Re: ..and another hour...

[hellothere.adelphia.net]

Kevin, just remember, there are days that at times just putting it
down is a challenge. No real reason, it just happens. Just don't think
real hard about it as it will cause you to do it more.

There are times when my landings are so soft you do not even know you
are on the ground, and then the enevible happens, you think you have
it licked and then plop...



On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:56:05 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
<skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote:

>Wife travelling today so I'm all alone with kids and school. Gotta
>drop 'em off pretty early to get to the field on time so I'm up well
>before daybreak routing kids and making sandwiches. Out the door a
>couple minutes after 7 and 33 minutes later, I'm happy to see a couple
>other students on the playground with their parents nearby. Cool.
>Now I don't have to wait for adults to start showing up. I eagerly
>eject the kids from the truck and haul tail to the field.
>
>I walk in the hangar about 7 minutes after 8 and see my instructor
>cleaning up the ship. I immediately dive into weight and balance and
>DA and get them knocked out in record time and then proceed with the
>preflight. Got to the rear of the engine and saw an oil drip on the
>bottom of the fan scroll. Spent an inordinate amount of time looking
>to see where it might have come from but didn't see any "snail trail"
>of oil leading to it. I poked my head into the opening of the fan and
>looked down. Didn't see anything inside so asked my instrucotr about
>it. "Oh, there's a drain hole down there and I must have sprayed some
>of this **** (indicating the dry-wash he was using to clean up the
>ship) in there." I wiped the blob off and proceeded to finish up the
>preflight.
>
>Startup and pickup were uneventful and we received clearance to join
>the pattern for more approach work. Twice around the patch and I can
>immediately tell my approaches are getting better. I'm finally
>getting the sight picture down and my ass is better able to translate
>what it's feeling to my hands and feet. It's time to do some autos so
>off we go again.
>
>1st one is kinda ugly. 70 kts at about 700ft AGL. I count "3-2-1"
>and I lower the collective, dd some right pedal and roll the throttle
>off into the detent. Eyes outside I immediately forget to pull up on
>the collective to prevent an overspeed and wonder why the collective
>is coming up on it's own then remember the 150lb man next to me.
>Mental note to self: "control RPM with collective next time".
>
>Ship is set up good and we ride it down. A little rear cyclic to
>build some RPMs and slow down then deep into the flare. Just as we're
>almost stopped moving, forward cyclic to level us off then pull
>collective and roll the throttle out of the override. Lots of left
>pedal to counteract the suddent torque and we're hovering. Cleared to
>go around again for another auto and we're off.
>
>This time I get the collective lowered, right pedal for the yaw, roll
>the throttle off into the overtravel and add a little collective to
>keep RPMs at the top of the green arc. Eyes dancing between my
>landing spot and the tach and ASI and I'm on my way down. "nice...
>nice" is all I hear from the left seat.. A little bit of rear cyclic
>to start slowing down and build some RPMs, then the flare, level, add
>power and recover into a nice 4' hover with only a small wiggle of the
>tail. Figures I can do autos better than a normal approach... heheh
>
>Tower calls us and asks us to move to the parallel runway - they want
>to run the sweeper up and down it and make it all purty. No problem.
>We switch to the other pattern and do one more auto - it's about the
>same as the 2nd one and then it's off to the perpendicular runway to
>work on something else.. Hover autos!
>
>I Hover taxi to the numbers and my instructor takes control and makes
>a few pedal turns to figure out which way the wind is coming from.
>The windsock is telling him one thing and a nearby flag is telling
>another story. Get it sorted and without warning, he chops power and
>does a hover auto. Whoa! I wasn't expecting that and thought for a
>sec something had let go for real. Nope, just a demo of one more
>emergency procedure.
>
>Now it was my turn. I get a quick "how to" and then pick us up into
>about a 3' hover and again, "3-2-1" and I chop the throttle. Holy
>crap does the nose swing left fast when power goes away. I'm so busy
>correcting the yaw, I forget the collective. Again, good thing that
>150lb man is sittin' next to me. One more mental note and we try
>another one.
>
>This one is a bit better. Instead of dramatically chopping the
>throttle, I roll it off briskly and get on the right pedal. For a sec
>I forget the collective again and then grab an armful just prior to
>touchdown. Touchdown was pretty gentle, but I was a good 30 degrees
>off on my heading. Time to try again, this time to practical
>standards.
>
>I pick a nice yellow Citabria to use as my reference point and roll
>out of the throttle. Right pedal is ok, but I immediately pull
>collective and we balloon a couple feet then settle hard and bunny hop
>once. Oops. Forgot to wait for the ship to settle..
>
>One more and this time I don't hold the throttle into the detent as I
>pull collective to cushion the landing. I knew it immediately and
>explained to my instructor. One mroe mental note to really get my
>hand under the throttle before I roll it off to make sure I can hold
>it off and we try again.
>
>Pointed directly West and this time it's nice. Power is cut, I keep
>the nose straight and wait for the ship to settle then pull collective
>and we plop gently to the runway. I look at the compass.. About 7
>degrees south of West. Within practical standards. I'm thinking
>we're going to do some more of these and I'm directed to the side of
>the runway, over the dirt, facing South.
>
>Time for slope landings. I'm asking myself "What slope" as I look at
>the dirt under us. Then I notice the dirt is about 5 or 6 inches
>lower than the pavement and there's a gravel "berm" right next to the
>runway. My instructor demos the approach, sets one skid on the gravel
>and hangs there on one skid, then settles us down. He demonstrates a
>pickup from a slope and it's my turn.
>
>Here's where I got all goofed up for the rest of the time. For some
>reason I was really tense on the controls for most of today's session
>and a white knuckle grip is not condusive to "precision" flying. I
>make the 45 degree approach to the slope and get the uphill skid set
>down and can't get the skid to stop sliding so I pick us up, back up
>and to the right and try again. Same deal and I comment on my near
>death grip on the controls out loud. Time to try something else.
>
>I taxi us to the center of the runway and set us down and roll the
>throttle off (easier to talk at 75% than 104%) I'm to get the ship
>light on the skids then ease in left cyclic and do "side wheelies"
>keeping the right skid about 4" off the runway. It takes a lot more
>left cyclic than I thought and it's very tricky keeping it right
>there. All the while my brain is screaming "dynamic rollover!" and at
>one point I dump collective in a hurry thinking we're about to go
>over.
>
>I try again and this time, even tho I've just about squeezed the foam
>grip off the cyclic, I get it down and can sit there on the left skid
>for about a minute. Still don't know why I'm so tense today and I'm
>almost relieved when it's time to head back to the pad. I know I'm
>not supposed to pass the taxiway to the North of the numbers without
>clearance so I pedal turn around and see one of the sweepers at the
>middle of the next taxiway headed away from me.
>
>I call up ground control and tell them I'd like to taxi back to
>parking and have the sweeper in sight and will maintain visual contact
>hoping for a bit of levity. Nope. I'm asked to hold and I hear
>ground call repeatedly for the sweeper with no answer. Ground clears
>me to taxi but be alert to the sweeper. The sweeper finally answers
>just as I'm about to turn off the runway towards the pad.
>
>I hover taxi back to the pad and then tension takes control and all of
>a sudden it's like my 1st time hovering. I can't stay over the pad at
>all. I start getting iritated with myself and force a deep breath and
>a quick count to 3 in my head. Get it settled down and get centered
>over the pad and set it down gently. WTF is my problem today? I
>almost had to peel my fingers off the cyclic they were so cramped from
>holding on so tight for the past hour.
>
>I get the ship cooling down and talk to my instructor about my
>tension. He asks if there's something going on with work or at home.
>I can't think of anything off the top of my head so we let it drop. I
>get the ship shutdown and he walks off to the hangar as I'm making my
>log entries and grabbing my junk from under the seat.
>
>As I walk back I reflect on that past hour. Got some good approaches
>in and know what to look for next time. The autos were pretty fun and
>I feel pretty good about them. Still need to work on hover autos and
>am pretty sure I could have done the slope work if I could have
>relaxed a bit. Still don't know what was causing my death grip, but
>I'm done for the day so I'm going to go sit in the sun with my test
>prep materials and drink a cold beer and forget about it until
>tomorrow's flight.
>

[Toad-Man]

hellothere.adelphia.net wrote in news:oahjk0d9g6o058fje9hv1j7e3rj6fpenp2@
4ax.com:

> Kevin, just remember, there are days that at times just putting it
> down is a challenge. No real reason, it just happens. Just don't think
> real hard about it as it will cause you to do it more.
>
> There are times when my landings are so soft you do not even know you
> are on the ground, and then the enevible happens, you think you have
> it licked and then plop...
>
>
>


This is v. true. I judge myself not by how good I can be but by how bad.
Over time, you find that even on bad days, you're not as bad as you
previously were.

In fact I think bad days are a better measure of improvement and skill
level rather than the days when you fly out of your skin but you can't
repeat that performance.

toad.

[helicopterandy]

hellothere.adelphia.net wrote in message >...
> Kevin, just remember, there are days that at times just putting it
> down is a challenge. No real reason, it just happens. Just don't think
> real hard about it as it will cause you to do it more.
>
> There are times when my landings are so soft you do not even know you
> are on the ground, and then the enevible happens, you think you have
> it licked and then plop...
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:56:05 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
> <skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote:
>
> >Wife travelling today so I'm all alone with kids and school. Gotta
> >drop 'em off pretty early to get to the field on time so I'm up well
> >before daybreak routing kids and making sandwiches. Out the door a
> >couple minutes after 7 and 33 minutes later, I'm happy to see a couple
> >other students on the playground with their parents nearby. Cool.
> >Now I don't have to wait for adults to start showing up. I eagerly
> >eject the kids from the truck and haul tail to the field.
> >
> >I walk in the hangar about 7 minutes after 8 and see my instructor
> >cleaning up the ship. I immediately dive into weight and balance and
> >DA and get them knocked out in record time and then proceed with the
> >preflight. Got to the rear of the engine and saw an oil drip on the
> >bottom of the fan scroll. Spent an inordinate amount of time looking
> >to see where it might have come from but didn't see any "snail trail"
> >of oil leading to it. I poked my head into the opening of the fan and
> >looked down. Didn't see anything inside so asked my instrucotr about
> >it. "Oh, there's a drain hole down there and I must have sprayed some
> >of this **** (indicating the dry-wash he was using to clean up the
> >ship) in there." I wiped the blob off and proceeded to finish up the
> >preflight.
> >
> >Startup and pickup were uneventful and we received clearance to join
> >the pattern for more approach work. Twice around the patch and I can
> >immediately tell my approaches are getting better. I'm finally
> >getting the sight picture down and my ass is better able to translate
> >what it's feeling to my hands and feet. It's time to do some autos so
> >off we go again.
> >
> >1st one is kinda ugly. 70 kts at about 700ft AGL. I count "3-2-1"
> >and I lower the collective, dd some right pedal and roll the throttle
> >off into the detent. Eyes outside I immediately forget to pull up on
> >the collective to prevent an overspeed and wonder why the collective
> >is coming up on it's own then remember the 150lb man next to me.
> >Mental note to self: "control RPM with collective next time".
> >
> >Ship is set up good and we ride it down. A little rear cyclic to
> >build some RPMs and slow down then deep into the flare. Just as we're
> >almost stopped moving, forward cyclic to level us off then pull
> >collective and roll the throttle out of the override. Lots of left
> >pedal to counteract the suddent torque and we're hovering. Cleared to
> >go around again for another auto and we're off.
> >
> >This time I get the collective lowered, right pedal for the yaw, roll
> >the throttle off into the overtravel and add a little collective to
> >keep RPMs at the top of the green arc. Eyes dancing between my
> >landing spot and the tach and ASI and I'm on my way down. "nice...
> >nice" is all I hear from the left seat.. A little bit of rear cyclic
> >to start slowing down and build some RPMs, then the flare, level, add
> >power and recover into a nice 4' hover with only a small wiggle of the
> >tail. Figures I can do autos better than a normal approach... heheh
> >
> >Tower calls us and asks us to move to the parallel runway - they want
> >to run the sweeper up and down it and make it all purty. No problem.
> >We switch to the other pattern and do one more auto - it's about the
> >same as the 2nd one and then it's off to the perpendicular runway to
> >work on something else.. Hover autos!
> >
> >I Hover taxi to the numbers and my instructor takes control and makes
> >a few pedal turns to figure out which way the wind is coming from.
> >The windsock is telling him one thing and a nearby flag is telling
> >another story. Get it sorted and without warning, he chops power and
> >does a hover auto. Whoa! I wasn't expecting that and thought for a
> >sec something had let go for real. Nope, just a demo of one more
> >emergency procedure.
> >
> >Now it was my turn. I get a quick "how to" and then pick us up into
> >about a 3' hover and again, "3-2-1" and I chop the throttle. Holy
> >crap does the nose swing left fast when power goes away. I'm so busy
> >correcting the yaw, I forget the collective. Again, good thing that
> >150lb man is sittin' next to me. One more mental note and we try
> >another one.
> >
> >This one is a bit better. Instead of dramatically chopping the
> >throttle, I roll it off briskly and get on the right pedal. For a sec
> >I forget the collective again and then grab an armful just prior to
> >touchdown. Touchdown was pretty gentle, but I was a good 30 degrees
> >off on my heading. Time to try again, this time to practical
> >standards.
> >
> >I pick a nice yellow Citabria to use as my reference point and roll
> >out of the throttle. Right pedal is ok, but I immediately pull
> >collective and we balloon a couple feet then settle hard and bunny hop
> >once. Oops. Forgot to wait for the ship to settle..
> >
> >One more and this time I don't hold the throttle into the detent as I
> >pull collective to cushion the landing. I knew it immediately and
> >explained to my instructor. One mroe mental note to really get my
> >hand under the throttle before I roll it off to make sure I can hold
> >it off and we try again.
> >
> >Pointed directly West and this time it's nice. Power is cut, I keep
> >the nose straight and wait for the ship to settle then pull collective
> >and we plop gently to the runway. I look at the compass.. About 7
> >degrees south of West. Within practical standards. I'm thinking
> >we're going to do some more of these and I'm directed to the side of
> >the runway, over the dirt, facing South.
> >
> >Time for slope landings. I'm asking myself "What slope" as I look at
> >the dirt under us. Then I notice the dirt is about 5 or 6 inches
> >lower than the pavement and there's a gravel "berm" right next to the
> >runway. My instructor demos the approach, sets one skid on the gravel
> >and hangs there on one skid, then settles us down. He demonstrates a
> >pickup from a slope and it's my turn.
> >
> >Here's where I got all goofed up for the rest of the time. For some
> >reason I was really tense on the controls for most of today's session
> >and a white knuckle grip is not condusive to "precision" flying. I
> >make the 45 degree approach to the slope and get the uphill skid set
> >down and can't get the skid to stop sliding so I pick us up, back up
> >and to the right and try again. Same deal and I comment on my near
> >death grip on the controls out loud. Time to try something else.
> >
> >I taxi us to the center of the runway and set us down and roll the
> >throttle off (easier to talk at 75% than 104%) I'm to get the ship
> >light on the skids then ease in left cyclic and do "side wheelies"
> >keeping the right skid about 4" off the runway. It takes a lot more
> >left cyclic than I thought and it's very tricky keeping it right
> >there. All the while my brain is screaming "dynamic rollover!" and at
> >one point I dump collective in a hurry thinking we're about to go
> >over.
> >
> >I try again and this time, even tho I've just about squeezed the foam
> >grip off the cyclic, I get it down and can sit there on the left skid
> >for about a minute. Still don't know why I'm so tense today and I'm
> >almost relieved when it's time to head back to the pad. I know I'm
> >not supposed to pass the taxiway to the North of the numbers without
> >clearance so I pedal turn around and see one of the sweepers at the
> >middle of the next taxiway headed away from me.
> >
> >I call up ground control and tell them I'd like to taxi back to
> >parking and have the sweeper in sight and will maintain visual contact
> >hoping for a bit of levity. Nope. I'm asked to hold and I hear
> >ground call repeatedly for the sweeper with no answer. Ground clears
> >me to taxi but be alert to the sweeper. The sweeper finally answers
> >just as I'm about to turn off the runway towards the pad.
> >
> >I hover taxi back to the pad and then tension takes control and all of
> >a sudden it's like my 1st time hovering. I can't stay over the pad at
> >all. I start getting iritated with myself and force a deep breath and
> >a quick count to 3 in my head. Get it settled down and get centered
> >over the pad and set it down gently. WTF is my problem today? I
> >almost had to peel my fingers off the cyclic they were so cramped from
> >holding on so tight for the past hour.
> >
> >I get the ship cooling down and talk to my instructor about my
> >tension. He asks if there's something going on with work or at home.
> >I can't think of anything off the top of my head so we let it drop. I
> >get the ship shutdown and he walks off to the hangar as I'm making my
> >log entries and grabbing my junk from under the seat.
> >
> >As I walk back I reflect on that past hour. Got some good approaches
> >in and know what to look for next time. The autos were pretty fun and
> >I feel pretty good about them. Still need to work on hover autos and
> >am pretty sure I could have done the slope work if I could have
> >relaxed a bit. Still don't know what was causing my death grip, but
> >I'm done for the day so I'm going to go sit in the sun with my test
> >prep materials and drink a cold beer and forget about it until
> >tomorrow's flight.


Kevin,
Why are they making you do five minute cooldowns? Sorry if you
answered this before for me, but I couldn't find it here. You know
Robinson says two minutes after RPM is reduced to 75% then disengage
clutch for 30 secinds then pull mixture. Why are they asking you to do
twice that? It cannot be hotter than we have here in southern
Virginia.
It's costing you more money if you are paying Hobbs.
Regards,
Mark

[el gran cantinflas]

He said "because it's school policy," and he DOESN'T PAY HOBBS!

ref

helicopterandy wrote:
> hellothere.adelphia.net wrote in message >...
>
>>Kevin, just remember, there are days that at times just putting it
>>down is a challenge. No real reason, it just happens. Just don't think
>>real hard about it as it will cause you to do it more.
>>
>>There are times when my landings are so soft you do not even know you
>>are on the ground, and then the enevible happens, you think you have
>>it licked and then plop...
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:56:05 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
>><skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Wife travelling today so I'm all alone with kids and school. Gotta
>>>drop 'em off pretty early to get to the field on time so I'm up well
>>>before daybreak routing kids and making sandwiches. Out the door a
>>>couple minutes after 7 and 33 minutes later, I'm happy to see a couple
>>>other students on the playground with their parents nearby. Cool.
>>>Now I don't have to wait for adults to start showing up. I eagerly
>>>eject the kids from the truck and haul tail to the field.
>>>
>>>I walk in the hangar about 7 minutes after 8 and see my instructor
>>>cleaning up the ship. I immediately dive into weight and balance and
>>>DA and get them knocked out in record time and then proceed with the
>>>preflight. Got to the rear of the engine and saw an oil drip on the
>>>bottom of the fan scroll. Spent an inordinate amount of time looking
>>>to see where it might have come from but didn't see any "snail trail"
>>>of oil leading to it. I poked my head into the opening of the fan and
>>>looked down. Didn't see anything inside so asked my instrucotr about
>>>it. "Oh, there's a drain hole down there and I must have sprayed some
>>>of this **** (indicating the dry-wash he was using to clean up the
>>>ship) in there." I wiped the blob off and proceeded to finish up the
>>>preflight.
>>>
>>>Startup and pickup were uneventful and we received clearance to join
>>>the pattern for more approach work. Twice around the patch and I can
>>>immediately tell my approaches are getting better. I'm finally
>>>getting the sight picture down and my ass is better able to translate
>>>what it's feeling to my hands and feet. It's time to do some autos so
>>>off we go again.
>>>
>>>1st one is kinda ugly. 70 kts at about 700ft AGL. I count "3-2-1"
>>>and I lower the collective, dd some right pedal and roll the throttle
>>>off into the detent. Eyes outside I immediately forget to pull up on
>>>the collective to prevent an overspeed and wonder why the collective
>>>is coming up on it's own then remember the 150lb man next to me.
>>>Mental note to self: "control RPM with collective next time".
>>>
>>>Ship is set up good and we ride it down. A little rear cyclic to
>>>build some RPMs and slow down then deep into the flare. Just as we're
>>>almost stopped moving, forward cyclic to level us off then pull
>>>collective and roll the throttle out of the override. Lots of left
>>>pedal to counteract the suddent torque and we're hovering. Cleared to
>>>go around again for another auto and we're off.
>>>
>>>This time I get the collective lowered, right pedal for the yaw, roll
>>>the throttle off into the overtravel and add a little collective to
>>>keep RPMs at the top of the green arc. Eyes dancing between my
>>>landing spot and the tach and ASI and I'm on my way down. "nice...
>>>nice" is all I hear from the left seat.. A little bit of rear cyclic
>>>to start slowing down and build some RPMs, then the flare, level, add
>>>power and recover into a nice 4' hover with only a small wiggle of the
>>>tail. Figures I can do autos better than a normal approach... heheh
>>>
>>>Tower calls us and asks us to move to the parallel runway - they want
>>>to run the sweeper up and down it and make it all purty. No problem.
>>>We switch to the other pattern and do one more auto - it's about the
>>>same as the 2nd one and then it's off to the perpendicular runway to
>>>work on something else.. Hover autos!
>>>
>>>I Hover taxi to the numbers and my instructor takes control and makes
>>>a few pedal turns to figure out which way the wind is coming from.
>>>The windsock is telling him one thing and a nearby flag is telling
>>>another story. Get it sorted and without warning, he chops power and
>>>does a hover auto. Whoa! I wasn't expecting that and thought for a
>>>sec something had let go for real. Nope, just a demo of one more
>>>emergency procedure.
>>>
>>>Now it was my turn. I get a quick "how to" and then pick us up into
>>>about a 3' hover and again, "3-2-1" and I chop the throttle. Holy
>>>crap does the nose swing left fast when power goes away. I'm so busy
>>>correcting the yaw, I forget the collective. Again, good thing that
>>>150lb man is sittin' next to me. One more mental note and we try
>>>another one.
>>>
>>>This one is a bit better. Instead of dramatically chopping the
>>>throttle, I roll it off briskly and get on the right pedal. For a sec
>>>I forget the collective again and then grab an armful just prior to
>>>touchdown. Touchdown was pretty gentle, but I was a good 30 degrees
>>>off on my heading. Time to try again, this time to practical
>>>standards.
>>>
>>>I pick a nice yellow Citabria to use as my reference point and roll
>>>out of the throttle. Right pedal is ok, but I immediately pull
>>>collective and we balloon a couple feet then settle hard and bunny hop
>>>once. Oops. Forgot to wait for the ship to settle..
>>>
>>>One more and this time I don't hold the throttle into the detent as I
>>>pull collective to cushion the landing. I knew it immediately and
>>>explained to my instructor. One mroe mental note to really get my
>>>hand under the throttle before I roll it off to make sure I can hold
>>>it off and we try again.
>>>
>>>Pointed directly West and this time it's nice. Power is cut, I keep
>>>the nose straight and wait for the ship to settle then pull collective
>>>and we plop gently to the runway. I look at the compass.. About 7
>>>degrees south of West. Within practical standards. I'm thinking
>>>we're going to do some more of these and I'm directed to the side of
>>>the runway, over the dirt, facing South.
>>>
>>>Time for slope landings. I'm asking myself "What slope" as I look at
>>>the dirt under us. Then I notice the dirt is about 5 or 6 inches
>>>lower than the pavement and there's a gravel "berm" right next to the
>>>runway. My instructor demos the approach, sets one skid on the gravel
>>>and hangs there on one skid, then settles us down. He demonstrates a
>>>pickup from a slope and it's my turn.
>>>
>>>Here's where I got all goofed up for the rest of the time. For some
>>>reason I was really tense on the controls for most of today's session
>>>and a white knuckle grip is not condusive to "precision" flying. I
>>>make the 45 degree approach to the slope and get the uphill skid set
>>>down and can't get the skid to stop sliding so I pick us up, back up
>>>and to the right and try again. Same deal and I comment on my near
>>>death grip on the controls out loud. Time to try something else.
>>>
>>>I taxi us to the center of the runway and set us down and roll the
>>>throttle off (easier to talk at 75% than 104%) I'm to get the ship
>>>light on the skids then ease in left cyclic and do "side wheelies"
>>>keeping the right skid about 4" off the runway. It takes a lot more
>>>left cyclic than I thought and it's very tricky keeping it right
>>>there. All the while my brain is screaming "dynamic rollover!" and at
>>>one point I dump collective in a hurry thinking we're about to go
>>>over.
>>>
>>>I try again and this time, even tho I've just about squeezed the foam
>>>grip off the cyclic, I get it down and can sit there on the left skid
>>>for about a minute. Still don't know why I'm so tense today and I'm
>>>almost relieved when it's time to head back to the pad. I know I'm
>>>not supposed to pass the taxiway to the North of the numbers without
>>>clearance so I pedal turn around and see one of the sweepers at the
>>>middle of the next taxiway headed away from me.
>>>
>>>I call up ground control and tell them I'd like to taxi back to
>>>parking and have the sweeper in sight and will maintain visual contact
>>>hoping for a bit of levity. Nope. I'm asked to hold and I hear
>>>ground call repeatedly for the sweeper with no answer. Ground clears
>>>me to taxi but be alert to the sweeper. The sweeper finally answers
>>>just as I'm about to turn off the runway towards the pad.
>>>
>>>I hover taxi back to the pad and then tension takes control and all of
>>>a sudden it's like my 1st time hovering. I can't stay over the pad at
>>>all. I start getting iritated with myself and force a deep breath and
>>>a quick count to 3 in my head. Get it settled down and get centered
>>>over the pad and set it down gently. WTF is my problem today? I
>>>almost had to peel my fingers off the cyclic they were so cramped from
>>>holding on so tight for the past hour.
>>>
>>>I get the ship cooling down and talk to my instructor about my
>>>tension. He asks if there's something going on with work or at home.
>>>I can't think of anything off the top of my head so we let it drop. I
>>>get the ship shutdown and he walks off to the hangar as I'm making my
>>>log entries and grabbing my junk from under the seat.
>>>
>>>As I walk back I reflect on that past hour. Got some good approaches
>>>in and know what to look for next time. The autos were pretty fun and
>>>I feel pretty good about them. Still need to work on hover autos and
>>>am pretty sure I could have done the slope work if I could have
>>>relaxed a bit. Still don't know what was causing my death grip, but
>>>I'm done for the day so I'm going to go sit in the sun with my test
>>>prep materials and drink a cold beer and forget about it until
>>>tomorrow's flight.
>
>
>
> Kevin,
> Why are they making you do five minute cooldowns? Sorry if you
> answered this before for me, but I couldn't find it here. You know
> Robinson says two minutes after RPM is reduced to 75% then disengage
> clutch for 30 secinds then pull mixture. Why are they asking you to do
> twice that? It cannot be hotter than we have here in southern
> Virginia.
> It's costing you more money if you are paying Hobbs.
> Regards,
> Mark



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[helicopterandy]

el gran cantinflas > wrote in message >...
> He said "because it's school policy," and he DOESN'T PAY HOBBS!

WHAT DOES HE PAY THEN?????
A SALARY???
AND THANK YOU "KEVIN" FOR THE REPLY.
REGARDS,
MARK


>
> ref
>
> helicopterandy wrote:
> > hellothere.adelphia.net wrote in message >...
> >
> >>Kevin, just remember, there are days that at times just putting it
> >>down is a challenge. No real reason, it just happens. Just don't think
> >>real hard about it as it will cause you to do it more.
> >>
> >>There are times when my landings are so soft you do not even know you
> >>are on the ground, and then the enevible happens, you think you have
> >>it licked and then plop...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:56:05 -0700, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
> >><skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Wife travelling today so I'm all alone with kids and school. Gotta
> >>>drop 'em off pretty early to get to the field on time so I'm up well
> >>>before daybreak routing kids and making sandwiches. Out the door a
> >>>couple minutes after 7 and 33 minutes later, I'm happy to see a couple
> >>>other students on the playground with their parents nearby. Cool.
> >>>Now I don't have to wait for adults to start showing up. I eagerly
> >>>eject the kids from the truck and haul tail to the field.
> >>>
> >>>I walk in the hangar about 7 minutes after 8 and see my instructor
> >>>cleaning up the ship. I immediately dive into weight and balance and
> >>>DA and get them knocked out in record time and then proceed with the
> >>>preflight. Got to the rear of the engine and saw an oil drip on the
> >>>bottom of the fan scroll. Spent an inordinate amount of time looking
> >>>to see where it might have come from but didn't see any "snail trail"
> >>>of oil leading to it. I poked my head into the opening of the fan and
> >>>looked down. Didn't see anything inside so asked my instrucotr about
> >>>it. "Oh, there's a drain hole down there and I must have sprayed some
> >>>of this **** (indicating the dry-wash he was using to clean up the
> >>>ship) in there." I wiped the blob off and proceeded to finish up the
> >>>preflight.
> >>>
> >>>Startup and pickup were uneventful and we received clearance to join
> >>>the pattern for more approach work. Twice around the patch and I can
> >>>immediately tell my approaches are getting better. I'm finally
> >>>getting the sight picture down and my ass is better able to translate
> >>>what it's feeling to my hands and feet. It's time to do some autos so
> >>>off we go again.
> >>>
> >>>1st one is kinda ugly. 70 kts at about 700ft AGL. I count "3-2-1"
> >>>and I lower the collective, dd some right pedal and roll the throttle
> >>>off into the detent. Eyes outside I immediately forget to pull up on
> >>>the collective to prevent an overspeed and wonder why the collective
> >>>is coming up on it's own then remember the 150lb man next to me.
> >>>Mental note to self: "control RPM with collective next time".
> >>>
> >>>Ship is set up good and we ride it down. A little rear cyclic to
> >>>build some RPMs and slow down then deep into the flare. Just as we're
> >>>almost stopped moving, forward cyclic to level us off then pull
> >>>collective and roll the throttle out of the override. Lots of left
> >>>pedal to counteract the suddent torque and we're hovering. Cleared to
> >>>go around again for another auto and we're off.
> >>>
> >>>This time I get the collective lowered, right pedal for the yaw, roll
> >>>the throttle off into the overtravel and add a little collective to
> >>>keep RPMs at the top of the green arc. Eyes dancing between my
> >>>landing spot and the tach and ASI and I'm on my way down. "nice...
> >>>nice" is all I hear from the left seat.. A little bit of rear cyclic
> >>>to start slowing down and build some RPMs, then the flare, level, add
> >>>power and recover into a nice 4' hover with only a small wiggle of the
> >>>tail. Figures I can do autos better than a normal approach... heheh
> >>>
> >>>Tower calls us and asks us to move to the parallel runway - they want
> >>>to run the sweeper up and down it and make it all purty. No problem.
> >>>We switch to the other pattern and do one more auto - it's about the
> >>>same as the 2nd one and then it's off to the perpendicular runway to
> >>>work on something else.. Hover autos!
> >>>
> >>>I Hover taxi to the numbers and my instructor takes control and makes
> >>>a few pedal turns to figure out which way the wind is coming from.
> >>>The windsock is telling him one thing and a nearby flag is telling
> >>>another story. Get it sorted and without warning, he chops power and
> >>>does a hover auto. Whoa! I wasn't expecting that and thought for a
> >>>sec something had let go for real. Nope, just a demo of one more
> >>>emergency procedure.
> >>>
> >>>Now it was my turn. I get a quick "how to" and then pick us up into
> >>>about a 3' hover and again, "3-2-1" and I chop the throttle. Holy
> >>>crap does the nose swing left fast when power goes away. I'm so busy
> >>>correcting the yaw, I forget the collective. Again, good thing that
> >>>150lb man is sittin' next to me. One more mental note and we try
> >>>another one.
> >>>
> >>>This one is a bit better. Instead of dramatically chopping the
> >>>throttle, I roll it off briskly and get on the right pedal. For a sec
> >>>I forget the collective again and then grab an armful just prior to
> >>>touchdown. Touchdown was pretty gentle, but I was a good 30 degrees
> >>>off on my heading. Time to try again, this time to practical
> >>>standards.
> >>>
> >>>I pick a nice yellow Citabria to use as my reference point and roll
> >>>out of the throttle. Right pedal is ok, but I immediately pull
> >>>collective and we balloon a couple feet then settle hard and bunny hop
> >>>once. Oops. Forgot to wait for the ship to settle..
> >>>
> >>>One more and this time I don't hold the throttle into the detent as I
> >>>pull collective to cushion the landing. I knew it immediately and
> >>>explained to my instructor. One mroe mental note to really get my
> >>>hand under the throttle before I roll it off to make sure I can hold
> >>>it off and we try again.
> >>>
> >>>Pointed directly West and this time it's nice. Power is cut, I keep
> >>>the nose straight and wait for the ship to settle then pull collective
> >>>and we plop gently to the runway. I look at the compass.. About 7
> >>>degrees south of West. Within practical standards. I'm thinking
> >>>we're going to do some more of these and I'm directed to the side of
> >>>the runway, over the dirt, facing South.
> >>>
> >>>Time for slope landings. I'm asking myself "What slope" as I look at
> >>>the dirt under us. Then I notice the dirt is about 5 or 6 inches
> >>>lower than the pavement and there's a gravel "berm" right next to the
> >>>runway. My instructor demos the approach, sets one skid on the gravel
> >>>and hangs there on one skid, then settles us down. He demonstrates a
> >>>pickup from a slope and it's my turn.
> >>>
> >>>Here's where I got all goofed up for the rest of the time. For some
> >>>reason I was really tense on the controls for most of today's session
> >>>and a white knuckle grip is not condusive to "precision" flying. I
> >>>make the 45 degree approach to the slope and get the uphill skid set
> >>>down and can't get the skid to stop sliding so I pick us up, back up
> >>>and to the right and try again. Same deal and I comment on my near
> >>>death grip on the controls out loud. Time to try something else.
> >>>
> >>>I taxi us to the center of the runway and set us down and roll the
> >>>throttle off (easier to talk at 75% than 104%) I'm to get the ship
> >>>light on the skids then ease in left cyclic and do "side wheelies"
> >>>keeping the right skid about 4" off the runway. It takes a lot more
> >>>left cyclic than I thought and it's very tricky keeping it right
> >>>there. All the while my brain is screaming "dynamic rollover!" and at
> >>>one point I dump collective in a hurry thinking we're about to go
> >>>over.
> >>>
> >>>I try again and this time, even tho I've just about squeezed the foam
> >>>grip off the cyclic, I get it down and can sit there on the left skid
> >>>for about a minute. Still don't know why I'm so tense today and I'm
> >>>almost relieved when it's time to head back to the pad. I know I'm
> >>>not supposed to pass the taxiway to the North of the numbers without
> >>>clearance so I pedal turn around and see one of the sweepers at the
> >>>middle of the next taxiway headed away from me.
> >>>
> >>>I call up ground control and tell them I'd like to taxi back to
> >>>parking and have the sweeper in sight and will maintain visual contact
> >>>hoping for a bit of levity. Nope. I'm asked to hold and I hear
> >>>ground call repeatedly for the sweeper with no answer. Ground clears
> >>>me to taxi but be alert to the sweeper. The sweeper finally answers
> >>>just as I'm about to turn off the runway towards the pad.
> >>>
> >>>I hover taxi back to the pad and then tension takes control and all of
> >>>a sudden it's like my 1st time hovering. I can't stay over the pad at
> >>>all. I start getting iritated with myself and force a deep breath and
> >>>a quick count to 3 in my head. Get it settled down and get centered
> >>>over the pad and set it down gently. WTF is my problem today? I
> >>>almost had to peel my fingers off the cyclic they were so cramped from
> >>>holding on so tight for the past hour.
> >>>
> >>>I get the ship cooling down and talk to my instructor about my
> >>>tension. He asks if there's something going on with work or at home.
> >>>I can't think of anything off the top of my head so we let it drop. I
> >>>get the ship shutdown and he walks off to the hangar as I'm making my
> >>>log entries and grabbing my junk from under the seat.
> >>>
> >>>As I walk back I reflect on that past hour. Got some good approaches
> >>>in and know what to look for next time. The autos were pretty fun and
> >>>I feel pretty good about them. Still need to work on hover autos and
> >>>am pretty sure I could have done the slope work if I could have
> >>>relaxed a bit. Still don't know what was causing my death grip, but
> >>>I'm done for the day so I'm going to go sit in the sun with my test
> >>>prep materials and drink a cold beer and forget about it until
> >>>tomorrow's flight.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin,
> > Why are they making you do five minute cooldowns? Sorry if you
> > answered this before for me, but I couldn't find it here. You know
> > Robinson says two minutes after RPM is reduced to 75% then disengage
> > clutch for 30 secinds then pull mixture. Why are they asking you to do
> > twice that? It cannot be hotter than we have here in southern
> > Virginia.
> > It's costing you more money if you are paying Hobbs.
> > Regards,
> > Mark
>
>
>
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[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote in
message ...
> On 21 Sep 2004 15:17:56 -0700, (helicopterandy)
> wrote:
>
> >el gran cantinflas > wrote in message
>...
> >> He said "because it's school policy," and he DOESN'T PAY HOBBS!
> >
> >WHAT DOES HE PAY THEN?????
> >A SALARY???
> >AND THANK YOU "KEVIN" FOR THE REPLY.
> >REGARDS,
> >MARK
>
> Chances are you'll never see this Mark or Andy or whatever your
> friggin name is this week, but maybe someone will quote it or maybe
> you'll realize there are better ways to access this group than with
> google groups... (Then again, you may actually lose the caps lock,
> but in both cases, I doubt it)
>
> I pay a fixed fee for my training, regardless of hours required. I
> *DO* receive a minimum of hours for my money, but there's no cap on
> the maximum hours required so 3 more minutes on the Hobbs per flight
> isn't hurting me one iota.
>
> School policy is to to cool down the helicopter for 5 minutes.
>
> I've now answered your questions at least twice.

And that's once more than he warrants.

Hat's off to you Kev, you're doing a great job of your write-ups and I hope
you see them through to your final check ride at least. (And that's
including those massively expensive 3 extra minutes each hour on the
Hobbs:))

Beav

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote in
message ...
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:25:12 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >And that's once more than he warrants.
>
> I would tend to agree.. Seems like he's got a helluva a chip on his
> shoulder or some ego problems. (Typical pilot. heheh)

He's probably got a few hours in now as PIC, so he's got all the answers
(and the questions).
>
> >Hat's off to you Kev, you're doing a great job of your write-ups and I
hope
> >you see them through to your final check ride at least. (And that's
> >including those massively expensive 3 extra minutes each hour on the
> >Hobbs:))
>
> Shh. Don't tell anyone, but I cooled down for only about 4 minutes
> yesterday. Saving that extra minute for beer money this weekend.

You should squeeze a pint out of that :-))

>
> I'll keep posting until I'm done with my CFI checkride (unless I have
> to sell my computer to pay for flying!) so it's gonna be a while.

How many hours have you completed so far? Sounds like your at round about
10-12, maybe slightly less if you're being very critical of your progress.
(I think you are being critical, but that's no bad thing). You can't be far
away from your solo though.

Beav

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net> wrote in
message ...
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:44:01 +0100, "Beav"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>He's probably got a few hours in now as PIC, so he's got all the answers
>>(and the questions).
>
> He did say he was "highlly experienced".

Yeah, and I've seen others say smilar things. Even ore of them on the bike
group:-)

BFD.. I got laid night
> after night in college. You don't see me telling other people how to
> bump uglies... hehhe

Uglies??? Man you've got some balls admitting to that :-))
>
>>> Shh. Don't tell anyone, but I cooled down for only about 4 minutes
>>> yesterday. Saving that extra minute for beer money this weekend.
>>
>>You should squeeze a pint out of that :-))
>
> and I did.. A lovely glass of that black nectar known as Guinness...
> (Wish I could get Tadcasters in this state tho.. I like that a little
> better.)

A good Yorkshire brew if I'm not mistaken (and I cold easliy be)

>
>>How many hours have you completed so far? Sounds like your at round about
>>10-12, maybe slightly less if you're being very critical of your progress.
>>(I think you are being critical, but that's no bad thing). You can't be
>>far
>>away from your solo though.
>
> Just passed the 14 hour mark today as I stacked on another 1.4. My
> instructor said more than likely I'll be soloing just after the 20
> hour mark so maybe 2 more weeks??

Best of luck with it. The heli will feel about 2 thousand times lighter when
you pull that lever though. First thought will be "Nah, this thing can't
climb like this" :-) 2nd thought will be "STOP CLIMBING!!!!!" :-)

>
> I'm being WAY to critical of my progress and it definitely affected my
> performance for 3 or 4 hops prior to today..

I got the impression you're a perfectionist and although it's a good thing
in the end, it can be a hindrance at this stage. Mid you, it's not as bad as
being "Mr Cocky" how many times does your instructor say "Relax" :-)

Beav