Mating AS-W20 A wings to a C fuselage Anyone done this?

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If you have, I would like to discuss it with you.

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[Tango Whisky]

I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an approved modification), so best would be to talk to them.
You'll get the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55 deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.

Bert
Ventus cM TW

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

What are the advantages of a C fuselage?

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-7, Tango Whisky wrote:
> I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an approved modification), so best would be to talk to them.
> You'll get the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55 deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.
>
> Bert
> Ventus cM TW

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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> What are the advantages of a C fuselage?
>
>
Hydraulic wheel brake, tilt up panel, auto connect elevator.
UH

[ND]

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an approved modification), so best would be to talk to them.
> You'll get the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55 deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.
>
> Bert
> Ventus cM TW

what benefit are you hoping to gain having "A" wings, instead of "C" wings? why not just get a "C"? I have a "C" and it rips. the mod is alot of work for probably VERY little difference. the only reason I'd take the time is if I had two wrecks that I could piece together economically.

[Tango Whisky]

Am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015 13:26:39 UTC+1 schrieb ND:
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an approved modification), so best would be to talk to them.
> > You'll get the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55 deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.
> >
> > Bert
> > Ventus cM TW
>
> what benefit are you hoping to gain having "A" wings, instead of "C" wings? why not just get a "C"? I have a "C" and it rips. the mod is alot of work for probably VERY little difference. the only reason I'd take the time is if I had two wrecks that I could piece together economically.

Yep. It only makes sense if you have an A-model with a fuselage damaged beyond repair.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Tango Whisky wrote on 10/28/2015 11:15 AM:
> I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a
> C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it
> like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an
> approved modification), so best would be to talk to them. You'll get
> the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55
> deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.

I had a C model for 11 years, and was under the impression the wings
were slightly different from the "A" wings, mainly to improve resistance
to spinning.

How would the C fuselage provide 55 degree flaps? I think the mechanism
is all in the fuselage, not in the wings.

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email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf

[Tango Whisky]

Am Samstag, 21. November 2015 00:11:10 UTC+1 schrieb Eric Greenwell:
> Tango Whisky wrote on 10/28/2015 11:15 AM:
> > I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a
> > C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it
> > like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an
> > approved modification), so best would be to talk to them. You'll get
> > the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55
> > deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.
>
> I had a C model for 11 years, and was under the impression the wings
> were slightly different from the "A" wings, mainly to improve resistance
> to spinning.
>
> How would the C fuselage provide 55 degree flaps? I think the mechanism
> is all in the fuselage, not in the wings.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>
> - "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
> http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf

Well, I don't know how it is done in detail, but my ASW20 had a C-fuselage, the A-wings and 55 deg flaps. I guess that you can adjust the mixer to give 55 deg on the flaps.

The C-wings have no advantage whatsoever, and they are certainly not more spin resistent. I have flown an ASW20C with CG near the aft limit, and it was a bitch.

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On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 2:53:33 AM UTC-5, Tango Whisky wrote:
> Am Samstag, 21. November 2015 00:11:10 UTC+1 schrieb Eric Greenwell:
> > Tango Whisky wrote on 10/28/2015 11:15 AM:
> > > I haven't done this, but my former TW (SN 360) had received a
> > > C-fuselage when it was owned by Martin Heide, and I had bought it
> > > like this. Schleicher has issued a technical note on this (it's an
> > > approved modification), so best would be to talk to them. You'll get
> > > the best of two world's - the advantages of the C fuse, and the 55
> > > deg flaps. The C wins offer no advantage whatsoever.
> >
> > I had a C model for 11 years, and was under the impression the wings
> > were slightly different from the "A" wings, mainly to improve resistance
> > to spinning.
> >
> > How would the C fuselage provide 55 degree flaps? I think the mechanism
> > is all in the fuselage, not in the wings.
> >
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> > email me)
> > - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> > https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> >
> > - "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
> > http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
>
> Well, I don't know how it is done in detail, but my ASW20 had a C-fuselage, the A-wings and 55 deg flaps. I guess that you can adjust the mixer to give 55 deg on the flaps.
>
> The C-wings have no advantage whatsoever, and they are certainly not more spin resistent. I have flown an ASW20C with CG near the aft limit, and it was a bitch.

C is slightly better at high speed from my experience. I owned both and test flew them against each other.
UH