OLC CAMP AT MORIARTY, NM, JUNE 1 TO JUNE 15, 2014

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Sundance Aviation, in conjunction with the Albuquerque Soaring Club, will conduct a cross-country soaring camp from June 1st through June 15th. The soaring conditions at Moriarty, 0E0 (zero-echo-zero) are known and respected worldwide and tend to peak during June. Moriarty pilots have placed in the top ten worldwide from 2008 through 2013 for distance and no lower than 5th in the OLC League Speed rankings with 4 first place finishes. As an airfield Moriarty consistently ranks in the top 20 worldwide for speed and distance. Between Sundance Aviation and the Albuquerque Soaring Club there are five powerful towplanes available. At an elevation of 6200 feet ASL the paved main runway 08/26 is 7700 feet long and 75 feet wide. The crosswind runway 18/36 is 6200 feet by 75 feet of brand new pavement. The gigantic intersection Delta on 08/26 allows simultaneous staging of many gliders and is suitable for both east and west fully ballasted operations. The intersection also allows multiple gliders to land in rapid sequence giving each a safe place to coast off the runway. Two runways guarantee a maximum 45 degree crosswind and provide for multiple simultaneous landings in light winds. There is a large paved tie-down ramp with cables on a first come, first served basis and plenty of trailer parking. Pilots should provide their own tie downs ropes or straps for best results. Ballast water is available from multiple points on the field and free wi-fi is available in the Terminal building adjacent to the ramp and a bathroom with shower. There are two glider repair shops on the field and multiple A&Ps and IAs. Other airport tenants provide full machining, welding, and composite fabrication facilities for aircraft, gliders and trailers. Weather that accommodate any soaring ambition and airspace restrictions that are few and distant allowing for the maximum freedom to pursue any soaring ambition.

Due to the already high take-off elevation of 6200 feet and June cloud bases well above 18,000 feet every glider must have oxygen equipment in good working condition. Oxygen refills are available on the field at a moderate cost. Oxygen refill systems are on carts so gliders may be serviced anywhere on the field. Pilots are encouraged to use glider ground handling equipment in good condition due to the large size of the airfield. A landing on runway 36 results in a retrieve of almost two miles back to the main staging area.

Moriarty is located on historic Route 66 and boasts 9 motels, three truck stops and several restaurants. It is located in the center of the state 45-50 minutes from Albuquerque and Santa Fe. There are many other interesting places to visit within one hour of Moriarty including the Quarai Ruins, Salt Mission Trail, Single Action Shooting Society Founders Ranch, Santa Rosa Blue Hole, Conchas Lake State Park, The Sangre DeCristo, Sandia, Manzano, Ortiz, and San Pedro, and Mountains, Paa Ko Golf Course, Wildlife West Nature Park, The towns of Cerrillos, Galisteo and Madrid, and many others. There is plenty of room for camping at the airport but hook-ups are not available..

The purpose of the camp is to accommodate pilots from every skill and experience level allowing each pilot to pursue his or her soaring dreams from basic FAI badge flying to long and fast OLC flights to pursuit of State and National records. Pilots new to cross country soaring will be introduced to preflight planning, flying techniques, and post-flight debriefing of flights for submission to the Online Contest or successful completion of FAI badges. Each day will start with a pilots meeting to discuss safety, weather, and issues unique to flying at Moriarty. Local experienced mentors familiar with the soaring conditions in the general area will be available for lead-follow flying as desired by attendees. Mentors will be assigned to attendees based on the attendees responses to a questionnaire that will be submitted as part of registration. The assignments will take into account the attendees equipment, experience level and desired goals from the camp.

The non-refundable fee for the event will be $150.00 for early registration prior to March 1, 2015 increasing to $200.00 thereafter. Tows will be available from Sundance Aviation and supplemented by the Albuquerque Soaring Club at Sundance tow rates (see www.soarsundance.com). Evening debriefings will be scheduled to analyze and view flights using SeeYou accompanied by adult beverages from the local brewery. Gas grills will be available for bring-your-own-meat style dinners. Pilots may attend any portion of the event they wish and by registering early with the dates they will attend organizers will be able to properly schedule towplanes and personnel to ensure a quality experience. Moriarty is truly a rare place in soaring where it is possible to combine a family vacation with some extraordinary flying - and running the camp over 15 days makes that practical.

For information and registration contact: or
505-832-5072 505-832-2222

[Mike the Strike]

I was planning on coming in June anyway!

Every cross-country soaring location should have two repair stations and a brewery! (Nephi, take note!)

Mike

[Dan Marotta]

Well done, Billy! I think you said it all...

Dan Marotta

On 11/7/2014 4:12 PM, wrote:
> Sundance Aviation, in conjunction with the Albuquerque Soaring Club, will conduct a cross-country soaring camp from June 1st through June 15th. The soaring conditions at Moriarty, 0E0 (zero-echo-zero) are known and respected worldwide and tend to peak during June. Moriarty pilots have placed in the top ten worldwide from 2008 through 2013 for distance and no lower than 5th in the OLC League Speed rankings with 4 first place finishes. As an airfield Moriarty consistently ranks in the top 20 worldwide for speed and distance. Between Sundance Aviation and the Albuquerque Soaring Club there are five powerful towplanes available. At an elevation of 6200 feet ASL the paved main runway 08/26 is 7700 feet long and 75 feet wide. The crosswind runway 18/36 is 6200 feet by 75 feet of brand new pavement. The gigantic intersection Delta on 08/26 allows simultaneous staging of many gliders and is suitable for both east and west fully ballasted operations. The intersection also allows multiple gliders to land in rapid sequence giving each a safe place to coast off the runway. Two runways guarantee a maximum 45 degree crosswind and provide for multiple simultaneous landings in light winds. There is a large paved tie-down ramp with cables on a first come, first served basis and plenty of trailer parking. Pilots should provide their own tie downs ropes or straps for best results. Ballast water is available from multiple points on the field and free wi-fi is available in the Terminal building adjacent to the ramp and a bathroom with shower. There are two glider repair shops on the field and multiple A&Ps and IAs. Other airport tenants provide full machining, welding, and composite fabrication facilities for aircraft, gliders and trailers. Weather that accommodate any soaring ambition and airspace restrictions that are few and distant allowing for the maximum freedom to pursue any soaring ambition.
>
> Due to the already high take-off elevation of 6200 feet and June cloud bases well above 18,000 feet every glider must have oxygen equipment in good working condition. Oxygen refills are available on the field at a moderate cost. Oxygen refill systems are on carts so gliders may be serviced anywhere on the field. Pilots are encouraged to use glider ground handling equipment in good condition due to the large size of the airfield. A landing on runway 36 results in a retrieve of almost two miles back to the main staging area.
>
> Moriarty is located on historic Route 66 and boasts 9 motels, three truck stops and several restaurants. It is located in the center of the state 45-50 minutes from Albuquerque and Santa Fe. There are many other interesting places to visit within one hour of Moriarty including the Quarai Ruins, Salt Mission Trail, Single Action Shooting Society Founders Ranch, Santa Rosa Blue Hole, Conchas Lake State Park, The Sangre DeCristo, Sandia, Manzano, Ortiz, and San Pedro, and Mountains, Paa Ko Golf Course, Wildlife West Nature Park, The towns of Cerrillos, Galisteo and Madrid, and many others. There is plenty of room for camping at the airport but hook-ups are not available.
>
> The purpose of the camp is to accommodate pilots from every skill and experience level allowing each pilot to pursue his or her soaring dreams from basic FAI badge flying to long and fast OLC flights to pursuit of State and National records. Pilots new to cross country soaring will be introduced to preflight planning, flying techniques, and post-flight debriefing of flights for submission to the Online Contest or successful completion of FAI badges. Each day will start with a pilots meeting to discuss safety, weather, and issues unique to flying at Moriarty. Local experienced mentors familiar with the soaring conditions in the general area will be available for lead-follow flying as desired by attendees. Mentors will be assigned to attendees based on the attendees responses to a questionnaire that will be submitted as part of registration. The assignments will take into account the attendees equipment, experience level and desired goals from the camp.
>
> The non-refundable fee for the event will be $150.00 for early registration prior to March 1, 2015 increasing to $200.00 thereafter. Tows will be available from Sundance Aviation and supplemented by the Albuquerque Soaring Club at Sundance tow rates (see www.soarsundance.com). Evening debriefings will be scheduled to analyze and view flights using SeeYou accompanied by adult beverages from the local brewery. Gas grills will be available for bring-your-own-meat style dinners. Pilots may attend any portion of the event they wish and by registering early with the dates they will attend organizers will be able to properly schedule towplanes and personnel to ensure a quality experience. Moriarty is truly a rare place in soaring where it is possible to combine a family vacation with some extraordinary flying - and running the camp over 15 days makes that practical.
>
> For information and registration contact: or
> 505-832-5072 505-832-2222

[Ramy[_2_]]

Great to see other places taking notes from Nephi. I think OLC camps are a fantastic idea and I can't imagine better place than Moriarty and Nephi (Minden should consider this as well).
I hope flam will be encouraged and that all participants will fly with PowerFlarms assuming large number. Personally I would only consider this if all gliders are flarm equipped. After sharing the sky with 65 flarm equipped gliders at Nephi last year I would not do this without It.

Ramy

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Actually Steve Hill deserves credit for the final version of this post which in turn was tweaked by Bob Hudson before it was submitted to RAS.

[[email protected]]

On Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:31:06 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
> Great to see other places taking notes from Nephi. I think OLC camps are a fantastic idea and I can't imagine better place than Moriarty and Nephi (Minden should consider this as well).
> I hope flam will be encouraged and that all participants will fly with PowerFlarms assuming large number. Personally I would only consider this if all gliders are flarm equipped. After sharing the sky with 65 flarm equipped gliders at Nephi last year I would not do this without It.
>
> Ramy

Ramy-

Flarm is great but I wouldn't let some ships sans-Flarm keep you away. Additionally, Xponders might be even more useful at 0e0.

Best Regards,

Gary Osoba

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:33:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:31:06 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
> > Great to see other places taking notes from Nephi. I think OLC camps are a fantastic idea and I can't imagine better place than Moriarty and Nephi (Minden should consider this as well).
> > I hope flam will be encouraged and that all participants will fly with PowerFlarms assuming large number. Personally I would only consider this if all gliders are flarm equipped. After sharing the sky with 65 flarm equipped gliders at Nephi last year I would not do this without It.
> >
> > Ramy
>
> Ramy-
>
> Flarm is great but I wouldn't let some ships sans-Flarm keep you away. Additionally, Xponders might be even more useful at 0e0.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Gary Osoba

Transponder is most useful IF you plan to spend a lot of time hanging around near the ABQ approach/departure corridors AND if less than around 10 gliders attend. If you have more than 10 gliders, Flarm is the better bet. If you have several dozen gliders participating pilots should consider Flarm essential - especially if there are cu. Cu are magnets for glider traffic and at 17,999' the TAS at cruise makes fast converging collision threats nearly impossible to pick up in time. Ask pilots who've flown the Nephi event. They learned a lot about what happens in real-world conditions at XC events with lots of gliders.

You can always equip with both of course.

9B

[Dan Marotta]

I would like to clarify that, at Moriarty, there is much less tendency
for all the gliders to follow the same routes since we don't have a
stunningly good ridge as at Nephi.

We have great soaring in all directions so the concentrations of gliders
are not as great. At Moriarty you can go south to Alamogordo or El
Paso, southeast to Roswell or Hobbs, east to Amarillo and beyond,
northeast to Dalhart, north-north east up the east side of the Rockies,
north up the middle of the Rockies. A bit west of north and you can go
up the west side of the Sangre de Christos and continue to Leadville.
Northwest will take you over the Jemez mountains to Abiquiu and on to
Chama, Pagosa Springs and further. You can head out west to the Mt.
Taylor volcano north of Grants and on to Gallup or southwest past
Socorro and down into the Gila mountains.

There are too many directions to name and they can be flown straight out
or out and return. If there conflicts between gliders it will be
because too many people want to fly as a group rather than exploring
what's available here.

Dan Marotta

On 11/9/2014 2:17 PM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:33:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:31:06 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
>>> Great to see other places taking notes from Nephi. I think OLC camps are a fantastic idea and I can't imagine better place than Moriarty and Nephi (Minden should consider this as well).
>>> I hope flam will be encouraged and that all participants will fly with PowerFlarms assuming large number. Personally I would only consider this if all gliders are flarm equipped. After sharing the sky with 65 flarm equipped gliders at Nephi last year I would not do this without It.
>>>
>>> Ramy
>> Ramy-
>>
>> Flarm is great but I wouldn't let some ships sans-Flarm keep you away. Additionally, Xponders might be even more useful at 0e0.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Gary Osoba
> Transponder is most useful IF you plan to spend a lot of time hanging around near the ABQ approach/departure corridors AND if less than around 10 gliders attend. If you have more than 10 gliders, Flarm is the better bet. If you have several dozen gliders participating pilots should consider Flarm essential - especially if there are cu. Cu are magnets for glider traffic and at 17,999' the TAS at cruise makes fast converging collision threats nearly impossible to pick up in time. Ask pilots who've flown the Nephi event. They learned a lot about what happens in real-world conditions at XC events with lots of gliders.
>
> You can always equip with both of course.
>
> 9B

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 3:30:43 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I would like to clarify that, at
> Moriarty, there is much less tendency for all the gliders to
> follow the same routes since we don't have a stunningly good ridge
> as at Nephi.

The Nephi (Mt Nebo) ridge is 17 miles long and doesn't affect XC flight selection. Pilots typically fly away from the SLC metro area to the north. I don't know if flying directly over Albuquerque is more popular than flying over the metro area around Salt lake City - the flight traces I've looked at indicate not so much. On most days most soaring sites have a directions that are preferred for a variety of reasons. Once you get more than a handful of gliders it becomes much more a function of lift indicators and the raw number of people flying. Because - math. Because - human behavior.

Dan has a point - if, like him, you are more interested if seeking the path less travelled (e.g. weaker conditions that are less attractive to the majority of pilots) on some days you can get away from the crowd by flying away from cu, away from cloud streets and away from convergence lines. But most pilots don't fly the way Dan does. If you are looking to make the most distance by flying where the conditions are strongest, intend to fly with buddies or with fly with an XC mentor - get a Flarm because you will have company. If you fly where other pilots are without a Flarm expect some disapproval. If you persist and something happens, it is possible that you or your estate may be vulnerable to legal action for negligence.

9B

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:02:56 PM UTC-6, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> If you fly where other pilots are without a Flarm expect some disapproval.. If
> you persist and something happens, it is possible that you or your estate may
> be vulnerable to legal action for negligence.
>
> 9B
Andy,
Don't get me wrong. I fly with FLARM. But could you please show me where anything is said about the Moriarty OLC Campp being FLARM Manditory? Your legal threat is the sort of thing that will put people off from attending such events. Encourage people to participate, don't threaten them. If someone says they aren't going to fly with FLARM, the organizer can deal with how to handle the person. Far as I know, you are not the organizer, so please, back down on your threats of legal action because you feel that flight without FLARM is dangerous. I have flown Moriarty. I have gone the same directions as the big guys, and never seen them. Played the traces back from OLC uploads, and I didn't miss seeing them, we never got within FLARM range of each other.

Let the Moriarty Group speak for their requirements for attendance. If you don't like it, tell them. If they won't change, don't go at that time. Pick another time to go fly this amazing site when it won't be so crowded.

Steve Leonard
VJS

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:51:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:02:56 PM UTC-6, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> > If you fly where other pilots are without a Flarm expect some disapproval. If
> > you persist and something happens, it is possible that you or your estate may
> > be vulnerable to legal action for negligence.
> >
> > 9B
> Andy,
> Don't get me wrong. I fly with FLARM. But could you please show me where anything is said about the Moriarty OLC Campp being FLARM Manditory? Your legal threat is the sort of thing that will put people off from attending such events. Encourage people to participate, don't threaten them. If someone says they aren't going to fly with FLARM, the organizer can deal with how to handle the person. Far as I know, you are not the organizer, so please, back down on your threats of legal action because you feel that flight without FLARM is dangerous. I have flown Moriarty. I have gone the same directions as the big guys, and never seen them. Played the traces back from OLC uploads, and I didn't miss seeing them, we never got within FLARM range of each other.
>
> Let the Moriarty Group speak for their requirements for attendance. If you don't like it, tell them. If they won't change, don't go at that time. Pick another time to go fly this amazing site when it won't be so crowded.
>
> Steve Leonard
> VJS

I believe Andy's comments, as well as mine, were not intended to discourage participation in this event. Instead, they were intended to encourage making Flarm mandatory in such events or at least strongly encourage participants to have flarms, especially if the expected number is high. there was no mention of PowerFlarm at all in the original post, which was the reason for my comment. As Andy pointed out, Nephi is not much different than Moriarty (I flown both). Of course you can fly on any direction from just about most places, but pilots tend to congregate under the best looking cloud street, and within 50 miles radius from the airport the congregation is even higher. Also no one is suggesting that Flarm is more important than transponder, in places Like Moriarty both should be required IMHO.
It is about time that every cross country pilot who can afford owning his own ship and participate in such camps, should have both transponder and PowerFlarm installed and stop risking other people's lives. There, I said it.

Ramy

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:51:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
>
> Let the Moriarty Group speak for their requirements for attendance. If you don't like it, tell them. If they won't change, don't go at that time. Pick another time to go fly this amazing site when it won't be so crowded.
>
> Steve Leonard
> VJS

Hey Steve.

To my knowledge this event is not Flarm mandatory.

Mandatory or not I was agreeing with Ramy that PowerFlarm is highly advisable at any large gathering of gliders. No site is immune, not even Moriarty. The near midair collision at the regional last year settles that argument.

Keep in mind, the big drivers of risk are: how many gliders are flying at the same time and, is the flying with cu or blue. If it's a lot of gliders with cu the probability for conflict will be elevated. If it's cloud streets or convergence, it's higher still. Buddy/mentor flying also makes for elevated potential for collision conflict. On a positive note Flarm is quite helpful and adds to the enjoyment when buddy flying.

I have an extra PowerFlarm Core Pure. I will gladly loan it to anyone who who lacks the financial ability to supply one for themselves.

9B

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:51:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
>so please, back down on your threats of legal action because you feel that flight without FLARM is dangerous.

My apology Steve on the legal thing.

I would never personally threaten legal action - nor would I have any cause for action based on Flarm policy. That would be silly. I don't think that's what I said but I am sorry for any misunderstanding.

I was simply reflecting what actually happens when there is an incident. The lawyers simply don't care if the odds of collision were 200:1 at one site versus 100:1 at another.

Moriarty is not to my knowledge any less safe a flying environment then Nephi or any other soaring site. Again, that was not my point and people should not choose to participate in an XC/OLC camp or contest based on location.

It is the numbers of gliders flying together that should give people pause as to whether they ought to carry Flarm. Since most active pilots at these types of events now carry Flarm, it is whether to carry Flarm that it the choice pilots face rather then whether to attend or not.

Hope that is helpful - New Mexico is one of my favorite venues for big cross-country flying. Everyone should go. I'll even provide the Flarm.

9B

[Dan Marotta]

That's a nice offer of use of a borrowed flarm and, were I to attend,
I'd accept your offer so that I could see for myself if, for my type of
flying, it would be for me.

As it turns out, I will be flying at Minden with a friend in his
flarm-equipped two-seater during that time so maybe I'll get to see it
in action. On previous flights with him (including at Nephi), I haven't
yet seen a beep or blink from it. Maybe it was because I was taking the
path less traveled.

I hope all of you will attend the Moriarty event and have a safe and
great flying experience!

Dan Marotta

On 11/10/2014 1:09 AM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:51:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
>> so please, back down on your threats of legal action because you feel that flight without FLARM is dangerous.
> My apology Steve on the legal thing.
>
> I would never personally threaten legal action - nor would I have any cause for action based on Flarm policy. That would be silly. I don't think that's what I said but I am sorry for any misunderstanding.
>
> I was simply reflecting what actually happens when there is an incident. The lawyers simply don't care if the odds of collision were 200:1 at one site versus 100:1 at another.
>
> Moriarty is not to my knowledge any less safe a flying environment then Nephi or any other soaring site. Again, that was not my point and people should not choose to participate in an XC/OLC camp or contest based on location.
>
> It is the numbers of gliders flying together that should give people pause as to whether they ought to carry Flarm. Since most active pilots at these types of events now carry Flarm, it is whether to carry Flarm that it the choice pilots face rather then whether to attend or not.
>
> Hope that is helpful - New Mexico is one of my favorite venues for big cross-country flying. Everyone should go. I'll even provide the Flarm.
>
> 9B
>

[MQ]

I am very much looking forward to the Moriarty event and really enjoyed flying Nephi. I must say that flying at Nephi with FLARM required made a believer out of me. The difference was remarkable when compared with contests at Moriarty where some have and some have not. Partial equipage convinced me as to why some had sold and even donated their "troublesome" units.

I was thankful for Albuquerque Soaring allowing me to use a club FLARM for Nephi and convinced of their value enough to purchase one from Richard before I left Nephi. I also have a transponder and had not really considered FLARM purchase before experiencing how different a FLARM required event can be. This is just the opinion of one skeptic that tried the Kool-Aid. I enjoy that I can see Dan's transponder distance ring on FLARM despite the lack of detail and accuracy when compared with my ADS-B In (FLARM gripe snuck in, along with aforementioned cost).

Geoff MQ

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Monday, November 10, 2014 8:48:16 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:

> That's a nice offer of use of a borrowed flarm and, were I to attend, I'd accept your offer so that I could see for myself if, for my type of flying, it would be for me.

Enjoy! Make sure it is hooked up to a good display. FlarmView is good for basic situational awareness, but Oudie, LX9000 and a host of other current moving map displays will show up to several minutes of history of target flight paths - very helpful for buddy flying in addition to avoiding nasty surprises.

I believe the Nephi folks are trying to organize a group purchase at a discount for the full-up PorerFlarm Core. I don't know if that is limited to Nephi attendees only. Worth asking.

If a pilot signed up for one of these OLC events truly cannot afford to put a PowerFlarm in their glider send me a private message.

9B

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Monday, November 10, 2014 12:09:05 AM UTC-8, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:51:55 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
> >so please, back down on your threats of legal action because you feel that flight without FLARM is dangerous.
>
> My apology Steve on the legal thing.
>
> I would never personally threaten legal action - nor would I have any cause for action based on Flarm policy. That would be silly. I don't think that's what I said but I am sorry for any misunderstanding.
>
> I was simply reflecting what actually happens when there is an incident. The lawyers simply don't care if the odds of collision were 200:1 at one site versus 100:1 at another.
>
> Moriarty is not to my knowledge any less safe a flying environment then Nephi or any other soaring site. Again, that was not my point and people should not choose to participate in an XC/OLC camp or contest based on location.
>
> It is the numbers of gliders flying together that should give people pause as to whether they ought to carry Flarm. Since most active pilots at these types of events now carry Flarm, it is whether to carry Flarm that it the choice pilots face rather then whether to attend or not.
>
> Hope that is helpful - New Mexico is one of my favorite venues for big cross-country flying. Everyone should go. I'll even provide the Flarm.
>
> 9B

Andy's point about the risk of legal action is something that all should consider. Many of us pay insurances the equivalent of Powerflarm cost or more every year just to protect our assets and families against the remote chance that an accident will happen. You can easily imagine a scenario where a flarm equiped glider has a mid air with non flarm glider, this is something that lawyers will jump on right away. Think about it.

Ramy

[[email protected]]

I am a believer -- Nephi merely added evidence as to PFlarm's usefulness.
I have a brick with a short antenna from Richard Pfifner and the online test shows that it gives really long range -- just to confirm Nephi experience..
But to risk veering off topic, has anybody added a third antenna under the fuselage of a largely carbon construction? I fly a -27. While the on-line test shows really good coverage I have no idea how good it is below and behind.
Howard Banks



On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:12:36 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Sundance Aviation, in conjunction with the Albuquerque Soaring Club, will conduct a cross-country soaring camp from June 1st through June 15th. The soaring conditions at Moriarty, 0E0 (zero-echo-zero) are known and respected worldwide and tend to peak during June. Moriarty pilots have placed in the top ten worldwide from 2008 through 2013 for distance and no lower than 5th in the OLC League Speed rankings with 4 first place finishes. As an airfield Moriarty consistently ranks in the top 20 worldwide for speed and distance. Between Sundance Aviation and the Albuquerque Soaring Club there are five powerful towplanes available. At an elevation of 6200 feet ASL the paved main runway 08/26 is 7700 feet long and 75 feet wide. The crosswind runway 18/36 is 6200 feet by 75 feet of brand new pavement. The gigantic intersection Delta on 08/26 allows simultaneous staging of many gliders and is suitable for both east and west fully ballasted operations. The intersection also allows multiple gliders to land in rapid sequence giving each a safe place to coast off the runway. Two runways guarantee a maximum 45 degree crosswind and provide for multiple simultaneous landings in light winds. There is a large paved tie-down ramp with cables on a first come, first served basis and plenty of trailer parking. Pilots should provide their own tie downs ropes or straps for best results. Ballast water is available from multiple points on the field and free wi-fi is available in the Terminal building adjacent to the ramp and a bathroom with shower. There are two glider repair shops on the field and multiple A&Ps and IAs. Other airport tenants provide full machining, welding, and composite fabrication facilities for aircraft, gliders and trailers. Weather that accommodate any soaring ambition and airspace restrictions that are few and distant allowing for the maximum freedom to pursue any soaring ambition.
>
> Due to the already high take-off elevation of 6200 feet and June cloud bases well above 18,000 feet every glider must have oxygen equipment in good working condition. Oxygen refills are available on the field at a moderate cost. Oxygen refill systems are on carts so gliders may be serviced anywhere on the field. Pilots are encouraged to use glider ground handling equipment in good condition due to the large size of the airfield. A landing on runway 36 results in a retrieve of almost two miles back to the main staging area.
>
> Moriarty is located on historic Route 66 and boasts 9 motels, three truck stops and several restaurants. It is located in the center of the state 45-50 minutes from Albuquerque and Santa Fe. There are many other interesting places to visit within one hour of Moriarty including the Quarai Ruins, Salt Mission Trail, Single Action Shooting Society Founders Ranch, Santa Rosa Blue Hole, Conchas Lake State Park, The Sangre DeCristo, Sandia, Manzano, Ortiz, and San Pedro, and Mountains, Paa Ko Golf Course, Wildlife West Nature Park, The towns of Cerrillos, Galisteo and Madrid, and many others. There is plenty of room for camping at the airport but hook-ups are not available.
>
> The purpose of the camp is to accommodate pilots from every skill and experience level allowing each pilot to pursue his or her soaring dreams from basic FAI badge flying to long and fast OLC flights to pursuit of State and National records. Pilots new to cross country soaring will be introduced to preflight planning, flying techniques, and post-flight debriefing of flights for submission to the Online Contest or successful completion of FAI badges. Each day will start with a pilots meeting to discuss safety, weather, and issues unique to flying at Moriarty. Local experienced mentors familiar with the soaring conditions in the general area will be available for lead-follow flying as desired by attendees. Mentors will be assigned to attendees based on the attendees responses to a questionnaire that will be submitted as part of registration. The assignments will take into account the attendees equipment, experience level and desired goals from the camp.
>
> The non-refundable fee for the event will be $150.00 for early registration prior to March 1, 2015 increasing to $200.00 thereafter. Tows will be available from Sundance Aviation and supplemented by the Albuquerque Soaring Club at Sundance tow rates (see www.soarsundance.com). Evening debriefings will be scheduled to analyze and view flights using SeeYou accompanied by adult beverages from the local brewery. Gas grills will be available for bring-your-own-meat style dinners. Pilots may attend any portion of the event they wish and by registering early with the dates they will attend organizers will be able to properly schedule towplanes and personnel to ensure a quality experience. Moriarty is truly a rare place in soaring where it is possible to combine a family vacation with some extraordinary flying - and running the camp over 15 days makes that practical.
>
> For information and registration contact: or
> 505-832-5072 505-832-2222

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> I believe the Nephi folks are trying to organize a group purchase at a discount for the full-up PorerFlarm Core. I don't know if that is limited to Nephi attendees only. Worth asking.
>
> If a pilot signed up for one of these OLC events truly cannot afford to put a PowerFlarm in their glider send me a private message.
>
> 9B

I think that Moriarty doing an OLC camp is awesome! I would come but will be too busy getting ready for our own camp a few weeks later. :) Of course anyone can jump in on the Nephi group PowerFlarm buy. I think the more PowerFlarms out there, the better for all of us. Just contact Richard at Craggy Aero to inquire about the purchase.

One more plug for Moriarty - the place can be simply amazing soaring! The airport is huge and to say glider-friendly is an understatement. Even though the new cross wind runway doesn't get used often, it is so nice to know that if the winds do pick up you have the option. I wish you guys big success and wish I could attend. Have a blast and go huge distances!

Bruno - B4

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Bruno:
Thanks for your kind words and for helping to get this thread back on track.
As we get further into firming up plans and the minutia associated with this sort of thing, we will strongly encourage the use of flarm.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Ramy wrote, On 11/10/2014 12:38 PM:
> You can easily imagine a scenario where a flarm equiped glider has a
> mid air with non flarm glider, this is something that lawyers will
> jump on right away. Think about it.

Actually, I can't imagine that. I think most people overestimate what
lawyers will do, so unless that information comes from a personal injure
lawyer that is familiar with soaring and Flarm, I'm very skeptical that
you will be exposed to greater liability when flying legally without a
device that is not required by the FAA.

I don't have insurance companies asking if I have a Flarm when I get a
quote on liability insurance, either.

I have Flarm in both my gliders, and I encourage everyone to consider
using one, particularly those flying contests and camps.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

[Frank Whiteley]

On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:12:36 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Sundance Aviation, in conjunction with the Albuquerque Soaring Club, will conduct a cross-country soaring camp from June 1st through June 15th. The soaring conditions at Moriarty, 0E0 (zero-echo-zero) are known and respected worldwide and tend to peak during June. Moriarty pilots have placed in the top ten worldwide from 2008 through 2013 for distance and no lower than 5th in the OLC League Speed rankings with 4 first place finishes. As an airfield Moriarty consistently ranks in the top 20 worldwide for speed and distance. Between Sundance Aviation and the Albuquerque Soaring Club there are five powerful towplanes available. At an elevation of 6200 feet ASL the paved main runway 08/26 is 7700 feet long and 75 feet wide. The crosswind runway 18/36 is 6200 feet by 75 feet of brand new pavement. The gigantic intersection Delta on 08/26 allows simultaneous staging of many gliders and is suitable for both east and west fully ballasted operations. The intersection also allows multiple gliders to land in rapid sequence giving each a safe place to coast off the runway. Two runways guarantee a maximum 45 degree crosswind and provide for multiple simultaneous landings in light winds. There is a large paved tie-down ramp with cables on a first come, first served basis and plenty of trailer parking. Pilots should provide their own tie downs ropes or straps for best results. Ballast water is available from multiple points on the field and free wi-fi is available in the Terminal building adjacent to the ramp and a bathroom with shower. There are two glider repair shops on the field and multiple A&Ps and IAs. Other airport tenants provide full machining, welding, and composite fabrication facilities for aircraft, gliders and trailers. Weather that accommodate any soaring ambition and airspace restrictions that are few and distant allowing for the maximum freedom to pursue any soaring ambition.
>
> Due to the already high take-off elevation of 6200 feet and June cloud bases well above 18,000 feet every glider must have oxygen equipment in good working condition. Oxygen refills are available on the field at a moderate cost. Oxygen refill systems are on carts so gliders may be serviced anywhere on the field. Pilots are encouraged to use glider ground handling equipment in good condition due to the large size of the airfield. A landing on runway 36 results in a retrieve of almost two miles back to the main staging area.
>
> Moriarty is located on historic Route 66 and boasts 9 motels, three truck stops and several restaurants. It is located in the center of the state 45-50 minutes from Albuquerque and Santa Fe. There are many other interesting places to visit within one hour of Moriarty including the Quarai Ruins, Salt Mission Trail, Single Action Shooting Society Founders Ranch, Santa Rosa Blue Hole, Conchas Lake State Park, The Sangre DeCristo, Sandia, Manzano, Ortiz, and San Pedro, and Mountains, Paa Ko Golf Course, Wildlife West Nature Park, The towns of Cerrillos, Galisteo and Madrid, and many others. There is plenty of room for camping at the airport but hook-ups are not available.
>
> The purpose of the camp is to accommodate pilots from every skill and experience level allowing each pilot to pursue his or her soaring dreams from basic FAI badge flying to long and fast OLC flights to pursuit of State and National records. Pilots new to cross country soaring will be introduced to preflight planning, flying techniques, and post-flight debriefing of flights for submission to the Online Contest or successful completion of FAI badges. Each day will start with a pilots meeting to discuss safety, weather, and issues unique to flying at Moriarty. Local experienced mentors familiar with the soaring conditions in the general area will be available for lead-follow flying as desired by attendees. Mentors will be assigned to attendees based on the attendees responses to a questionnaire that will be submitted as part of registration. The assignments will take into account the attendees equipment, experience level and desired goals from the camp.
>
> The non-refundable fee for the event will be $150.00 for early registration prior to March 1, 2015 increasing to $200.00 thereafter. Tows will be available from Sundance Aviation and supplemented by the Albuquerque Soaring Club at Sundance tow rates (see www.soarsundance.com). Evening debriefings will be scheduled to analyze and view flights using SeeYou accompanied by adult beverages from the local brewery. Gas grills will be available for bring-your-own-meat style dinners. Pilots may attend any portion of the event they wish and by registering early with the dates they will attend organizers will be able to properly schedule towplanes and personnel to ensure a quality experience. Moriarty is truly a rare place in soaring where it is possible to combine a family vacation with some extraordinary flying - and running the camp over 15 days makes that practical.
>
> For information and registration contact: or
> 505-832-5072 505-832-2222

Are you going to apply for an SSA sanction for this event?

Frank Whiteley

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> Are you going to apply for an SSA sanction for this event?
>
> Frank Whiteley

We appreciate your concern and as I said in the private post you sent me, are looking into all options regarding insurance.

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Here is the latest regarding the Moriarty OLC/XC camp. We encourage everyone to come equiped with FLARM.

We have also determined that the maximum number we can accomidate will be fifty gliders. Of course we will keep a list of those who wish to join us should we get more than fifty applicants.

We are now a sanctioned SSA event.

Zulu