CNVV question

[Don Davidson]

Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.

First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?

Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.

Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Don Davidson

[Mike the Strike]

Don:

I can at least answer the question about ordering dinner. First, learn some useful phrases including polite greetings and how to apologize in French. You'll find plenty of English speakers in most areas and they will be happy to help you when your French runs out. You'll get lots of bonus points for trying, though.

Just watch out for how locals utilize language. For example "merci", although translated as "thank-you" is often shorthand for "non merci" ("no thank you") when offered food at a table! Also watch out for some of the colloquial names for some dishes - they often don't translate well (think "pigs in a blanket", for example!)

Many years ago, I was deposited in a rural village with not one English speaker and just rudimentary French grammar from school. I didn't starve and had a great time. I keep going back to the country as I find France very civilized in comparison with some places I have lived. It's hard to find bad food.

Mike

[waremark]

On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
> Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
>
> First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
>
> Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
>
> Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best regards,
> Don Davidson

Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.

[Muttley]

Hi Don
No problem at the CNVV with English only. Double Room Accomodation at the Centre in the North Building is quite good, but somewhat basic. La Bonne Etape Hotel in Chateau-Arnoux (5min) is tops but also expensive. Moustier and the Georges du Verdun are a must to visit. Also not to far from the Coast - Marseille - Nice - Monaco
Enjoy your stay
Muttley

[Bruce Hoult]

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+13, waremark wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
> > Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
> >
> > First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
> >
> > Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
> >
> > Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Don Davidson
>
> Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.

It's not much of a table! And you don't want to be looking at a bit of paper.

[Per Carlin]

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 6:15:38 AM UTC+1, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+13, waremark wrote:
> > On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
> > > Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
> > >
> > > First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
> > >
> > > Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
> > >
> > > Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Don Davidson
> >
> > Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.
>
> It's not much of a table! And you don't want to be looking at a bit of paper.
>
> Thermal at 80 - 100
> Cruise at 130 - 150+
> Safe speed near the ground in the gap between those ranges, depending on wind
>
> Quick and dirty 1000 m is 3000 ft. Add 10% if you have time.

Don't bother about hight at StAuban, it will be close to the ground in 90% of the flyging time.

Speed is important, you will learn quite fast the correct speed depending on situation. You will also learn to not spend time at the instrument. Look out is a survival instinct that you need to adopt fast when flyging in the French Alps.

[Justin Craig[_3_]]

Hi Don,

We have a family house just outside Sisteron (bought for gliding) the whole
area is beautiful and I would echo that Moustier is a must visit. Take the
Route Napoleon which takes you through the lavender fields.

Accommodation

I guess this depends what you wife wants to do during her days? The
airfield at St Auban does have a pool, but it will be "airfield"
accommodation. If she would like to get out and about then staying an Aux
en Provence might be worth considering. It is an easy drive of about a 45
minutes straight up the A51. The airfield is 1 km from the auto route.

Do you want hotel or rent a villa / house. Plenty of of lovely houses with
pools to rent locally. If you stay close to the airfield then your wife has
the freedom of the car.

Another place to recommend on a non gliding day is lunch in the coastal
town of Cassis...absolutely stunning.

Have a look at John Bridges website:

http://www.aircross.co.uk/sisteron/Links.htm

http://www.tourism-alps-provence.com/

If you have any questions, please do email me off the forum.

Justin




At 21:05 26 February 2015, Don Davidson wrote:
>Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban
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>Thanks in advance.
>
>Best regards,
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>
>

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:52:32 -0800, waremark wrote:

> Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from
> knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar
> units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.
>
Last time I did this: flying a totally unfamiliar glider type (Duo) with
unfamiliar metric instruments over a new area for me (Wiener Neustadt) I
had no problem with speeds or altitude, but did find I was misreading the
vario in sink. I kept taking a -2 reading as meaning 2 kts of sink when
it was double that in reality. As a result I had a tendency to think "no
problem" rather than "lets stick the nose down and get out of here" .


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Bob Pasker]

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:05:51 PM UTC-5, Don Davidson wrote:
> Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.

on the way to Cannes, about 2.5 hours away from the airport, you will find one of the most amazing restaurants you have ever been to: Hotel Deux Rocs. As Michelin says, "worth a detour"

http://www.hoteldeuxrocs.com/en/en-restaurant-seillans-canton-de-fayence-83440.html

[Tango Whisky]

Le vendredi 27 février 2015 13:24:36 UTC+1, Bob Pasker a écrit*:
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:05:51 PM UTC-5, Don Davidson wrote:
> > Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
>
> on the way to Cannes, about 2.5 hours away from the airport, you will find one of the most amazing restaurants you have ever been to: Hotel Deux Rocs. As Michelin says, "worth a detour"
>
> http://www.hoteldeuxrocs.com/en/en-restaurant-seillans-canton-de-fayence-83440.html

Be careful. In Seillans and the villages around it there are a couple of very nice restaurants. And the airfield of Fayence (one of the biggests clubs in the South) is just 10 minutes away.
You might be sucked away and never want to leave...

[[email protected]]

The language at St Aubon is not a problem. They will pair you with and instructor that speaks english. They have two weather briefings in the morning; one in french and one in english.

Lots of nice places to stay that are fairly close. Consider the town of Digne. It is an historic spa location with some nice lodgings.

Use Trip Advisor, Yelp, and VRBO. Lots of options.

[Don Davidson]

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:24:36 AM UTC-8, Bob Pasker wrote:
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:05:51 PM UTC-5, Don Davidson wrote:
> > Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
>
> on the way to Cannes, about 2.5 hours away from the airport, you will find one of the most amazing restaurants you have ever been to: Hotel Deux Rocs. As Michelin says, "worth a detour"
>
> http://www.hoteldeuxrocs.com/en/en-restaurant-seillans-canton-de-fayence-83440.html

Thanks very much to all for the helpful suggestions and tips. This is a great start for our planning purposes.
Best regards,
Don Davidson

[[email protected]]

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:34:05 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> The language at St Aubon is not a problem. They will pair you with and instructor that speaks english. They have two weather briefings in the morning; one in french and one in english.
>
> Lots of nice places to stay that are fairly close. Consider the town of Digne. It is an historic spa location with some nice lodgings.
>
> Use Trip Advisor, Yelp, and VRBO. Lots of options.

Anyone know of links that explain how an pilot licensed in the United States can get approved to fly gliders in France?

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 2:23:14 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:34:05 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > The language at St Aubon is not a problem. They will pair you with and instructor that speaks english. They have two weather briefings in the morning; one in french and one in english.
> >
> > Lots of nice places to stay that are fairly close. Consider the town of Digne. It is an historic spa location with some nice lodgings.
> >
> > Use Trip Advisor, Yelp, and VRBO. Lots of options.
>
> Anyone know of links that explain how an pilot licensed in the United States can get approved to fly gliders in France?

I think the rules may be changing for this year so I would make sure you only look at current rules.

[[email protected]]

I have gone five times.
You need to start the process about four months before you will leave the U.S.
You need a second class medical as a glider pilot.
You mail your application, a copy of your medical, a copy of your pilot license, the photo page of your passport, and money to the French agency.
CNVV will give you all the details.
Call them.
They speak english on the phone.

[Don Davidson]

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 3:20:19 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> I have gone five times.
> You need to start the process about four months before you will leave the U.S.
> You need a second class medical as a glider pilot.
> You mail your application, a copy of your medical, a copy of your pilot license, the photo page of your passport, and money to the French agency.
> CNVV will give you all the details.
> Call them.
> They speak english on the phone.

Do all those requirements apply if you're only planning to fly dual with a pilot who holds the appropriate French license and medical?

[[email protected]]

I suggest you call CNVV and ask those questions.
Go to the source.

[Dan Marotta]

Wouldn't that make you a "passenger"? Legally speaking, of course.

On 3/3/2015 5:22 PM, Don Davidson wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 3:20:19 PM UTC-8, wrote:
>> I have gone five times.
>> You need to start the process about four months before you will leave the U.S.
>> You need a second class medical as a glider pilot.
>> You mail your application, a copy of your medical, a copy of your pilot license, the photo page of your passport, and money to the French agency.
>> CNVV will give you all the details.
>> Call them.
>> They speak english on the phone.
> Do all those requirements apply if you're only planning to fly dual with a pilot who holds the appropriate French license and medical?

--
Dan Marotta

[[email protected]]

Just curious if someone could comment about the "pucker factor" of flying in the French Alps. I remember Bill Bartel saying that is the most terrifying flying he had ever done. Do not really remember why, but the congestion in the air and limited handout spots were a real attention getter. I might have remembered this wrong but would love to hear from U.S. based flyers have have sampled the wonders of flying the French Alps. Must be the most majestic views of any flying.


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:25:25 PM UTC-8, Per Carlin wrote:
> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 6:15:38 AM UTC+1, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> > On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+13, waremark wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
> > > > Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
> > > >
> > > > First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
> > > >
> > > > Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Don Davidson
> > >
> > > Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.
> >
> > It's not much of a table! And you don't want to be looking at a bit of paper.
> >
> > Thermal at 80 - 100
> > Cruise at 130 - 150+
> > Safe speed near the ground in the gap between those ranges, depending on wind
> >
> > Quick and dirty 1000 m is 3000 ft. Add 10% if you have time.
>
> Don't bother about hight at StAuban, it will be close to the ground in 90% of the flyging time.
>
> Speed is important, you will learn quite fast the correct speed depending on situation. You will also learn to not spend time at the instrument. Look out is a survival instinct that you need to adopt fast when flyging in the French Alps.

[Dan Marotta]

If you haven't flown the central Rockies, you should look into that, as
well. We're putting on a camp 20-28 June based in Salida, CO this
year. No registration fees, no equipment requirements except for beer
after flying. Just show up.

Oh, yeah... Our mountains run perpendicular to the prevailing winds, if
you know what I'm saying...

On 3/7/2015 1:00 PM, wrote:
> Just curious if someone could comment about the "pucker factor" of flying in the French Alps. I remember Bill Bartel saying that is the most terrifying flying he had ever done. Do not really remember why, but the congestion in the air and limited handout spots were a real attention getter. I might have remembered this wrong but would love to hear from U.S. based flyers have have sampled the wonders of flying the French Alps. Must be the most majestic views of any flying.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:25:25 PM UTC-8, Per Carlin wrote:
>> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 6:15:38 AM UTC+1, Bruce Hoult wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+13, waremark wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Don Davidson
>>>> Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.
>>> It's not much of a table! And you don't want to be looking at a bit of paper.
>>>
>>> Thermal at 80 - 100
>>> Cruise at 130 - 150+
>>> Safe speed near the ground in the gap between those ranges, depending on wind
>>>
>>> Quick and dirty 1000 m is 3000 ft. Add 10% if you have time.
>> Don't bother about hight at StAuban, it will be close to the ground in 90% of the flyging time.
>>
>> Speed is important, you will learn quite fast the correct speed depending on situation. You will also learn to not spend time at the instrument. Look out is a survival instinct that you need to adopt fast when flyging in the French Alps.

--
Dan Marotta

[Peter Scholz[_3_]]

Am 07.03.2015 um 21:00 schrieb :
> Just curious if someone could comment about the "pucker factor" of flying in the French Alps. I remember Bill Bartel saying that is the most terrifying flying he had ever done. Do not really remember why, but the congestion in the air and limited handout spots were a real attention getter. I might have remembered this wrong but would love to hear from U.S. based flyers have have sampled the wonders of flying the French Alps. Must be the most majestic views of any flying.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:25:25 PM UTC-8, Per Carlin wrote:
>> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 6:15:38 AM UTC+1, Bruce Hoult wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+13, waremark wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:05:51 UTC, Don Davidson wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I'm planning to attend a mountain flying course at CNVV in St. Auban in June, and I'm trying to get answers to a couple of questions from others who have flown there.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I speak only enough French to mangle a dinner order. How much of an obstacle is that likely to be both for flight instruction and getting around the area?
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, my non-pilot wife is going to accompany me, and I want to find some really nice accommodations for her to enjoy while I'm flying. Any suggestions? We'll probably have a rental car, so it won't be a problem for me to drive to the airport from someplace reasonably close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, we'll plan to do some sightseeing and other activities together while we're in the area, so any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Don Davidson
>>>>
>>>> Not answering your question, but make yourself a translation table from knots to kmph and from feet to meters. I found flying with unfamiliar units on the instruments took up unnecessary attention.
>>>
>>> It's not much of a table! And you don't want to be looking at a bit of paper.
>>>
>>> Thermal at 80 - 100
>>> Cruise at 130 - 150+
>>> Safe speed near the ground in the gap between those ranges, depending on wind
>>>
>>> Quick and dirty 1000 m is 3000 ft. Add 10% if you have time.
>>
>> Don't bother about hight at StAuban, it will be close to the ground in 90% of the flyging time.
>>
>> Speed is important, you will learn quite fast the correct speed depending on situation. You will also learn to not spend time at the instrument. Look out is a survival instinct that you need to adopt fast when flyging in the French Alps.

I would not worry too much about this.

In spring time it can get a bit congested at the Parcours Royale, a
stretch of about 50km where you can do do quite nice ridge soaring.
There are a few sharp corners to turn, where you don't really see who
might be coming towards you around the corner. So you slow down a bit at
those places.

In late summer (last August Weekend IIRC) there is a ASK 13 competition
at St. Crepin. It *is* fun to see about 60 or more of those beautiful
machines creep along the hills from above, it can be at bit challenging
to fly with them at the same height, the speed difference is noticable.
But they are all *very* experienced pilots, they know what hey are doing.

Re. outlanding: You have to get yourself the outlanding catalogue, all
fields are described with map, photo and special things to watch. Some
fields are really easy to use, smoe require a visit by car before you
should attempt to use them. With some fields you will notice on such a
visit that the field might save you, but not your glider. In the lower
parts with broader valleys there are many additional fields available
that are very well landable, and not documented in the catalogue (I used
two of them myself). Also there are good documentations about what
altitude you need at which summit to continue across the next valley.
These should be strictly obeyed.

My personal tip: If you want to treat youself to some very special
experience: Go to Serres, and fly together with Klaus Ohlmann. He
usually flies with a group of 2-4 gliders, and he will show you the most
beautiful spots of the French alps, which you would never reach on your
own. Briefing in Serres is in English, and the best I have experienced
in the French Alps region. Check out http://www.quovadis-aero.com/?_Lang=_en

--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE