"All-terrain" main wheel dolly

[Bastoune]

All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.

I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!

Bastoune

[Papa3[_2_]]

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:39:37 AM UTC-5, Bastoune wrote:
> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>
> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>
> Bastoune

Something like the below but with the casters replaced? Looks like they should be removable. I could see building a simple ramp/chock combination to allow you to roll the glider into the higher dolly.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/titan-casterstrade%3B-3-wheel-dolly-caster--6-in-dia

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/titan-casterstrade%3B-8-in-pneumatic-plate-caster--swivel-with-brake?cm_vc=-10005

[Tango Eight]

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:39:37 AM UTC-5, Bastoune wrote:
> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>
> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>
> Bastoune

These guys could figure it out --

http://www.cynergyergonomics.com/track-o-heavy-duty-motorized-dolly

but it might be cheaper to do some paving :-).

Evan Ludeman / T8

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:15:14 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:

> These guys could figure it out --
>
> http://www.cynergyergonomics.com/track-o-heavy-duty-motorized-dolly

Cynergy, I like that. It sounds like the warm fuzzy intersection of cynicism and lethargy.

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:51:26 AM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:15:14 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:
>
> > These guys could figure it out --
> >
> > http://www.cynergyergonomics.com/track-o-heavy-duty-motorized-dolly
>
> Cynergy, I like that. It sounds like the warm fuzzy intersection of cynicism and lethargy.

I can do both but can't decide which to do first.
UH

[Frank Whiteley]

On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:39:37 PM UTC-7, Bastoune wrote:
> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>
> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>
> Bastoune

We had a 'glider spoon' at the old Enstone GC. It was used on an uneven surface to stack gliders in the quonset style hangar from the end. I built a couple locally, one for my self and another for the club as we had gravel floors. Most gliders were on dollies, which only moved in and out sideways.. The hangar floor and ramps were paved a few years ago, so now castering dollies are in use. A 'glider spoon' has two 10 or 12 inch wheels, a round ring with a dish or chains for the main wheel and a long handle. The glider is lifted and jockeyed with the handle. One person can lift a two-seater like a Grob-103 or an L-23. Indeed, the spoon has been used on a few occasions to rescue the two-seaters with flat main wheels from the runway and return them to the hangar for repair, sometimes a few hundred yards without too much effort. Haven't found a picture yet.

Frank Whiteley

[Ventus_a]

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:51:26 AM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:15:14 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:

These guys could figure it out --

http://www.cynergyergonomics.com/track-o-heavy-duty-motorized-dolly

Cynergy, I like that. It sounds like the warm fuzzy intersection of cynicism and lethargy.

I can do both but can't decide which to do first.
UH

Closely related to "I'd be a procrastinator if I could just get around to it"

[Bastoune]

All,
Thanks for the inputs.

Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto a dish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are offset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down on the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider becomes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How long was the handle approximately? Thanks B.

[John Galloway[_1_]]

At 06:52 18 December 2014, Bastoune wrote:
>All,
>Thanks for the inputs.=20
>
>Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto a
>d=
>ish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are
>of=
>fset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down
on
>=
>the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider
>be=
>comes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How
>lon=
>g was the handle approximately? Thanks B.

We used these for many years for hangar packing too. The whole thjng
was steel and the handles were around 12 feet. The main wheel sat in a
ring. There were many trailing edge dings to the wings over the years from

the handles so we switched to main wheel dollies.

John Galloway

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 12:09 18 December 2014, John Galloway wrote:
>At 06:52 18 December 2014, Bastoune wrote:
>>All,
>>Thanks for the inputs.=20
>>
>>Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto
a
>>d=
>>ish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are
>>of=
>>fset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down
>on
>>=
>>the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider
>>be=
>>comes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How
>>lon=
>>g was the handle approximately? Thanks B.
>
>We used these for many years for hangar packing too. The whole thjng
>was steel and the handles were around 12 feet. The main wheel sat in a
>ring. There were many trailing edge dings to the wings over the years
fro
>
>the handles so we switched to main wheel dollies.
>
>John Galloway
>
I saw one of them when I was at Portmoak in September, can't remember
exactly where but probably around the original hangar.

[Frank Whiteley]

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:52:49 PM UTC-7, Bastoune wrote:
> All,
> Thanks for the inputs.
>
> Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto a dish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are offset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down on the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider becomes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How long was the handle approximately? Thanks B.

That's correct. It means the 'spoon' must approach the glider between the wing and the fuselage, fore or aft of either wing. The lifted end must be long enough to allow the glider reasonable rotation with striking the spoon wheels. I think we can swing about 90 degrees passing under a raised wing.. The handle is raised to the glider can be rolled onto the spoon, then lowered to lift the glider. Yes, it is steel truss construction. I won't be able to get the dimensions until New Year's day and can take some pictures then as well. It's just a big lever, but the angles must be considered as well as the vertical range of movement of the handle. The weight of the steel handle helps with the lifting. With a long handle, twisting can be a concern, so it should be stout.

Frank Whiteley

[Frank Whiteley]

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:15:06 AM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 12:09 18 December 2014, John Galloway wrote:
> >At 06:52 18 December 2014, Bastoune wrote:
> >>All,
> >>Thanks for the inputs.=20
> >>
> >>Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto
> a
> >>d=
> >>ish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are
> >>of=
> >>fset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down
> >on
> >>=
> >>the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider
> >>be=
> >>comes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How
> >>lon=
> >>g was the handle approximately? Thanks B.
> >
> >We used these for many years for hangar packing too. The whole thjng
> >was steel and the handles were around 12 feet. The main wheel sat in a
> >ring. There were many trailing edge dings to the wings over the years
> fro
> >
> >the handles so we switched to main wheel dollies.
> >
> >John Galloway
> >
> I saw one of them when I was at Portmoak in September, can't remember
> exactly where but probably around the original hangar.

True, they must be used carefully to avoid hangar rash. But don't we always use great care moving gliders in, out, and around hangars?

Frank Whiteley

[Frank Whiteley]

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:27:08 AM UTC-7, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:52:49 PM UTC-7, Bastoune wrote:
> > All,
> > Thanks for the inputs.
> >
> > Frank - If I picture what you are describing, the glider is rolled onto a dish that somehow holds the main wheel. There are two 10" wheels that are offset from the dish and connected to a handle. By applying pressure down on the handle, the dish is lifted (almost like a hand truck) and the glider becomes mobile. I assume that this contraption is all metal, correct? How long was the handle approximately? Thanks B.
>
> That's correct. It means the 'spoon' must approach the glider between the wing and the fuselage, fore or aft of either wing. The lifted end must be long enough to allow the glider reasonable rotation with striking the spoon wheels. I think we can swing about 90 degrees passing under a raised wing. The handle is raised to the glider can be rolled onto the spoon, then lowered to lift the glider. Yes, it is steel truss construction. I won't be able to get the dimensions until New Year's day and can take some pictures then as well. It's just a big lever, but the angles must be considered as well as the vertical range of movement of the handle. The weight of the steel handle helps with the lifting. With a long handle, twisting can be a concern, so it should be stout.
>
> Frank Whiteley

We haven't operated yet due to snow and weather, so haven't been to the gliderport. Will follow-up when I get the chance, but not this week.

Frank Whiteley

[JS]

You're probably right about 10" pneumatic or even flat-free on gravel.
Another solution is to use a "train track" with a dolly on the track. I've used this in many dirt and gravel hangars.
It may take having a removable track section for the hangar doors to close.
Jim

[[email protected]]

On Monday, December 15, 2014 at 9:39:37 PM UTC-8, Bastoune wrote:
> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>
> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>
> Bastoune



On Monday, December 15, 2014 at 9:39:37 PM UTC-8, Bastoune wrote:
> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>
> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>
> Bastoune

I modified the original tail dolly that came with my ASH30Mi. The single hard rubber tire could not handle the gaps in the pavement and failed completely after a couple months at Minden and Bishop. The two-wheel swivel dolly was purchased online (McMaster Carr) and a local welding shop was able to complete the job. I will warn you- it's heavy, but when you're trying to move an 87' wingspan around you need some strength! Email me at tpbjork at gmail and I'll send photos.

[Dan Marotta]

"Heavy" doesn't begin to describe it, Tom. :-) But, by cradling it in
your arms with the wheels dangling down, it's at least manageable over
short distances. After that, a truck is in order.


On 1/14/2015 9:04 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, December 15, 2014 at 9:39:37 PM UTC-8, Bastoune wrote:
>> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>>
>> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>>
>> Bastoune
>
>
> On Monday, December 15, 2014 at 9:39:37 PM UTC-8, Bastoune wrote:
>> All - I am looking for an "all-terrain" wheel dolly for a 15M glider main wheel. I am familiar with the GoJack type products (http://www.zendextool.com/gojak/ ) but unfortunately, the size of the casters will not handle gravel surface. Tires will probably have to be 10" pneumatic to do the job on gravel.
>>
>> I am looking for pictures of a DIY solution, an existing products, or ideas on how to go about it. The wheel dolly needs to be multidirectional and be able to handle a gravel/unimproved hangar floor. Thanks for any ideas or leads!
>>
>> Bastoune
> I modified the original tail dolly that came with my ASH30Mi. The single hard rubber tire could not handle the gaps in the pavement and failed completely after a couple months at Minden and Bishop. The two-wheel swivel dolly was purchased online (McMaster Carr) and a local welding shop was able to complete the job. I will warn you- it's heavy, but when you're trying to move an 87' wingspan around you need some strength! Email me at tpbjork at gmail and I'll send photos.

--
Dan Marotta