Dream Panel

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Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?

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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?

Well remember you asked. Winter ALT and ASI, and Airpath compass (usually required by manufacture's operational manual) however I consider the ALT and compass of little worth anymore.

LX9000 with V8 vario plus AHRS, compass, flaps, and remote stick options. AirAvionics Butterfly vario with NMEA interface and Air Glide connect stick, Apple iPhone 6 plus and mount running AirAvionics iGlide pro. LXNAV Nano 3 (doesn't everyone need 4 loggers?)Trig TY-91 radio with Peiker TM168 boom mike. Trig TT22 transponder. PowerFLARM. DeLorme In-Reach Explorer. 2 @ 16amp Hobby King LiFePO4 batteries. Jensi 308 Duo battery charger. Taylor 5862 Digital 4 Event Timer. Paraphernalia mini softie 240# w/ aerobatic harness with thread-thru adapters. 1" blue and 1" pink g foam seat cushions in 2" cotton cover. Cut-to-fit sheepskin. Mountain High O2D1 pulse demand O2 system. 25K-30K ought to cover it...you'll need more for consumables, support, and miscellaneous stuff. BTW, don't forget the 150K plus for the wife's obligatory motorhome.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 2:15:00 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?

A UAT-Out box, certified GPS source and Dual-Link ADS-B receiver of course :-)

[Mark628CA]

LX9000 with V8 vario plus AHRS, compass, flaps, and remote stick options. AirAvionics Butterfly vario with NMEA interface and Air Glide connect stick, Apple iPhone 6 plus and mount running AirAvionics iGlide pro. LXNAV Nano 3 (doesn't everyone need 4 loggers?)Trig TY-91 radio with Peiker TM168 boom mike. Trig TT22 transponder. PowerFLARM. DeLorme In-Reach Explorer. 2 @ 16amp Hobby King LiFePO4 batteries. Jensi 308 Duo battery charger. Taylor 5862 Digital 4 Event Timer. Paraphernalia mini softie 240# w/ aerobatic harness with thread-thru adapters. 1" blue and 1" pink g foam seat cushions in 2" cotton cover. Cut-to-fit sheepskin. Mountain High O2D1 pulse demand O2 system. 25K-30K ought to cover it...you'll need more for consumables, support, and miscellaneous stuff. BTW, don't forget the 150K plus for the wife's obligatory motorhome.


"And a partridge in a pear tree..."

[Muttley]

I like this one
http://1drv.ms/1JtO14c
LX Nav (experimental) in a JS1

[Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas]

A "Memphis" variometer.

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On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:15:51 AM UTC-5, Muttley wrote:
> I like this one
> http://1drv.ms/1JtO14c
> LX Nav (experimental) in a JS1

Yeah, but does it get HBO?

[Dan Marotta]

Can you get soap operas on that?

On 8/30/2015 4:15 AM, Muttley wrote:
>
> I like this one
> http://1drv.ms/1JtO14c
> LX Nav (experimental) in a JS1

--
Dan Marotta

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:22:27 AM UTC-7, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
> A "Memphis" variometer.

What is a Memphis variometer?

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:15:51 AM UTC-7, Muttley wrote:
> I like this one
> http://1drv.ms/1JtO14c
> LX Nav (experimental) in a JS1

Nice, notice the Russian helicopter in the background. I would still want a mechanical ASI, and altimeter as back up and a LX V3 with UPS battery pack as a back up vario. With this panel there is no space for back up instruments in case you lose power to the main bus.

Dream panel for me would be LX9070 with V80 and AHRS, compass, flaps, and remote stick options. LX V3 vario with UPS battery so I have a backup vario if I lose the main bus power. Air-avionics radio and transponder core, so one panel hole and transponder is controlled by radio, NMEA output so the transponder will have ADS-B, Butterfly vario, power flarm core, winer 57 mm ASI and Altimeter, and while I am not sure why compasses are still required equipment I would find a bohli (might as well get the best.

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Burt,

More accurately it's a Memphis rate of climb. And I still have one! Once in a while I think about popping it into the panel but I don't have room. You're the first person to mention a Memphis in at least 20 years. :)

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas]

Chip, you are correct. Like many sons of the fifties and sixties soaring pilots, I have a couple of classic "Memphis" rate of climb indicators. One is still working fine in my late father's Open Cirrus sailplane here at Marfa. A prized instrument in its time and sought after by vintage sailplane restorers. For the "newbies", see the SSA "American Soaring Handbook", Chapter 7, page 18. Yes, it's out of print but a valuable resource and in some ways better than the current FAA Glider Flying Handbook as the ASH chapter topics were written by soaring pilots, not by non-pilot FAA "technical writers."

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 12:36:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Burt,
>
> More accurately it's a Memphis rate of climb. And I still have one! Once in a while I think about popping it into the panel but I don't have room. You're the first person to mention a Memphis in at least 20 years. :)
>
> Chip Bearden
> ASW 24 "JB"
> U.S.A.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Many years ago there was a Heads Up Display offered for sale. Have never even seen these on the secondary market. Would be nice to have a HUD with vario, farm and airspeed info. Maybe if it had compass info a mechanical compass would not be required instrumentation. Just a thought. LX Nav want to make another option to go with the LX 90XX computers?

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History lesson (Burt, correct me where appropriate; my memory is a little hazy this far back): My father also had two Memphis ROCs. The second one he found in the 60s in a V-tail Bonanza in the small town in Alabama where he had grown up. [I don't know where the Memphis instruments--referred to, I believe, because the manufacturer (Aircraft Indicators?) was located in that city--were installed but the early Bonanzas were a common location] He persuaded the owner to let him swap the Memphis for a brand new Kollsman ROC and she was happy to.

A club member in the Soaring Society of Dayton (predecessor of Caesar Creek) named Bill Coverdale (brother, IIRC, of Miles Coverdale, who was active in the SSA) quickly removed what he referred to as the "chokes" (restrictors) and, voila, a self-contained, sensitive rate of climb. The Memphis was the backup in many competition cockpits in those days.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
U.S.A.

[Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas]

Yes Chip, that sounds right. Beech installed them in many Bonanza airplanes in the fifties. Back then, Bill Coverdale would bring his bright blue Ka-6 to my Dad's gliderport south of Miami, FLA, in the winter. He wrote an article, actually a letter to the editor as I recall, in SOARING about removing the restrictor from a "Memphis." A search of the magazine archives may be worthwhile to anyone interested.

His brother Miles Coverdale (often sporting a big bow tie) wrote many articles primarily on training and safety and was the "grandfather" perhaps of our current Soaring Safety Foundation, of which I am Trustee (which in the southern states, means a trusted prisoner!)

Like you and your Dad, I was lucky to meet, through my father Fritz Compton, many of the legends of soaring from that golden age and listen to the discussions of "how to" which they shared willingly at the single national "open" contest or at one of the regional events each summer.

[ND]

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?

Firstly it would be inside of a KA-6e, and made of varnished birdseye maple, with a pellet vario, and ivory-faced, anodized aluminum instruments

like this:

http://wingsandwheels.com/old-site/images/page211.jpg

No GPS, no electronics, other than maybe an audio vario that wouldn't ruin "the feel", and of course a radio. especially one that looks vintage.

[Werner Schmidt]

ND wrote 2015/08/31 at 14:12:

> On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?
>
> Firstly it would be inside of a KA-6e, and made of varnished birdseye maple, with a pellet vario, and ivory-faced, anodized aluminum instruments
>
> like this:
>
> http://wingsandwheels.com/old-site/images/page211.jpg
>
> No GPS, no electronics, other than maybe an audio vario that wouldn't ruin "the feel", and of course a radio. especially one that looks vintage.

the Panel itself looks fine, but ...

- 2 Varios, OK
- 2 ASIs, divergingly readable - no
- and ... 4 Altimeters are a bit much of redundancy ... just my 2 ct.

regards
Werner

[ND]

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:32:19 AM UTC-4, Werner Schmidt wrote:
> ND wrote 2015/08/31 at 14:12:
>
> > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?
> >
> > Firstly it would be inside of a KA-6e, and made of varnished birdseye maple, with a pellet vario, and ivory-faced, anodized aluminum instruments
> >
> > like this:
> >
> > http://wingsandwheels.com/old-site/images/page211.jpg
> >
> > No GPS, no electronics, other than maybe an audio vario that wouldn't ruin "the feel", and of course a radio. especially one that looks vintage.
>
> the Panel itself looks fine, but ...
>
> - 2 Varios, OK
> - 2 ASIs, divergingly readable - no
> - and ... 4 Altimeters are a bit much of redundancy ... just my 2 ct.
>
> regards
> Werner

aww c'mon, you know what i mean. that panel just happens to capture "the look" i'm describing. that panel only looks that way because they want to showcase what they have available. i only would want one ASI, one ALT, one Compass, a radio, and a vario or pellet vario if one could be found that fit in with the rest.

At the end of the day though, this is all hypothetical....... ...

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 8/29/2015 3:37 PM:
> BTW, don't forget the 150K plus for the wife's obligatory motorhome.

Shame on you, burdening her with a monster like that! She needs
something short and lean, so she can easily make her way through traffic
with the trailer, and not have to worry about length so much when
switching lanes!

Worked for me!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"

https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf

[Werner Schmidt]

ND wrote 2015/09/01 at 14:35:

> aww c'mon, you know what i mean. that panel just happens to capture
> "the look" i'm describing.

huh - thought it was about the instruments :-D

regards
Werner

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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 11:15:00 PM UTC+2, wrote:
> Was wondering what would be your dream panel if cost was not a factor and why you would choose the instruments you do?

For the looks and function I like this guy's panel:
https://ls8project.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/img_5109.jpg

What I really would like is context aware Instruments. E.g. before flight it displays the checklist. The items are ticked off when you correct the state: For example lock the airbreaks.
Radios that suggest frequencies according to position (its coming i know)
It should display landing check-list when near an airport. Inform you of weather changes along the planned route.
Head mounted display, that displays basic data such as thermal assistant, traffic and navigation data.

[ND]

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 2:56:37 PM UTC-4, Werner Schmidt wrote:
> ND wrote 2015/09/01 at 14:35:
>
> > aww c'mon, you know what i mean. that panel just happens to capture
> > "the look" i'm describing.
>
> huh - thought it was about the instruments :-D
>
> regards
> Werner

that's the problem, post said dream PANEL. most people only think about packing in all the highest tech instruments and that's it.

MY dream panel is not that. :)

[Jim Pengelly]

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 4:40:45 PM UTC+1, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:15:51 AM UTC-7, Muttley wrote:
> > I like this one
> > http://1drv.ms/1JtO14c
> > LX Nav (experimental) in a JS1
>
> Nice, notice the Russian helicopter in the background. I would still want a mechanical ASI, and altimeter as back up and a LX V3 with UPS battery pack as a back up vario. With this panel there is no space for back up instruments in case you lose power to the main bus.
>
> Dream panel for me would be LX9070 with V80 and AHRS, compass, flaps, and remote stick options. LX V3 vario with UPS battery so I have a backup vario if I lose the main bus power. Air-avionics radio and transponder core, so one panel hole and transponder is controlled by radio, NMEA output so the transponder will have ADS-B, Butterfly vario, power flarm core, winer 57 mm ASI and Altimeter, and while I am not sure why compasses are still required equipment I would find a bohli (might as well get the best.

This is pretty much what I'm planning for my new ship. A few (probably stupid) questions for you: 1) What is the smallest battery that the LX V3 would have? 2) Why both the V80 and the Butterfly Vario? Can't the V80 do everything that the Butterfly can do? 3) Any idea if all that would all that fit in a JS1's panel? By my reckoning, with the jet control unit taking up one slot then there wouldn't be enough space for both the V80 and the Butterfly but that's a guess.

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>
> This is pretty much what I'm planning for my new ship. A few (probably stupid) questions for you: 1) What is the smallest battery that the LX V3 would have? 2) Why both the V80 and the Butterfly Vario? Can't the V80 do everything that the Butterfly can do? 3) Any idea if all that would all that fit in a JS1's panel? By my reckoning, with the jet control unit taking up one slot then there wouldn't be enough space for both the V80 and the Butterfly but that's a guess.

Regarding JS1 panel, in my opinion if you stick with LXNAV 9000 (V8 and not V80), all 2.25 instruments, and Trig radio and transponder tightly "stacked" or the yet to be released Air Avionics Air Com there is enough room. One 2.25 instrument will have to go under the panel in the raised floor pan instrument area. That instrument should be a "look only" instrument such as an altimeter or compass.

Redundancy is the reason for the LXNAV 9000/V8 and Air Avionics Butterfly and they should have no common plumbing including probes.

PM me your email address and I'll send you a paper "mock-up" picture.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

The LXV3 has a battery pack UPS you can buy with it that will power the instrument with full audio for 8 hours or more. That is the pack I would use.
As for why Butterfly and LX 90XX with V8, in one instrument you have a back up vario with audio, speed to fly, instatainious wind, navigation, final glide, Flarm display, Flarm radar, data logger, horizon and perhaps a few others I am missing. Not cheap but then the question was "dream panel".

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-7, Jim Pengelly wrote:

> This is pretty much what I'm planning for my new ship. A few (probably stupid) questions for you: 1) What is the smallest battery that the LX V3 would have? 2) Why both the V80 and the Butterfly Vario? Can't the V80 do everything that the Butterfly can do? 3) Any idea if all that would all that fit in a JS1's panel? By my reckoning, with the jet control unit taking up one slot then there wouldn't be enough space for both the V80 and the Butterfly but that's a guess.