The sweetest ASW-20b on the planet?

[Sean Fidler]

Took some pics today just for fun. Thought some of the 20 crowd would get a kick out of this one. I have trouble shaking this guy in my 29...often. ;-)

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B025fk75vORYUh

Sean
7T

[Bob Caldwell (BC)]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:35:51 PM UTC-6, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Took some pics today just for fun. Thought some of the 20 crowd would get a kick out of this one. I have trouble shaking this guy in my 29...often. ;-)
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B025fk75vORYUh
>
> Sean
> 7T

It's the flying frogs on the rudder that make the difference! Once those guys start kicking it makes a huge difference. When Dave put them on my ship the L/D jumped 10%!

Bob

[Dave Nadler]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Took some pics today just for fun.
> Thought some of the 20 crowd would get a kick out of this one.
> I have trouble shaking this guy in my 29...often. ;-)
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B025fk75vORYUh
>
> Sean
> 7T

It's his flying frog that makes him go fast.
Say Hi for us,
See ya, Dave

[Sean Fidler]

My glider is earning its "frog" this winter ;-). 10%? Ill take 1%! ;-)

Sean

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:48:39 PM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:
> > Took some pics today just for fun.
> > Thought some of the 20 crowd would get a kick out of this one.
> > I have trouble shaking this guy in my 29...often. ;-)
> >
> > https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B025fk75vORYUh
> >
> > Sean
> > 7T
>
> It's his flying frog that makes him go fast.
> Say Hi for us,
> See ya, Dave

[Tony[_5_]]

my, what large winglets he has.

Andy Brayer's 20 is awfully nice too...

[JS]

Owned by the chief frog distributor himself. I imagine the wing profile is better than factory.
Nice rounded spoiler caps!
Tony: Dave Nelson's winglets aren't as large as John Neel's (ie: the former B4).
Jim

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:48:19 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
> my, what large winglets he has.
>
> Andy Brayer's 20 is awfully nice too...

[Sean Fidler]

A video: http://youtu.be/5rypbZiSkrY

[Dan Marotta]

Oh... My... Gosh...!!! How can he fly it when all the levers have the
same-looking handles?

Nice looking bird!

On 9/22/2015 7:05 AM, Sean Fidler wrote:
> A video: http://youtu.be/5rypbZiSkrY

--
Dan, 5J

[ND]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 3:48:19 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> my, what large winglets he has.
>
> Andy Brayer's 20 is awfully nice too...

thanks Tony we are proud of it! but "ND" belongs to me AND bryan riegal.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

I have heard for John Neel that a 20 with winglets is very close in performance to the next generation aircraft. This sure is a pretty 20. I love the wood panel.

[Tango Whisky]

Am Mittwoch, 23. September 2015 00:23:33 UTC+2 schrieb Jonathan St. Cloud:
> I have heard for John Neel that a 20 with winglets is very close in performance to the next generation aircraft. This sure is a pretty 20. I love the wood panel.

Well, I flew an ASW20 with winglets for about 400h, and it's still lightyears from the next generation aircraft (which would be an ASW27).

Bert
Ventus cM TW

[krasw]

keskiviikko 23. syyskuuta 2015 10.06.31 UTC+3 Tango Whisky kirjoitti:
>
> Well, I flew an ASW20 with winglets for about 400h, and it's still lightyears from the next generation aircraft (which would be an ASW27).
>
> Bert
> Ventus cM TW

Not lightyears, but maybe few lightdays.

[Dave Nadler]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:50:44 PM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:
> My glider is earning its "frog" this winter ;-). 10%? Ill take 1%! ;-)

My frog is only honorary, for helping Dave with a repair.
I'm sure your glider will go faster with its new frog ;-)

[ND]

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:06:31 AM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 23. September 2015 00:23:33 UTC+2 schrieb Jonathan St. Cloud:
> > I have heard for John Neel that a 20 with winglets is very close in performance to the next generation aircraft. This sure is a pretty 20. I love the wood panel.
>
> Well, I flew an ASW20 with winglets for about 400h, and it's still lightyears from the next generation aircraft (which would be an ASW27).
>
> Bert
> Ventus cM TW

I disagree ;) I don't always fly my best, but when I do I can keep up with ventus 2bx's and 27s for miles and miles. ask Erik Nelson!

i've flown a 27 and i don't prefer it over a 20. a 20 with winglets feels just as nice as to me.

i do prefer a ventus 2bx though, in terms of handling. it handles extremely nicely.
but for cockpit comfort the 20 is better in my opinion. i flew a discus for a long time, and then started flying a 20. got back in the discus once and was sore after about 2 hours.

-andy

[Dan Marotta]

I flew a Discus once and my back hurt for days. I swapped my LS-6 once
with a friend for his '20 and neither one of us was very happy. He
thought the '6 was twitchy and I thought the '20 was heavy. Diff'rent
strokes...

On 9/23/2015 7:23 AM, ND wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:06:31 AM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, 23. September 2015 00:23:33 UTC+2 schrieb Jonathan St. Cloud:
>>> I have heard for John Neel that a 20 with winglets is very close in performance to the next generation aircraft. This sure is a pretty 20. I love the wood panel.
>> Well, I flew an ASW20 with winglets for about 400h, and it's still lightyears from the next generation aircraft (which would be an ASW27).
>>
>> Bert
>> Ventus cM TW
> I disagree ;) I don't always fly my best, but when I do I can keep up with ventus 2bx's and 27s for miles and miles. ask Erik Nelson!
>
> i've flown a 27 and i don't prefer it over a 20. a 20 with winglets feels just as nice as to me.
>
> i do prefer a ventus 2bx though, in terms of handling. it handles extremely nicely.
> but for cockpit comfort the 20 is better in my opinion. i flew a discus for a long time, and then started flying a 20. got back in the discus once and was sore after about 2 hours.
>
> -andy

--
Dan, 5J

[Tango Eight]

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 9:23:31 AM UTC-4, ND wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:06:31 AM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 23. September 2015 00:23:33 UTC+2 schrieb Jonathan St. Cloud:
> > > I have heard for John Neel that a 20 with winglets is very close in performance to the next generation aircraft. This sure is a pretty 20. I love the wood panel.
> >
> > Well, I flew an ASW20 with winglets for about 400h, and it's still lightyears from the next generation aircraft (which would be an ASW27).
> >
> > Bert
> > Ventus cM TW
>
> I disagree ;) I don't always fly my best, but when I do I can keep up with ventus 2bx's and 27s for miles and miles. ask Erik Nelson!
>
> i've flown a 27 and i don't prefer it over a 20. a 20 with winglets feels just as nice as to me.
>
> i do prefer a ventus 2bx though, in terms of handling. it handles extremely nicely.
> but for cockpit comfort the 20 is better in my opinion. i flew a discus for a long time, and then started flying a 20. got back in the discus once and was sore after about 2 hours.
>
> -andy

What the 27 does better than the 20 is climb well in chopped up thermals. What it does *really* well is the same with a load of water.

Given round thermals, a determined 20 driver can do very well against modern carbon and even win now and then, especially if there is ridge running involved. Integrate over the course of a long contest, and the odds accumulate against the 20.

Evan Ludeman / T8 (ASW-20B)

[JS]

> i've flown a 27 and i don't prefer it over a 20. a 20 with winglets feels just as nice as to me.
>

Been on both sides of that equation! We have good days and bad days and that performance difference can be much more than the number after the W.
Good winglets do make slow flight a lot nicer.
Similar colored handles were mentioned. Discovered a while ago that in Australia the factory black spoiler handle, or in this case the cool wooden handles wouldn't pass a "Form 2" (Annual).
....Unless you can distract the inspector with the flying frog.
Jim

[WAVEGURU]

Doesn't the light colored panel create a lot of glare in the canopy? That's why all the instruments are always black.

Boggs