WTB E-Vario

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E-Vario required/wanted.

What you got?

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Le mardi 28 juillet 2015 22:04:38 UTC-4, a écrit*:
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
> What you got?

Hi

I have a LX 7000

Asking the price of a vario for a full IGC system.

$900.00 or best offer plus shipping.

gaseguin at cgocable.ca

gilles

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:04:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
> What you got?

Cambridge 302 with enl $350

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Hey Giles. I'm just looking for the vario 57mm or 80mm

Thank you for,your reply.

Steve

[Craig Funston]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> Hey Giles. I'm just looking for the vario 57mm or 80mm
>
> Thank you for,your reply.
>
> Steve

I have an old 80mm Cambridge electric vario. No audio. Is that the end of the spectrum you're looking for? $30 and it's yours.

Craig
7Q

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Thanks Craig.

I need to work on my description. Looking for Audio various.

Steve

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Thanks Craig.
>
> I need to work on my description. Looking for Audio various.
>
> Steve

Steve,
My backup vario in my current and my last glider has been a Westerboer with pressure sensors like these:
http://www.westerboer.de/Seiten/vw1000.html
The one I have has a lovely tone - much nicer than Cambridge - and it indicates in absolute synchronicity with my Cambridge302. They both are on the same total energy probe. I prefer it when working really weak lift.
They sold for about $500.
Herb

[MNLou]

I have a 2006 Tasman V1000 vario for sale.

E-mail me at Lou dot Chouinard if you are interested. It is a gmail account.

Lou

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Thanks guys. I will research these units.

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:04:38 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> E-Vario required/wanted with audio

Preference is a Borgelt B400/500 or B600
>
>

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

How about an ILEC SB -9, 57mm audio variometer with backup battery?
johnsinclair210(at)yahoo.com
JJ

[kirk.stant]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-5, wrote:

> My backup vario in my current and my last glider has been a Westerboer with pressure sensors like these:
> http://www.westerboer.de/Seiten/vw1000.html
> The one I have has a lovely tone - much nicer than Cambridge - and it indicates in absolute synchronicity with my Cambridge302. They both are on the same total energy probe. I prefer it when working really weak lift.
> They sold for about $500.
> Herb

My old backup was a Westerboer 910 which I got after using a 921 for a few years - awesome varios!

I now use a 1020 setup for electronic TE compensation - and prefer it to my SN10 (TE probe).

I really think that until you get into the top end (?) Butterfly or S80 varios, the Westerboers are the best.

Or maybe they just work better in LS's... ;^)

Kirk
LS6-b 66

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:18:23 -0700, lemonsorbie wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:04:38 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> E-Vario required/wanted with audio
>
> Preference is a Borgelt B400/500 or B600
>
Its also worth looking at a Borgelt B.40 it you're offered one. Its the
predecessor to the B.400.

I've been using one as a backup to the SDI C4 in my Libelle for the last
10 years. It makes nice noises, is one of the fastest responding varios
I've flown with (much faster than the C4), and since it will easily run
for over a day on the 9v PP3 battery it has for an emergency power, its
excellent insurance against main power failure

I got it second hand with a dodgy power switch, sent it back to Mike
Borgelt who gave it a full overhaul for a very reasonable price and
considerably faster than I expected.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

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Thanks Martin. Still on the hunt for a B400.

Steve

[Tango Eight]

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Thanks Martin. Still on the hunt for a B400.
>
> Steve

I've got an 80mm B400. It's my backup, it works great. No real motivation to part with it other than at some point I am going to want to redo my panel with small gauges. I would probably replace with a 57mm B400... wait.... what the heck is the story with Borgelt? MIA at a couple of US distributors, now rather expensive at another one.

- Evan Ludeman / T8

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:04:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
> What you got?

Borgelt B400 80mm, A little over a year old, functioned flawlessly the two times I flew with it.
$400

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Hi Evan, as I dig into Borgelt more and more......agreed! Bloody annoying.

Hmmmm may need to consider options.

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Doh! As Homer would exclaim. Measure twice cut once........sorry I need a 57mm. The 80mm is just too big for my limited panel.

Many thanks for the post

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:31:06 -0700, lemonsorbie wrote:

> Hi Evan, as I dig into Borgelt more and more......agreed! Bloody
> annoying.
>
> Hmmmm may need to consider options.
>
I think the Tasmin V1000 is also worth a look. Our club Puchacz has one
installed. As I've been known to go soaring solo in the Puch, I've paid
the Tasmin a fair amount of attention. Its noises are nice and its
response rate is good. It uses a circular LCD display with series of
blocks round the edge that show in sequence so you read it like an
analogue dial. There is a digital averager readout in the screen centre.
Nothing to fiddling with either: the only controls are on/off and a pair
of buttons for volume control.

I've also helped a clubmate install a V3 in his glider. It seems quite a
nice instrument and easy to read, but for two points:
(1) its set-up menu is a bit of a fiddle
(2) its noises are irritating, the more so because there's no option
to have silent deadband around zero (or wasn't with that
firmware version). The only choices were silence or a continuous
drone from zero sink on down and it used a tone that would get on
my nerves.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

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Thanks Martain. Will check it out

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302 price please

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Jul 29


On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:04:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
>

Cambridge 302 with enl $350

Please email me Lemonsorbie(at)gmail DOT com

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Thanks for all the reply.

Decided to stick with my original choice; Borgelt B400.......

Still looking

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Tango eight.

What do you want for the 80mm B400?

Thanks

[Skypilot]

Why not just buy a brand new Borgelt.the current exchange rate should get you one for $650.00

I can sell you my 57mm B700, one season old $600 USD plus what ever registered post from Brisbane is.





Tango eight.

What do you want for the 80mm B400?

Thanks

[Tango Eight]

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Tango eight.
>
> What do you want for the 80mm B400?
>
> Thanks

If the price you got from a previous respondent ($400) is good, buy it. I'm not motivated enough to sell mine at that price.

best,
Evan Ludeman / T8

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Thanks for the advice. Current $CAN to $US sucks hence trying to save a few pennies on used.

$600 U.S. = $790 candian

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Hey Evan. Thanks for the reply.

Not sure what to do here. I was hoping to pay around $400 Canadian. With the FX being so bad for Canadians.........

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Jul 30



Opus. I missed your post. You have a B400?

Email me Lemonsorbie(at)gmail DOT com

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Still looking for a Borgelt B400 in 80mm

[JS]

People are upgrading all the time.
Contact Mike Borgelt:
mborgeltATborgeltinstrumentsDOTcom
Jim

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Still looking for a Borgelt B400 in 80mm

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I'm still looking.......

[Avron[_2_]]

I have B500 57mm.
Will ship from Israel (my exoence).
Give me an offer to my mail:
AvronTal at gmail.

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Hi. Thanks for the offer. I need 80mm

[MNLou]

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 8:43:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Hi. Thanks for the offer. I need 80mm

Or an 80 mm to 57 mm reducer face plate.

Lou

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Anyone with a B700?

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Refresh the ad.......still looking for a B400/700

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I don't have the vario you're interested in, but thought I'd add this here as it's drawn lookers for e-varios..
Our glider came with a Westerboer 910 and 921 vario and flight computer (vario is in M/S). I wouldn't mind selling these and picking up a decent but not overly expensive E vario. (currently also have an Oudie as well as XC soar on smartphone as backup and for quick/easy unofficial logger).
If anyone has interest in these let me know. If you've got a decent e vario laying around to part with, possibly a 302 in working/good condition, let me know and we'll see if anything works out.
Thanks

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Refresh.

Still looking.

[JS]

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 5:14:53 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Refresh.
>
> Still looking.

What information did you get from Mike Borgelt?
I'd be surprised if he has no leads on one or the other.
Jim

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Hey Jim.

Mike eluded to a zero result less purchasing new.

The B700 looks super nice but I can't afford $800.00 even the B400 is suffice buy not much less.

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Would you take $300

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[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

Have you considered an L-nav? It has a good climb-cruise audio and a single function distance computer. I'll sell you one for $175 and I pay the shipping!
JJ

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Greetings JJ.

I am really after a Borgelt B400. I used an Lnav many moons ago (1990) and although a good unit at the time a little antiquated.

Thanks for the offer. That's a great price but the snow will be here soon!

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< I used an Lnav many moons ago (1990) and although a good unit at the time a little antiquated. >

I'll echo JJ's comments about the LNAV. I bought mine in 1992 and it's worked great ever since, for most of that time coupled with an "antique" Compaq 1550 running Glide Navigator II. I'm currently exploring a flight computer upgrade using open source software (e.g, TopHat) and a cheap tablet. But based on input from several pilots whose opinions I trust, including several national champions, I've been reassured that any improvement in the new varios vis-a-vis the LNAV is modest, at best, and doesn't justify my investing the required price. I'll revisit if it looks like I need more of a data stream than can be provided by my current hardware (or if my fellow pilots are lying to me in order to hobble my performance!) but in the meantime, I'll continue to rely on the LNAV.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[Tango Eight]

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 12:15:04 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> < I used an Lnav many moons ago (1990) and although a good unit at the time a little antiquated. >
>
> I'll echo JJ's comments about the LNAV. I bought mine in 1992 and it's worked great ever since, for most of that time coupled with an "antique" Compaq 1550 running Glide Navigator II. I'm currently exploring a flight computer upgrade using open source software (e.g, TopHat) and a cheap tablet. But based on input from several pilots whose opinions I trust, including several national champions, I've been reassured that any improvement in the new varios vis-a-vis the LNAV is modest, at best, and doesn't justify my investing the required price. I'll revisit if it looks like I need more of a data stream than can be provided by my current hardware (or if my fellow pilots are lying to me in order to hobble my performance!) but in the meantime, I'll continue to rely on the LNAV.
>
> Chip Bearden
> ASW 24 "JB"
> U.S.A.

It's very easy to install a top quality vario and drag it down to below LNav performance. Sharing a TE source with a mechanical vario (think of it as a big leak) is the most common problem I see. How much havoc this causes depends upon things we don't have good ways to measure (e.g. the impedance of the TE system).

Evan Ludeman (ClearNav guy)

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

If you split the total energy line, as far aft as possible, the cross-talk between varios is all but eliminated. I am running an SN-10 and B300 that share the TE signal that is split under the seat with 2 lines going forward.my varios are side by side and I see no cross-talking going on.
JJ

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I suspect you're right, T8. Would that also apply to the LNAV itself? That might make me finally address the issue of sharing a triple probe TE with my Winter backup vario, which has been the case since the glider was new in 1992. The biggest sin, I imagine, is using a "T" connection immediately behind the instrument panel rather than a "Y" farther back in the fuselage. Question: would you expect both varios to benefit from this, or just my LNAV?

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[Tango Eight]

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 9:26:58 AM UTC-4, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> If you split the total energy line, as far aft as possible, the cross-talk between varios is all but eliminated. I am running an SN-10 and B300 that share the TE signal that is split under the seat with 2 lines going forward.my varios are side by side and I see no cross-talking going on.
> JJ

That system ought to be fine. The SN-10 is a flow type vario (iirc), but probably small flask volume and flow compared to a Winter, etc. The B300 is a pressure transducer vario... but if it's anything like my B400, it's a pretty slow e-vario, so no real issue expected.

best,
Evan

[Tango Eight]

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 9:30:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> I suspect you're right, T8. Would that also apply to the LNAV itself? That might make me finally address the issue of sharing a triple probe TE with my Winter backup vario, which has been the case since the glider was new in 1992. The biggest sin, I imagine, is using a "T" connection immediately behind the instrument panel rather than a "Y" farther back in the fuselage. Question: would you expect both varios to benefit from this, or just my LNAV?
>
> Chip Bearden
> ASW 24 "JB"
> U.S.A.

I haven't played with an LNav in a long time. I think that's a flask/flow type instrument and those always seemed more tolerant of sharing TE with a mechanical.

We really started seeing problems when guys tee'd their new 302s in line with Winter & Sage varios. Didn't affect the mechanical, but the 302 acted lobotomized.

Whether splitting the TE line helps probably depends on the impedance of your probe. I've got one of those oldie but goodie venturi type triple probes and the venturi is mounted at the end of a rather small capillary. The impedance is high and I gave up trying to get a mechanical to play nice with a 302... solution was replace Winter with B400 for backup (pressure transducer instruments can share pneumatic sources, no issues here).

The other thing that can work is running your fancy primary vario off pitot + static with "electronic" compensation and leave the probe for your mechanical. In this case, the pitot and static need to be *really* good (fin mount triple probe) and not shared with mechanical instruments.

best,

Evan Ludeman

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> The other thing that can work is running your fancy primary vario off pitot + static with "electronic" compensation and leave the probe for your mechanical. In this case, the pitot and static need to be *really* good (fin mount triple probe) and not shared with mechanical instruments.

Yes, the LNAV is a flask/flow vario. I do notice what could be some minor transient cross talk between it and the Winter but I'm used to it. :)

In my previous glider, I had two identical older Cambridge varios (IIRC, something called a Mark II, but pre MNAV) on completely separate pneumatic (and battery) systems: one on a Schuemann TE compensator connected to pitot and fuselage statics and the other on a venturi with a homemade netto capillary connected to forward fuselage statics. After flying around with loops of instrument tubing in my lap one day changing the length of tubing on the Schuemann and the number of hypodermic needle restrictors on the homemade netto, they both read nearly identically during pull ups and pushovers. I had a Cambridge audio for which Raouf Ismail graciously made up a special switch that I could toggle from one vario to the other if I needed. I loved that system!

I confess that I did look at other varios in the past with the objective of getting electronic TE that would provide that 100% independence I had in my previous panel. I have lost primary varios several times over the years and it's an unsettling feeling.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[JS]

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 7:04:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
> What you got?

Really thought you'd accept JJs offer, or pick up Tom's 302.

Perhaps it's possible to take the pro out of procrastination...
A Borgelt B40 was just listed on Wings And Wheels.

Yes it's expensive, but comes with a free ASW27. Talk to Fidel.
Jim

[Dan Marotta]

I was told yesterday that the '27 in Fidel's care has been sold.

On 9/29/2015 8:09 PM, JS wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 7:04:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>> E-Vario required/wanted.
>>
>> What you got?
> Really thought you'd accept JJs offer, or pick up Tom's 302.
>
> Perhaps it's possible to take the pro out of procrastination...
> A Borgelt B40 was just listed on Wings And Wheels.
>
> Yes it's expensive, but comes with a free ASW27. Talk to Fidel.
> Jim

--
Dan, 5J

[kirk.stant]

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 9:30:16 AM UTC-5, Tango Eight wrote:

> The other thing that can work is running your fancy primary vario off pitot + static with "electronic" compensation and leave the probe for your mechanical. In this case, the pitot and static need to be *really* good (fin mount triple probe) and not shared with mechanical instruments.

That is my approach - my SN10 gets fed by a nice Ilec TE probe, and my other vario is the really nice electronic TE Westerboer 1020, which works just fine using the aircraft pitot and vario statics.

No concerns with TE probe leaks, cross talk, etc...

Mechanical varios are so last century....

Kirk
66

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It's been a while since I did the research. What are the logical choices for a reliable vario (to use as a backup) with electronic TE? Include used.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[Renny[_2_]]

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 9:29:01 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I was told yesterday that the '27 in Fidel's care has been sold.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/29/2015 8:09 PM, JS wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 7:04:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
>
>
> E-Vario required/wanted.
>
> What you got?
>
>
> Really thought you'd accept JJs offer, or pick up Tom's 302.
>
> Perhaps it's possible to take the pro out of procrastination...
> A Borgelt B40 was just listed on Wings And Wheels.
>
> Yes it's expensive, but comes with a free ASW27. Talk to Fidel.
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan, 5J

Just one correction...The 27 discussed, in Fidel's care at Moriarty, has NOT been sold. I just confirmed this with him 2 minutes ago. It is still available!
Thanks - Renny

[Tango Eight]

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 3:42:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> It's been a while since I did the research. What are the logical choices for a reliable vario (to use as a backup) with electronic TE? Include used.
>
> Chip Bearden
> ASW 24 "JB"
> U.S.A.

Used Cambridge 302 with GPS date bug. Good, electronic TE capable, cheap.

best,
Evan

[kirk.stant]

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 2:42:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> It's been a while since I did the research. What are the logical choices for a reliable vario (to use as a backup) with electronic TE? Include used.

Chip, the Westerboer VW1020 can be setup to use either a TE probe or electronic compensation, via Pitot and Static. I've used several Westerboers and really like them.

http://wingsandwheels.com/westerboer-vw1020.html

Kirk
66

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On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-8, Craig Funston wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > Hey Giles. I'm just looking for the vario 57mm or 80mm
> >
> > Thank you for,your reply.
> >
> > Steve
>
> I have an old 80mm Cambridge electric vario. No audio. Is that the end of the spectrum you're looking for? $30 and it's yours.
>
> Craig
> 7Q

Hi Craig 7Q, Please let me know if you still have an "old 80mm Cambridge electric vario" for sale? Andre

[Craig Funston]

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 2:04:48 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-8, Craig Funston wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > Hey Giles. I'm just looking for the vario 57mm or 80mm
> > >
> > > Thank you for,your reply.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > I have an old 80mm Cambridge electric vario. No audio. Is that the end of the spectrum you're looking for? $30 and it's yours.
> >
> > Craig
> > 7Q
>
> Hi Craig 7Q, Please let me know if you still have an "old 80mm Cambridge electric vario" for sale? Andre

Hi Andre,

The 80mm Cambridge is still around & I willing to part with it. PM me at first initial, last name at redpointstructures dot com.

Thanks,
Craig