Ipaq HX4700 Series

[XXL]

Hoping someone may be able to help. I'm working on getting my gear up and running for the coming season and want to use my iPaq HX4700. It has not been used in quite a while, so I ordered a new 3.V = 2000mAh battery. A voltmeter shows that is has juice, and seems to be charging, but the device will not power up.

Does anyone have any experience with this who may be able to offer a thought or two?

Thanks,
Roderick

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 8:47:46 AM UTC-7, XXL wrote:
> Hoping someone may be able to help. I'm working on getting my gear up and running for the coming season and want to use my iPaq HX4700. It has not been used in quite a while, so I ordered a new 3.V = 2000mAh battery. A voltmeter shows that is has juice, and seems to be charging, but the device will not power up.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this who may be able to offer a thought or two?
>
> Thanks,
> Roderick

Make sure the battery pack switch is in the locked position.

Good luck.

R5

[XXL]

Done. It may be the internal battery - read some older posts about it needing to be replaced.

Thanks

[[email protected]]

I think there was a thread on this a year ago. I've had a 4700 & 5555, but only have saved the procedure for the 5555, hopefully similar for your 4700.. Suggest you search for the manual online and look for this similar item. Good luck.
~Barny
Here is a RAS response for one of the two, but don't recall which one:
1. How to correct iPAQ 5450, 5455, 5550, 5555 battery charging problems / dead unit syndrome.

The iPAQ 54xx or 55xx will not power on if the batteries charge is lower than 3.2 Volts, if your battery charge falls below the 3.2 volts level your unit will not turn on, you need to plug the iPAQ into a cradle or AC charge adaptor. Note the charging light on the iPAQ will not flash at all (normally flashes orange) until the battery charge has reached a minimum charge level of 3.2 volts. You then need to perform a normal reset, then the unit should switch on normally.



Here is the 5555 user guide instructions:
HP Procedure is as follows:


To charge and reset the iPAQ Pocket PC h5400:


i) Connect the iPAQ Pocket PC h5400 to an A/C power supply.

ii) Charge the battery to the minimum level of 3.2 Volts. This will take 5 to 30 minutes depending on the current charge level.

iii) Perform a normal reset.

iv) Power on the iPAQ Pocket PC h5400


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On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-8, XXL wrote:
> Hoping someone may be able to help. I'm working on getting my gear up and running for the coming season and want to use my iPaq HX4700. It has not been used in quite a while, so I ordered a new 3.V = 2000mAh battery. A voltmeter shows that is has juice, and seems to be charging, but the device will not power up.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this who may be able to offer a thought or two?
>
> Thanks,
> Roderick

Here is where I got my replacement internal battery for my 4800. http://www.pdasmart.com/

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-8, XXL wrote:
> Hoping someone may be able to help. I'm working on getting my gear up and running for the coming season and want to use my iPaq HX4700. It has not been used in quite a while, so I ordered a new 3.V = 2000mAh battery. A voltmeter shows that is has juice, and seems to be charging, but the device will not power up.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this who may be able to offer a thought or two?
>
> Thanks,
> Roderick

Here is where I got my replacement internal battery for my 4700. http://www.pdasmart.com/

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 5:10:57 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-8, XXL wrote:
> > Hoping someone may be able to help. I'm working on getting my gear up and running for the coming season and want to use my iPaq HX4700. It has not been used in quite a while, so I ordered a new 3.V = 2000mAh battery. A voltmeter shows that is has juice, and seems to be charging, but the device will not power up.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this who may be able to offer a thought or two?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roderick
>
> Here is where I got my replacement internal battery for my 4700. http://www.pdasmart.com/

wow, those little guys are expensive, $45... Can't remember exactly what I paid a few years ago but I do remember it being a bit expensive. I have an Oudie now, with battery prices like that it may make sense to look that way, but there is a well known competition pilot, first name Sebastian, who still flies with an ipaq..

[Tim Taylor]

Get a 3900 and dump the 4700 to start with. The 4700 is prone to overheating.

Need to replace the internal battery as well as the main one.

[XXL]

Thanks for the support on this. It seems to be down to the internal battery now, but those seem difficult to find as well - V6HR, but will look around for something today.

I do have a 3955 as well, but same issue - need a new battery for that. I've been too busy teaching the past year or two, and haven't had a chance to use my devices, but want to get them updated for the coming season, and use them with Condor.

Cheers,
Roderick

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:26:10 AM UTC-6, XXL wrote:
> Thanks for the support on this. It seems to be down to the internal battery now, but those seem difficult to find as well - V6HR, but will look around for something today.
>
> I do have a 3955 as well, but same issue - need a new battery for that. I've been too busy teaching the past year or two, and haven't had a chance to use my devices, but want to get them updated for the coming season, and use them with Condor.
>
> Cheers,
> Roderick

Rod, throw that 3955 as far as you can in the general direction of your trash can. I still have one too but just as a backup for my Avier. Buy one of those or an Oudie and you won't look back. I hated flying a final glide in contests trying to decipher what the IPAQ was not allowing me to see with the sun at the 'wrong' angle. The newer screens are so much better, it not even funny. IPAQ's time has come and gone.

[XXL]

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:26:10 AM UTC-6, XXL wrote:
> > Thanks for the support on this. It seems to be down to the internal battery now, but those seem difficult to find as well - V6HR, but will look around for something today.
> >
> > I do have a 3955 as well, but same issue - need a new battery for that. I've been too busy teaching the past year or two, and haven't had a chance to use my devices, but want to get them updated for the coming season, and use them with Condor.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roderick
>
> Rod, throw that 3955 as far as you can in the general direction of your trash can. I still have one too but just as a backup for my Avier. Buy one of those or an Oudie and you won't look back. I hated flying a final glide in contests trying to decipher what the IPAQ was not allowing me to see with the sun at the 'wrong' angle. The newer screens are so much better, it not even funny. IPAQ's time has come and gone.

Herb,

I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back to life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little space I have in the Libelle.

Cheers,
Roderick

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:55:38 -0800, XXL wrote:

> I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back
> to life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little
> space I have in the Libelle.
>
Speaking as another Libelle driver, you want to look for a 3.5" or 4.2"
satnav - either will have a very similar screen size in a rather smaller
case. I just dug out my old (Binatone B350 and current (Medion S3747)
savnavs (PNA) and compared them with an iPAQ 3630. Here are the numbers.

Device screen case
------ ------ ----
iPaq 3630 3.5" 4.75"
Binatone B350 3.5" 4.75"
Medion S3747 3.8" 5.3" (7" in cradle)

All measurements are diagonal - the iPAQ is 6.5" high by 3.3" wide in its
cradle, while the Medion (slightly bigger than the Binatone) is 4.1" wide
by 3.2" high. The PNAs have similar mounts -a plastic claw that grips
them by the top and bottom and all at most 1/4" to the total height of
the unit. I made my mount by attaching the PNA's claw to the end of a
flexi stalk with an adapted I made up from 1/16" epoxy/glass plate. The
flexi-stalk is bent so the PNA is just under 4" in front of the panel. I
left the lower right corner free of instruments so the PNA doesn't hide
anything. Here's a picture of my panel with the Binatone B.350 fitted:
apart from the PNA swap this is exactly what I flew last year and will be
flying in 2015:

http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/FLARM_panel.jpg

Both these PNAs run WinCE 5, so the latest versions of XCSoar and LK8000
run on them. The Medion has the better screen: its a bright
transreflective one, so is really nice to read with the sun looking over
my shoulder.


HTH
Martin


G-AXZH http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/index.html

--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Paul Remde]

Hi Roderick,

Just FYI, the overall size of the Oudie 2 is nearly identical to the overall
size of your iPAQ. The Oudie 2 and Oudie 2 Lite are: 135 x 86 x 14 mm (5.3
x 3.4 x 0.55 inches) in size. Also, the Oudie2 doesn't need as large of a
cradle as some of the nice iPAQ cradles were. However, the Oudie 2's screen
is much larger and much, much, much easier to read in sunlight. It is also
supplied with a power/data cable and adapters for connection to most soaring
flight instruments. If you are using a RAM or gooseneck arm to mount your
iPAQ in the glider, I have a $12 adapter which can be used to connect the
Oudie's cradle to a RAM or RAM-GN3-238 diamond shaped gooseneck adapter.
The Oudie 2 has been extremely popular. If you buy one, you won't regret
it. They are $375 for the Oudie 2 Lite and $625 for the Oudie 2 with SeeYou
Mobile Lifetime License for Oudie.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm

I also have a good deal on a new Oudie 2 which is 1.5 years old. It is
supplied with SeeYou Mobile Lifetime License for $525 ($100 off). It has
never been used - other than software upgrades by me. I'm selling it at a
discount because it is not quite the latest hardware version - so it may not
be quite as fast or quite as power efficient as the current Oudie 2 units.
It comes with all the standard accessories and in its original box.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.


"XXL" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:26:10 AM UTC-6, XXL wrote:
> > Thanks for the support on this. It seems to be down to the internal
> > battery now, but those seem difficult to find as well - V6HR, but will
> > look around for something today.
> >
> > I do have a 3955 as well, but same issue - need a new battery for that.
> > I've been too busy teaching the past year or two, and haven't had a
> > chance to use my devices, but want to get them updated for the coming
> > season, and use them with Condor.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roderick
>
> Rod, throw that 3955 as far as you can in the general direction of your
> trash can. I still have one too but just as a backup for my Avier. Buy
> one of those or an Oudie and you won't look back. I hated flying a final
> glide in contests trying to decipher what the IPAQ was not allowing me to
> see with the sun at the 'wrong' angle. The newer screens are so much
> better, it not even funny. IPAQ's time has come and gone.

Herb,

I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back to
life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little space I
have in the Libelle.

Cheers,
Roderick

[Dan Marotta]

Might I suggest a Streak 5 and XCSoar. The market varies but some days
you can get the entire kit for $100.


On 1/22/2015 9:55 PM, XXL wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:26:10 AM UTC-6, XXL wrote:
>>> Thanks for the support on this. It seems to be down to the internal battery now, but those seem difficult to find as well - V6HR, but will look around for something today.
>>>
>>> I do have a 3955 as well, but same issue - need a new battery for that. I've been too busy teaching the past year or two, and haven't had a chance to use my devices, but want to get them updated for the coming season, and use them with Condor.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roderick
>> Rod, throw that 3955 as far as you can in the general direction of your trash can. I still have one too but just as a backup for my Avier. Buy one of those or an Oudie and you won't look back. I hated flying a final glide in contests trying to decipher what the IPAQ was not allowing me to see with the sun at the 'wrong' angle. The newer screens are so much better, it not even funny. IPAQ's time has come and gone.
> Herb,
>
> I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back to life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little space I have in the Libelle.
>
> Cheers,
> Roderick

--
Dan Marotta

[XXL]

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 5:33:33 AM UTC-6, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:55:38 -0800, XXL wrote:
>
> > I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back
> > to life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little
> > space I have in the Libelle.
> >
> Speaking as another Libelle driver, you want to look for a 3.5" or 4.2"
> satnav - either will have a very similar screen size in a rather smaller
> case. I just dug out my old (Binatone B350 and current (Medion S3747)
> savnavs (PNA) and compared them with an iPAQ 3630. Here are the numbers.
>
> Device screen case
> ------ ------ ----
> iPaq 3630 3.5" 4.75"
> Binatone B350 3.5" 4.75"
> Medion S3747 3.8" 5.3" (7" in cradle)
>
> All measurements are diagonal - the iPAQ is 6.5" high by 3.3" wide in its
> cradle, while the Medion (slightly bigger than the Binatone) is 4.1" wide
> by 3.2" high. The PNAs have similar mounts -a plastic claw that grips
> them by the top and bottom and all at most 1/4" to the total height of
> the unit. I made my mount by attaching the PNA's claw to the end of a
> flexi stalk with an adapted I made up from 1/16" epoxy/glass plate. The
> flexi-stalk is bent so the PNA is just under 4" in front of the panel. I
> left the lower right corner free of instruments so the PNA doesn't hide
> anything. Here's a picture of my panel with the Binatone B.350 fitted:
> apart from the PNA swap this is exactly what I flew last year and will be
> flying in 2015:
>
> http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/FLARM_panel.jpg
>
> Both these PNAs run WinCE 5, so the latest versions of XCSoar and LK8000
> run on them. The Medion has the better screen: its a bright
> transreflective one, so is really nice to read with the sun looking over
> my shoulder.
>
>
> HTH
> Martin
>
>
> G-AXZH http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/index.html
>
> --
> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org |

Hi Martin,

Looks very promising, and does fit your panel very well. Thank you for the details and photos.

Best regards,
Roderick

[XXL]

Paul,

Also a great idea. As you know I've been using the Cambridge software since its inception, and it worked well with my 302. However, over the years I've had more and more problems with the PDAs, and think it' finally time to make a change, one that is both economical and something that will be around for years.

I have SeeYouMobile - the main reason I was looking to get the iPAQs up and running, but an Oudie 2 or the Binatone may be the better way to go.

I'll be in touch late next week.

Cheers,
Roderick

[Paul Remde]

Hi Roderick,

One major advantage to the Oudie2 solution is the included cabling and
cradle. You can spend a lot of money on cables or BlueTooth modules for the
"low cost" PNA devices. The Oudie 2 is supplied with a nice power/data
cable and configurable adapters and a nice basic cradle.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
_____________________________________

"XXL" wrote in message
...

Paul,

Also a great idea. As you know I've been using the Cambridge software since
its inception, and it worked well with my 302. However, over the years I've
had more and more problems with the PDAs, and think it' finally time to make
a change, one that is both economical and something that will be around for
years.

I have SeeYouMobile - the main reason I was looking to get the iPAQs up and
running, but an Oudie 2 or the Binatone may be the better way to go.

I'll be in touch late next week.

Cheers,
Roderick

[Dan Marotta]

Yup, what Paul said.

I bought a brand new Streak for $100 and XCSoar was free but the
Bluetooth module and cable added at least $300 to the package.

Dan

On 1/23/2015 9:04 AM, Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi Roderick,
>
> One major advantage to the Oudie2 solution is the included cabling and
> cradle. You can spend a lot of money on cables or BlueTooth modules
> for the "low cost" PNA devices. The Oudie 2 is supplied with a nice
> power/data cable and configurable adapters and a nice basic cradle.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> _____________________________________
>
> "XXL" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Paul,
>
> Also a great idea. As you know I've been using the Cambridge software
> since its inception, and it worked well with my 302. However, over the
> years I've had more and more problems with the PDAs, and think it'
> finally time to make a change, one that is both economical and
> something that will be around for years.
>
> I have SeeYouMobile - the main reason I was looking to get the iPAQs
> up and running, but an Oudie 2 or the Binatone may be the better way
> to go.
>
> I'll be in touch late next week.
>
> Cheers,
> Roderick

--
Dan Marotta

[[email protected]]

Let me again suggest using a Kobo mini e-reader running XCSoar. The screen is black and white but is very readable in sunlight. You can make one up for $100 or a little more if you can't make the internal connections yourself.

I have made six of these for myself and other club members. Not as high end as the commercial products, but way better than any Ipag.

Directions are on the web, this one is a good starting point.

http://www.50k-or-bust.com/Kobo%20XCSoar/Kobo%20XCSoar%20Hardware%20Notes%2001.pdf

Gary

[XXL]

Dan, I have not heard about Streak, but will look into it. I have used the Nexus in the Dimona I use for instruction, but that device is too large for the Libelle.

Cheers,
Roderick

[XXL]

Paul,

Getting more and more promising. I may give you a call later today.

Thank you.
Roderick

[XXL]

Interesting solution, Gary, but a bit large for the cramped area I have in the glider.

Thanks,
Roderick

[Dan Marotta]

Not many people in the USA named Roderick but, if you can get it, here's
a used Dell Streak 5 on Ebay for $55 plus shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Streak-5-M01M-Tmobile-/281572856530?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418f0cd2d2

The Streak is a bit larger than a smart phone and should easily fit in a
Libelle but, as Paul said earlier, if you want to connect it to a
vario/computer, you'll either need a Bluetooth adaptor (wireless) or an
IOIO (cabled) setup. Either of which add to the cost. If I didn't
already have a brand new spare on the shelf, I'd snap this one up myself!

Good luck in your search,
Dan

On 1/23/2015 9:16 AM, XXL wrote:
> Dan, I have not heard about Streak, but will look into it. I have used the Nexus in the Dimona I use for instruction, but that device is too large for the Libelle.
>
> Cheers,
> Roderick

--
Dan Marotta

[Peter von Tresckow]

Martin Gregorie > wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:55:38 -0800, XXL wrote:
>
>> I agree, it probably does not make much sense to bring these things back
>> to life, but want to figure out the best way to utilize what little
>> space I have in the Libelle.
>>
> Speaking as another Libelle driver, you want to look for a 3.5" or 4.2"
> satnav - either will have a very similar screen size in a rather smaller
> case. I just dug out my old (Binatone B350 and current (Medion S3747)
> savnavs (PNA) and compared them with an iPAQ 3630. Here are the numbers.
>
> Device screen case
> ------ ------ ----
> iPaq 3630 3.5" 4.75"
> Binatone B350 3.5" 4.75"
> Medion S3747 3.8" 5.3" (7" in cradle)
>
> All measurements are diagonal - the iPAQ is 6.5" high by 3.3" wide in its
> cradle, while the Medion (slightly bigger than the Binatone) is 4.1" wide
> by 3.2" high. The PNAs have similar mounts -a plastic claw that grips
> them by the top and bottom and all at most 1/4" to the total height of
> the unit. I made my mount by attaching the PNA's claw to the end of a
> flexi stalk with an adapted I made up from 1/16" epoxy/glass plate. The
> flexi-stalk is bent so the PNA is just under 4" in front of the panel. I
> left the lower right corner free of instruments so the PNA doesn't hide
> anything. Here's a picture of my panel with the Binatone B.350 fitted:
> apart from the PNA swap this is exactly what I flew last year and will be
> flying in 2015:
>
> http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/FLARM_panel.jpg
>
> Both these PNAs run WinCE 5, so the latest versions of XCSoar and LK8000
> run on them. The Medion has the better screen: its a bright
> transreflective one, so is really nice to read with the sun looking over
> my shoulder.
>
>
> HTH
> Martin
>
>
> G-AXZH http://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/index.html


As a fellow Libelle pilot I would vote for an Oudie. I have mine mounted
via a stick on ram ball mount on the left side. I have the articulated
cradle from craggy and it works great.

Beats the hell out of an iPaq any time.

Pete

[XXL]

Dan,

I'm surprised there aren't more folks with the name. Was easier at home in Switzerland because there were even fewer with the name.

Many thanks for the link to the Streak, unfortunately, it's already sold. However, I'll keep my eyes open.

N301N

Cheers,
Roderick

[XXL]

Pete,

Do you have any photos with the mount? I have a 301, so with the additional bells and whistles (flaps and drogue chute) my space is more limited than the 201.

Cheers,
Roderick

[Paul Remde]

Hi Roderick,

I offer several nice Oudie mounts here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Mount-RAM-Arm-Std
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Mount-GNeck-Panel
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Mount-GNeck-RA
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Mount-RAM-SCM

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
____________________________________________

"XXL" wrote in message
...

Pete,

Do you have any photos with the mount? I have a 301, so with the additional
bells and whistles (flaps and drogue chute) my space is more limited than
the 201.

Cheers,
Roderick

[[email protected]]

You mentioned Condor, and you already have SeeYou Mobile so the Oudie lite seems a no brainer in my opinion. That is what I run, and it connects easily to Condor with the cable Paul sells. Yes, there are advantages to the Streak over the Oudie, but I found the time savings from ease of use to outweigh the other options. Load my database plug it in and go fly, both in the glider and on Condor.