Other US crashes this season

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

In addition to the 1-26 crash, its big brother went in near Cleveland in
June, with no serious injuries:

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-on-
middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries

Seems like more than usual crashes this season? Ventus 2 C went in
during the big contest at Hobbs, there were fatals out of Moriarty and
off a winch launch in Arizona. Doesn't seem to be any common theme to
these, at least the the information that's available currently.

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:26:23 +0000, David Kinsell wrote:

> In addition to the 1-26 crash, its big brother went in near Cleveland in
> June, with no serious injuries:
>
> http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-
on-
> middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
>
> Seems like more than usual crashes this season? Ventus 2 C went in
> during the big contest at Hobbs, there were fatals out of Moriarty and
> off a winch launch in Arizona. Doesn't seem to be any common theme to
> these, at least the the information that's available currently.

Easier URL to deal with: http://tinyurl.com/obs7feu

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 9:36:50 PM UTC-4, David Kinsell wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:26:23 +0000, David Kinsell wrote:
>
> > In addition to the 1-26 crash, its big brother went in near Cleveland in
> > June, with no serious injuries:
> >
> > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-
> on-
> > middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
> >
> > Seems like more than usual crashes this season? Ventus 2 C went in
> > during the big contest at Hobbs, there were fatals out of Moriarty and
> > off a winch launch in Arizona. Doesn't seem to be any common theme to
> > these, at least the the information that's available currently.
>
> Easier URL to deal with: http://tinyurl.com/obs7feu

"Glider pilot & passenger"...... 2-32 I guess.

[Bob Kuykendall]

From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the statistics for the last five full years are:

2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)

Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands at:

2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)

Of course, no crashes are good, but overall it doesn't look like 2015 is on track to be particularly out of the ordinary.

One thing I'll add is that I am not particularly distressed by non-injury accidents. It's all just machinery, and there's not much to it that a couple of people can't make or remake in a two-car garage. What really tears me up are the accidents where someone gets injured or killed because they were trying to save the aircraft and ended up maneuvering outside their margins.

Thanks, Bob K.

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

> From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
> statistics for the last five full years are:
>
> 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
> 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
> 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
> 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>
> Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands at:
>
> 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)

Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the 1-26
in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we could do
better.

Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number of
underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.

-Dave

[[email protected]]

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[Frank Whiteley]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>
> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
> > statistics for the last five full years are:
> >
> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> >
> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands at:
> >
> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>
> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the 1-26
> in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we could do
> better.
>
> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number of
> underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
>
> -Dave

Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as part of the claims process.

SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database. http://soaringsafety.org

Frank Whiteley

[M North]

What a shame. I wonder how many 2-32s are left. I hope someone fixes that one.

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 6:27:51 PM UTC-7, David Kinsell wrote:
> In addition to the 1-26 crash, its big brother went in near Cleveland in
> June, with no serious injuries:
>
> http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-on-
> middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
>
> Seems like more than usual crashes this season? Ventus 2 C went in
> during the big contest at Hobbs, there were fatals out of Moriarty and
> off a winch launch in Arizona. Doesn't seem to be any common theme to
> these, at least the the information that's available currently.

Sorry to say there's not much of a pattern - or one that's out of the ordinary. Stall/spin on approach or near terrain tend to be the big ones. We've made some progress dealing with midairs and with auto-connecting controls assembly/configuration errors should go down over time as the fleet turns over. I'm optimistic that improving technology might provide some hope in warning pilots about low-level slow and (perhaps) uncoordinated, but it will take some time.

9B

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:

> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>>
>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
>> >
>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >
>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands at:
>> >
>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>>
>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we could
>> do better.
>>
>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number of
>> underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
>> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
>>
>> -Dave
>
> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as
> part of the claims process.
>
> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
> http://soaringsafety.org
>
> Frank Whiteley

SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break practice,
so that makes 9.

http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc

Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.

Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with, no
headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within range
of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to clear
last fence and didn't try.


-Dave

[Frank Whiteley]

"David Kinsell" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:

> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>>
>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
>> >
>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >
>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands at:
>> >
>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>>
>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we could
>> do better.
>>
>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number of
>> underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
>> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
>>
>> -Dave
>
> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as
> part of the claims process.
>
> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
> http://soaringsafety.org
>
> Frank Whiteley

SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break practice,
so that makes 9.

http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc

Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.

Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with, no
headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within range
of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to clear
last fence and didn't try.


-Dave

SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the process.
There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success of such
a project requires community participation.

The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope break
practice.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries

Frank Whiteley

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:02:56 -0600, Frank Whiteley wrote:

> "David Kinsell" wrote in message ...
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>>>
>>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
>>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
>>> >
>>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
>>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
>>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
>>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>>> >
>>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands
>>> > at:
>>> >
>>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>>>
>>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
>>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
>>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we
>>> could do better.
>>>
>>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number
>>> of underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
>>> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>
>> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
>> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as
>> part of the claims process.
>>
>> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
>> http://soaringsafety.org
>>
>> Frank Whiteley
>
> SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break practice,
> so that makes 9.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc
>
> Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.
>
> Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
> training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with, no
> headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within range
> of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to clear
> last fence and didn't try.
>
>
> -Dave
>
> SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the
> process.
> There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success of
> such a project requires community participation.
>
> The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
> stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope
> break practice.
> http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-
on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
>
> Frank Whiteley

There were two separate Cleveland area crashes recently, June 25 a 2-32
hit wires (which was in the news article you showed), then later some
other craft was destroyed during rope break practice. Cleveland Soaring
Society described it as a stall spin that the instructor was able to
recover from, but then hit trees on the landing roll.

So if we just stop flying gliders in Cleveland, we could cut the accident
rate by a quarter.

-Dave

(that was a joke)

[Frank Whiteley]

On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:52:03 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:02:56 -0600, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>
> > "David Kinsell" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
> >>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
> >>> >
> >>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
> >>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
> >>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> >>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
> >>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> >>> >
> >>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands
> >>> > at:
> >>> >
> >>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
> >>>
> >>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
> >>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
> >>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we
> >>> could do better.
> >>>
> >>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number
> >>> of underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
> >>> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
> >>>
> >>> -Dave
> >>
> >> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
> >> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as
> >> part of the claims process.
> >>
> >> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
> >> http://soaringsafety.org
> >>
> >> Frank Whiteley
> >
> > SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break practice,
> > so that makes 9.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc
> >
> > Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.
> >
> > Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
> > training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with, no
> > headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within range
> > of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to clear
> > last fence and didn't try.
> >
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the
> > process.
> > There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success of
> > such a project requires community participation.
> >
> > The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
> > stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope
> > break practice.
> > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-
> on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
> >
> > Frank Whiteley
>
> There were two separate Cleveland area crashes recently, June 25 a 2-32
> hit wires (which was in the news article you showed), then later some
> other craft was destroyed during rope break practice. Cleveland Soaring
> Society described it as a stall spin that the instructor was able to
> recover from, but then hit trees on the landing roll.
>
> So if we just stop flying gliders in Cleveland, we could cut the accident
> rate by a quarter.
>
> -Dave
>
> (that was a joke)



On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:52:03 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:02:56 -0600, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>
> > "David Kinsell" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
> >>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
> >>> >
> >>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
> >>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
> >>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> >>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
> >>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
> >>> >
> >>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands
> >>> > at:
> >>> >
> >>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
> >>>
> >>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
> >>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
> >>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we
> >>> could do better.
> >>>
> >>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the number
> >>> of underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and could easily
> >>> shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for everyone.
> >>>
> >>> -Dave
> >>
> >> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
> >> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this as
> >> part of the claims process.
> >>
> >> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
> >> http://soaringsafety.org
> >>
> >> Frank Whiteley
> >
> > SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break practice,
> > so that makes 9.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc
> >
> > Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.
> >
> > Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
> > training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with, no
> > headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within range
> > of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to clear
> > last fence and didn't try.
> >
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the
> > process.
> > There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success of
> > such a project requires community participation.
> >
> > The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
> > stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope
> > break practice.
> > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-crashes-
> on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
> >
> > Frank Whiteley
>
> There were two separate Cleveland area crashes recently, June 25 a 2-32
> hit wires (which was in the news article you showed), then later some
> other craft was destroyed during rope break practice. Cleveland Soaring
> Society described it as a stall spin that the instructor was able to
> recover from, but then hit trees on the landing roll.
>
> So if we just stop flying gliders in Cleveland, we could cut the accident
> rate by a quarter.
>
> -Dave
>
> (that was a joke)

Can't find the second one. A glider accident in the media appears to have been a hang glider or some other kind of ultralight.

Frank W

[David Kinsell[_2_]]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:47:02 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:

> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:52:03 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:02:56 -0600, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>>
>> > "David Kinsell" wrote in message ...
>> >
>> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
>> >>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands
>> >>> > at:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>> >>>
>> >>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
>> >>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
>> >>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we
>> >>> could do better.
>> >>>
>> >>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the
>> >>> number of underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and
>> >>> could easily shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for
>> >>> everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dave
>> >>
>> >> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
>> >> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this
>> >> as part of the claims process.
>> >>
>> >> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
>> >> http://soaringsafety.org
>> >>
>> >> Frank Whiteley
>> >
>> > SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break
>> > practice, so that makes 9.
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc
>> >
>> > Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.
>> >
>> > Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
>> > training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with,
>> > no headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within
>> > range of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to
>> > clear last fence and didn't try.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Dave
>> >
>> > SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the
>> > process.
>> > There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success
>> > of such a project requires community participation.
>> >
>> > The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
>> > stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope
>> > break practice.
>> > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-
crashes-
>> on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
>> >
>> > Frank Whiteley
>>
>> There were two separate Cleveland area crashes recently, June 25 a 2-32
>> hit wires (which was in the news article you showed), then later some
>> other craft was destroyed during rope break practice. Cleveland
>> Soaring Society described it as a stall spin that the instructor was
>> able to recover from, but then hit trees on the landing roll.
>>
>> So if we just stop flying gliders in Cleveland, we could cut the
>> accident rate by a quarter.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> (that was a joke)
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:52:03 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:02:56 -0600, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>>
>> > "David Kinsell" wrote in message ...
>> >
>> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:00:07 -0700, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:28:41 PM UTC-6, David Kinsell wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:02:30 -0700, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > From a quick survey of available NTSB synopses, it looks like the
>> >>> > statistics for the last five full years are:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2014 total 26 fatal 3 (3 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2013 total 23 fatal 3 (5 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2012 total 33 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2011 total 27 fatal 9 (9 fatalities)
>> >>> > 2010 total 34 fatal 6 (8 fatalities)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Right now we're about half way through 2015, and the count stands
>> >>> > at:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2014 total 5 fatal 2 (2 fatalities)
>> >>>
>> >>> Just running a search for glider accidents does indeed show 5, but
>> >>> doesn't include the Ventus on June 23, the 2-32 on June 25, and the
>> >>> 1-26 in the last couple days. So not terrible, but seems like we
>> >>> could do better.
>> >>>
>> >>> Non-injury accidents of course are less of a concern, but the
>> >>> number of underwriters willing to insure gliders is small, and
>> >>> could easily shrink. Or they can continue to jack up the rates for
>> >>> everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dave
>> >>
>> >> Many insurance claims don't involve FAA/NTSB reporting, though most
>> >> in-motion accidents/incidents do and there is some pressure for this
>> >> as part of the claims process.
>> >>
>> >> SSF would like inputs into their accident/incident database.
>> >> http://soaringsafety.org
>> >>
>> >> Frank Whiteley
>> >
>> > SSA is showing a recent stall/spin accident during rope break
>> > practice, so that makes 9.
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/oh466sc
>> >
>> > Looking at the SSF database, not much is getting entered there.
>> >
>> > Our club nearly added to the statistics recently, 200 ft ropebreak
>> > training with low performance glider, multiple fences to deal with,
>> > no headwind, towplane went straight out and didn't keep glider within
>> > range of airport. Fortunately both pilots knew they weren't going to
>> > clear last fence and didn't try.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Dave
>> >
>> > SSF database is quite new, so getting the word out is part of the
>> > process.
>> > There's an opportunity to add some data, even anonymously. Success
>> > of such a project requires community participation.
>> >
>> > The original media post was much more 'interesting', but it wasn't a
>> > stall/spin, rather it hit some trees reporting during low-level rope
>> > break practice.
>> > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-geauga/glider-plane-
crashes-
>> on-middlefield-township-highway-no-injuries
>> >
>> > Frank Whiteley
>>
>> There were two separate Cleveland area crashes recently, June 25 a 2-32
>> hit wires (which was in the news article you showed), then later some
>> other craft was destroyed during rope break practice. Cleveland
>> Soaring Society described it as a stall spin that the instructor was
>> able to recover from, but then hit trees on the landing roll.
>>
>> So if we just stop flying gliders in Cleveland, we could cut the
>> accident rate by a quarter.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> (that was a joke)
>
> Can't find the second one. A glider accident in the media appears to
> have been a hang glider or some other kind of ultralight.
>
> Frank W

The second one was SSA FB page sharing the Cleveland Soaring Society FB
page (link above). Haven't seen it in the news media, or NTSB.

The Hobbs accident at the contest didn't seem to make the general media
either. And hardly mentioned here.

Now there's a 1-26 at Minden, July 8, showing up in the prelims.

Dave

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

FAA Preliminaries, July 3, Pegasus, "...tow line snapped and glider crashed in field."

http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:96:::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FA TAL_FLG:06-JUL-15,CENTRAIR