Aveo Gliderburst - Maximini

[son_of_flubber]

http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/

http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/

[Craig Funston]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:25:51 PM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
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> http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/

Will they double as wingtip skids ;-)

Craig

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:45:44 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:

> Will they double as wingtip skids ;-)

Once.

[Dan Marotta]

Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights duct
taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)

On 8/13/2015 12:17 AM, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:45:44 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:
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>> Will they double as wingtip skids ;-)
> Once.

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Dan Marotta

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On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:01:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights
> duct taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)
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> On 8/13/2015 12:17 AM, Bob Kuykendall
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> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:45:44 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:
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> Will they double as wingtip skids ;-)
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> Dan Marotta

That's what they make hand-guided routers for, Dan! Run a groove under the wing and fill and sand with gel-coat after you're done. Nobody will ever know!

[Dan Marotta]

Something about power tools and my wings gives me the shudders... =-O

On 8/16/2015 10:41 AM, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:01:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights
>> duct taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)
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>> On 8/13/2015 12:17 AM, Bob Kuykendall
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>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:45:44 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:
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>> Will they double as wingtip skids ;-)
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>> Once.
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>> Dan Marotta
> That's what they make hand-guided routers for, Dan! Run a groove under the wing and fill and sand with gel-coat after you're done. Nobody will ever know!

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Dan Marotta

[[email protected]]

You need to use a hand saw as was demonstrated in The Sunship Game.

On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 9:43:20 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Something about power tools and my wings gives me the shudders... =-O
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[son_of_flubber]

Maybe two of these http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/ One on the turtle deck and one on the belly.

One of the wingtip lights installed on the nose or turtle deck and pointed forward towards head on traffic would be valuable. But would that be legal?

The Lxnav black box that turns on the strobe when it gets a Flarm alert is pretty sweet.

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:01:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights
> duct taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)
>
You are taking the wrong approach, Dan. Since power tools and your wings give you the shudders, let's take an approach that you are more comfortable with.

Using your .45, line the barrel up perpendicular to the root rib, parallel to the spar centerline. Fire. You now have a clear path root to tip inside the wing to route the wires. Stand wing on end, use fishing line and sinkers to place your "wire pull through cord" through the holes. This is the fun part where you get to be nearly 30 feet in the air to be able to lower the line and sinkers through the wing. Set wing back down on saw horses, and pull wires through wing. Note: Once the wires are in place, you will need to seal the ends of the ballast tanks in the LAK. If you had bought a ship with water bags instead of tanks, you could have skipped this step.

You will probably want to buy two sets of lights and install connectors so you can have the lights on either the 15 or 18 meter tips. I don't recall if the LAK 18 meter tips have a dihedral joint in them. If they do, it will require two shots from the .45 and a little duct tape near the corner.

:-) You are welcome.

Steve

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks Steve! I just returned from the hardware store with a 40' ladder
and some studs for bracing the wings in a vertical position. I also had
to replace my hollow points with jacketed ball to keep the holes to a
reasonable size. I was able to do the 18 meter tips with the same shot
as the wings by carefully placing a steel deflector plate at the correct
angle inside the joint before connecting the tip. It took three tries
on the first wing (and a bit of epoxy and cotton flock), but the second
wing was accomplished with a single shot. The 15 meter tips were a
simple matter of using a long drill bit (of the proper diameter, of
course). :-D

On 8/19/2015 7:57 AM, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:01:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights
>> duct taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)
>>
> You are taking the wrong approach, Dan. Since power tools and your wings give you the shudders, let's take an approach that you are more comfortable with.
>
> Using your .45, line the barrel up perpendicular to the root rib, parallel to the spar centerline. Fire. You now have a clear path root to tip inside the wing to route the wires. Stand wing on end, use fishing line and sinkers to place your "wire pull through cord" through the holes. This is the fun part where you get to be nearly 30 feet in the air to be able to lower the line and sinkers through the wing. Set wing back down on saw horses, and pull wires through wing. Note: Once the wires are in place, you will need to seal the ends of the ballast tanks in the LAK. If you had bought a ship with water bags instead of tanks, you could have skipped this step.
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> You will probably want to buy two sets of lights and install connectors so you can have the lights on either the 15 or 18 meter tips. I don't recall if the LAK 18 meter tips have a dihedral joint in them. If they do, it will require two shots from the .45 and a little duct tape near the corner.
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> :-) You are welcome.
>
> Steve

--
Dan Marotta

[lynn]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:25:51 PM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
>
> http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/

You might want to try a 44 magnum as it has more hole making potential than the 45.

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 9:57:50 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:01:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > Those look pretty neat, but wouldn't the wires to power the lights
> > duct taped to the wing increase drag a bit? ;-)
> >
> You are taking the wrong approach, Dan. Since power tools and your wings give you the shudders, let's take an approach that you are more comfortable with.
>
> Using your .45, line the barrel up perpendicular to the root rib, parallel to the spar centerline. Fire. You now have a clear path root to tip inside the wing to route the wires. Stand wing on end, use fishing line and sinkers to place your "wire pull through cord" through the holes. This is the fun part where you get to be nearly 30 feet in the air to be able to lower the line and sinkers through the wing. Set wing back down on saw horses, and pull wires through wing. Note: Once the wires are in place, you will need to seal the ends of the ballast tanks in the LAK. If you had bought a ship with water bags instead of tanks, you could have skipped this step.
>
> You will probably want to buy two sets of lights and install connectors so you can have the lights on either the 15 or 18 meter tips. I don't recall if the LAK 18 meter tips have a dihedral joint in them. If they do, it will require two shots from the .45 and a little duct tape near the corner.
>
> :-) You are welcome.
>
> Steve

All of you- get back to work!
LOL
UH

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On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
> http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
>
> http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/

When at the Logan Ridge Flying Clinic, I saw a new glider with a factory-mounted strobe light in the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer. I was a distance away when an irregular flashing caught my attention. So, I went over to see what it was. It was a strobe light mounted flush and streamlined. Very cool.

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-4, lynn wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 4:25:51 PM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
> >
> > http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/
>
> You might want to try a 44 magnum as it has more hole making potential than the 45.

ROTFLMAO......... +1 for you....

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

> All of you- get back to work!
> LOL
> UH
Here I am polishing, and YOU'RE replying to RAS....... tisk tisk.....

;-)

Thought you were "working"...... LOL....

[Thanks for the work BTW....]

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Schleicher has been offering this option. Coupled with a LX device the strobe activates when a flarm target is seen.


On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:02:55 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
> >
> > http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/
>
> When at the Logan Ridge Flying Clinic, I saw a new glider with a factory-mounted strobe light in the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer. I was a distance away when an irregular flashing caught my attention. So, I went over to see what it was. It was a strobe light mounted flush and streamlined. Very cool.

[Dan Marotta]

I saw the same thing on an ASH-31 mi at Moriarty. Apparently it's a
factory option. And a good idea, to boot!

On 8/19/2015 4:02 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 5:25:51 PM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
>> http://www.aveoengineering.com/gliderburst/
>>
>> http://www.aveoengineering.com/redbaron-maximini/
> When at the Logan Ridge Flying Clinic, I saw a new glider with a factory-mounted strobe light in the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer. I was a distance away when an irregular flashing caught my attention. So, I went over to see what it was. It was a strobe light mounted flush and streamlined. Very cool.

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Dan Marotta

[Surge]

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 05:21:36 UTC+2, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Schleicher has been offering this option. Coupled with a LX device the strobe activates when a flarm target is seen.

Will it only flash when another FLARM unit is nearby or will it also work with ADS-B and Mode-C/S traffic?
I'd want those strobes to work over time if there is a military or commercial flight closing in rapidly.

[son_of_flubber]

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 12:30:07 AM UTC-4, Surge wrote:

> Will it only flash when another FLARM unit is nearby or will it also work with ADS-B and Mode-C/S traffic?

If you factor out the potential to annoy other pilots, there is little reason to not have the strobe flashing for the entire flight. By my reckoning a four hour flight would consume 2.25 AH That said, it might make sense to turn it off in a gaggle and have it turn back on with a Flarm alert, but outside of a gaggle it could run continuously (especially while flying ridge or in a cloudstreet).

RedBaron MiniMaxi Specifications

Power - strobe (Watts): 6.6 W (33 W peak)
Current - strobe (@12V): 0.56 A (2.77 A peak)
Repetition Rate of Strobe: 50 cycles per minute

The flashes project in a hemisphere of directions.

I've noticed that the strobe makes it easier to find the towplane at a distance when scanning. (I like to know where the towplane is headed when I'm doing my initial 'climb out' near the airport.)

I also seem to notice the strobe in my peripheral vision when the tow plane is quite close and before I see it with my scan. The strobe 'draws the eye'. I find it easy to completely ignore the towplane strobe while I'm on tow.

On one occasion I shared a short ridge with several other gliders. One of the gliders had wingtip strobes and it really made a difference.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

The strobe on the Schleicher glider's is a strip about 18-24 inches long with multiple LED lights, Very bright and a great safety option. It is part of the leading edge of the vertical fin, so there is no aerodynamic penalty. It is popular option but still some chose to order without the strobe.

[Craig Reinholt]

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 7:22:36 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> The strobe on the Schleicher glider's is a strip about 18-24 inches long with multiple LED lights, Very bright and a great safety option. It is part of the leading edge of the vertical fin, so there is no aerodynamic penalty. It is popular option but still some chose to order without the strobe..

1,260.00 Euro option

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

If ordering a $150,000-$300,000 glider the extra $1,400 dollars while not insignificant is money well spent for both the buyer his/her family and the others pilots and their families he/she shares airspace with. There was a thread a while ago about who is responsible. Well we are all responsible for the safety of everyone around us. This is why we do not back up on freeways (almost hit an a__hole doing this), we use blinkers while changing lanes, we install PF in gliders ...etc. I know there is a cost argument which fails miserably in the context of lives at stake. Agreed a 1-26 might not warrant a S-mode transponder, PF and strobes due to price. I usually go with the safety options weather it be sailing (have done lots of off shore racing and sailing) driving, antilock brakes, all wheel disk brakes regular service...

Fifteen years ago I reinstrumented a 4 person power aircraft I had, and while the TCAS was too expensive ($30,000) I did install a S-mode transponder and an instrument which would alert and show traffic from the S-mode. That was the best money I spent in instruments and I used it every flight and on multiple occasions it saved my bacon! Sometime glider pilots while flying $100,000 plus gliders can be cheap. I personally think my life it worth the extra several thousand.

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 7:33:48 AM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 7:22:36 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > The strobe on the Schleicher glider's is a strip about 18-24 inches long with multiple LED lights, Very bright and a great safety option. It is part of the leading edge of the vertical fin, so there is no aerodynamic penalty. It is popular option but still some chose to order without the strobe.
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> 1,260.00 Euro option

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On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> If ordering a $150,000-$300,000 glider the extra $1,400 dollars while not insignificant is money well spent for both the buyer his/her family and the others pilots and their families he/she shares airspace with. There was a thread a while ago about who is responsible. Well we are all responsible for the safety of everyone around us. This is why we do not back up on freeways (almost hit an a__hole doing this), we use blinkers while changing lanes, we install PF in gliders ...etc. I know there is a cost argument which fails miserably in the context of lives at stake. Agreed a 1-26 might not warrant a S-mode transponder, PF and strobes due to price. I usually go with the safety options weather it be sailing (have done lots of off shore racing and sailing) driving, antilock brakes, all wheel disk brakes regular service...
>
> Fifteen years ago I reinstrumented a 4 person power aircraft I had, and while the TCAS was too expensive ($30,000) I did install a S-mode transponder and an instrument which would alert and show traffic from the S-mode. That was the best money I spent in instruments and I used it every flight and on multiple occasions it saved my bacon! Sometime glider pilots while flying $100,000 plus gliders can be cheap. I personally think my life it worth the extra several thousand.
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> On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 7:33:48 AM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 7:22:36 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > The strobe on the Schleicher glider's is a strip about 18-24 inches long with multiple LED lights, Very bright and a great safety option. It is part of the leading edge of the vertical fin, so there is no aerodynamic penalty. It is popular option but still some chose to order without the strobe.
> >
> > 1,260.00 Euro option

Jonathan, go spend all the money you like but stop lecturing and second-guessing others. You subtly apply your standards to everyone else criticizing their choices and trumpeting your own. And don't call me cheap, I beg of you. Reread you post, it comes across as pretty arrogant.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-7, wrote:
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> Jonathan, go spend all the money you like but stop lecturing and second-guessing others. You subtly apply your standards to everyone else criticizing their choices and trumpeting your own. And don't call me cheap, I beg of you. Reread you post, it comes across as pretty arrogant.

I do not recall mentioning you by name. Thou dost protest too much! How do you put a price tag on safety? I certainly am not arrogant, suffered too much humility in my life for that! Again it comes back to who is responsible for our safety, we all are. I merely stated that $1400 for a strobe on a new glider seems to be money well spent for the purchaser and others that share the same airspace. If you are already spending $150,000 plus, that is less than 1 percent the total cost. As for cheap soaring pilots, this is not news, see sentence above. There is a big difference between cheap and being on a budget. I know what it is like to scrape together enough money for an activity. But I am also practical enough to know to enhance safety in an already dangerous sport.

One more thought, why would you let someone steal your peace, if you do not like the point of view I am sharing (not lecturing) then don't read it, certainly don't take the time to mis-infer and then post a comment directly lecturing me on your mis-interpretation of my post. As for second guessing it is called non-linear thought and sometimes we ALL need the thoughts of another to help us through some fixed thinking. It is called sharing ideas. I am on this site to learn from others and I contribute when I think I have something to add, I never chastise someone for their thoughts nor have I ever lectured another!

namaste

[Soartech]

Schleicher should be ashamed to charge $1400 for a 20 inch LED strobe. The cost of the electronics for this part amounts to less than $50. If I knew what was inside my vertical stabilizer and how to run wires to it I would build one myself. Of course this is much easier during manufacture.
Powerful LEDs are getting less expensive by the month!

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Soartech wrote on 8/21/2015 7:55 AM:
> Schleicher should be ashamed to charge $1400 for a 20 inch LED
> strobe. The cost of the electronics for this part amounts to less
> than $50. If I knew what was inside my vertical stabilizer and how to
> run wires to it I would build one myself. Of course this is much
> easier during manufacture. Powerful LEDs are getting less expensive
> by the month!
>

I believe it costs them far more than $50 for the strobe they use,
especially when you consider the cost of the 20" custom lens to match
the fin airfoil. It cost me more $50 just install regular LED bulbs in
my RV! The installation requires extra work to modify the fin from the
standard "no strobe" fin, run the wires, and install the power supply.

Included in the $1400 cost is some of the engineering, development, and
procurement costs just to get to the point where it's possible to offer
it as an option. Since these gliders are certified in Europe, there are
likely certification costs in addition to the others I mentioned.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"

https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf