iGlide update for iPhone 6 (4.7 inch) and iPhone 6 plus (5.5 inch)

[Sean Fidler]

Just wondering what the timing of the next version of iGlide which will hopefully take advantage of the new iPhone 6 form factor.

I have been using iGlide more and more and really enjoy flying with it. Its UI is BY FAR the easiest.

Thanks in advance.

Sean
7T

[Sean Fidler]

This looks interesting: http://www.air-avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/air-glide-soaring-avionics

[Richard[_9_]]

On Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:30:07 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> This looks interesting: http://www.air-avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/air-glide-soaring-avionics

I have been flying with the Butterfly Vario Display S for several years and it is totally sunlight readable. It is as good as my Ultimate Le and Le57 screen. I believe the larger displays are the same technology as the Display S and will be excellent in the sun and vastly superior to the apple products. They new instruments are supposed to be available this winter.

http://www.craggyaero.com/butterfly.htm


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Andy K]

Who knows maybe the new instruments will support US contest rules right from the beginning.

By the way does anyone know if iGlide supports US rules?

AK



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:19:57 AM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:30:07 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
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[Sean Fidler]

Hmmm. What instruments/computers do not support US rules? What exactly is not supported?

iGlide has been great for me with US tasks (if that's what you mean). Statute miles, feet for start and finish heights, etc. Turn areas of up to 30 mile radius (check ;-)), etc.

[Andy K]

On Monday, September 15, 2014 12:15:15 AM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Hmmm. What instruments/computers do not support US rules? What exactly is not supported?
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> iGlide has been great for me with US tasks (if that's what you mean). Statute miles, feet for start and finish heights, etc. Turn areas of up to 30 mile radius (check ;-)), etc.

e.g. 2 min start, MAT task

[noel.wade]

One interesting thing no one has mentioned on this thread is the built-in barometer/pressure-sensor in the iPhone6. It raises some interesting possibilities for IGC logging and possibly some kind of certification by the IGC for badges/contests/records.

Air avionics and the iGlide software have a jump on the market when it comes to this particular feature.

Dedicated hardware still has some advantages; but the gap is narrowing every 6-9 months.

--Noel

[Bruce Hoult[_2_]]

On 2014-09-15 17:20:37 +0000, noel.wade said:

> One interesting thing no one has mentioned on this thread is the
> built-in barometer/pressure-sensor in the iPhone6. It raises some
> interesting possibilities for IGC logging and possibly some kind of
> certification by the IGC for badges/contests/records.

Yes, I've been waiting for that feature for years. Many Android phones
have had it for a while. Unfortunately I just this year upgraded from a
4 to 5s (skipping 4s and 5) so wasn't planning another purchase quite
yet...

Apple will no doubt have done their usual sterling job of simplifying
the programming interface so that you just ask for the height, and
they've already done the heavy lifting to calibrate the pressure
against a long term GPS height average (actually, you'd calibrate the
difference of them to be zero), and use the pressure for fast/fine
changes. And probably gone on from that to derive sea-level pressure
for the weather apps...

Hopefully the raw barometric pressure is available too.

[Sean Fidler]

The iPhone 6+ with iGlide (updated to use the new screen and hardware, barometric pressure, etc) would definitely be an economical and easy to use solution for cross country or racing navigation for pilots of all experience levels. I find the screen on my iPhone 5 to be bright enough. Hopefully the 6+ will be even brighter. The new barometric pressure sensor is probably very, very smart (perhaps better than what we have in existing loggers?) as it is mainly intended for the health app and in particular accurately measuring stair climbs and daily activity (it will also be important for health apps on the new Apple watch). Apple is under great pressure to catch up with and compete with Android phones in this area. I wonder if XC Soar has taken advantage of the barometric pressure sensors in the Android phones?

In terms of MATs I have been using an SN10 and an Oudie backup or iGlide (Perry). In terms of US rules 2 min under max start height, I simply use a stop watch and mechanical altimeter (cross referenced with SN10 altitude) with lots of buffer (2:30 to 3 min and usually 200 extra feet) to be safe from a penalty.

For MAT task "management" I have not learned of a flight computer that does a good job of automating the decision making process for choosing the right extra turnpoints (what do you recommend?). I simply estimate the choices manually and make the best choice I can based on key indicators. Choosing extra MAT turns is a very complex thing from a programming perspective. The computer can't see the clouds, other gliders (markers), can't see the terrain, towns, fields, etc. I would be skeptical of how a flight computer can support a MAT decision making process effectively. I would not trust or value the timing information or turnpoints recommendations said flight computer provides (I'm assuming one does this) in most cases. Anyway, for me, MAT tasks (not my favorite, I would much prefer pure Assigned Tasking with no complex time/distance "hocus pocus") are just about considering the key variables and making the "best guess" I can manually, often with a paper map. I'll add the turn(s) into the computer once I have made the general decision manually.

SIDENOTE: This guess we all make at the end of a MAT task (say we arrive at the last turn with 20 min to "kill") is a huge decision and can make or break the task for any given pilot. Perhaps this is "too huge" of a decision. This moment in a MAT can easily and drastically change the results (up to that point in the task) if the leaders make the wrong decision or the distance to the next available turnpoints does not work out as "cleanly" as it might for others behind. Just a few minutes or the nature of the nearby turnpoints (distance, terrain, cloud situation, etc) can make a massive difference in the final MAT task result. Of course the reverse can be true and it may work out perfectly for the leader and not for the trailers. I have actually won two task days I probably should not have for this very reason. Because of this, again, I would much prefer pure Assigned Tasks and think we need to fly a higher proportion of them (ATs not MATs) in the future. I feel ATs are are simply better tests. -END OF RANT

So, what am I missing? Have I set myself up for a ClearNav feature review :-)? Does the CN or perhaps the LX9000 handle MATs better? I'm guessing the LX 9000 does not support US rules?

Sean
7T

[kirk.stant]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:01:59 AM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:


> In terms of MATs I have been using an SN10 and an Oudie backup or iGlide (Perry). In terms of US rules 2 min under max start height, I simply use a stop watch and mechanical altimeter (cross referenced with SN10 altitude) with lots of buffer (2:30 to 3 min and usually 200 extra feet) to be safe from a penalty.

You do realize that the Oudie (SYM) has a nice little 2 minute below MSH before starting countdown timer? Makes the process hands off and painless...

Kirk
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[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:01:59 -0700, Sean Fidler wrote:

> I wonder if XC Soar has taken advantage of
> the barometric pressure sensors in the Android phones?
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I would be surprised if it hasn't.

At the start of this season I switched PNAs and moved LK8000 (originally
an XCSoar clone) onto a new Medion S3747, which has a trans-reflective
screen and a pressure sensor. As soon as I configured LK8000 to use the
pressure sensor it 'just used it' and has continued to do so ever since.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Sean Fidler]

I have a problem getting reliable altitude with the Oudie for some reason. It seems to drift up or down compared to mechanical altimeter and the SN10. The SN10 is fairly spot on so I trust it more than the Oudie. I need to do so e research on this problem for sure.

[SoaringXCellence]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:39:48 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> I have a problem getting reliable altitude with the Oudie for some reason.. It seems to drift up or down compared to mechanical altimeter and the SN10. The SN10 is fairly spot on so I trust it more than the Oudie. I need to do so e research on this problem for sure.

Sean,

Don't you have a V7? It can output directly to an Oudie with Baro data.

The XCSoar program is able to use the Android Baro data in all of the one's I've tried. I used to have a Samsung Note II that was great for XCS and had a Baro sensor. Seemed to match the in-aircraft altimeter pretty well.

Mike

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 4:01:59 PM UTC+1, Sean Fidler wrote:
> The new barometric pressure sensor is probably very, very smart (perhaps better than what we have in existing loggers?)

Not really 'better', since cost and size has priority in this application, but the accuracy should certainly be good enough for logging purposes. Minimum pressure is 300hpa (~30,000ft).

http://www.bosch-sensortec.com/en_GB/homepage/products_3/environmental_sensors_1/bmp280/bmp280

The reported sensor in the iPhone 6 is the BMP282. The performance is unlikely to be different from the above sensor.

> I wonder if XC Soar has taken advantage of the barometric pressure sensors in the Android phones?

Yes, if the device has a pressure sensor the pressure altitude will be recorded in the IGC file. There's also an audio variometer function (uncompensated), which is reportedly very good with recent Samsung phones.

[Sean Fidler]

Thanks. I had a V7 in my Lak17a, but that has been sold and now I have an ASG29 with an SN10. Considering options......

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:01:59 AM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:

> So, what am I missing? Have I set myself up for a ClearNav feature review :-)? Does the CN or perhaps the LX9000 handle MATs better?

CN plots a blue ellipse on the map that becomes visible during the later stages of a MAT. What the ellipse means is this: if you fly to any turnpoint inside the ellipse, then to the finish, you will be early. The ellipse updates continuously and accounts for wind, altitude, predicted thermal climb rate.

Evan Ludeman for CNi

[kirk.stant]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:12:00 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Thanks. I had a V7 in my Lak17a, but that has been sold and now I have an ASG29 with an SN10. Considering options......

I assume you have a PFlarm core? One cable hooks up the PF, SN10, and Oudie - you get flarm warnings on your SN10 and Oudie, and air data (vario, winds, altitude) from the SN10 to the Oudie. And the PFlarm GPS drives the SN10 and Oudie.

Works beautifully, totally plug and play. Cable from Cumulus.

Kirk

[Sean Fidler]

Thanks Evan and Kirk!

[Craig Funston]

On Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:15:15 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Hmmm. What instruments/computers do not support US rules? What exactly is not supported?
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> iGlide has been great for me with US tasks (if that's what you mean). Statute miles, feet for start and finish heights, etc. Turn areas of up to 30 mile radius (check ;-)), etc.

Sean,

Were you able to integrate the vario data from your V7 with the iGlide app using Air Connect? I know it will integrate with FLARM. If iGlide doesn't integrate with a vario is it still able to accurately estimate wind since it doesn't have airspeed input?

Thanks,
Craig

[glidergeek]

On Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:26:10 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Just wondering what the timing of the next version of iGlide which will hopefully take advantage of the new iPhone 6 form factor.
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I up graded my iPad 3 to IOS8 yesterday I just have Iglide lite, lost my airspace and any maps I've downloaded but not my way-point files but I can't see them either. As of this morning I still can't down load them.

[noel.wade]

You probably need to turn on Location Services in your iPhone system preferences. Then allow iGlide to use location services. IGlide seems to filter the available countries/maps based on your position (at least, in my testing).

--Noel

[glidergeek]

Is on still no Joy!

[Dave Springford]

Please see the Air Avionics support page at:

http://support.air-avionics.com/hc/de/articles/203540583-iOS-8-Installation-deletes-Map-Data

This is a known issue and the fix is given at the link above.

Dave Springford
www.foxonecorp.com

[jfitch]

On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:35:32 AM UTC-7, Glidergeek wrote:
> On Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:26:10 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
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The short story is you need to delete the app, then reload it. You will save yourself some time if prior to deleting you copy the Styles, Config, and Navbox_config (all .xml files) as well as the maps to your computer in iTunes prior to deleting the app so that you can restore all that easily. Deleting the app deletes all data, including those files. They will get recreated as defaults if not present on startup.

I had some trouble reinstalling the files (says incorporating new info but then crashes to home screen) but I just did it again several times and it finally worked.

[glidergeek]

Fixed

[glidergeek]

On Monday, September 22, 2014 at 5:17:33 PM UTC-7, Glidergeek wrote:
> Fixed

I'm trying to add files to Iglide lite on my Iphone 6 from ITunes in particular Cambridge .dat waypoint files. After adding them (yes I graduated to rocket scientist) thru Itunes,when I open Iglide on my Iphone 6 the Iglide app asks if I want to add new files. When I select Yes the app immediately closes. When I reopen the app and look for the files they are not there. Why?

[Bob Pasker]

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 4:11:45 PM UTC-4, Glidergeek wrote:
> On Monday, September 22, 2014 at 5:17:33 PM UTC-7, Glidergeek wrote:
> > Fixed
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> I'm trying to add files to Iglide lite on my Iphone 6 from ITunes in particular Cambridge .dat waypoint files. After adding them (yes I graduated to rocket scientist) thru Itunes,when I open Iglide on my Iphone 6 the Iglide app asks if I want to add new files. When I select Yes the app immediately closes. When I reopen the app and look for the files they are not there. Why?

they key phrase is "immediately closes". it measn the app is crashing.

[glidergeek]

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Bob Pasker wrote:
> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 4:11:45 PM UTC-4, Glidergeek wrote:
> > On Monday, September 22, 2014 at 5:17:33 PM UTC-7, Glidergeek wrote:
> > > Fixed
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> > I'm trying to add files to Iglide lite on my Iphone 6 from ITunes in particular Cambridge .dat waypoint files. After adding them (yes I graduated to rocket scientist) thru Itunes,when I open Iglide on my Iphone 6 the Iglide app asks if I want to add new files. When I select Yes the app immediately closes. When I reopen the app and look for the files they are not there. Why?
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> they key phrase is "immediately closes". it measn the app is crashing.

Delete it and reload it?

[John Carlyle]

It's a known bug. Air Avionics says a new release to fix the problem is forthcoming, so watch the Apple store. Meanwhile, you can add way points and airspace files by using DropBox instead of iTunes.

-John, Q3

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 4:24:54 PM UTC-4, Glidergeek wrote:
> On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Bob Pasker wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 4:11:45 PM UTC-4, Glidergeek wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 22, 2014 at 5:17:33 PM UTC-7, Glidergeek wrote:
> > > > Fixed
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> > > I'm trying to add files to Iglide lite on my Iphone 6 from ITunes in particular Cambridge .dat waypoint files. After adding them (yes I graduated to rocket scientist) thru Itunes,when I open Iglide on my Iphone 6 the Iglide app asks if I want to add new files. When I select Yes the app immediately closes. When I reopen the app and look for the files they are not there. Why?
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> > they key phrase is "immediately closes". it measn the app is crashing.
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> Delete it and reload it?

[Sean Fidler]

Craig,

I'm going to play with that in Tennessee next month. I'll let you know how it goes.

Sean