iPhone 6+ or Galaxy Note 4?

[Duster]

With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
Thanks,
Michael

[Christopher Bishop]

On Friday, October 17, 2014 7:15:51 AM UTC+1, Duster wrote:
> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael

Wait a couple more weeks and get a nexus 6, android for xcsoar.

[Dan Marotta]

Before you decide on either try to have a viewing in full sunlight to
see if they're, in fact, useful at all.

I had a Galaxy III for a while and found it next to useless in direct
sunlight. I made a sun shade from construction paper and tape and that
helped but, when the sun was behind me, the Galaxy III was useless. I
used my wife's Nexus 7 in my glider and found that it was readable in
sunlight, but just barely when the sun was behind me.

I have no experience with the Oudie but I lot of people like them.

I use a Dell Streak 5 which is fully readable in all lighting
conditions, including the sun over my shoulder. I like it so much, in
fact, that I bought a second one to keep as a spare for that inevitable
day when the one I fly with dies or gets stepped on. You can get them
brand new on Amazon for $100 and XCSoar and Tophat are free.

Dan Marotta

On 10/17/2014 12:15 AM, Duster wrote:
> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
> Thanks,
> Michael

[jfitch]

On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:15:51 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael

Depends on what software you want to run? Certainly there are more programs available for Android, however iGlide only runs on the iPhone and makes the others look two decades dated.

[Bruce Hoult[_2_]]

On 2014-10-17 16:22:31 +0000, jfitch said:

> On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:15:51 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
>> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the
>> Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for
>> running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>
> Depends on what software you want to run? Certainly there are more
> programs available for Android, however iGlide only runs on the iPhone
> and makes the others look two decades dated.

Wow, that's pricey!!

OK, it's cheaper than the iPhone, let alone the glider. And I'm sure
the market is small and the developer needs to buy groceries...

Does it work only from the internal sensors (e.g. GPS), or can it
receive info from airspeed, heading, vario etc? If so, how?

[jfitch]

On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:13:28 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> On 2014-10-17 16:22:31 +0000, jfitch said:
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> > On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:15:51 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
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> >> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the
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> >> Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for
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> >> running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
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> >> Thanks,
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> >> Michael
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> > Depends on what software you want to run? Certainly there are more
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> > programs available for Android, however iGlide only runs on the iPhone
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> > and makes the others look two decades dated.
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> Wow, that's pricey!!
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> OK, it's cheaper than the iPhone, let alone the glider. And I'm sure
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> the market is small and the developer needs to buy groceries...
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> Does it work only from the internal sensors (e.g. GPS), or can it
>
> receive info from airspeed, heading, vario etc? If so, how?

iGlide will work with the internal GPS, maybe in the future it might use the barometric sensor in the iPhone 6 though one shouldn't expect great vario performance from that.

But you can connect it to your other instruments one way or another. With a Butterfly vario, via WiFi. With other instruments, via the Air Avionics (Butterfly) Air Connect, which creates a WiFi connection from your standard 9 pin serial NMEA stream. Or buy Air's black box sensor/recorder Air Sens which also includes the WiFi interface (but I don't think gives you variometer functions?).

For navigation and most glide calculations the internal GPS alone does an OK job. Connected to your other systems you get barographic glide calculations, Flarm leeching display, thermal assistant, etc. Price is a bit cheaper than SYM, even for the Pro version, eh? No other software even comes close to the user interface.

[Craig Funston]

On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:13:28 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
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> > receive info from airspeed, heading, vario etc? If so, how?
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> iGlide will work with the internal GPS, maybe in the future it might use the barometric sensor in the iPhone 6 though one shouldn't expect great vario performance from that.
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> But you can connect it to your other instruments one way or another. With a Butterfly vario, via WiFi. With other instruments, via the Air Avionics (Butterfly) Air Connect, which creates a WiFi connection from your standard 9 pin serial NMEA stream. Or buy Air's black box sensor/recorder Air Sens which also includes the WiFi interface (but I don't think gives you variometer functions?).
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> For navigation and most glide calculations the internal GPS alone does an OK job. Connected to your other systems you get barographic glide calculations, Flarm leeching display, thermal assistant, etc. Price is a bit cheaper than SYM, even for the Pro version, eh? No other software even comes close to the user interface.

Is the iPhone 6 plus display easily readable in strong sunlight?

Thanks,
Craig

[jfitch]

On Friday, October 17, 2014 2:59:02 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:
> On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
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> > On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:13:28 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
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> > But you can connect it to your other instruments one way or another. With a Butterfly vario, via WiFi. With other instruments, via the Air Avionics (Butterfly) Air Connect, which creates a WiFi connection from your standard 9 pin serial NMEA stream. Or buy Air's black box sensor/recorder Air Sens which also includes the WiFi interface (but I don't think gives you variometer functions?).
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> > For navigation and most glide calculations the internal GPS alone does an OK job. Connected to your other systems you get barographic glide calculations, Flarm leeching display, thermal assistant, etc. Price is a bit cheaper than SYM, even for the Pro version, eh? No other software even comes close to the user interface.
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> Is the iPhone 6 plus display easily readable in strong sunlight?
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> Thanks,
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> Craig

Good question. I haven't been able to find one to look. The brightness specs are the same as the 5s, but the contrast specs are better. I have found the 5s to be marginal in direct sun, and unreadable if there are reflections in the direct sun. Somewhat better if you turn off terrain. Not as bright as the Avier/OudieII, but brighter than the iPaq 39xx. The screen on the iPhone is MUCH higher resolution than the Avier/Oudie, but physically smaller until you get a 6 or 6 plus. The larger size cannot hurt. It is not a transflective like the Dell.

[[email protected]]

While not about the iPhone directly, I would still suggest checking out the Kobo e-reader option. The display is black and white but it is always readable in flight, no matter what the sun direction is. You can put the "system" together for under $100. Kobo Mini's are out of production but still around for $60, A GPS chip is around $30, and the wiring is up to you or your local computer repair shop. Runs XCSoar or Top Hat.

For me readability in flight is a top priority, and you can always read a book on it.
http://www.50k-or-bust.com/Kobo%20XCSoar/Kobo%20XCSoar%20Hardware%20Notes%2001.pdf

Gary

[Duster]

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:34:44 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> While not about the iPhone directly, I would still suggest checking out the Kobo e-reader option. The display is black and white but it is always readable in flight, no matter what the sun direction is. You can put the "system" together for under $100. Kobo Mini's are out of production but still around for $60, A GPS chip is around $30, and the wiring is up to you or your local computer repair shop. Runs XCSoar or Top Hat.
>
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> For me readability in flight is a top priority, and you can always read a book on it.
>
> http://www.50k-or-bust.com/Kobo%20XCSoar/Kobo%20XCSoar%20Hardware%20Notes%2001.pdf
>
>
>
> Gary

Below is a partial list of devices and their measured brightness of at least 400 "nits" obtained from "phonearena.com" and passed on by a kind XCSoar folk. -Michael

BlackBerry Q5 912
BlackBerry Passport 894
Nokia Lumia 720 740
BlackBerry Z10 739
Sony Xperia Z3 713
Nokia Lumia 1520 707
Samsung Galaxy NotePRO 12.2 627
Nokia Lumia 620 623
Kyocera Brigadier 610
Apple iPhone 6 606
Google Nexus 7 (2013) 591
Apple iPhone 5s 587
HTC Desire 700 577
Apple iPhone 6 Plus 574
Sony Xperia T3 569
Amazon Fire Phone 566
Meizu MX4 535
Apple iPhone 5 535
HTC One (E8) 524
Nokia Lumia 1320 521
Sony Xperia Z1 Compact 515
HTC One (M8) for Windows 514
HTC Butterfly 2 510
Sony Xperia T2 Ultra 508
HTC Desire 601 503
Sony Xperia Z1 495
Alcatel OneTouch Hero 495
Samsung Galaxy S5 Active 491
HTC One (M8) 490
Sony Xperia SP 490
HTC One mini 2 489
Alcatel OneTouch Idol Alpha 486
Google Nexus 5 485
Huawei Ascend Mate7 484
Sony Xperia C 480
HTC One mini 480
HTC One max 469
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 468
Huawei Ascend P7 463
Xiaomi Mi-3 463
Sony Xperia M2 461
HTC One 460
Sony Xperia Z2 458
HTC Desire 500 458
Samsung Galaxy Grand 2 458
Huawei Ascend Mate 2 4G 457
OPPO Find 7a 455
LG G3 455
OPPO R819 453
Apple iPad mini 2 450
OnePlus One 447
Alcatel OneTouch Idol X+ 447
Samsung Galaxy S5 442
ZTE ZMAX 441
HTC Desire 300 441
Nokia Lumia 635 440
Sony Xperia Z 440
Sony Xperia M 438
LG G2 438
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact 436
Alcatel OneTouch Idol X 431
Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) 430
Samsung Galaxy Mega 5.8 430
Motorola Moto G 429
Samsung Galaxy S4 Active 427
Google Nexus 4 427
Apple iPad Air 426
GIGABYTE GSmart Guru 426
GIGABYTE GSmart Roma R2 425
Sony Xperia Z Ultra 425
OPPO N1 423
Samsung Galaxy Alpha 422
LG G Pro 2 420
Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 419
HTC Desire 501 418
Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet 417
Acer Liquid S1 411
Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 410
HTC Desire 600 410
Sony Xperia L 410
Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8-inch 408
Samsung Galaxy Trend Plus 405
Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1-inch 402
HTC One X+ 400

[Dan Marotta]

If it's XCSoar you want to run, you can always research hardware here:
http://www.xcsoar.org/hardware/

This should also be valid for Top Hat.

Dan Marotta

On 10/19/2014 9:20 AM, Duster wrote:
> BlackBerry Q5 912
> BlackBerry Passport 894
> Nokia Lumia 720 740
> BlackBerry Z10 739
> Sony Xperia Z3 713
> Nokia Lumia 1520 707
> Samsung Galaxy NotePRO 12.2 627
> Nokia Lumia 620 623
> Kyocera Brigadier 610
> Apple iPhone 6 606
> Google Nexus 7 (2013) 591
> Apple iPhone 5s 587
> HTC Desire 700 577
> Apple iPhone 6 Plus 574
> Sony Xperia T3 569
> Amazon Fire Phone 566
> Meizu MX4 535
> Apple iPhone 5 535
> HTC One (E8) 524
> Nokia Lumia 1320 521
> Sony Xperia Z1 Compact 515
> HTC One (M8) for Windows 514
> HTC Butterfly 2 510
> Sony Xperia T2 Ultra 508
> HTC Desire 601 503
> Sony Xperia Z1 495
> Alcatel OneTouch Hero 495
> Samsung Galaxy S5 Active 491
> HTC One (M8) 490
> Sony Xperia SP 490
> HTC One mini 2 489
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol Alpha 486
> Google Nexus 5 485
> Huawei Ascend Mate7 484
> Sony Xperia C 480
> HTC One mini 480
> HTC One max 469
> Samsung Galaxy Note 4 468
> Huawei Ascend P7 463
> Xiaomi Mi-3 463
> Sony Xperia M2 461
> HTC One 460
> Sony Xperia Z2 458
> HTC Desire 500 458
> Samsung Galaxy Grand 2 458
> Huawei Ascend Mate 2 4G 457
> OPPO Find 7a 455
> LG G3 455
> OPPO R819 453
> Apple iPad mini 2 450
> OnePlus One 447
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol X+ 447
> Samsung Galaxy S5 442
> ZTE ZMAX 441
> HTC Desire 300 441
> Nokia Lumia 635 440
> Sony Xperia Z 440
> Sony Xperia M 438
> LG G2 438
> Sony Xperia Z3 Compact 436
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol X 431
> Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) 430
> Samsung Galaxy Mega 5.8 430
> Motorola Moto G 429
> Samsung Galaxy S4 Active 427
> Google Nexus 4 427
> Apple iPad Air 426
> GIGABYTE GSmart Guru 426
> GIGABYTE GSmart Roma R2 425
> Sony Xperia Z Ultra 425
> OPPO N1 423
> Samsung Galaxy Alpha 422
> LG G Pro 2 420
> Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 419
> HTC Desire 501 418
> Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet 417
> Acer Liquid S1 411
> Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 410
> HTC Desire 600 410
> Sony Xperia L 410
> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8-inch 408
> Samsung Galaxy Trend Plus 405
> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1-inch 402
> HTC One X+ 400

[Richard[_9_]]

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:20:10 AM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
> On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:34:44 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> > While not about the iPhone directly, I would still suggest checking out the Kobo e-reader option. The display is black and white but it is always readable in flight, no matter what the sun direction is. You can put the "system" together for under $100. Kobo Mini's are out of production but still around for $60, A GPS chip is around $30, and the wiring is up to you or your local computer repair shop. Runs XCSoar or Top Hat.
>
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> > For me readability in flight is a top priority, and you can always read a book on it.
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> > http://www.50k-or-bust.com/Kobo%20XCSoar/Kobo%20XCSoar%20Hardware%20Notes%2001.pdf
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> > Gary
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> Below is a partial list of devices and their measured brightness of at least 400 "nits" obtained from "phonearena.com" and passed on by a kind XCSoar folk. -Michael
>
>
>
> BlackBerry Q5 912
>
> BlackBerry Passport 894
>
> Nokia Lumia 720 740
>
> BlackBerry Z10 739
>
> Sony Xperia Z3 713
>
> Nokia Lumia 1520 707
>
> Samsung Galaxy NotePRO 12.2 627
>
> Nokia Lumia 620 623
>
> Kyocera Brigadier 610
>
> Apple iPhone 6 606
>
> Google Nexus 7 (2013) 591
>
> Apple iPhone 5s 587
>
> HTC Desire 700 577
>
> Apple iPhone 6 Plus 574
>
> Sony Xperia T3 569
>
> Amazon Fire Phone 566
>
> Meizu MX4 535
>
> Apple iPhone 5 535
>
> HTC One (E8) 524
>
> Nokia Lumia 1320 521
>
> Sony Xperia Z1 Compact 515
>
> HTC One (M8) for Windows 514
>
> HTC Butterfly 2 510
>
> Sony Xperia T2 Ultra 508
>
> HTC Desire 601 503
>
> Sony Xperia Z1 495
>
> Alcatel OneTouch Hero 495
>
> Samsung Galaxy S5 Active 491
>
> HTC One (M8) 490
>
> Sony Xperia SP 490
>
> HTC One mini 2 489
>
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol Alpha 486
>
> Google Nexus 5 485
>
> Huawei Ascend Mate7 484
>
> Sony Xperia C 480
>
> HTC One mini 480
>
> HTC One max 469
>
> Samsung Galaxy Note 4 468
>
> Huawei Ascend P7 463
>
> Xiaomi Mi-3 463
>
> Sony Xperia M2 461
>
> HTC One 460
>
> Sony Xperia Z2 458
>
> HTC Desire 500 458
>
> Samsung Galaxy Grand 2 458
>
> Huawei Ascend Mate 2 4G 457
>
> OPPO Find 7a 455
>
> LG G3 455
>
> OPPO R819 453
>
> Apple iPad mini 2 450
>
> OnePlus One 447
>
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol X+ 447
>
> Samsung Galaxy S5 442
>
> ZTE ZMAX 441
>
> HTC Desire 300 441
>
> Nokia Lumia 635 440
>
> Sony Xperia Z 440
>
> Sony Xperia M 438
>
> LG G2 438
>
> Sony Xperia Z3 Compact 436
>
> Alcatel OneTouch Idol X 431
>
> Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) 430
>
> Samsung Galaxy Mega 5.8 430
>
> Motorola Moto G 429
>
> Samsung Galaxy S4 Active 427
>
> Google Nexus 4 427
>
> Apple iPad Air 426
>
> GIGABYTE GSmart Guru 426
>
> GIGABYTE GSmart Roma R2 425
>
> Sony Xperia Z Ultra 425
>
> OPPO N1 423
>
> Samsung Galaxy Alpha 422
>
> LG G Pro 2 420
>
> Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 419
>
> HTC Desire 501 418
>
> Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet 417
>
> Acer Liquid S1 411
>
> Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 410
>
> HTC Desire 600 410
>
> Sony Xperia L 410
>
> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8-inch 408
>
> Samsung Galaxy Trend Plus 405
>
> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1-inch 402
>
> HTC One X+ 400

Unfortunately brightness has little to do with sunlight readability of a color screen. The contrast ratio, lack of a touch overlay and the specialized coatings are the features that make a display sunlight readable.

Brightness of 1500 + nits is required to over come poor sunlight readable design and even then it appears washed out compared to a properly designed display.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Surge]

On Friday, 17 October 2014 08:15:51 UTC+2, Duster wrote:
> With the larger-format 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus coming out to match the Galaxy Note 4, which of those two do glider pilots recommend for running common navigation software? ...or other pluses/minuses?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael

Besides the screen brightness, there are a few other questions I'd ask such as:

1. If also intend using the phone for every day use, which of the two eco systems do you want to tie yourself into? Apple's payware, do-it-our-way-only system or the more flexible, more open Android eco system?

2. Does Apple cover accidental damage?
With Samsung you get also get two free, no questions asked, free repairs for accidental screen or water damage. (ADH Premium)

3. Battery life. Not having to use external power saves on the expense and hassle of extra cabling and an external power source to keep the device running. The Note 4 has a significant advantage over the iPhone 6 in terms of battery life.
I use the Note 2 with XCSoar and from a full charge I get 8.5 hours of continuous use which is longer than I plan to stay in the air for.

[[email protected]]

The kobi e readers (at least some of them) are compatible with xc soar. Shouldn't e readers be a smart way to go with the lower battery use and very little disadvantage with black and white? Has anyone tried any other eReaders with xc soar? I imagine most E readers really are not built to operate in direct sunlight, same as phones/tablets but there could be some exceptions.

The dell streak 5" is around 300 dollars now.

[krasw]

On Monday, 27 March 2017 12:01:14 UTC+3, wrote:
> The kobi e readers (at least some of them) are compatible with xc soar. Shouldn't e readers be a smart way to go with the lower battery use and very little disadvantage with black and white? Has anyone tried any other eReaders with xc soar? I imagine most E readers really are not built to operate in direct sunlight, same as phones/tablets but there could be some exceptions.
>
> The dell streak 5" is around 300 dollars now.

Yes and no, sunlight readability is best around, but they have problem with slow screen update, watching animated map can be pain sometimes. I tried Koko Glo HD and returned it immediately, the XCSoar did not support it (then) properly, while comments on XCSoar forum lead me to believe that was the case. Lesson learned.

Specs for good gliding computer dislay are here:

- Colour display
- Over 1000 nits brightness (readability has everything to do with this, not contrast)
- Matte screen surface, unless you need a mirror in cockpit
- Touch screen

Good luck finding something that has these all.

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:21:22 -0700, krasw wrote:

> Specs for good gliding computer dislay are here:
>
> - Colour display - Over 1000 nits brightness (readability has everything
> to do with this, not contrast)
> - Matte screen surface, unless you need a mirror in cockpit - Touch
> screen
>
The best I've used is a Medion S3747, which has a transreflective colour
display and is compatible with LK8000 (and so should be fine with XCSoar).

Its readable with full sunlight directly on its face and has an 800 mAh,
swappable battery and is very well made. It has a 3.5" display, which
suits me fine (Libelle driver, so no easy way to hang a PNA off the side
of the panel).

IMO they're worth grabbing if you can find one. Picture here, positioned
in apple tree for cuteness rather than to show sunlight readability:
http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/pna/



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[Surge]

On Monday, 27 March 2017 12:53:54 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> The best I've used is a Medion S3747, which has a transreflective colour
> display and is compatible with LK8000 (and so should be fine with XCSoar).

Support for Windows CE has been dropped from XCSoar in version 7 and higher.
You can still run the older versions on CE though.
I find it hard to believe devices running Windows CE are still being sold.

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 04:39:56 -0700, Surge wrote:

> On Monday, 27 March 2017 12:53:54 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> The best I've used is a Medion S3747, which has a transreflective
>> colour display and is compatible with LK8000 (and so should be fine
>> with XCSoar).
>
> Support for Windows CE has been dropped from XCSoar in version 7 and
> higher.
> You can still run the older versions on CE though.
> I find it hard to believe devices running Windows CE are still being
> sold.

None of the WinCE/WinMobile PNAs have been on sale since shortly after MS
dropped support for WinMobile (soon after Windows 8 was released IIRC)
but, like the Streak, they can still be found on eBay etc.

I'm still wondering what I'll use next: possibly something based on a
RaspberryPi Zero. The only problem is that available COTS touch screens
may not be usable in bright sunlight.


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[Tom BravoMike]

I have been using the Galaxy Note 4 with CAI302/XCSoar for some time now and IT IS sunlight readable (with sunglasses on). Note 5 is said to be still better, and the fatal Galaxy Note 7, which I could use for few days before recall, was simply sensational with its double light sensors (front and rear, and thus not changing the brightness all the time in circling in a thermal) and reaching 1000 nits.

This coming Wednesday, March 29, Samsung will present the new Galaxy S8, which in the 'plus' version is expected to have a 6.2" display. Later in the year the Note 8 is expected to have 6.4" display. Let's save money and wait, while the old Note 4 is still working, with cheap replacement OEM batteries ($18).

Tom BravoMike

[Dan Marotta]

Here's one on Ebay for $65:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-Dell-Streak-7-16GB-Wi-Fi-4G-Unlocked-7in-Black-W-Accessories-5-/122411664061?hash=item1c804dc2bd:g:E4YAAOSwuLZYy3k 3

On 3/27/2017 3:01 AM, wrote:
> The kobi e readers (at least some of them) are compatible with xc soar. Shouldn't e readers be a smart way to go with the lower battery use and very little disadvantage with black and white? Has anyone tried any other eReaders with xc soar? I imagine most E readers really are not built to operate in direct sunlight, same as phones/tablets but there could be some exceptions.
>
> The dell streak 5" is around 300 dollars now.

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[Dan Marotta]

Oops, just noticed it's a Streak 7. I wouldn't buy one of those...

You could bid on this one, however:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dell-Mini-Streak-5-Factory-UNLOCKED-GSM-Smartphone-For-All-GSM-Networks-/112343954464?hash=item1a2838b420:g:-MgAAOSwol5YxUBI

On 3/27/2017 10:28 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Here's one on Ebay for $65:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-Dell-Streak-7-16GB-Wi-Fi-4G-Unlocked-7in-Black-W-Accessories-5-/122411664061?hash=item1c804dc2bd:g:E4YAAOSwuLZYy3k 3
>
> On 3/27/2017 3:01 AM, wrote:
>> The kobi e readers (at least some of them) are compatible with xc
>> soar. Shouldn't e readers be a smart way to go with the lower
>> battery use and very little disadvantage with black and white? Has
>> anyone tried any other eReaders with xc soar? I imagine most E
>> readers really are not built to operate in direct sunlight, same as
>> phones/tablets but there could be some exceptions.
>>
>> The dell streak 5" is around 300 dollars now.
>

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I flew for 2 seasons with a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 and it was fully sunshine readable even with Polarized sunglasses on. It was much brighter than any Apple product I held it up to in daylight.
I would recommend the Note 4 for screen visibility, the screen color & responsiveness were great - even complex terrain but also because you can use USB on the Go (OTG)to transfer flight recordings and data via USB thumb drives or just email the trace directly to the scorer/upload to OLC.
I used the Bluetooth with a K6 bluetooth unit and a cambridge 302 then later directly to an LXNav S100 vario with built in bluetooth. The WiFi works good too.

I know you can get cheap old tech Dells, but why not have 32gig of memory, a very fast video graphics display and fast processor - won't go obsolete as quick as a Dell Streak. The note 4 could do everything you want from XCsoar and other programs, and even use the built in pressure sensor and gyros if you prefer as a backup.

Chris

[6PK]

On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 2:21:25 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> On Monday, 27 March 2017 12:01:14 UTC+3, wrote:
> > The kobi e readers (at least some of them) are compatible with xc soar. Shouldn't e readers be a smart way to go with the lower battery use and very little disadvantage with black and white? Has anyone tried any other eReaders with xc soar? I imagine most E readers really are not built to operate in direct sunlight, same as phones/tablets but there could be some exceptions.
> >
> > The dell streak 5" is around 300 dollars now.
>
> Yes and no, sunlight readability is best around, but they have problem with slow screen update, watching animated map can be pain sometimes. I tried Koko Glo HD and returned it immediately, the XCSoar did not support it (then) properly, while comments on XCSoar forum lead me to believe that was the case. Lesson learned.
>
> Specs for good gliding computer dislay are here:
>
> - Colour display
> - Over 1000 nits brightness (readability has everything to do with this, not contrast)
> - Matte screen surface, unless you need a mirror in cockpit
> - Touch screen
>
> Good luck finding something that has these all.

I have been running the Kobo Glo with TopHat ( XCSoar hybrid) without any of the issues described above. I have it connected to a ClearNav digital XC vario.