iGlide

[Ben S]

If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

[John Carlyle]

I like it a lot! The terrain map is the best I've seen (as judged from the depiction of the ridges around Mifflin). Ease of use (moving turn points, menus) is very good, and customization is also very good (you can change practically everything using xml files). I don't know about an iPhone 5, but an iPhone 6 is much brighter than an iPhone 4. I highly recommend iGlide.

-John, Q3

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

[ben]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

Your experience is with iGlide Pro? What instrument generates your NMEA data and how do get it to the iPhone? Are you dependent on Air Avionics for maps, airspace, and contest turnpoint lists?

[John Carlyle]

Yes, I use iGlide Pro. My Butterfly Vario sends me the NMEA data via WiFi, along with real-time wind data. Other iGlide users at my club get the NMEA data from the iPhone itself. I use the Air Avionics maps, but my airspace and contest turnpoints come from World Wide Turnpoint Exchange (iGlide uses OpenAir txt files for airspace, and cup or dat files for turn points).

-John, Q3


On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:38:20 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> Your experience is with iGlide Pro? What instrument generates your NMEA data and how do get it to the iPhone? Are you dependent on Air Avionics for maps, airspace, and contest turnpoint lists?

[Sean Fidler]

Use it, love it. Have used it now for almost 2 years (Pro). When I first used it, I was surprised that it did not offer statute miles (US contests)! I asked fr them to add that and they put out an update within a week that solved the problem. As I don't have the butterfly vario, I have not experience the totally integrated system. I imagine the Bluetooth connect works well. The IGlide UI is far more intuitive than Oudie or XCSoar. Apple is very strong and the app uses the basic OS standards. Pinch to zoom, etc. The sunlight readability of an iPhone is not great but a simple change of angle in my hand and the problem is quickly solved. Direct sunlight on a fixed mount...your either going to have to move your head or take it off the mount to see it. I use it exclusively for cross country around home and when not flying a task. In contests I use it as a backup (along with Oudie).. I have always found it much easier to work out various possible combinations of turnpoints in a MAT. The TAT functions in Pro are very good and easy to use. Changing the target in the turn area and recalculating the finish time is fairly easy and reasonably accurate. The price is high and XC soar is very, very good. Apples to apples I would probably say take XC soar for free. But it really comes down to iPhone/Android. If your an Apple person and have 200? bucks laying around, it is an excellent, well supported app. If your not doing contests, or don't have $200 handy, skip Pro and buy the less expensive version. You can always upgrade later in seconds.

I don't like Oudie's but the work and Integrate nicely with my trustee SN10.. IGlide is much more fun to play with, view terrain, etc.

[jfitch]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 11:15:06 AM UTC-8, ben wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

I like it (pro version). The authoritative tests on the iPhone 5 vs. 6 indicate that the 6 might be very slightly brighter. But the 6 and particularly the 6 plus have a larger (and much larger) display, which contributes to readability.

[ben]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

Does anyone have experience with both iGlide and WinPilot for iPhone? Please compare.

[jfitch]

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 5:24:46 AM UTC-8, ben wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> > If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> > Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> > readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>
> Does anyone have experience with both iGlide and WinPilot for iPhone? Please compare.

I have both at current release level, and have used both since they were first offered. Both have a much more advanced user interface than the other offerings available (I also have and have run Winpilot PDA, SYM, XCSoar, LK8000, SN10, GlideNav and some of their predecessors). Both will do stand-alone GPS or external GPS/barometrics (though they must be connected through WiFi). Here is my take:

WinPilot iOS:

Pro:

* Less expensive
* Better choice of graphics/fonts for small screen, improves legibility
* More flexible task editing
* Choice of map overlays/styles
* Integrated airport database similar to Winpilot PDA

Cons:
* Buggier, support often slow responding
* More complicated task editing
* Less configurability/accessibility to "nav box" information

iGlide:

Pro:
* Very slick and fluid full iOS user interface - easily a decade ahead of SYM, XCSoar, etc.
* Very good integration with the Butterfly Vario
* One touch task editing
* Very configurable presentation and style via XML style template
* Beautiful terrain maps
* When used with Butterfly vario, instantaneous wind driven thermal assistant is surprisingly good
* Good support and relatively bug free
* Instant access (finger swipe) to endless fully configurable nav box information

Con:
* More expensive, particularly pro version
* No free try-before-buy version
* Some fonts/graphics too small for small screen and middle aged eyes
* No barometric based thermal assistant
* Some US tasking features not implemented


That is what springs to mind in 10 minutes thought. I will continue to try to use both, a new version of Winpilot was just released (and seems nicely updated) and there is an update to iGlide coming this spring I am told. I would recommend an iPhone 6, and preferably 6 Plus for their larger screens. I have used these on a 5s the last two seasons and you either need young eyes, or bifocals and mount the iPhone closer to you than you would need to with say an Oudie class PDA. I will be getting a 6 Plus for the upcoming season, it has as big a screen as anything out there. The brightness of these is in the 550 nit range, vs. 800 or a bit more for the OudieII/Avier. However the screen resolution is maybe 5 times better which helps. You may want to consider one of the many anti-reflective screen overlays, as reflections are the worst problem. All of the iPads are down below 400 nits, and wash out pretty badly in the sun.

The phone will only run maybe 3 hours on its internal battery, so you need to supply ships power to it. The current draw for an iphone 5s isn't too bad, about 400 ma at full brightness. Another thing to consider is that all iPhones have thermal protection, in the bright sun on a hot day on the ramp at Truckee (80 - 90 deg F) and no air circulation I have had them shut down.. At 18000 ft and 20 deg F ambient it isn't a problem. You need to mount them where they can receive some air circulation and/or are shaded from direct sun.

Do you have any specific questions?

[Greg Delp]

What US tasking procedures aren't supported by iGlide? I'm considering buying one or the other as XCSoar is ending their windows CE support.

[6PK]

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-8, jfitch wrote:
> On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 5:24:46 AM UTC-8, ben wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, ben wrote:
> > > If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> > > Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> > > readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with both iGlide and WinPilot for iPhone? Please compare.
>
> I have both at current release level, and have used both since they were first offered. Both have a much more advanced user interface than the other offerings available (I also have and have run Winpilot PDA, SYM, XCSoar, LK8000, SN10, GlideNav and some of their predecessors). Both will do stand-alone GPS or external GPS/barometrics (though they must be connected through WiFi). Here is my take:
>
> WinPilot iOS:
>
> Pro:
>
> * Less expensive
> * Better choice of graphics/fonts for small screen, improves legibility
> * More flexible task editing
> * Choice of map overlays/styles
> * Integrated airport database similar to Winpilot PDA
>
> Cons:
> * Buggier, support often slow responding
> * More complicated task editing
> * Less configurability/accessibility to "nav box" information
>
> iGlide:
>
> Pro:
> * Very slick and fluid full iOS user interface - easily a decade ahead of SYM, XCSoar, etc.
> * Very good integration with the Butterfly Vario
> * One touch task editing
> * Very configurable presentation and style via XML style template
> * Beautiful terrain maps
> * When used with Butterfly vario, instantaneous wind driven thermal assistant is surprisingly good
> * Good support and relatively bug free
> * Instant access (finger swipe) to endless fully configurable nav box information
>
> Con:
> * More expensive, particularly pro version
> * No free try-before-buy version
> * Some fonts/graphics too small for small screen and middle aged eyes
> * No barometric based thermal assistant
> * Some US tasking features not implemented
>
>
> That is what springs to mind in 10 minutes thought. I will continue to try to use both, a new version of Winpilot was just released (and seems nicely updated) and there is an update to iGlide coming this spring I am told. I would recommend an iPhone 6, and preferably 6 Plus for their larger screens. I have used these on a 5s the last two seasons and you either need young eyes, or bifocals and mount the iPhone closer to you than you would need to with say an Oudie class PDA. I will be getting a 6 Plus for the upcoming season, it has as big a screen as anything out there. The brightness of these is in the 550 nit range, vs. 800 or a bit more for the OudieII/Avier. However the screen resolution is maybe 5 times better which helps. You may want to consider one of the many anti-reflective screen overlays, as reflections are the worst problem. All of the iPads are down below 400 nits, and wash out pretty badly in the sun.
>
> The phone will only run maybe 3 hours on its internal battery, so you need to supply ships power to it. The current draw for an iphone 5s isn't too bad, about 400 ma at full brightness. Another thing to consider is that all iPhones have thermal protection, in the bright sun on a hot day on the ramp at Truckee (80 - 90 deg F) and no air circulation I have had them shut down. At 18000 ft and 20 deg F ambient it isn't a problem. You need to mount them where they can receive some air circulation and/or are shaded from direct sun.
>
> Do you have any specific questions?

jfitch wrote:

"* Integrated airport database similar to Winpilot PDA *"
This is one of the features I always liked better than all the others.
However this feature was not updated (as in totally out of date) now for two years. When I asked about it the answer was that the IOS version is where it's at now ( despite the fact that the Windows version is still available for sale).
Who is to say that the IOS aviation/airport database will be updated in the future with this attitude??

[Sean Fidler]

1 or Zero turn MAT tasking is not supported, that is for sure.

[jfitch]

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, Greg Delp wrote:
> What US tasking procedures aren't supported by iGlide? I'm considering buying one or the other as XCSoar is ending their windows CE support.

I am not much of a racer, maybe John Carlyle will step in here with more information.

The tasks supported by iGlide are Free, Speed (AT), Speed AAT and Distance AAT.

Free task is like touring and you are allowed to move and add waypoints during the task, these are cylinders only and all the same.

Speed allows all the normal types of turn point characteristics but will not allow you to add or subtract them from the task. You can add points for weather or terrain management, but these do not have turnpoint characteristics - they are simple points.

Speed AAT is an AAT with a minimum time, Distance AAT is an AAT with a maximum time. Again these will not allow you to add or subtract waypoints, though you can move the waypoint within the cylinders at will (and all the appropriate calculations are done). Again you can add waypoints to bend your course but these have no characteristics like cylinder radius etc. and are not treated as an assigned area.

Missing is the ability to add AAT turnpoints on the fly without exiting the task, editing it, then restarting it and advancing up to where you are. Or at least I don't know how to do that.

It has automatic optimization for FAI and OLC tasks.

I believe Air/Butterfly said they were intending to add US rules tasks over the winter but I haven't seen them yet.


John?

[John Carlyle]

Jon touched on most of the iGlide task features. Butterfly has said they will be putting US Rules into iGlide, but they haven't done so yet. This will be the ability to define and fly MAT tasks, as well as the ability to move the actual turn point within the 1 mile circle in an AT to get more accurate statistics.

In addition to what Jon described for the Speed (AT), Speed AAT and Distance AAT tasks, they also permit multiple types of turn points, including Start Line, Finish Line, Start Cylinder, Finish Cylinder, Cylinder, Sector and Keyhole (a cylinder and sector combination). You can change many properties of a turn point (size, bisector angle, included angle), as well as define a minimum altitude, a maximum altitude, and a maximum speed for each turn point. You can drag turn points to different spots in the task list, delete turn points, add new turn points, or even invert a whole route.

When you make a start a window pops up for a few seconds with your start time. If you then go back into the start area and leave once more, iGlide treats that as a new start. Unfortunately there is no timer to help you stay below the start altitude for a set time if you reenter the start area.

As Jon said, there is no way to add or delete turn points once the task is activated. You can exit the task, edit it, and then restart it, but you'll lose all your flight statistics and unless you are in the start gate you won't get another start, either.

The list of in-flight statistics you can get is very long, and should satisfy any racer. Side views of the airspace can be seen along with the terrain along your present flight path (or route), as well as a barogram of your flight. You can add, delete and shuffle statistics and views as you wish, and place them at either the top of the screen or the bottom of the screen as you desire.

Hope this helps.

-John, Q3

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, Greg Delp wrote:
> > What US tasking procedures aren't supported by iGlide? I'm considering buying one or the other as XCSoar is ending their windows CE support.
>
> I am not much of a racer, maybe John Carlyle will step in here with more information.
>
> The tasks supported by iGlide are Free, Speed (AT), Speed AAT and Distance AAT.
>
> Free task is like touring and you are allowed to move and add waypoints during the task, these are cylinders only and all the same.
>
> Speed allows all the normal types of turn point characteristics but will not allow you to add or subtract them from the task. You can add points for weather or terrain management, but these do not have turnpoint characteristics - they are simple points.
>
> Speed AAT is an AAT with a minimum time, Distance AAT is an AAT with a maximum time. Again these will not allow you to add or subtract waypoints, though you can move the waypoint within the cylinders at will (and all the appropriate calculations are done). Again you can add waypoints to bend your course but these have no characteristics like cylinder radius etc. and are not treated as an assigned area.
>
> Missing is the ability to add AAT turnpoints on the fly without exiting the task, editing it, then restarting it and advancing up to where you are. Or at least I don't know how to do that.
>
> It has automatic optimization for FAI and OLC tasks.
>
> I believe Air/Butterfly said they were intending to add US rules tasks over the winter but I haven't seen them yet.
>
>
> John?

[jfitch]

On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 7:40:23 AM UTC-8, John Carlyle wrote:
> Jon touched on most of the iGlide task features. Butterfly has said they will be putting US Rules into iGlide, but they haven't done so yet. This will be the ability to define and fly MAT tasks, as well as the ability to move the actual turn point within the 1 mile circle in an AT to get more accurate statistics.
>
> In addition to what Jon described for the Speed (AT), Speed AAT and Distance AAT tasks, they also permit multiple types of turn points, including Start Line, Finish Line, Start Cylinder, Finish Cylinder, Cylinder, Sector and Keyhole (a cylinder and sector combination). You can change many properties of a turn point (size, bisector angle, included angle), as well as define a minimum altitude, a maximum altitude, and a maximum speed for each turn point. You can drag turn points to different spots in the task list, delete turn points, add new turn points, or even invert a whole route.
>
> When you make a start a window pops up for a few seconds with your start time. If you then go back into the start area and leave once more, iGlide treats that as a new start. Unfortunately there is no timer to help you stay below the start altitude for a set time if you reenter the start area.
>
> As Jon said, there is no way to add or delete turn points once the task is activated. You can exit the task, edit it, and then restart it, but you'll lose all your flight statistics and unless you are in the start gate you won't get another start, either.
>
> The list of in-flight statistics you can get is very long, and should satisfy any racer. Side views of the airspace can be seen along with the terrain along your present flight path (or route), as well as a barogram of your flight. You can add, delete and shuffle statistics and views as you wish, and place them at either the top of the screen or the bottom of the screen as you desire.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -John, Q3
>
> On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, Greg Delp wrote:
> > > What US tasking procedures aren't supported by iGlide? I'm considering buying one or the other as XCSoar is ending their windows CE support.
> >
> > I am not much of a racer, maybe John Carlyle will step in here with more information.
> >
> > The tasks supported by iGlide are Free, Speed (AT), Speed AAT and Distance AAT.
> >
> > Free task is like touring and you are allowed to move and add waypoints during the task, these are cylinders only and all the same.
> >
> > Speed allows all the normal types of turn point characteristics but will not allow you to add or subtract them from the task. You can add points for weather or terrain management, but these do not have turnpoint characteristics - they are simple points.
> >
> > Speed AAT is an AAT with a minimum time, Distance AAT is an AAT with a maximum time. Again these will not allow you to add or subtract waypoints, though you can move the waypoint within the cylinders at will (and all the appropriate calculations are done). Again you can add waypoints to bend your course but these have no characteristics like cylinder radius etc. and are not treated as an assigned area.
> >
> > Missing is the ability to add AAT turnpoints on the fly without exiting the task, editing it, then restarting it and advancing up to where you are.. Or at least I don't know how to do that.
> >
> > It has automatic optimization for FAI and OLC tasks.
> >
> > I believe Air/Butterfly said they were intending to add US rules tasks over the winter but I haven't seen them yet.
> >
> >
> > John?

John, you can move the TP within a cylinder in an AAT task now, no? It lets me drag the TP anywhere, but confined to the cylinder. Final distance is instantly updated as well as other stats. It also lets you do this for other TP shapes.

[John Carlyle]

Yes, Jon, you can move the TP within the AAT task type turn zone. You cannot move the TP within the AT task type turn circle, though. US rules allow the latter to help reduce congestion a bit.

-John, Q3


On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> John, you can move the TP within a cylinder in an AAT task now, no? It lets me drag the TP anywhere, but confined to the cylinder. Final distance is instantly updated as well as other stats. It also lets you do this for other TP shapes.

[jfitch]

On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 9:22:35 AM UTC-8, John Carlyle wrote:
> Yes, Jon, you can move the TP within the AAT task type turn zone. You cannot move the TP within the AT task type turn circle, though. US rules allow the latter to help reduce congestion a bit.
>
> -John, Q3
>
>
> On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> > John, you can move the TP within a cylinder in an AAT task now, no? It lets me drag the TP anywhere, but confined to the cylinder. Final distance is instantly updated as well as other stats. It also lets you do this for other TP shapes.

Right-o. In fact it does the distances etc assuming optimum intersection with the cylinder boundary relative to course I think.

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 11:15:06 AM UTC-8, Ben S wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

Does anybody know what the red X is that shows up on the magenta line?

[jfitch]

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 4:34:12 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 11:15:06 AM UTC-8, Ben S wrote:
> > If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> > Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> > readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>
> Does anybody know what the red X is that shows up on the magenta line?

The red X represents your final resting place due to collision with terrain.

[John Foster]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-7, Ben S wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

Is iGlide "secure" enough to use for badge flights here in the US? I have the basic version, which will show your flight path on the map, but doesn't offer much more than that, and am thinking of upgrading to a better version this season. I'll be running it on either an iPhone 6 Plus or an iPhone XS Max.

[kinsell]

On 2/11/20 11:09 PM, John Foster wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-7, Ben S wrote:
>> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>
> Is iGlide "secure" enough to use for badge flights here in the US? I have the basic version, which will show your flight path on the map, but doesn't offer much more than that, and am thinking of upgrading to a better version this season. I'll be running it on either an iPhone 6 Plus or an iPhone XS Max.
>

Nope. From page two of this guide:

https://www.ssa.org/files/member/b&rguide.pdf


SC3 provides for individual countries to approve
off-the-shelf GPS Position Recorders for recording Silver or Gold
Badge flights. As of 15 May2010, no such recorders have been
approved for use in the US.

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
> On 2/11/20 11:09 PM, John Foster wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-7, Ben S wrote:
> >> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> >> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> >> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
> >
> > Is iGlide "secure" enough to use for badge flights here in the US? I have the basic version, which will show your flight path on the map, but doesn't offer much more than that, and am thinking of upgrading to a better version this season. I'll be running it on either an iPhone 6 Plus or an iPhone XS Max.
> >
>
> Nope. From page two of this guide:
>
> https://www.ssa.org/files/member/b&rguide.pdf
>
>
> SC3 provides for individual countries to approve
> off-the-shelf GPS Position Recorders for recording Silver or Gold
> Badge flights. As of 15 May2010, no such recorders have been
> approved for use in the US.

According to the list at http://www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/position_recorders.htm, which is maintained on the web site of the Chairman of the GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC) of the International Gliding Commission of FAI, the Soaring Society of America has only approved the "FlyWithCE" and the "FlyWithCE FR300" as position recorders (updated 2018). I've OO'd a number of Silver badge legs with FR300's in Canada.

[kinsell]

On 2/12/20 3:14 PM, Dan Daly wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
>> On 2/11/20 11:09 PM, John Foster wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-7, Ben S wrote:
>>>> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>>>> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>>>> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>>>
>>> Is iGlide "secure" enough to use for badge flights here in the US? I have the basic version, which will show your flight path on the map, but doesn't offer much more than that, and am thinking of upgrading to a better version this season. I'll be running it on either an iPhone 6 Plus or an iPhone XS Max.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. From page two of this guide:
>>
>> https://www.ssa.org/files/member/b&rguide.pdf
>>
>>
>> SC3 provides for individual countries to approve
>> off-the-shelf GPS Position Recorders for recording Silver or Gold
>> Badge flights. As of 15 May2010, no such recorders have been
>> approved for use in the US.
>
> According to the list at http://www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/position_recorders.htm, which is maintained on the web site of the Chairman of the GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC) of the International Gliding Commission of FAI, the Soaring Society of America has only approved the "FlyWithCE" and the "FlyWithCE FR300" as position recorders (updated 2018). I've OO'd a number of Silver badge legs with FR300's in Canada.
>
>
>

Looks like the SSA has updated info that matches what you postd. Page 7
of this:

https://www.ssa.org/files/member/B&RGuide_2019.pdf

I'll see if the record keeper can get the obsolete info removed.

Dave

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?

Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung S10 and its free.

[6PK]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 5:15:11 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
> > If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> > Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> > readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>
> Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung S10 and its free.

Top Hat as well as XCSoar has a logging function..

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:49:13 -0800, 6PK wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 5:15:11 PM UTC-8,
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
>> > If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>> > Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>> > readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>>
>> Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide
>> computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung
>> S10 and its free.
>
> Top Hat as well as XCSoar has a logging function..

So does the other clone, LK8000. It writes G records at the end of a log,
so I suppose that means that XCsoar and TopHat do too.

But AFAIK none of these are accepted anywhere as equivalent to a secure
FR or PR, which means they can't be used for badge claims. They're fine
for the BGAladder and similar national league tables. I don't use OLC so
don't know if they will accept logs from them.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[kinsell]

On 2/13/20 10:23 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:49:13 -0800, 6PK wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 5:15:11 PM UTC-8,
>> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
>>>> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>>>> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>>>> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>>>
>>> Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide
>>> computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung
>>> S10 and its free.
>>
>> Top Hat as well as XCSoar has a logging function..
>
> So does the other clone, LK8000. It writes G records at the end of a log,
> so I suppose that means that XCsoar and TopHat do too.
>
> But AFAIK none of these are accepted anywhere as equivalent to a secure
> FR or PR, which means they can't be used for badge claims. They're fine
> for the BGAladder and similar national league tables. I don't use OLC so
> don't know if they will accept logs from them.
>

Yes OLC will accept them. Unless you're a motorglider, they don't
record engine noise.

[Dan Marotta]

Top Hat igc files are acceptable for OLC flights, but not for badges.

On 2/12/2020 6:15 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
>> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
> Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung S10 and its free.

--
Dan, 5J

[jfitch]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:43:10 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Top Hat igc files are acceptable for OLC flights, but not for badges.
>
> On 2/12/2020 6:15 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
> >> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
> >> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
> >> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
> > Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung S10 and its free.
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

iGlide will upload your IGC file directly to OLC from the phone, no intermediate steps at all.

[kinsell]

On 2/13/20 7:04 PM, jfitch wrote:
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:43:10 PM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Top Hat igc files are acceptable for OLC flights, but not for badges.
>>
>> On 2/12/2020 6:15 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-5, Ben S wrote:
>>>> If you are an Air Avionics iGlide user, please share your evaluation.
>>>> Also interested in knowing if you are happy with the sunlight
>>>> readability of your iPhone. Is iPhone 6 brighter than iPhone 5?
>>> Top Hat https://www.tophatsoaring.org/ is another excellent glide computer (glide computer only, not a logger). Impressive on a Samsung S10 and its free.
>>
>> --
>> Dan, 5J
>
> iGlide will upload your IGC file directly to OLC from the phone, no intermediate steps at all.
>

Does iGlide record engine noise level? Flying a Stemme, he would need that.

[Wade G]

No engine noise level with iGlide sadly. I fly a ASH-26e and have inquired about this. I really like iGlide but all of my flights using it are not qualified for OLC.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Wade G wrote on 2/14/2020 9:52 PM:
> No engine noise level with iGlide sadly. I fly a ASH-26e and have inquired about this. I really like iGlide but all of my flights using it are not qualified for OLC.
>
I also use iGlide in a 26E. iGlide isn't alone in this regard, as none of the
software supplied flight computers detect engine noise level (ENL). It's not a
problem for me, as I can upload an IGC file from my Flarm or my vario. I say it's
time for you to do an instrument upgrade: get a Flarm, a vario with ENL, or a IGC
flight recorder that has ENL. All of these will add other useful features than
just the OLC capability, somewhat mitigating the additional cost.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Wade G]

‘‘Twas time! Just installed a LXNav S10. Though small (57mm), it’s a heck of a setup. I like the loads of setup options. Youthful eyes are needed for it but I’ve got it set up for quick glances and eyes back outside.