always broken at the base and the tailrotor gearboxes
while looking ok probably won't pass a dial indicater runout check. I say
forget any wreck R-22 stuff. However if you find out who the underwriters
are and don't have to compete with the salvage operator it would be easy to
place a winning bid because salvage companys buy low sell high.

just an opinion mindya
Jim

> wrote in message
...
> Stan Gosnell > wrote:
>
> > The insurance company is probably who will end up with it, but you need
to
> > be very careful about the parts. Using dynamic parts after a crash is
> > mostly a no-no, and the insurance company is going to be very careful
about
> > their liability in that area. There aren't many parts that can be
reused
> > without an inspection from an authorized repair facility, if then.
>
> So how can I find out the name of the insurance company? Does the
> NTSB keep those records?
>
> I don't think that the crash was all that bad. It occurred at about
> 100 feet when a glider tow pilot crashed into the back of it during an
> autorotation. Both people in the R22 crawled out of the wreckage with
> only minor bruises. The kid in the glider that the tow pilot was
> pulling managed to land safely. He was the only one that didn't wreck
> his plane. The tow pilot suffered severe injuries and was taken to a
> local hospital in another helicopter.
>
> As such, I think there are a bunch of parts that are usable. I just
> don't know how to buy the wreckage.
>
>
> Dennis Hawkins
> n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)
>
> "A Recession is when you know somebody who is out of work.
> A Depression is when YOU are out of work.
> A Recovery is when all the H1-B's are out of work."
> (An H-1B is someone who is brought into the USA to replace
> American workers at a fraction of the wage.)

[brien]

Some of the insurance companies have web pages listing their insurance
wrecks and take bids on line not sure how many do it that way.


"Jim" > wrote in message ...
>
> Dennis, often the company contracted to remove the wreckage will have the
> bidding advantage as the fees will have a huge sway. I know someone who
> bought a Bell 206-L3 for $12K and the engine alone sold for $75K (was a
roll
> over and recertification cost a couple grand) but they had an artificialy
> high advantage due to having done the removing of the wreckage. Here we
have
> a salvage company that gets these removal jobs by default because they are
> so often used and know all the right people. He usually has as many as
five
> R-22s on hand and rarely any useable items survive but the engines. The
> engines with accessories are a premium and are really the only remaining
> value other than those instruments that don't suffer shock damage. The
main
> rotor shaft towers are always broken at the base and the tailrotor
gearboxes
> while looking ok probably won't pass a dial indicater runout check. I say
> forget any wreck R-22 stuff. However if you find out who the underwriters
> are and don't have to compete with the salvage operator it would be easy
to
> place a winning bid because salvage companys buy low sell high.
>
> just an opinion mindya
> Jim
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Stan Gosnell > wrote:
> >
> > > The insurance company is probably who will end up with it, but you
need
> to
> > > be very careful about the parts. Using dynamic parts after a crash is
> > > mostly a no-no, and the insurance company is going to be very careful
> about
> > > their liability in that area. There aren't many parts that can be
> reused
> > > without an inspection from an authorized repair facility, if then.
> >
> > So how can I find out the name of the insurance company? Does the
> > NTSB keep those records?
> >
> > I don't think that the crash was all that bad. It occurred at about
> > 100 feet when a glider tow pilot crashed into the back of it during an
> > autorotation. Both people in the R22 crawled out of the wreckage with
> > only minor bruises. The kid in the glider that the tow pilot was
> > pulling managed to land safely. He was the only one that didn't wreck
> > his plane. The tow pilot suffered severe injuries and was taken to a
> > local hospital in another helicopter.
> >
> > As such, I think there are a bunch of parts that are usable. I just
> > don't know how to buy the wreckage.
> >
> >
> > Dennis Hawkins
> > n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)
> >
> > "A Recession is when you know somebody who is out of work.
> > A Depression is when YOU are out of work.
> > A Recovery is when all the H1-B's are out of work."
> > (An H-1B is someone who is brought into the USA to replace
> > American workers at a fraction of the wage.)
>
>