LX 9000 or CNII?

[Tom (2N0)]

I have a CNI,CNv, and a LXNAV V7 in my ASG-29. The CNI is easy to operate but it has locked up a few times and has given me a lot of headaches trying to start out of the top of the start cylinder - might be operator error :)

Between the varios I always find myself referencing the V7 because it catches my eye more and I can read it faster - plus I can display my PFlarm with it.

I bought an Antares 20E and have a choice between installing the CNII / CNv and the LX9000 with the 80mm V80 vario. Both will have to be mounted on a ram mount due to limited panel real estate. (I guess the third option would be keeping the SN10 and running my Oudie on the PDA mount)

The ClearNav products are in constant development (which is both good and bad in my opinion). I have not flown with a CNII but everyone is in agreement that it has a faster screen response than the CNI. They have excellent customer service.

The software on the LX9000 seems very mature with many many display and configuration options including AHRS, compass, and running my TRIG transponder that will free up more space. LXNAV answered my email next day on a problem I had with my V7 and they followed up later so I would say they also have excellent customer service but they are in Europe.

Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?

Thanks!

[Richard[_9_]]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 7:45:31 AM UTC-8, Tom (2N0) wrote:
> I have a CNI,CNv, and a LXNAV V7 in my ASG-29. The CNI is easy to operate but it has locked up a few times and has given me a lot of headaches trying to start out of the top of the start cylinder - might be operator error :)
>
> Between the varios I always find myself referencing the V7 because it catches my eye more and I can read it faster - plus I can display my PFlarm with it.
>
> I bought an Antares 20E and have a choice between installing the CNII / CNv and the LX9000 with the 80mm V80 vario. Both will have to be mounted on a ram mount due to limited panel real estate. (I guess the third option would be keeping the SN10 and running my Oudie on the PDA mount)
>
> The ClearNav products are in constant development (which is both good and bad in my opinion). I have not flown with a CNII but everyone is in agreement that it has a faster screen response than the CNI. They have excellent customer service.
>
> The software on the LX9000 seems very mature with many many display and configuration options including AHRS, compass, and running my TRIG transponder that will free up more space. LXNAV answered my email next day on a problem I had with my V7 and they followed up later so I would say they also have excellent customer service but they are in Europe.
>
> Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?
>
> Thanks!

Another Option:

PowerFlarm - V7, S8 or S80 - Ultimate LE 57 on a RAM ARM.


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[[email protected]]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 10:45:31 AM UTC-5, Tom (2N0) wrote:
> I have a CNI,CNv, and a LXNAV V7 in my ASG-29. The CNI is easy to operate but it has locked up a few times and has given me a lot of headaches trying to start out of the top of the start cylinder - might be operator error :)
>
> Between the varios I always find myself referencing the V7 because it catches my eye more and I can read it faster - plus I can display my PFlarm with it.
>
> I bought an Antares 20E and have a choice between installing the CNII / CNv and the LX9000 with the 80mm V80 vario. Both will have to be mounted on a ram mount due to limited panel real estate. (I guess the third option would be keeping the SN10 and running my Oudie on the PDA mount)
>
> The ClearNav products are in constant development (which is both good and bad in my opinion). I have not flown with a CNII but everyone is in agreement that it has a faster screen response than the CNI. They have excellent customer service.
>
> The software on the LX9000 seems very mature with many many display and configuration options including AHRS, compass, and running my TRIG transponder that will free up more space. LXNAV answered my email next day on a problem I had with my V7 and they followed up later so I would say they also have excellent customer service but they are in Europe.
>
> Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?
>
> Thanks!

Lange used to offer a larger panel which would accommodate an in-panel LX9000. LXNAV has the better mouse trap IMO.

[[email protected]]

First up. Both are very good.

It depends on how much you want to "fiddle with it" If you are ok with the extra effort of configuration (and remembering HOW to configure,) the LX9000 is very nice. If you want a setup and forget the CnII is your baby.

I would caution you about thinking that the LX9000 software is more "mature.." Bad software designers hide their lack of skill by giving lots and lots of options to the user. They cover their lack of User Interface design skills with the excuse "in my device, the user has complete control." The LX9000 appears "mature" because the "art" design and the aesthetics are very very good.

The CNII guys are better programmers by at least 1 or 2 levels, However, their art and aesthetic sense is terrible.

Again.. both are good. I'm a Clear Nav owner but if my next ship came with a LX9000, I wouldn't change it out. I'd be quite happy either way.

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 3:51:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> First up. Both are very good.
>
> It depends on how much you want to "fiddle with it" If you are ok with the extra effort of configuration (and remembering HOW to configure,) the LX9000 is very nice. If you want a setup and forget the CnII is your baby.
>
> I would caution you about thinking that the LX9000 software is more "mature." Bad software designers hide their lack of skill by giving lots and lots of options to the user. They cover their lack of User Interface design skills with the excuse "in my device, the user has complete control." The LX9000 appears "mature" because the "art" design and the aesthetics are very very good.
>
> The CNII guys are better programmers by at least 1 or 2 levels, However, their art and aesthetic sense is terrible.
>
> Again.. both are good. I'm a Clear Nav owner but if my next ship came with a LX9000, I wouldn't change it out. I'd be quite happy either way.

Here we go "The CNII guys are better programmers by at least 1 or 2 levels, However, their art and aesthetic sense is terrible."

How did you figure out that they are better programmers? It is simply your opinion and not a fact.

In my previous gliders I used both ClearNav (4 seasons) and LX9000 (2 season). In my new glider I am installing LX9000. If one wants to know why send me a private message.

Andrzej

[George Haeh]

Just to add to the profusion of choice, Air
Glide M and L are available:
http://www.air-
avionics.com/air/index.php/en/products/
air-glide-soaring-avionics/air-glide-display-
l

They incorporate the Butterfly Vario (now
Air Glide S).

Note that the airspace data comes from
OpenAIP. You need to judge how well that
data matches up with where you fly.

Air Avionics has done fine work upgrading
the Air Glide S software.

All you need is the panel space.

[Richard[_9_]]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 7:45:31 AM UTC-8, Tom (2N0) wrote:
> I have a CNI,CNv, and a LXNAV V7 in my ASG-29. The CNI is easy to operate but it has locked up a few times and has given me a lot of headaches trying to start out of the top of the start cylinder - might be operator error :)
>
> Between the varios I always find myself referencing the V7 because it catches my eye more and I can read it faster - plus I can display my PFlarm with it.
>
> I bought an Antares 20E and have a choice between installing the CNII / CNv and the LX9000 with the 80mm V80 vario. Both will have to be mounted on a ram mount due to limited panel real estate. (I guess the third option would be keeping the SN10 and running my Oudie on the PDA mount)
>
> The ClearNav products are in constant development (which is both good and bad in my opinion). I have not flown with a CNII but everyone is in agreement that it has a faster screen response than the CNI. They have excellent customer service.
>
> The software on the LX9000 seems very mature with many many display and configuration options including AHRS, compass, and running my TRIG transponder that will free up more space. LXNAV answered my email next day on a problem I had with my V7 and they followed up later so I would say they also have excellent customer service but they are in Europe.
>
> Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?
>
> Thanks!

Tom,

LXNAV is offering a autumn special for LX9000 upgrade to V8 or V80 for free usually $425 until 12/01/2015.

http://www.craggyaero.com/lxnav_flight_computers.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Dave Springford]

Tom,

There is no right answer, it depends what YOU like the best. Personally, I like the LX9000. I like the user interface and find it easy to understand.. I tried a ClearNav a couple of times and couldn't figure it out. Did not seem intuitive to me like the LX menu structure. Windows vs MacIntosh

My recommendation is, since you have flown with the ClearNav to now spend some time flying with a 9000 and get a feel for the LX, then decide. If you can't find a glider to fly with the 9000, then download the simulator from the LX Nav site and try it out.

http://lxnav.com/downloads/software/LXSimSetup.exe

[Tom (2N0)]

Thanks Dave I have downloaded both the LXSim and the CN sim and run them side by side with flights I did in January in NZ. BTW the LX9000 captured the start the CN still missed it. :) In fairness the CN sim is about a year behind in development.

[JS]

"Different strokes for different folks" (Sly & the Family Stone - Everyday People)

Another biased opinion:
Both are good. Wish I had more time to evaluate the LX9000, which seemed intuitive. Only one flight, and that was nearly four years ago. Hardly valid for software-based instrumentation.
Currently using CN2 and Air-Glide S.
Did have problems with shipping US to Slovenia and back for another computer, but perhaps that was to the Judean People's Front, not the People's Front of Judea. Shipping US to anywhere in Slovenia involves the same logistics.. In my case FedEx would cost much of what the instrument was worth, USPS tracking failed at the Slovenian border.
Perhaps a consideration: The LX uses binary airspace files - so building your own, ie TFR file, is more complicated. Using a text editor you can build an open air file in a few minutes or alternately download from Lynn Alley.
Whichever device you personally choose, I recommend using a stick-mounted controller and mounting the display in the panel. Take into account the new height of the stick with remote when you lay the panel out. Shortening the stick ~30mm might help.
Jim

[Tango Eight]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 10:15:44 PM UTC-5, Tom (2N0) wrote:
> Thanks Dave I have downloaded both the LXSim and the CN sim and run them side by side with flights I did in January in NZ. BTW the LX9000 captured the start the CN still missed it. :) In fairness the CN sim is about a year behind in development.

The CN pc sim is ancient history and has always had a few issues of its own.. I use it to troubleshoot database problems and to try to understand some of the crazy things out Aussie friends do with area tasks, that's about it.. Using it to evaluate a possible CNII purchase isn't really a very good idea.

However, missing starts is a setup problem and I can sort you out on that. (shoot me an email or lets sort it out on the CN forum)

CN was designed from the start to be a device that had a very low attention and fiddle factor in flight. CNII continues and improves upon that tradition.

best regards,
Evan Ludeman for CNi
http://www.clearnav.net/

[Dave Springford]

While the cub file used for the LX9000 airspace is a binary file, as long as you have a copy of SeeYou, you can create a cub file easily using the Mobile Wizard.

As JS says you sometimes want to build your own Open Air file using a text editor, you can still do that for the 9000. Build the Open Air file, load it into SeeYou and then export it to cub format using the Mobile Wizard - done!

[Dan Marotta]

....Assuming you have SeeYou, which I don't. Or does that license come
with the LX products?

On 11/14/2015 8:48 AM, Dave Springford wrote:
> While the cub file used for the LX9000 airspace is a binary file, as long as you have a copy of SeeYou, you can create a cub file easily using the Mobile Wizard.
>
> As JS says you sometimes want to build your own Open Air file using a text editor, you can still do that for the 9000. Build the Open Air file, load it into SeeYou and then export it to cub format using the Mobile Wizard - done!

--
Dan, 5J

[Tom (2N0)]

See you comes in handy. I used it to export maps that did not come with the LXSim download.

[Dave Springford]

Well, I did say, "assuming you have SeeYou".

Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

[Dave Springford]

Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.

Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 4:43:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Springford wrote:
> Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
>
> Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

Because we use other programs that work for us?

;-)

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:43:07 PM UTC-8, Dave Springford wrote:
> Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
>
> Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

The phrase "Why would a cross-country glider pilot not have __________?" is a question that already contains its own answer.

It is the words "glider pilot".

:-)

9B

[Dan Marotta]

Been flying cross country in gliders for 25+ years and never had
SeeYou. Only had a computer for the past 5 or so years and yes, they're
nice, but not necessary in my opinion. I can analyze my flights on
Skylines at home. I'm not knocking any product, just the assumption
that you must have this or that. Each has its followers and each works
for those who use them. And BTW, ATP or not, I still consider myself a
"glider pilot". ;-)

On 11/14/2015 7:19 PM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:43:07 PM UTC-8, Dave Springford wrote:
>> Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
>>
>> Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?
> The phrase "Why would a cross-country glider pilot not have __________?" is a question that already contains its own answer.
>
> It is the words "glider pilot".
>
> :-)
>
> 9B

--
Dan, 5J

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:43:05 -0800, Dave Springford wrote:

> Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
>
> Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

Don't need it - I've got GPLIGC.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[John Carlyle]

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:12:03 AM UTC-5, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:43:05 -0800, Dave Springford wrote:
>
> > Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
> >
> > Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?
>
> Don't need it - I've got GPLIGC.
>
>
> --
> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org |

[John Carlyle]

Finishing my prematurely posted comment:

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show stopper for me...

-John, Q3

> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:12:03 AM UTC-5, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:43:05 -0800, Dave Springford wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.
> > >
> > > Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?
> >
> > Don't need it - I've got GPLIGC.
> >
> >
> > --
> > martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> > gregorie. | Essex, UK
> > org |

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:

> Finishing my prematurely posted comment:
>
> Martin,
>
> If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
> good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
> the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
> Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
> stopper for me...
>
I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.

GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
is certainly right!


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Ed]

"Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?"

Having done >100hrs XC with the CNII and LX9000, I would have to say LX, by a fairly large margin.

I would score the LX higher relative to the CNII in terms of user interface, stability and flexibility. The CN mostly works but isn't much of an advance over WinPilot from 15 years ago. Many of the basic functions require large amounts of button pressing and concentration, which is not good for lookout and soaring. The LX, however, can be mostly set-up and left that way while you get on with the flying. In those 100hrs I have had quite a few freezes and crashes from the CNII but the LX has been 100% reliable - I guess this is down to the maturity of the software and the underlying OS.

[Tango Eight]

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 7:29:00 AM UTC-5, Ed Downham wrote:
> "Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?"
>
> Having done >100hrs XC with the CNII and LX9000, I would have to say LX, by a fairly large margin.
>
> I would score the LX higher relative to the CNII in terms of user interface, stability and flexibility. The CN mostly works but isn't much of an advance over WinPilot from 15 years ago. Many of the basic functions require large amounts of button pressing and concentration, which is not good for lookout and soaring. The LX, however, can be mostly set-up and left that way while you get on with the flying. In those 100hrs I have had quite a few freezes and crashes from the CNII but the LX has been 100% reliable - I guess this is down to the maturity of the software and the underlying OS.

There were some reliability problems with early software and firmware on CNII. That -- as far as I can tell -- is behind us.

Can't imagine what you are doing that "requires large amounts of button pressing and concentration" in flight on CN2. Most users have a very different experience.

-Evan Ludeman for CNi

[Ed Downham[_3_]]

"Can't imagine what you are doing that "requires large amounts of button pressing and concentration" in flight on CN2. Most users have a very different experience."

I can only go from my experiences, e.g. changing from total distance to run and glide to distance to the next TP takes a lot of poking around. On the LX it is no effort at all as you can display both at the same time, should you wish. My general impression was that it took more effort on the part of the pilot to perform similar actions using the CN2 compared with the LX and over a long flight that adds up. I used the CN/LX back-to-back in the same task area.

The OLC "feature" froze the display for 20-30s when accessed which didn't help the first time as I was close to airspace. Attempting to add a new TP on the grid as it wasn't in the database made the unit crash completely, needing the power removed.

I appreciate there might have been some revisions since I last tried it but this was less than a year ago with the (then) latest firmware. I really wanted to like it but it I was surprised how "beta" it behaved. I'm flying a glider in a couple of weeks with a CN2, so will give it another go...

[Dan Marotta]

I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
such a pain in the ass...

On 11/15/2015 12:05 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:
>
>> Finishing my prematurely posted comment:
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>> If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
>> good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
>> the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
>> Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
>> stopper for me...
>>
> I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
> since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
> remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.
>
> GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
> aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
> against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
> is certainly right!
>
>

--
Dan, 5J

[[email protected]]

Le lundi 16 novembre 2015 11:09:04 UTC-5, Dan Marotta a écrit*:
> I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the
> warnings about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a
> risk anymore?).* Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it.*
> Windows 8.1 is such a pain in the ass...
>
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2015 12:05 PM, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:
>
>
>
> Finishing my prematurely posted comment:
>
> Martin,
>
> If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
> good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
> the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
> Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
> stopper for me...
>
>
>
> I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
> since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
> remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.
>
> GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
> aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
> against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
> is certainly right!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan, 5J

Hi

Where does the LX Navigation ZEUS stand compare to these two?

[Steve Koerner]

I've been using CN2 extensively and have not had crashes and do not need to push buttons much at all for contest and record flights. Most button pushing that I do is to zoom in and out; I'm sure that would happen with any computer.

Of late, I'm happy with the product. I did have a few complaints in the past. The company has listened and addressed them. Teething pains are past. Customer service is excellent.

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:08:58 -0700, Dan Marotta wrote:

> I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
> about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
> anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
> such a pain in the ass...
>
Dan,

I can't help with unzipping - sorry (I haven't owned any Windows more
recent than Win95) - except to say that there are a number of FOSS (Free
Open Source) zip programs.

The Linux version has an automated install that assumes that Perl is
already installed and that a C++ compiler is available in case some speed-
boosting code needs to be recompiled - this is SOP for most Linux
programs that are not part of the Linux distribution you're running.

The README file in the ZIP archive says that support, a forum and bug
reporting are all available at

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpligc/support

The manual (in the ZIP) says that it needs Perl 5 with the Perl/TK module
plus Gnuplot (a Perl drawing module). It also says that, if there are no
downloads for your OS than you'll need a to have a C/C++. Well, the only
download is for all operating systems, so unless you have a C/C++
compiler installed and know how to use it, I suggest you forget about
GPLIGC for a while.

Meanwhile, while checking the website, I've just seen that I'm two
releases out of date and that GPLIGC has now been extended to handle
variable-barrel tasks (which I need) so I've just added updating it to my
todo list.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:32:17 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:08:58 -0700, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
>> I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
>> about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
>> anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
>> such a pain in the ass...
>>
> Dan,
>
> I can't help with unzipping - sorry (I haven't owned any Windows more
> recent than Win95) - except to say that there are a number of FOSS (Free
> Open Source) zip programs.
>
> The Linux version has an automated install that assumes that Perl is
> already installed and that a C++ compiler is available in case some
> speed-
> boosting code needs to be recompiled - this is SOP for most Linux
> programs that are not part of the Linux distribution you're running.
>
> The README file in the ZIP archive says that support, a forum and bug
> reporting are all available at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpligc/support
>
> The manual (in the ZIP) says that it needs Perl 5 with the Perl/TK
> module plus Gnuplot (a Perl drawing module). It also says that, if there
> are no downloads for your OS than you'll need a to have a C/C++. Well,
> the only download is for all operating systems, so unless you have a
> C/C++ compiler installed and know how to use it, I suggest you forget
> about GPLIGC for a while.
>
> Meanwhile, while checking the website, I've just seen that I'm two
> releases out of date and that GPLIGC has now been extended to handle
> variable-barrel tasks (which I need) so I've just added updating it to
> my todo list.

Begging GPLIGC's pardon: there *are* windows downloads, but there are a
bit hidden. You can find them here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpligc/files/GPLIGC/1.9/

Download the version that best suits your hardware and Windows version.
The 'src' version is only useful if you have a C/C++ compiler


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks Martin,

Maybe I'll turn it over to my wife. She was a programmer for many years
until wising up and becoming a systems engineer (now retired). :-D

On 11/16/2015 2:32 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:08:58 -0700, Dan Marotta wrote:
>
>> I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
>> about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
>> anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
>> such a pain in the ass...
>>
> Dan,
>
> I can't help with unzipping - sorry (I haven't owned any Windows more
> recent than Win95) - except to say that there are a number of FOSS (Free
> Open Source) zip programs.
>
> The Linux version has an automated install that assumes that Perl is
> already installed and that a C++ compiler is available in case some speed-
> boosting code needs to be recompiled - this is SOP for most Linux
> programs that are not part of the Linux distribution you're running.
>
> The README file in the ZIP archive says that support, a forum and bug
> reporting are all available at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpligc/support
>
> The manual (in the ZIP) says that it needs Perl 5 with the Perl/TK module
> plus Gnuplot (a Perl drawing module). It also says that, if there are no
> downloads for your OS than you'll need a to have a C/C++. Well, the only
> download is for all operating systems, so unless you have a C/C++
> compiler installed and know how to use it, I suggest you forget about
> GPLIGC for a while.
>
> Meanwhile, while checking the website, I've just seen that I'm two
> releases out of date and that GPLIGC has now been extended to handle
> variable-barrel tasks (which I need) so I've just added updating it to my
> todo list.
>
>

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Dan, 5J

[Paul B[_2_]]

Hi Dan

The unzipping part is simple, just click on the zipped file and the file manager will show you the contents of the zipped archive, highlight and copy those files into a directory(folder) of your choice. Windows will unzip the files an route. Bill will accept your apology anytime you are ready :).

Cheers

Paul


On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 02:09:04 UTC+10, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the
> warnings about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a
> risk anymore?).* Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it.*
> Windows 8.1 is such a pain in the ass...
>
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2015 12:05 PM, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:
>
>
>
> Finishing my prematurely posted comment:
>
> Martin,
>
> If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
> good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
> the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
> Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
> stopper for me...
>
>
>
> I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
> since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
> remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.
>
> GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
> aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
> against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
> is certainly right!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan, 5J

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:30:11 -0700, Dan Marotta wrote:

> Thanks Martin,
>
> Maybe I'll turn it over to my wife. She was a programmer for many years
> until wising up and becoming a systems engineer (now retired). :-D
>
Dan, last night I got GPLIGC version 1.pre10 running - so far it looks
good, though as its effectively a beta release you might want to stick to
release 1.9

pre10 can only be built from source, so needs a C/C++ compiler. The only
problem I had was not understanding the way the OpenGL graphics package
is built. GPLIGC needs the GLUT utility package and it turns out that the
original version is abandonware for historical reasons, so I was stalled
until I discovered that GPLIGC uses the freeglut version. Then there was
a bijou snaggette which may be specific to RedHat Linuxes and their
clones: freeglut builds the GLUT library (which was already installed
under RedHat Fedora 22 as part of the freeglut package BUT this is only
the binary library, and to compile GPLIGC you also need the freeglut_devel
package, which is NOT installed by default - this contains the headers
etc that a compiler needs. Once I'd installed both ('dnf install
freeglut*') the compilation ran to completion and version pre10 burst
into life.

Apologies to all the non-developers on here, but I've posted the above in
the hope that it saves some head-scratching for anybody else attempting
to build GPLIGC from source.


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Zeus - I have not flown with it but based on a demo and reports it is now very equivalent to the LX9000. Now, because it started later and had catching up to do.

Two specific points of comparison -
the LX X0X0 range has more flexibility in how you setup the screens using LX Styler than the Zeus, I like this but it would not matter to pilots who use the default setup or something similar.
and the Zeus uses a logger external to the computer unit so will be much easier to arrange calibration checks.

On ease of use in flight - 2 of the things I use most often are volume and zoom, I like having dedicated knobs for these rather than the CN interface. But I am sure the CN wins of these three on ease of use without learning time.

[Dan Marotta]

I now have the LX Sim running on my PC and figured out how to look at
past flights. Can someone tell me - will this play back a flight or
only display the complete track as on OLC?

On 11/19/2015 4:29 AM, wrote:
> Zeus - I have not flown with it but based on a demo and reports it is now very equivalent to the LX9000. Now, because it started later and had catching up to do.
>
> Two specific points of comparison -
> the LX X0X0 range has more flexibility in how you setup the screens using LX Styler than the Zeus, I like this but it would not matter to pilots who use the default setup or something similar.
> and the Zeus uses a logger external to the computer unit so will be much easier to arrange calibration checks.
>
> On ease of use in flight - 2 of the things I use most often are volume and zoom, I like having dedicated knobs for these rather than the CN interface. But I am sure the CN wins of these three on ease of use without learning time.

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[[email protected]]

Hey Dan,

It'll replay your flight.

CJ

[Dan Marotta]

CJ,

How? I have my igc files in the LX directories. I can scroll through
the flights and select one, but I haven't figured out how to make it
play. Also my files that I use with my XCSoar don't display terrain or
special use airspace. Some guidance there would be helpful, too!

Dan

On 11/19/2015 9:53 AM, wrote:
> Hey Dan,
>
> It'll replay your flight.
>
> CJ

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Dan, 5J

[Dan Marotta]

I got it to replay one of my flights, but I don't know how I did it... :-[

On 11/19/2015 10:35 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> CJ,
>
> How? I have my igc files in the LX directories. I can scroll through
> the flights and select one, but I haven't figured out how to make it
> play. Also my files that I use with my XCSoar don't display terrain
> or special use airspace. Some guidance there would be helpful, too!
>
> Dan
>
> On 11/19/2015 9:53 AM, wrote:
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>> It'll replay your flight.
>>
>> CJ
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

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Dan, 5J

[[email protected]]

File/open - i.e. an IGC file from wherever on your comouter- then press the play tab at the top of the sim.

My problem is that I've never managed to get it to display a terrain map.

[[email protected]]

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 9:07:51 AM UTC+1, wrote:

> My problem is that I've never managed to get it to display a terrain map.

The terrain data in the simulator is only from Slovenia. If you have Seeyou, it's possible to generate new terrain data and add it to LXSim. You can ask LXNAV about that, they can send you a description of how to do it.

[[email protected]]

Hi Dan,

Well this is embarrassing.....

Having successfully replayed flights in the past, I find I'm unable to do so now (using the latest version). I can upload past flights into the sim's flight folder so they show as if they've been flown, upload custom TP's, select local maps etc. I can review the uploaded flights within the logbook etc but I just can't get them to replay. I get a flashing aircraft symbol and a red 'N.C.' in the top left corner. This is similar to Oudie Simulator being run on a PC with a real Oudie profile so that it looks for a non-existent GPS position instead of using the simulator function. Lemme work on it a while and get back to you?

CJ

[[email protected]]

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:04:04 PM UTC, wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> Well this is embarrassing.....
>
> Having successfully replayed flights in the past, I find I'm unable to do so now (using the latest version). I can upload past flights into the sim's flight folder so they show as if they've been flown, upload custom TP's, select local maps etc. I can review the uploaded flights within the logbook etc but I just can't get them to replay. I get a flashing aircraft symbol and a red 'N.C.' in the top left corner. This is similar to Oudie Simulator being run on a PC with a real Oudie profile so that it looks for a non-existent GPS position instead of using the simulator function. Lemme work on it a while and get back to you?
>
> CJ

Tried again with latest version of sim and it replays fine. No need to put flight records in a specific file just press the "file" button then "open", navigate to the flight file - "open" again. Then press play.

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks! I'll give that a try.

I got it to display terrain by moving my XCSoar map files to the
following folder on my laptop: C:\Program Files(x86)\LXNAV\LXSIM\Maps.

On 11/20/2015 1:07 AM, wrote:
> File/open - i.e. an IGC file from wherever on your comouter- then press the play tab at the top of the sim.
>
> My problem is that I've never managed to get it to display a terrain map.

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Dan, 5J

[Tom (2N0)]

Update:
I bought a LX 9000 with the V80. As I am putting it in my Antares I needed an optional engine noise level sensor (electric engine). I also bought a Bridge 232 so I can control my TRIG transponder with the LX 9000 (saves a panel spot). I will be displaying PowerFlarm information on the V80 but might add a Flarmview at a later date.

I bought from Cumulus (I'm a mutual support member) and Paul will program my Powerflarm information, test the system, and add a Ram mount all before shipping it out. Easy button!

I am going to mount it on a ram mount but the factory is now offering a different panel and cover specifically for a LX 9000 install. Always good to have options!

I will post pictures when it is completed.