iPhone 6 Plus and iGlide [Archive]

jfitch

March 29th 15, 09:23 PM

Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.

I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.

It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.

The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.

I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.

I'm looking forward to flying with it.

[email protected]

March 29th 15, 11:17 PM

Thank you for a very thoughtful review. I've been waiting for such a review as I have the butterfly vario and the Bluetooth arraignment. I also would like to update my apple iPhone. With your review that now makes sence to do so. I fly the French alps and map display is more needed. Thanks again!

Richard[_9_]

March 29th 15, 11:47 PM

[email protected]

March 30th 15, 12:13 AM

Despite being years old and no longer developed, pocketStrePla is still my go to for in fly moving map software

GR8

March 30th 15, 05:59 AM

They use 3D Printing to make super light and easy to install sunshades for iPhone 6+. I bought one and iLove it.

http://www.shapeways.com/product/BL6X3QV7F/iphone-6-plus-topload-sunshade?li=shortUrl&optionId=43875203

jfitch

March 30th 15, 07:09 AM

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 9:59:49 PM UTC-7, GR8 wrote:
> They use 3D Printing to make super light and easy to install sunshades for iPhone 6+. I bought one and iLove it.
>
> http://www.shapeways.com/product/BL6X3QV7F/iphone-6-plus-topload-sunshade?li=shortUrl&optionId=43875203

Wrong orientation for glider software though.

I don't think it is needed, if so I will print my own (costs about $2 in plastic). Printing my own mount now, all the ones I have seen are lacking.

Sean Fidler

March 30th 15, 04:52 PM

Good review. I have been flying with iGlide for 2 years and look forward to flying with it this week in TN for the FAI PanAm event with a new iPhone 6+. The UI is intuitive and simple just as you would expect from apple. iGlide is an exceptional soaring app when compared to the rather dated Oudie or others. The screens are so outdated compared to the latest generation smart phones. XC Soar on a modern Android device is also excellent of course for the same reason.

I still use my oudie - SN10 - PowerFlarm as my primary but always have the iPhone on my knee as a backup or to cross reference certain navigational scenarios. To be perfectly honest find myself using the iGlide far more than the Oudie. iGlide is far, far better than the Oudie other than the simple integration the Oudie has with the SN10.

Here is a screenshot of iGlide on the iphone 6 plus: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A253qWtHBcPl9

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:23:59 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
>
> I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
>
> It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
>
> The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
>
> I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
>
> I'm looking forward to flying with it.

jfitch

March 30th 15, 08:07 PM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:52:32 AM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Good review. I have been flying with iGlide for 2 years and look forward to flying with it this week in TN for the FAI PanAm event with a new iPhone 6+. The UI is intuitive and simple just as you would expect from apple. iGlide is an exceptional soaring app when compared to the rather dated Oudie or others. The screens are so outdated compared to the latest generation smart phones. XC Soar on a modern Android device is also excellent of course for the same reason.
>
> I still use my oudie - SN10 - PowerFlarm as my primary but always have the iPhone on my knee as a backup or to cross reference certain navigational scenarios. To be perfectly honest find myself using the iGlide far more than the Oudie. iGlide is far, far better than the Oudie other than the simple integration the Oudie has with the SN10.
>
> Here is a screenshot of iGlide on the iphone 6 plus: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A253qWtHBcPl9
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:23:59 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> >
> > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> >
> > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> >
> > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> >
> > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to flying with it.

I'll agree with that. Now you just need the Air vario to go with it. The instantaneous wind driven thermal assistant is very interesting.

+1 on the outdated look and UI of SYM (and XCSoar too).

But, still no US contest rules on iGlide - can't do MAT tasks. I know how you love them.

Andrzej Kobus

March 30th 15, 09:23 PM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 3:07:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:52:32 AM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> > Good review. I have been flying with iGlide for 2 years and look forward to flying with it this week in TN for the FAI PanAm event with a new iPhone 6+. The UI is intuitive and simple just as you would expect from apple.. iGlide is an exceptional soaring app when compared to the rather dated Oudie or others. The screens are so outdated compared to the latest generation smart phones. XC Soar on a modern Android device is also excellent of course for the same reason.
> >
> > I still use my oudie - SN10 - PowerFlarm as my primary but always have the iPhone on my knee as a backup or to cross reference certain navigational scenarios. To be perfectly honest find myself using the iGlide far more than the Oudie. iGlide is far, far better than the Oudie other than the simple integration the Oudie has with the SN10.
> >
> > Here is a screenshot of iGlide on the iphone 6 plus: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A253qWtHBcPl9
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:23:59 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> > >
> > > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> > >
> > > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> > >
> > > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> > >
> > > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
>
> I'll agree with that. Now you just need the Air vario to go with it. The instantaneous wind driven thermal assistant is very interesting.
>
> +1 on the outdated look and UI of SYM (and XCSoar too).
>
> But, still no US contest rules on iGlide - can't do MAT tasks. I know how you love them.

If more of us send emails to Marc maybe something happens. I did.

AK

jfitch

March 31st 15, 12:32 AM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-7, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 3:07:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:52:32 AM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
> > > Good review. I have been flying with iGlide for 2 years and look forward to flying with it this week in TN for the FAI PanAm event with a new iPhone 6+. The UI is intuitive and simple just as you would expect from apple. iGlide is an exceptional soaring app when compared to the rather dated Oudie or others. The screens are so outdated compared to the latest generation smart phones. XC Soar on a modern Android device is also excellent of course for the same reason.
> > >
> > > I still use my oudie - SN10 - PowerFlarm as my primary but always have the iPhone on my knee as a backup or to cross reference certain navigational scenarios. To be perfectly honest find myself using the iGlide far more than the Oudie. iGlide is far, far better than the Oudie other than the simple integration the Oudie has with the SN10.
> > >
> > > Here is a screenshot of iGlide on the iphone 6 plus: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A253qWtHBcPl9
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:23:59 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > > > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> > > >
> > > > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> > > >
> > > > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> > > >
> > > > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> > > >
> > > > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
> >
> > I'll agree with that. Now you just need the Air vario to go with it. The instantaneous wind driven thermal assistant is very interesting.
> >
> > +1 on the outdated look and UI of SYM (and XCSoar too).
> >
> > But, still no US contest rules on iGlide - can't do MAT tasks. I know how you love them.
>
> If more of us send emails to Marc maybe something happens. I did.
>
> AK

Another thing to email Marc about: they really need a "free" demo version on the iTunes store. It should have the Advanced or Pro features, but only work with the simulator. Nearly every other package is available this way, try before you buy. The cost of the Lite version is too much for people to experiment, and you really want the Adv feature set anyway. I think if people could try it, they would have many more sales. I want it to be successful so they continue to put effort in, so more people buying is better.

[email protected]

March 31st 15, 12:32 AM

You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

jfitch

March 31st 15, 12:47 AM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

6PK

March 31st 15, 02:05 AM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>
> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>
> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>
> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>
> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

Can one configure a desired safety altitude added to arrival or required altitude with iglide?
I recently downloaded the simulator version of WinPilot ios (I agree, it would be nice to have a trial, simulator version for iglide as well,)and indeed it was confirmed that it only configures glide "net" to a waypoint. One needs to mentally add whatever margin one desires.
To me; that adds to the workload and only somewhat better than the handheld GPS devices.
6PK

Sean Fidler

March 31st 15, 06:31 AM

I'll be honest I just do MATs with an AT task programmed into the Oudie and use a stopwatch countdown of the min time. As I get to the end of the assigned TPs I program potential routes into IGlide and get a feel for ETA vs time remaining...of course this all happens while I am murmuring to myself how silly it is to call MATs in what is essentially a one design class (15/18 meter). ;-). Oh well.

jfitch

March 31st 15, 03:50 PM

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:05:31 PM UTC-7, 6PK wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> >
> > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> >
> > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> >
> > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> >
> > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>
> Can one configure a desired safety altitude added to arrival or required altitude with iglide?
> I recently downloaded the simulator version of WinPilot ios (I agree, it would be nice to have a trial, simulator version for iglide as well,)and indeed it was confirmed that it only configures glide "net" to a waypoint. One needs to mentally add whatever margin one desires.
> To me; that adds to the workload and only somewhat better than the handheld GPS devices.
> 6PK

Yes you can add a safety altitude. It will optionally calculate this over intervening high terrain as well. I have requested two numbers, one for terrain and one for waypoint/airport arrival (like XCSoar) but it doesn't have that yet. It continuously displays the point of terrain impact based on current course and conditions. In addition there is a flight profile nav box which shows a profile of terrain and airspace restrictions on course. Numerous nav boxes sets top and bottom can be accessed by swiping them with your finger, this works as smoothly as you would expect on an iPhone. Pinch to zoom, pan with a finger and these are non-modal. An iPhone 6 has way more processing and graphics engine horsepower than a PDA so display updates are effectively instantaneous, even though the terrain maps are detailed. The choice of terrain depiction is better than Oudie as well.

One thing not well explained in the manual is the config.xml file and style..xml files. In these files a bunch of display and operational behavior can be changed to your liking. Font sizes, what shows up at what zoom, how things are labeled, etc.

Dan Marotta

March 31st 15, 05:05 PM

I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe the
process.

With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest, which
pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then press "Insert
into task". That's 3 clicks.

I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via the
cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the USB stick,
remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the computer to upload the
flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close enough to the hangar to
pickup the wifi signal and upload from there. These tasks are easily
done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D

On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>
> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>
> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>
> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

--
Dan Marotta

jfitch

March 31st 15, 10:39 PM

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> the process.
>
>
>
> With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
>
>
>
> I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
>
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>
> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>
>
> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>
> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>
> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>
> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta

On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.

Dan Marotta

April 1st 15, 03:43 PM

You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...

Dan

I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think that
doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...

On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
>> existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe
>> the process.
>>
>>
>>
>> With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
>> which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
>> press "Insert into task". That's 3 clicks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
>> the cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
>> USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
>> computer to upload the flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close
>> enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
>> there. These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>>
>>
>> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>>
>>
>> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>>
>> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>>
>> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>>
>> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dan Marotta
> On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
>
> I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.

--
Dan Marotta

Tango Eight

April 1st 15, 07:14 PM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
>
>
>
>
> On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
>
> I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> the process.
>
>
>
> With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
>
>
>
> I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
>
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>
> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>
>
> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>
> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>
> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>
> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta
>
>
> On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
>
> I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta

Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

jfitch

April 1st 15, 08:30 PM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> > that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> > existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> > the process.
> >
> >
> >
> > With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> > which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> > press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> > the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> > USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> > computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> > enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> > there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> >
> >
> > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> >
> >
> > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> >
> > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> >
> > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> >
> > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dan Marotta
> >
> >
> > On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
> >
> > I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dan Marotta
>
>
>
> Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight.... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
>
> -Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

Richard[_9_]

April 1st 15, 08:53 PM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 12:30:46 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> > > that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> > > existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> > > the process.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> > > which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> > > press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> > > the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> > > USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> > > computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> > > enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> > > there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> > >
> > > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> > >
> > > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> > >
> > > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dan Marotta
> > >
> > >
> > > On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dan Marotta
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
> >
> > -Evan (rough air aficionado)
>
> You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
>
> If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
>
> 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
>
> The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

I am waiting for the apple watch,review with Iglide PRO. The Gold vs Platinum model.

Dan Marotta

April 1st 15, 09:24 PM

Why not voice commands? I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
i-devices do, too. Too much background noise while flying so fast? I
know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious results.

On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>> You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
>>> that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
>>> existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe
>>> the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
>>> which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
>>> press "Insert into task". That's 3 clicks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
>>> the cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
>>> USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
>>> computer to upload the flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close
>>> enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
>>> there. These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>>>
>>> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>>>
>>> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>>>
>>> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Dan Marotta
>>>
>>>
>>> On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Dan Marotta
>>
>>
>> Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
>>
>> -Evan (rough air aficionado)
> You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
>
> If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
>
> 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
>
> The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

--
Dan Marotta

jfitch

April 2nd 15, 12:08 AM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Why not voice commands?* I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
> i-devices do, too.* Too much background noise while flying so fast?*
> I know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious
> results.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
>
> You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
>
>
>
>
> On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
>
> I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> the process.
>
>
>
> With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
>
>
>
> I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
>
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>
> You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
>
>
> Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
>
> The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
>
> A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
>
> The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta
>
>
> On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
>
> I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta
>
>
>
> Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight.... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
>
> -Evan (rough air aficionado)
>
>
> You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
>
> If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
>
> 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
>
> The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Marotta

"Siri, how much climb to I need to clear that ridge?"

"There are three places to dine near that bridge"

"Siri, what is the headwind?"

"There are no Beduins. Would you like me to Google that for you?"

"Siri, can you call for a tow plane?"

"There is a tarpaulin store near you. Do you want me to call?"

Etc.

Craig Funston

April 2nd 15, 12:13 AM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > Why not voice commands?* I know Android has it and I've no doubt the
> > i-devices do, too.* Too much background noise while flying so fast?*
> > I know that speech to text messages can sometimes have hilarious
> > results.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/1/2015 1:30 PM, jfitch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >
> >
> > You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> > that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> > existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> > the process.
> >
> >
> >
> > With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> > which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> > press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> > the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> > USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> > computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> > enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> > there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> >
> >
> > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> >
> >
> > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> >
> > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> >
> > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> >
> > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dan Marotta
> >
> >
> > On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
> >
> > I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dan Marotta
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
> >
> > -Evan (rough air aficionado)
> >
> >
> > You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
> >
> > If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
> >
> > 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
> >
> > The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dan Marotta
>
> "Siri, how much climb to I need to clear that ridge?"
>
> "There are three places to dine near that bridge"
>
> "Siri, what is the headwind?"
>
> "There are no Beduins. Would you like me to Google that for you?"
>
> "Siri, can you call for a tow plane?"
>
> "There is a tarpaulin store near you. Do you want me to call?"
>
> Etc.

well played sir

Tango Eight

April 2nd 15, 01:42 AM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> > > that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> > > existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> > > the process.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> > > which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> > > press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> > > the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> > > USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> > > computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> > > enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> > > there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> > >
> > > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> > >
> > > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> > >
> > > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dan Marotta
> > >
> > >
> > > On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dan Marotta
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
> >
> > -Evan (rough air aficionado)
>
> You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
>
> If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
>
> 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
>
> The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.

I don't sell 'em, but I do support 'em.

I had a Streak 5 before, and it remains a thoroughly beautiful device with several significant problems, one of which is the hair trigger touch screen.. But even with some theoretical ideal touch screen, you still need to look very closely to place your finger just so. Precision hand/eye coordination in the cockpit is an enormous distraction and *anyone* flies better without having to do that. The XCS interface (circa 2012 for me, but I don't think it's changed a great deal since) contributed a bit to my frustration here -- it was stupidly easy to mishandle the touchscreen thus creating the need to back and do over (often making yet another error...). iGlide does sound intriguing... but without a really good-for-the-cockpit device to run it on, it's hard to get interested.

best,

Evan (affiliated with CNi but above are my opinions)

jfitch

April 2nd 15, 07:16 AM

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:43:02 PM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
> > > > that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
> > > > existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
> > > > the process.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
> > > > which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
> > > > press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
> > > > the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
> > > > USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
> > > > computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
> > > > enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
> > > > there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain.. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.
> > > >
> > > > The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.
> > > >
> > > > A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.
> > > >
> > > > The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dan Marotta
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dan Marotta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.
> > >
> > > -Evan (rough air aficionado)
> >
> > You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen :).
> >
> > If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.
> >
> > 99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.
> >
> > The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.
>
> I don't sell 'em, but I do support 'em.
>
> I had a Streak 5 before, and it remains a thoroughly beautiful device with several significant problems, one of which is the hair trigger touch screen. But even with some theoretical ideal touch screen, you still need to look very closely to place your finger just so. Precision hand/eye coordination in the cockpit is an enormous distraction and *anyone* flies better without having to do that. The XCS interface (circa 2012 for me, but I don't think it's changed a great deal since) contributed a bit to my frustration here -- it was stupidly easy to mishandle the touchscreen thus creating the need to back and do over (often making yet another error...). iGlide does sound intriguing... but without a really good-for-the-cockpit device to run it on, it's hard to get interested.
>
> best,
>
> Evan (affiliated with CNi but above are my opinions)

The design of the XCSoar touch interface is not very good in my opinion either. It is verbose and very modal. But better than SYM, which in addition has tiny little buttons for some things that nearly require the use of a stylus in a quiet room.

No single system will please everyone. It's good to have a choice. My original post was mainly meant for those who were interested in iGlide, but wondering if the larger iPhone would make a substantial difference in usability.. I will say the an iPhone 6 Plus is a much-better-for-the-cockpit device than was the 5s. For normal flight iGlide requires no more hand eye coordination than any of the other cockpit instruments.

son_of_flubber

May 1st 15, 03:53 PM

Has anyone integrated IGlide on Iphone 6+ with PowerFlarm core and V7 vario? Possible? Limitations?

jfitch

May 1st 15, 05:16 PM

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:53:06 AM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> Has anyone integrated IGlide on Iphone 6+ with PowerFlarm core and V7 vario? Possible? Limitations?

I have it integrated with the Air vario and PowerFlarm core. Since the iPhone has no exposed serial port, to do that with the V7 you would need the Air Connect which creates a WiFi network for the iPhone and accepts the LX serial data stream on a DB9. I assume then it would work the same as the Air vario, since the data stream it produces is the LX spec'd serial stream. If PowerFlarm data comes out that stream (and it must, if it works with an Oudie etc.) then the only thing you would lack is the instantaneous wind that the Air vario provides. That is no small loss, but a vario has to live with its limitations...

I have had the Air vario interfaced to an Avier/Oudie/V2 running Winpilot, XCSoar, and SYM so the contrapositive situation works.

http://www.air-avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/apps-and-interface-systems

son_of_flubber

May 1st 15, 06:55 PM

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:53:06 AM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > Has anyone integrated IGlide on Iphone 6+ with PowerFlarm core and V7 vario? Possible? Limitations?
>
> I have it integrated with the Air vario and PowerFlarm core. Since the iPhone has no exposed serial port, to do that with the V7 you would need the Air Connect which creates a WiFi network for the iPhone and accepts the LX serial data stream on a DB9. I assume then it would work the same as the Air vario, since the data stream it produces is the LX spec'd serial stream. If PowerFlarm data comes out that stream (and it must, if it works with an Oudie etc.) then the only thing you would lack is the instantaneous wind that the Air vario provides. That is no small loss, but a vario has to live with its limitations...
>
> I have had the Air vario interfaced to an Avier/Oudie/V2 running Winpilot, XCSoar, and SYM so the contrapositive situation works.
>
> http://www.air-avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/apps-and-interface-systems

This makes sense. If I got it right, the Powerflarm sends GPS and Flarm warnings to the V7 and the V7 interleaves additional data to the stream and sends it to a PDA via serial connector.

An Air Connect stands in for the PDA and sends the data stream to the IGlide app via wifi. So you only need one Air Connect to get the data from PowerFlarm and V7 to Iglide.

The V7 does actually send 'wind' data to the PDA and I'd guess that would be in a format that IGlide could use. Perhaps the sampling rate/resolution for the wind data by the V7 is not as 'instantaneous' as the Butterfly vario.

Thanks! Maybe it is finally time to trash my flip phone and get a Smart Phone...

Is it arguable that the IGlide graphics design and the Retina resolution combine to make IGlide on IPhone6 >= Oudie2? The Nits number for the display is just one parameter of the story.

jfitch

May 1st 15, 08:12 PM

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:55:05 AM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
> > On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:53:06 AM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > > Has anyone integrated IGlide on Iphone 6+ with PowerFlarm core and V7 vario? Possible? Limitations?
> >
> > I have it integrated with the Air vario and PowerFlarm core. Since the iPhone has no exposed serial port, to do that with the V7 you would need the Air Connect which creates a WiFi network for the iPhone and accepts the LX serial data stream on a DB9. I assume then it would work the same as the Air vario, since the data stream it produces is the LX spec'd serial stream.. If PowerFlarm data comes out that stream (and it must, if it works with an Oudie etc.) then the only thing you would lack is the instantaneous wind that the Air vario provides. That is no small loss, but a vario has to live with its limitations...
> >
> > I have had the Air vario interfaced to an Avier/Oudie/V2 running Winpilot, XCSoar, and SYM so the contrapositive situation works.
> >
> > http://www.air-avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/apps-and-interface-systems
>
> This makes sense. If I got it right, the Powerflarm sends GPS and Flarm warnings to the V7 and the V7 interleaves additional data to the stream and sends it to a PDA via serial connector.
>
> An Air Connect stands in for the PDA and sends the data stream to the IGlide app via wifi. So you only need one Air Connect to get the data from PowerFlarm and V7 to Iglide.
>
> The V7 does actually send 'wind' data to the PDA and I'd guess that would be in a format that IGlide could use. Perhaps the sampling rate/resolution for the wind data by the V7 is not as 'instantaneous' as the Butterfly vario.
>
> Thanks! Maybe it is finally time to trash my flip phone and get a Smart Phone...
>
> Is it arguable that the IGlide graphics design and the Retina resolution combine to make IGlide on IPhone6 >= Oudie2? The Nits number for the display is just one parameter of the story.

The Air vario derives wind speed from inertial sensors, it is updated 20 times/sec internally and sent once/sec over the serial link. The V7 would send the wind data it has which would be used by iGlide. The main thing you miss is the iGlide thermal assistant, which is instantaneous wind driven. It has 1 second lift dots like SYM or XCSoar, but in each dot is an instantaneous wind vector which is quite interesting.

I have yet to fly with the iPhone 6+, gliderport is not open yet. Last season I used a combination of an iPhone 5s and Avier/Oudie/V2 using mostly Winpilot or XCSoar. I found the iPhone 5s to be difficult to read in some circumstances, even though the screen resolution is way better than the Avier, it is smaller. It needs to be held close, and you need young eyes to focus on it as close as it needs to be. The iPhone 6+ display has greater resolution yet, and is physically larger than the Avier as well. Held side by side with no sunglasses, the iPhone is apparently as bright and considerably more readable at all angles to the sun. With sunglasses, the iPhone seems slightly dimmer but is still more readable. The two screens are polarized differently which may have an effect. With terrain turned off the Avier seems a little brighter. The terrain is considerably more detailed on iGlide, and the color choices perhaps better for readability.

You will need to add a charging cord for the iPhone, at least the 5s would only last about 3 hours on its own, the 6+ maybe longer but not enough for me.

glidergeek

May 4th 15, 08:02 PM

I've only seen about 4 hours without charging only leaving 10-20% charge left, not quite enough if you land out and need to make a call(s).

jfitch

May 4th 15, 09:41 PM

I wired in a usb charing port, so it stays charged. Best to start the day with the phone charged though, otherwise it will drain the instrument battery to charge the phone battery.

Mike Rinaldi

May 4th 15, 10:11 PM

I have a portable charger I fly with. Very small and light. Will keep my iPhone charged all day. Bought it on Amazon.

Sean Fidler

May 5th 15, 03:26 AM

Buy a Mophie perhaps? This is what I use for my iPhone when flying with iGlide. The Mophie is a $100 "battery case" that provides roughly 3500 mAh of additional battery capacity (120% additional). With a Mophie, there is no need for wires or a separate portable battery in the cockpit. The mophie case is only slightly larger than a normal case. The Mophie case setup will run an iPhone running iGlide all day (8 hours plus). Far longer if one does not leave the screen on constantly. Also, the Mophie charges from the same single USB wire at night. No need to charge two batteries separately (two wires and charging adapters). No more forgetting to charge the spare battery. Just a thought. www.mophie.com

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May 17th 15, 07:02 PM

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:26:38 PM UTC-6, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Buy a Mophie perhaps? This is what I use for my iPhone when flying with iGlide.

I picked up an 8600mah PowerBurst from Costco for $30. It will fully charge my iPhone5 3 times and after flying for 5 hours the phone is still at 100%. It has to be connected by cord to the phone but that has been workable so far.

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May 19th 15, 12:27 PM

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
>
> I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
>
> It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
>
> The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
>
> I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
>
> I'm looking forward to flying with it.

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
>
> I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
>
> It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
>
> The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
>
> I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
>
> I'm looking forward to flying with it.

Hello,
I would like to try iGlide Lite on an iPad Mini. Does this entry version of iGlide provide final glide information to a destination and provide U.S. terrain, airport and airspace data? Will iGlide work on an older iPhone 4?
Thanks. Peter Breen

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May 19th 15, 12:29 PM

Hello,
I would like to try iGlide Lite on an iPad Mini. Does this entry version of iGlide provide final glide information to a destination and provide U.S. terrain, airport and airspace data? Will iGlide work on an older iPhone 4?
Thanks.
Peter Breen

jfitch

May 19th 15, 05:11 PM

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:27:14 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> >
> > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> >
> > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> >
> > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> >
> > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> >
> > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> >
> > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> >
> > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> >
> > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
>
> Hello,
> I would like to try iGlide Lite on an iPad Mini. Does this entry version of iGlide provide final glide information to a destination and provide U.S. terrain, airport and airspace data? Will iGlide work on an older iPhone 4?
> Thanks. Peter Breen

I believe the answer to all those questions is yes. The lite version will not do a multi turn point route, but will do a "Go To" and the other functions. I ran it on an iPhone 4s initially. You will find the iPhone 4 a pretty small display for practical use, also somewhat dim in the sunlight. You will find the iPad mini very large, but also very dim in direct sunlight. I think you need iOS 8 to run the current version.

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May 19th 15, 07:36 PM

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 9:11:44 AM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:27:14 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> > >
> > > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> > >
> > > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> > >
> > > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> > >
> > > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > > Since the board seems kind of dead today (everyone getting their gliders ready for the season?) I will weigh in with a brief review of this combo. I like iGlide, which seems quite modern compared to the other commercial offerings and it pairs well with the Butterfly/Air variometer. Last year I was running it on an iPhone 5s alongside an Avier(Oudie/V2) running SYM, XCSoar, and Winpilot on various days. The problem with the 5s is the screen is considerably smaller and not apparently as bright as the Avier. Though the display is much higher resolution, you have to hold it closer to you (not ideal for mature eyes) and sometimes hope you are under a cloud.
> > >
> > > I bought an iPhone 6 Plus just to run iGlide. It's pretty big to carry around as a phone, however you can swap the SIM card back and forth if you have a 5/ 5s and want to use it that way. In any case, I did so with some trepidation that though the display is bigger and reputedly a bit more sunlight readable, it is an expensive experiment to perform. I now have it running, though I have not flown with it yet.
> > >
> > > It is a great deal better than the iPhone 5s, it seems a little brighter held side by side in the sunlight but the shear size means a lot more light is falling on your eyeballs. It is quite readable even in direct sun behind while the 5s was not. Only when you get a direct refection of the sun orb on the screen is it illegible. iGlide just scales up everything to fit the display, so the text, icons, everything is bigger and easier for someone over 50 to read. The touchscreen is also better than the 5s, which seemed to take just a bit more firm touch than the previous iPhones. The 6+ is very sensitive and nice.
> > >
> > > The surprise was holding it next to the Avier. There is a mismatch of specs, the Avier/Oudie/V2 claims are in the 800 - 1000 nit brightness and the iPhone 6+ has been independently tested at around 560. However they seem about the same apparent brightness held side by side with both at highest brightness. And the iPhone 6+ is more readable at any angle, in any light. The worst for both is the sun orb directly reflected from the glass, neither is readable there although you can see the edges of the iPhone. At slightly off that angle you can read the iPhone first, and it is simply better in all conditions. Of course the resolutions and touchscreens are not even in the same century. The iPhone display is both physically larger and higher resolution (1920 x 1080 vs. 480 x 272). The less said about the Avier touch screen the better.
> > >
> > > I also have Winpilot iOS installed on it, this is also pretty modern and has some nice ideas incorporated, however for me it has been too buggy to use, yet.
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to flying with it.
> >
> > Hello,
> > I would like to try iGlide Lite on an iPad Mini. Does this entry version of iGlide provide final glide information to a destination and provide U.S. terrain, airport and airspace data? Will iGlide work on an older iPhone 4?
> > Thanks. Peter Breen
>
> I believe the answer to all those questions is yes. The lite version will not do a multi turn point route, but will do a "Go To" and the other functions. I ran it on an iPhone 4s initially. You will find the iPhone 4 a pretty small display for practical use, also somewhat dim in the sunlight. You will find the iPad mini very large, but also very dim in direct sunlight. I think you need iOS 8 to run the current version.

Thanks for your quick response. I forget to ask: Does the lite version have a "nearest airports" function? What do you recommend as the best device for iGlide lite? The iPhone 6?