One more Glider crash.......:<(

[[email protected]]

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1


Sad news indeed.

7U

[Jim White[_3_]]

At 18:35 25 September 2015, wrote:
>http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
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>Sad news indeed.
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>7U
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Engine up. When will we learn?

[[email protected]]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 8:00:06 PM UTC+1, Jim White wrote:
> At 18:35 25 September 2015, wrote:
> >http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
> >
> >
> >Sad news indeed.
> >
> >7U
> >
> Engine up. When will we learn?

Perhaps, but I know of one case where the turbo in a Discus BT erected itself in a severe frontal impact that destroyed the cockpit (a winch launch cartwheel)

[Craig Funston]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:25:08 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 8:00:06 PM UTC+1, Jim White wrote:
> > At 18:35 25 September 2015, wrote:
> > >http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
> > >
> > >
> > >Sad news indeed.
> > >
> > >7U
> > >
> > Engine up. When will we learn?
>
> Perhaps, but I know of one case where the turbo in a Discus BT erected itself in a severe frontal impact that destroyed the cockpit (a winch launch cartwheel)

Pretty sobering how severe the destruction of the fwd fuselage is. Best wishes to the pilot for a full recovery.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7, Jim White wrote:
> At 18:35 25 September 2015, wrote:
> >http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
> >
> >
> >Sad news indeed.
> >
> >7U
> >
> Engine up. When will we learn?

Learn what?

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 2:35:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
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> Sad news indeed.
>
> 7U

Let's hope the pilot recovers well.

[Nick[_5_]]

Could be damage from releasing the pilot post crash.

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 2:35:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
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> Sad news indeed.
>
> 7U

I'm guessing it's region 4 south, last name & type match to a contestant.

Hope the reporting is worse than the actual situation.

[son_of_flubber]

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Reported location

[Jim White[_3_]]

At 20:26 25 September 2015, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7, Jim White wrote:
>> At 18:35 25 September 2015, wrote:
>>
>>http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
>> >
>> >
>> >Sad news indeed.
>> >
>> >7U
>> >
>> Engine up. When will we learn?
>
>Learn what?
>
That the increase in workload associated with deploying a turbo causes
accidents (bad accidents) when the pilot is also trying to conduct the
flight or circuit at low level.

I am sorry, it was a somewhat over-reaction spurred on by my dislike of
turbos. I think they are dangerous because of the poor operating design of
most. Glider workshops are full of them.

I too hope the pilot recovers well.

Jim

[[email protected]]

So why are turbo insurance rates cheaper?

[[email protected]]

I don't think it makes any difference if you hit a power line with a pure glider, or a turbo, or a self launch. You are still in a world of trouble at that point.

Kevin

[Ramy[_2_]]

Of course it makes. If he hit the power lines while trying to start the engine or as a result of the engine not starting than it made all the difference in the world. I am not saying this was the case, just that it could be the case. Additional workload at a critical time is a receipt for tunnel vision.

Ramy

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 6:23:01 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
> Of course it makes. If he hit the power lines while trying to start the engine or as a result of the engine not starting than it made all the difference in the world. I am not saying this was the case, just that it could be the case. Additional workload at a critical time is a receipt for tunnel vision.
>
> Ramy

From looking at the flight log carefully, and seeing it depicted in 3D,it is clear he was trying to be as low as he could over the last obstacles before a difficult field and missed seeing the wires. I do not think the turbo had any affect, other than not starting as he had hoped shortly before.
UH

[Juanman[_2_]]

On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 7:38:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 6:23:01 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
> > Of course it makes. If he hit the power lines while trying to start the engine or as a result of the engine not starting than it made all the difference in the world. I am not saying this was the case, just that it could be the case. Additional workload at a critical time is a receipt for tunnel vision.
> >
> > Ramy
>
> From looking at the flight log carefully, and seeing it depicted in 3D,it is clear he was trying to be as low as he could over the last obstacles before a difficult field and missed seeing the wires. I do not think the turbo had any affect, other than not starting as he had hoped shortly before.
> UH

Looking at Google earth it seems that there were good/better fields down in the valley. Perhaps left decisions to the last moment?

[Sean Fidler]

When will the flight trace be shared? Or is it available?

I know that some have already seen it.

Sean
7T

[Frank Whiteley]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:35:50 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
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> Sad news indeed.
>
> 7U

Pilot follow-up.

http://wsls.com/2015/11/04/roanoke-doctor-recovers-recalls-glider-crash-that-nearly-took-his-life/

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:35:50 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> > http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
> >
> >
> > Sad news indeed.
> >
> > 7U
>
> Pilot follow-up.
>
> http://wsls.com/2015/11/04/roanoke-doctor-recovers-recalls-glider-crash-that-nearly-took-his-life/

Hey Frank, thanks for sharing. While I sorta remember the pilot, I have family that really does.
Hope the best for Wharton, speedy recovery, good luck in the future, whatever it brings.....

[shkdriver]

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:35:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/accident-occurred-september-24-2015-in.html?m=1
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> Sad news indeed.
>
> 7U

While the accident clearly damaged the glider, the extraction of the pilot
by rescue crews could have easily resulted in the complete disassembly of the forward fuselage around him.
I.M.H.O.,compared to a typical auto extrication a sailplane would be akin to peeling a hard boiled egg.

God bless and a speedy recovery.

Shk Driver & former
aircraft rescue firefighter