Zero ASH 30 Mi at recent WGC

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I have enjoyed following the WGC in Poland.

I was somewhat surprised that there are no ASH 30 Mi flying in the open
class contest. Is there some issue that makes them non-competitive in that
soaring location, or in general?

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

[Steve Parker]

There was one, it came 18th. in the open class.

[Dave Nadler]

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:47:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Parker wrote:
> There was one, it came 18th. in the open class.

18th place lists an ASH-31mi, not an ASH-30.

Who built the top open class wings?
In top 12 (roughly top third):
5 JS-1 (Jonkers)
4 EB (Binder)
3 Antares 23E/Quintus (Lange)

See ya, Dave

[waremark]

Superb comp record for the JS1, which also took 5 of the top 10 places in the 18m class. Of course, the same pilots would probably have achieved the same positions in any of several gliders.

[Ventus_a]

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:47:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Parker wrote:
There was one, it came 18th. in the open class.

18th place lists an ASH-31mi, not an ASH-30.

Who built the top open class wings?
In top 12 (roughly top third):
5 JS-1 (Jonkers)
4 EB (Binder)
3 Antares 23E/Quintus (Lange)

See ya, Dave

I see the top six places in open were the German, British and French pilots, all at the top of their game

:-) Colin

[Steve Parker]

Yes, you are quite right, sorry.
I couldn't find an ASH 30 Mi on the British register. I don't know how
popular they are elsewhere.


At 15:37 10 August 2014, Dave Nadler wrote:
>On Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:47:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Parker wrote:
>> There was one, it came 18th. in the open class.
>
>18th place lists an ASH-31mi, not an ASH-30.
>
>Who built the top open class wings?
>In top 12 (roughly top third):
>5 JS-1 (Jonkers)
>4 EB (Binder)
>3 Antares 23E/Quintus (Lange)
>
>See ya, Dave
>

[John Galloway[_1_]]

Is it EASA Type Certified yet? Until a glider is the German
manufacturers can only build an agreed small number for local
use and those that can be exported to countries whose
authorities allow some sort of permit to fly.

In the pre-EASA transition era we could fly new types on BGA
permits in the UK until they were certified but not now. That's
why, for example, the ASG 29 is certified as an ASW 27-18,
which enabled so many to appear so quickly after its
introduction.

John Galloway



At 07:34 11 August 2014, Steve Parker wrote:
>Yes, you are quite right, sorry.
>I couldn't find an ASH 30 Mi on the British register. I don't
know ho
>popular they are elsewhere.
>
>
>At 15:37 10 August 2014, Dave Nadler wrote:
>>On Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:47:12 AM UTC-4, Steve
Parker wrote:
>>> There was one, it came 18th. in the open class.
>>
>>18th place lists an ASH-31mi, not an ASH-30.
>>
>>Who built the top open class wings?
>>In top 12 (roughly top third):
>>5 JS-1 (Jonkers)
>>4 EB (Binder)
>>3 Antares 23E/Quintus (Lange)
>>
>>See ya, Dave
>>
>
>

[Paul T[_4_]]

Why would you pay lots of money to fly an uncompetetive two seater in Open
Class? Schleichers 'white elephant.'

[waremark]

What makes you think it is not competitive?

[Ventus_a]

What makes you think it is not competitive?

Lack of good contest results when looking at Schleicher's website perhaps. If they aren't blowing it's trumpet then who is?

Colin

[waremark]

They have only just started delivering them. Since none were entered in the WGC it seems that no top pilots have yet acquired one. I would be interested to know how it compares to the EB28 (as a 2 seater with a proper back seat you would not expect the performance to be quite as good as the EB29). Since AS took so long between announcing it and starting to build any, I wondered whether they were waiting until they could make sure that it was at least as good as the Binder. Does anyone know how the price compares?

[Paul T[_4_]]

At 18:30 12 August 2014, waremark wrote:
>They have only just started delivering them. Since none were entered in
>the=
> WGC it seems that no top pilots have yet acquired one. I would be
>interest=
>ed to know how it compares to the EB28 (as a 2 seater with a proper back
>se=
>at you would not expect the performance to be quite as good as the EB29).
>S=
>ince AS took so long between announcing it and starting to build any, I
>won=
>dered whether they were waiting until they could make sure that it was at
>l=
>east as good as the Binder. Does anyone know how the price compares?
>

They spent a lot of money getting it through new EASA regs- not a
performance thing. If they sell over 50 I'll be suprised. They where
successful with the ASH25 - but misjudged the market by trying to produce a
direct replacement.

It ain't going to keep up with JS1C, EB29 or Quintus - so why buy one to
compete in Open class? It has too much wing area, too big a fuselage and
too low a wingloading to be competitive. As a recreational ship it maybe OK
- but then everyone is buying 20m two seaters - hence the rush to get the
ASG32 into production.