V3 details

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If anyone is at Aero 2015 please confirm whether the V3 is 15-18M or 18-21M? And please include the wing area for each span configuration. The Facebook picture may be misleading but it sure looks like the V3 wing cord is narrow when compared to others. Thanks.

[Dave Springford]

Now I see the wisdom from LX Nav renaming the V3 vario to the S3 vario.

Couldn't figure out how a V3 vario would have a wing span as questioned above.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Also, I wonder if it has blow holes or dimple tape, is there planned a new fuselage, when will it fly...etc?

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Time will reveal all.

[Kevin Neave[_2_]]

18m

If your decision whether to buy depends on whether the wing is blown rather
than having zig_zag tape then you need to "get a life".
The difference in performance between the V3, JS1, ASG29, V2 will be
meaningful to maybe half a dozen pilots in the world. The rest of us mere
mortals would do better to buy an "obsolete" V2cx an spend the extra dosh
on aerotows & practice.

KN

At 02:34 16 April 2015, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>Also, I wonder if it has blow holes or dimple tape, is there planned a
new
>fuselage, when will it fly...etc?
>

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Golly Kevin, not really the response I was looking for. I was hoping someone who had been to the AERO booth and talked to S-H representatives could inform the newsgroup about the technology used in this beautiful new glider. Maybe the boundary layer control method, if there is a new fuselage on the way, any new technologies. My questions are written for brevity and to solicit a probative discussion. Your post not only supposes much which was not written nor inferred, but also stifles discussion, shows your poor reading comprehension and your insecurities. Would it not be best to keep this newsgroup civil, and informative? You do not know anything about me, nor my motivations, why do you feel you can judge me? I do recommend you read "The Four Agreements" it will help open your mind and might even improve you disposition. I hope you take my comments in the positive light they were meant, and I hope your life gets better and the mean spirit within is tamed..
Namaste,
Jonathan

[krasw]

It's not Ventus 3, it's "Ventus Competition" btw.

[J. Nieuwenhuize]

There was a "Infoblatt" up on Facebook for a short while. Anybody who has saved/captured it?

[Paul T[_4_]]

At 11:58 18 April 2015, krasw wrote:
>It's not Ventus 3, it's "Ventus Competition" btw.
>
Funny how the UK dealer has been advertising it has the Ventus 3 in
the last two S&G's. Maybe there are different models? Is there a Ventus
'non competition'?
Anyway from OLC:-

Schempp-Hirth has a “flying” Ventus on display. The brand-new glider
had been secretly refined and developed in Kirchheim and is now
“flying over” the AERO-booth. “You might call it the ‘Ventus 3’,
but
officially this new glider will simply be named ‘Ventus’.” Bernd
Weber
further explains how the new racer’s airfoil has been worked over in
the wind tunnel taking weather models into account to improve the
average speeds while flying cross country. “It will also have a
redesigned cockpit to fit larger pilots as well as the smaller guys. Our
new Ventus is the ideal glider for pilots who want to have more
opportunities or fly competitively.

18M 10.8M2 A/R 30

Nothing about other wingspans yet?

[krasw]

On Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:45:04 UTC+3, Paul T wrote:
> At 11:58 18 April 2015, krasw wrote:
> >It's not Ventus 3, it's "Ventus Competition" btw.
> >
> Funny how the UK dealer has been advertising it has the Ventus 3 in
> the last two S&G's. Maybe there are different models? Is there a Ventus
> 'non competition'?

From same source: "Ventus Comfort"

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:45:04 UTC+3, Paul T wrote:
> > At 11:58 18 April 2015, krasw wrote:
> > >It's not Ventus 3, it's "Ventus Competition" btw.
> > >
> > Funny how the UK dealer has been advertising it has the Ventus 3 in
> > the last two S&G's. Maybe there are different models? Is there a Ventus
> > 'non competition'?
>
> From same source: "Ventus Comfort"

Ah, so the competition model has spurs and the comfort model a nice, comfy saddle.

[Tim Taylor]

Ah, so the competition model has spurs and the comfort model a nice, comfy saddle."

Thought that was already the difference between an A and B.

I see those pilots in the B models taking a nap during flights. They have the heated leather interior, cup holders, fancy air conditioning vents, and I'm sure there is a vanity mirror in there someplace.

OK, putting my spurs back on to climb in my V2a.

[James Metcalfe]

At 15:39 18 April 2015, Steve Leonard wrote:
>...
>Ah, so the competition model has spurs and the comfort model a
nice, comfy
>saddle.

Surely that would be a Pegasus ;D)

[Kevin Neave[_2_]]

Gosh Jonathan, I really shouldn't post while sitting in an uncomforatble
airport lounge while waiting to fly home from Friedrichshafen.

I did speak to SH about the "New Ventus" but since I can't afford it & I
don't fly flapped gliders then I wasn't that interested. It did look very
nice. It has a new wing (didn't check whether it has zig-ziag or blown)
with a number of new aerofoils (Hurrah for CNC), with a refined fuselage
wing junction. It will be nicer handling, will climb a little better, and
be more bug resistant. The difference in glide will be quote "Not a lot",
about the same gain as you'd lose by fitting FES. There are two new
fuselages on the way, one of the options will have side hinged canopy, one
forward hinged (Can't remember which way round). The fuselage on display
was just a "mock up". The whole thing on display could probably have been a
V2cxa.
A bit like the iPad / iPad 2 / iPad they're calling it the "New Ventus".

Of more interest to me was the D2C-FES. Just a few questions to ask (Can
ballast be fitted for a 50kg pilot? Will it have an Aerotow hook?) before I
get my name in the queue. I'm being reluctantly pushed into an 18m glider
to get FES, if it could be retrofitted to Discus B or a new CS that would
be my preferred option.

Also of interest (to me) was the Peszke (?) GP series. Discus performance
in a 13.5m glider. If FES was an option I'd have been seriously tempted
(I'd like them to be flying a couple of years first, but someone has to be
an early adopter!)

Generally at Aero Electric was everywhere.

So, still thinking of buying a NV ("New Ventus") rather than a "discarded"
V2cax?
It climbs better - Spend the money saved on aerotows & practice on the iffy
days
Better handling - Not aware of the V2 being deficient, don't know if the NV
mixes ailerons & flaps the way that Schleicher do which would improve
handling.
More bug resistant - Buy bug-wipers (Probably already fitted to a comp
prepared V2).

You're right I don't know you, but a do know a number of truly world class
pilots who run possibly the best coaching system in the world (Plug for the
UK), and their advice is invariably "If you want to fly better prepare
whatever glider you already have properly - clean, chip free leading edges
- than spend the extra cash on launches & practice. Especially on the bad
days when you might not be tempted to take a launch. Admittedly here in the
UK we have more than our share of iffy days on which to do so.

The really good thing about the NV is that those at the top of our sport,
who really do want to compete at world level, will sell their V2cxas
(That's a plural, not yet another letter in the string)

I'll stop now as this post is already over long

Regards

KN

At 22:17 17 April 2015, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>Golly Kevin, not really the response I was looking for. I was hoping
>someo=
>ne who had been to the AERO booth and talked to S-H representatives could
>i=
>nform the newsgroup about the technology used in this beautiful new
>glider.=

[Kemp[_2_]]

And a pic from Aerokurier:

http://www.aerokurier.de/luftsport/segelflug/hoch-aufgehaengt-schempp-hirth-ventus-3/622066

Kemp

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Via google translate:

Schempp -Hirth did not disappoint his fans. At AERO interested can take a first look at the new 18 - m- class aircraft manufacturer based in Kirchheim / Teck. But the details remain invisible. The new Ventus floats suspended high above the booth in Friedrichshafen.
Until the new Ventus flies , probably still take some time. In the trunk of the exhibit is still a mock up . Also, the wing is not finished yet .
The multi-part wing was completely redeveloped. The design was made with the advice of Dr. Wurz , who had participated in the success model Arcus . From the new Ventus one now expects a clear improvement in performance over the Ventus 2cx .

[Nick[_5_]]

The secret has been revealed: On our AERO 2015 booth we proudly presented the new Ventus, a complete redesign, to the anxiously waiting fairgoers.

The 18m racer that was floating elegantly above our booth, showing its striking wing geometry, was probably the most-photographed gilder. The comment "What looks good also flies well" could be heard again and again.

Until then, however, we still have a long way to go. While the presented glider already showed the final, yet unfinished wing, the fuselage on display was still a mock-up. We aim for a maiden flight this year and want to begin serial production in time for the next competition season.

The Ventus' aerodynamic design has been created using a new design methodology based on real-flight experience and promises a noticeable increase of cross-country cruise speeds. We also aimed to ensure excellent handling both in the air and on the ground.

The airplane currently optimized for 18m wing span will be available as a glider, with Turbo and FES sustainer engines and as a self-launching version..

Besides the new Ventus, we exhibited our successful Arcus M and demonstrated the Discus 2c with the new FES system. This well-proven electric engine with its carefully fitted foldable front propeller has been another major attraction on our booth and we noticed tremendous interest in this remarkably simple to use, reliable and powerful sustainer system.

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On Schempp's website.