video - pilot runs out of fuel, pops parachute

[Skywise]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/01/26/vo-pilot-emergency-escape.u-s-coast-
guard

"The pilot of a single engine aircraft that ran out of fuel is safe after
ditching his aircraft more than 200 miles northeast of Maui, Hawaii."


http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3664402-video-pilot-cirrus-plane-
deploys-parachute-after-running-out-fuel-near-hawaii

"The pilot, en route from Tracy, Calif., to Kahului...."


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7YT

KTCY to PHOG according to SkyVector is 2075nm.

Wikipedia lists SR-22 range as 1049nm.

Even with fuel drums on board.... sheeesh.


http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?omni=Home-N-
Number&nNumberTxt=N7YT

Certificate issue date: 1-12-15

Brand new plane. Ferry flight?

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[Sylvia Else]

On 27/01/2015 11:41 AM, Skywise wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/01/26/vo-pilot-emergency-escape.u-s-coast-
> guard
>
> "The pilot of a single engine aircraft that ran out of fuel is safe after
> ditching his aircraft more than 200 miles northeast of Maui, Hawaii."
>
>
> http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3664402-video-pilot-cirrus-plane-
> deploys-parachute-after-running-out-fuel-near-hawaii
>
> "The pilot, en route from Tracy, Calif., to Kahului...."
>
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7YT
>
> KTCY to PHOG according to SkyVector is 2075nm.
>
> Wikipedia lists SR-22 range as 1049nm.
>
> Even with fuel drums on board.... sheeesh.
>
>
> http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?omni=Home-N-
> Number&nNumberTxt=N7YT
>
> Certificate issue date: 1-12-15
>
> Brand new plane. Ferry flight?
>
> Brian
>

Looks like he knew well in advance that he was going to end up in the
drink, but perhaps many hours after his point of no return. How accurate
are the wind forecasts out there?

Sylvia.

[Skywise]

Sylvia Else > wrote in
:

> Looks like he knew well in advance that he was going to end up in the
> drink, but perhaps many hours after his point of no return. How accurate
> are the wind forecasts out there?

Apparently it was a fuel problem.

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/January/27/Cirrus-chute-
deployment-videotaped-by-Coast-Guard

Discussion on FlightAware forums has rumor that it was a stuck
valve prevent transfer from fule bladder.

http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/3day/popular/46376/Single_engine_airpla
ne_preparing_to_ditch_in_Pacific_Ocean

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[Sylvia Else]

On 29/01/2015 8:32 PM, Skywise wrote:
> Sylvia Else > wrote in
> :
>
>> Looks like he knew well in advance that he was going to end up in the
>> drink, but perhaps many hours after his point of no return. How accurate
>> are the wind forecasts out there?
>
> Apparently it was a fuel problem.
>
> http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/January/27/Cirrus-chute-
> deployment-videotaped-by-Coast-Guard
>
> Discussion on FlightAware forums has rumor that it was a stuck
> valve prevent transfer from fule bladder.

Redundancy, redundancy, redundancy.

Sylvia.

[Skywise]

Sylvia Else > wrote in news:ciukvaFo92tU2
@mid.individual.net:

> Redundancy, redundancy, redundancy.

You can say that again. :)

But, sometimes, redundancy isn't always practical, or possible.
At some point, there may always be a single point of failure.
The plane has only one engine. Can't exactly take along a spare.

And what if the backup fails? Stuff happens.

I gather this pilot was experienced at this sort of trip. The
company he works for apparently offers it as a standard service.

http://theflightacademy.com/

There's a press release on the incident link on the main page.

In any case, it's good marketting for Cirrus.

http://www.cirrusaircraft.com/news/cirrus-airframe-parachute-system-capstm-
successfully-deployed-over-pacific-ocean/

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[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:41:23 GMT, Skywise > wrote:

>http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/01/26/vo-pilot-emergency-escape.u-s-coast-
>guard
>
>"The pilot of a single engine aircraft that ran out of fuel is safe after
>ditching his aircraft more than 200 miles northeast of Maui, Hawaii."
>
>
>http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3664402-video-pilot-cirrus-plane-
>deploys-parachute-after-running-out-fuel-near-hawaii
>
>"The pilot, en route from Tracy, Calif., to Kahului...."
>
>
>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7YT


This incident sort of reminds me of Steve Rhine's ferry flight across the
Atlantic:
<https://web.archive.org/web/20061030133403/http://www.alexisparkinn.com/nwpilot's_tranatlantic_flight.htm>.

----------------------- Excerpt ----------------------------
Day 2: Goose Bay, Canada to Narsarsuaq, Greenland. This Is where the fun
begins! The plan was to go from Goose Bay to Keflavik, Iceland -- but I had
fuel system troubles between Greenland and Iceland. Not Fun! Here's what
happened:

After switching to the aircraft fuel (from the ferry tank) strange things
started happening. The 100-gallon ferry tank went dry after only 7 hours,
burning 8 to 9 gallons per hour! Something just did not add up...

Then, the G1000 started to go nuts, with the fuel indicators displaying red
X's. Next, I received a CO2 detector failure, then GPS-1 failure! At this
point I was thinking "What next!?"

Well, I didn't have to wait long: The G1000 display suddenly went black,
with white text in the left hand corner saying "initializing system"!

(Note: All this was happening at night, locked in the soup, at FL070 and
200+ miles from the nearest land -- with almost no communication with a
ground-based person!)

When the G1000 got done rebooting, I found myself missing my airspeed
indicator and fuel gauges -- and it was now displaying a bunch of other errors.
Assessing my situation, I figured that I had no fuel gauges, the G1000 is
continually rebooting, possible CO2 in the cabin, AND an apparent fuel leak!

At this point I am thinking to myself that if I do still have full fuel in
the aircraft tanks I could make it the 490 miles to Keflavik -- but I would be
cutting it really close. With no indicators showing quantity, and the missing
fuel from the ferry tank indicating a possible leak, I figured it would be best
if I got on the HF radio, declared an emergency, and turned back to Greenland!

So I declared an emergency and went in to a 100FPM climbing turning back
toward Greenland. I received a response from a DHL & Air France airliner, who
both relayed the emergency call. They responded that they would open the
Narsarsuaq airport for me.

"Thank You, Portable GPS Units!!" At this point, my handheld was my only
reliable navigational aid.

Upon reaching FL095 I was on top and looked to my left -- and really got
scared!!! The aircraft vent was venting a large amount of fuel out into space!
Thank you, Cessna for the under-wing courtesy lights!

So I kept the 100 fpm climb going up to 13,000 feet (for crossing the
icecap), and finally established radio communication with some one on the HF. I
informed them of the fuel venting problem, and the constantly rebooting G1000
PFD.

They assure me that they have rescue team waiting and ready, in case I have
to ditch!

As I grind closer and closer to Narsarsuaq, at about 60 miles out they send
up a rescue chopper, locate me, and guide me in, since I am unable to make the
NDB approach with the G1000 rebooting itself. (The ADF display is tied to the
G1000's HSI.)

I spot the airport in the middle of all the black, and ATC has me do a
steep spiraling decent all the way down to 3,000'. At that point I must
follow the chopper, who will keep me away from the mountains... Who would have
ever thought that knowing THAT maneuver would pay off?

Everything worked as planned. On downwind I noticed that the fuel gauges
were not red X's anymore, and were now reading full. Then, as I turned to
final, they go to red X's again, and as I landed the G1000 once again rebooted
as I rolled out.

Now it's showing 1/2 fuel in 1 tank, and 3/4 in the other ????

I taxied in and parked this bird for the night, still a bit shook up from
the events of the past few hours. I find a bed and lay there for a few hours,
thinking about the days events

Photos from Day 2:





Steven in "The Suit"




The Skyhawk parked at Goose Bay




Half-way from Goose Bay

[george152]

On 30/01/2015 12:28 p.m., Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:41:23 GMT, Skywise > wrote:
>
>> http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/01/26/vo-pilot-emergency-escape.u-s-coast-
>> guard
>>
>> "The pilot of a single engine aircraft that ran out of fuel is safe after
>> ditching his aircraft more than 200 miles northeast of Maui, Hawaii."
>>
>>
>> http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3664402-video-pilot-cirrus-plane-
>> deploys-parachute-after-running-out-fuel-near-hawaii
>>
>> "The pilot, en route from Tracy, Calif., to Kahului...."
>>
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7YT
>
>
> This incident sort of reminds me of Steve Rhine's ferry flight across the
> Atlantic:
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20061030133403/http://www.alexisparkinn.com/nwpilot's_tranatlantic_flight.htm>.
>
> ----------------------- Excerpt ----------------------------
> Day 2: Goose Bay, Canada to Narsarsuaq, Greenland. This Is where the fun
> begins! The plan was to go from Goose Bay to Keflavik, Iceland -- but I had
> fuel system troubles between Greenland and Iceland. Not Fun! Here's what
> happened:
>
> After switching to the aircraft fuel (from the ferry tank) strange things
> started happening. The 100-gallon ferry tank went dry after only 7 hours,
> burning 8 to 9 gallons per hour! Something just did not add up...
>
> Then, the G1000 started to go nuts, with the fuel indicators displaying red
> X's. Next, I received a CO2 detector failure, then GPS-1 failure! At this
> point I was thinking "What next!?"
>
> Well, I didn't have to wait long: The G1000 display suddenly went black,
> with white text in the left hand corner saying "initializing system"!
>
> (Note: All this was happening at night, locked in the soup, at FL070 and
> 200+ miles from the nearest land -- with almost no communication with a
> ground-based person!)
>
> When the G1000 got done rebooting, I found myself missing my airspeed
> indicator and fuel gauges -- and it was now displaying a bunch of other errors.
> Assessing my situation, I figured that I had no fuel gauges, the G1000 is
> continually rebooting, possible CO2 in the cabin, AND an apparent fuel leak!
>
> At this point I am thinking to myself that if I do still have full fuel in
> the aircraft tanks I could make it the 490 miles to Keflavik -- but I would be
> cutting it really close. With no indicators showing quantity, and the missing
> fuel from the ferry tank indicating a possible leak, I figured it would be best
> if I got on the HF radio, declared an emergency, and turned back to Greenland!
>
> So I declared an emergency and went in to a 100FPM climbing turning back
> toward Greenland. I received a response from a DHL & Air France airliner, who
> both relayed the emergency call. They responded that they would open the
> Narsarsuaq airport for me.
>
> "Thank You, Portable GPS Units!!" At this point, my handheld was my only
> reliable navigational aid.
>
> Upon reaching FL095 I was on top and looked to my left -- and really got
> scared!!! The aircraft vent was venting a large amount of fuel out into space!
> Thank you, Cessna for the under-wing courtesy lights!
>
> So I kept the 100 fpm climb going up to 13,000 feet (for crossing the
> icecap), and finally established radio communication with some one on the HF. I
> informed them of the fuel venting problem, and the constantly rebooting G1000
> PFD.
>
> They assure me that they have rescue team waiting and ready, in case I have
> to ditch!
>
> As I grind closer and closer to Narsarsuaq, at about 60 miles out they send
> up a rescue chopper, locate me, and guide me in, since I am unable to make the
> NDB approach with the G1000 rebooting itself. (The ADF display is tied to the
> G1000's HSI.)
>
> I spot the airport in the middle of all the black, and ATC has me do a
> steep spiraling decent all the way down to 3,000'. At that point I must
> follow the chopper, who will keep me away from the mountains... Who would have
> ever thought that knowing THAT maneuver would pay off?
>
> Everything worked as planned. On downwind I noticed that the fuel gauges
> were not red X's anymore, and were now reading full. Then, as I turned to
> final, they go to red X's again, and as I landed the G1000 once again rebooted
> as I rolled out.
>
> Now it's showing 1/2 fuel in 1 tank, and 3/4 in the other ????
>
> I taxied in and parked this bird for the night, still a bit shook up from
> the events of the past few hours. I find a bed and lay there for a few hours,
> thinking about the days events
>
> Photos from Day 2:
>
>
>
>
>
> Steven in "The Suit"
>
>
>
>
> The Skyhawk parked at Goose Bay
>
>
>
>
> Half-way from Goose Bay
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bloody hell.

[Skywise]

george152 > wrote in
:

> Bloody hell.

You can say that again. Yeah... got a redundancy theme going
on here. :)

I followed the link to the archived page and read the rest.
The story indicated that the G1000 was freaking out due to the
fuel level going too high?!?! That's a SERIOUS programming
error. Geez. How'd it ever get flight certified?

I'm only a hobbyist self taught programmer (since 1983), and I
like reading about how the most innocuous programming mistakes
can lead to utter catastrophe. I learn from it, and it reminds
me to be very very thorough when I write my software.

Anyway, I hope Garmin fixed that one.

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[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:03:03 GMT, Skywise > wrote:

>george152 > wrote in
:
>
>> Bloody hell.
>
>You can say that again. Yeah... got a redundancy theme going
>on here. :)
>
>I followed the link to the archived page and read the rest.
>The story indicated that the G1000 was freaking out due to the
>fuel level going too high?!?! That's a SERIOUS programming
>error. Geez. How'd it ever get flight certified?
>
>I'm only a hobbyist self taught programmer (since 1983), and I
>like reading about how the most innocuous programming mistakes
>can lead to utter catastrophe. I learn from it, and it reminds
>me to be very very thorough when I write my software.
>
>Anyway, I hope Garmin fixed that one.
>
>Brian


If you're a programmer, you know that nearly 50% of the code in any project is
related to error handling routines.

I'm always uncomfortable with an all glass cockpit. They are terrific when
there is power for them, but the prospect of marginal instrumentation in the
event of a power outage haunts...

Steve Rhine's, the ferry pilot in the archived story, inaugural post to this
newsgroup related a story about him and his flight instructor rolling a
non-aerobatic C-150. I had reservations about his changing carriers from
programmer to ferry pilot, but apparently he has been very successful. He now
heads his own firm International Ferry Flights:
<http://www.internationalferryflights.com/>. I'll bet he has a few more good
stories to tell about overseas ferrying...

[george152]

On 30/01/2015 10:44 p.m., Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:03:03 GMT, Skywise > wrote:
>
>> george152 > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Bloody hell.
>>
>> You can say that again. Yeah... got a redundancy theme going
>> on here. :)
>>
>> I followed the link to the archived page and read the rest.
>> The story indicated that the G1000 was freaking out due to the
>> fuel level going too high?!?! That's a SERIOUS programming
>> error. Geez. How'd it ever get flight certified?
>>
>> I'm only a hobbyist self taught programmer (since 1983), and I
>> like reading about how the most innocuous programming mistakes
>> can lead to utter catastrophe. I learn from it, and it reminds
>> me to be very very thorough when I write my software.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope Garmin fixed that one.
>>
>> Brian
>
>
> If you're a programmer, you know that nearly 50% of the code in any project is
> related to error handling routines.
>
> I'm always uncomfortable with an all glass cockpit. They are terrific when
> there is power for them, but the prospect of marginal instrumentation in the
> event of a power outage haunts...
>
> Steve Rhine's, the ferry pilot in the archived story, inaugural post to this
> newsgroup related a story about him and his flight instructor rolling a
> non-aerobatic C-150. I had reservations about his changing carriers from
> programmer to ferry pilot, but apparently he has been very successful. He now
> heads his own firm International Ferry Flights:
> <http://www.internationalferryflights.com/>. I'll bet he has a few more good
> stories to tell about overseas ferrying...
>

Rolling a non aerobatic C150 is no biggie but it could point to the old
pilot and the bold pilot.
And I never flew an aircraft with a 'glass' cockpit, saw some, made
enthusiastic noises and that was about it

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:34:49 +1300, george152 > wrote:

>
>Rolling a non aerobatic C150 is no biggie but it could point to the old
>pilot and the bold pilot.

Decades ago, when I was training, my flight instructor attempted a loop in a
C-150; we fell out of the top, and dirt rained down on us. At the time, I
didn't know better.

>And I never flew an aircraft with a 'glass' cockpit, saw some, made
>enthusiastic noises and that was about it

It sure makes life a lot easier. It'll even fly the approach for you.
Technology marches on...

[Skywise]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> If you're a programmer, you know that nearly 50% of the code in any
> project is related to error handling routines.

Or more.

Most of my code is for myself. Programming is a tool for me to be
able to accomplish something else. So for the most part I dispense
with all the extra stuff because I know what to NOT do. Although I
still have to deal with input, because a lot of my programs are
reading someone elses database and crunching the data. There's
always errors in the input that I have to look out for.

Now, for the very few programs I've intended for public consumption,
80% of the code is for the user interface and error handling.
Perhaps more. Modern GUI's are very code intensive.

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[Skywise]

Larry Dighera > wrote in
:

> It sure makes life a lot easier. It'll even fly the approach for you.
> Technology marches on...

But NEVER become reliant on it. If you can't fly on steam, take
a refresher, or stay on the ground.

It's disturbing to think that airline pilots, the ones with
thousands of hours, suddenly forget the basics you learn in the
first week of training when something goes wrong.

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[george152]

On 31/01/2015 12:17 p.m., Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:34:49 +1300, george152 > wrote:
>
>>
>> Rolling a non aerobatic C150 is no biggie but it could point to the old
>> pilot and the bold pilot.
>
> Decades ago, when I was training, my flight instructor attempted a loop in a
> C-150; we fell out of the top, and dirt rained down on us. At the time, I
> didn't know better.
There's a lot of people out here who don't know about that :)
Mine was a demonstrated stall with a pax and I didn't secure the covers
on the ashtrays

>> And I never flew an aircraft with a 'glass' cockpit, saw some, made
>> enthusiastic noises and that was about it
>
> It sure makes life a lot easier. It'll even fly the approach for you.
> Technology marches on...
I started when the airfield was non audio. The only Approach aid was the
light gun and the Controller in the tower

[Bug Dout]

Skywise > writes:

> it reminds
> me to be very very thorough when I write my software.

Being thorough doesn't prevent errors in any activity...it might only
reduce the frequency of errors.
--
Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality, for one
very rich man; there must be at least five hundred poor.
~ Adam Smith

[Bug Dout]

Skywise > writes:

> But NEVER become reliant on it. If you can't fly on steam, take
> a refresher, or stay on the ground.

Oh bull****. If you can't fly entirely by the old radio range, take a
refresher. If you can't fly a taildragger, you're not a real pilot, and
other bull**** from ignorants.
--
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat." --Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News
interview, March 30, 2003

[Skywise]

Bug Dout > wrote in
:

> Skywise > writes:
>
>> But NEVER become reliant on it. If you can't fly on steam, take
>> a refresher, or stay on the ground.
>
> Oh bull****. If you can't fly entirely by the old radio range, take a
> refresher. If you can't fly a taildragger, you're not a real pilot, and
> other bull**** from ignorants.

WOOOOOOSH!!!!!

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[Skywise]

Bug Dout > wrote in
:

> Skywise > writes:
>
>> it reminds
>> me to be very very thorough when I write my software.
>
> Being thorough doesn't prevent errors in any activity...it might only
> reduce the frequency of errors.

True. Rarely is software perfect. But that's no excuse NOT to
make the effort.

I'm just a little astounded that the software engnineers at Garmin
did not have account for all data inputs going out of expected ranges,
in either direction. Yeah, how can a fuel tank ever be more full than
"Full", but obviously it happened, and the system failed due to the
lack of checking.

Failure to bounds check data input is why a lot of software breaks,
or allows hackers to run malicious code. Look up "buffer overflow".

I'll make it easy for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow

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