Help Needed: LXNAV S80 and Remote Stick grip

[ZP]

I have an S80 and just installed the remote stick. Everything is working fine except the sc glide/climb momentary switch. Pressing it cycles through the menus as if it is wired together with the 'enter' button. It doesn't change between climb and cruise modes as expected. I have auto-switching turned "off" and the sc mode is set to "taster". I'm guessing I need to wire it to the sc mode wire instead of the PCB, but the instructions don't give any indication of this. Has anyone run into this problem?

[Dave Springford]

The two wires labeled SC from the remote stick are wired to the SC input for the vario. There should also be two wires labeled PTT on the stick that connect to the radio. The other 4 small wires from the stick should connect directly to the CAN adapter via the colour coded inputs.

PM me if you would like a PDF copy of the installation manual for the remote/S80.


Dave Springford
www.foxonecorp.com

[ZP]

The stick only came with the "colored" wires, and the PTT wire. There was no additional SC wire from the stick. The installation manual made it sound like there was another wire like the PTT wire, but nothing. The SC momentary switch is clearly wired to at least one of the 'colored' wires since it is causing some behavioral changes on the vario. Tomorrow I will take the stick apart and see if I can figure it out.

[[email protected]]

I heard that the new remote stick doesn't need a sepeate wire for the vario/sc switch. Possibly the documentation is not yet adapted, it would be best to ask LXNAV.

[Neil McLaughlin[_3_]]

I have the exact same problem.

Looking at the wiring diagram of the serial connector something doesnt
look right with how mine is currently setup. I have the same stick- one
PTT wire and 4 coloured wires going into a canbus and then into the
serial port.

Any ideas?

Neil



At 10:33 16 January 2016, wrote:
>I heard that the new remote stick doesn't need a sepeate wire for the
>vario/sc switch. Possibly the documentation is not yet adapted, it
would be
>best to ask LXNAV.
>

[Greg Delp]

Same exact problem for mine as well. There are no SC wires. I assume most likely it will need a firmware update. I haven't had the chance to ask Uros yet.

[Richard Pfiffner]

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:00:40 AM UTC-8, Greg Delp wrote:
> Same exact problem for mine as well. There are no SC wires. I assume most likely it will need a firmware update. I haven't had the chance to ask Uros yet.




New remote stick comes without standard SC cable. There is no more need to solder these wires, as they are programmable through LX90xx/S80/8 software.
In order to make it work, please check following setting. Go to Setup->Hardware->Variometer and make sure that none of input is set to "SC on/off switch" or "SC toggle button".

Remote stick will not operate, until is registered on device. Remote stick can be
registered under setup
-
hardware
-
Remote stick. Registration must be done on
each unit
(S80 and S80D

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[ZP]

There are only two settings that I can find... 1) Auto SC = OFF, GPS, GFORCE. I set it to "off". 2) SC Switch = ON, OFF, TASTER. I set it to "taster".

On the vario side, there is a dedicated SC line. It is fully functional in the modes I have set. I can manually ground those wires and it will toggle between cruise and climb modes. However, there is no dedicated line provided with the stick to hook it to.

I suspect the stick is wired for the LX9xxxx units, not the S80. I will take the stick apart today and check the wiring. I'll report back. Adding a dedicated wire to that switch and connecting it to the SC wire on the vario will definitely fix this problem.

I sent a note to LXNav through their "contact us" support link. This is the first time I've tried to contact them so I don't know how responsive they will be.

ZP

[Richard Pfiffner]

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 8:39:40 AM UTC-8, ZP wrote:
> There are only two settings that I can find... 1) Auto SC = OFF, GPS, GFORCE. I set it to "off". 2) SC Switch = ON, OFF, TASTER. I set it to "taster".
>
> On the vario side, there is a dedicated SC line. It is fully functional in the modes I have set. I can manually ground those wires and it will toggle between cruise and climb modes. However, there is no dedicated line provided with the stick to hook it to.
>
> I suspect the stick is wired for the LX9xxxx units, not the S80. I will take the stick apart today and check the wiring. I'll report back. Adding a dedicated wire to that switch and connecting it to the SC wire on the vario will definitely fix this problem.
>
> I sent a note to LXNav through their "contact us" support link. This is the first time I've tried to contact them so I don't know how responsive they will be.
>
> ZP



Speed go fly button on the front of the stick is custom button, which function can be set by user in setup-hardware-remote stick

I would not disassemble the stick. LXNAV changed the way the stick works, it no longer has SC wires in the stick controller. The switch is connected to other inputs/outputs and is controlled by the software in the device.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Dave Springford]

Interesting that the latest Remote manual still says:

"PTT wires are connected to radio, SC is connected to Speed to fly input of vario unit."

I now understand your confusion!

[Greg Delp]

Uros has always been very responsive for any issues I may have had, not to indicate there were many. I would wait for a response back as it usually takes a day or two at most. When I installed some proximity switches for the gear and spoiler warnings the current S80 firmware wasn't totally up to speed with making those warnings available. Uros made a beta firmware available and it worked as to be expected after that.

[ZP]

I didn't open up the stick afterall. I'll wait for the software solution as you all suggest. If a firmware solution is required, perhaps some of you with influence can get him to add "nearest airports" to the list! ;)

[Neil McLaughlin[_3_]]

I've been informed it is a firmware issue and LX NAV are working on it.
I dont have any info on timescales though.



At 17:06 17 January 2016, ZP wrote:
>I didn't open up the stick afterall. I'll wait for the software solution
>as you all suggest. If a firmware solution is required, perhaps some
of
>you with influence can get him to add "nearest airports" to the list! ;)
>

[ZP]

I got an email response from Uros. A firmware fix is in the works. Within the next week actually. Excellent!

Thinking the worse last weekend (no fix for months), I decided to start hooking up the SC cable from the vario to a separate momentary switch as a temporary solution. It worked fine when the "auto SC" feature was turned off. However, when set to auto-sc (e.g. GPS), the switch did not appear to work anymore. I thought that this sc line would still work and override any auto-sc logic running. The "vario priority" input also appeared to stop working as well. I ran out of daylight so I didn't do as much exhaustive testing as I had planned. I'll report back my findings by next weekend.

[ZP]

Firmware fix has been provided and working. Unfortunately, you won't be able to have automated setting AND the momentary switch at the same time. I thought it might be good to have is auto-change based on airspeed, but then use the momentary switch as an 'override' button (i.e. switch it back to climb). Doesn't work that way. The momentary switch will be the only way to change modes with the exception of the "vario priority" signal. The vario priority signeal will overrride the current setting and always change the mode to "vario".

[Neil McLaughlin[_3_]]

Thats interesting that your firmware update worked, mine didnt. I
received "SENSOR BOX ERROR" after the update and now everytime
on startup, and now the SC switch doesnt do anything, whereas
before it mimicked whatever the last button press was. So thats a
step forward in that the switch doesnt do random things now.

You mention the SC wire- which one is that? My stick only came with
4 coloured wires and a PTT wire.

I had the S80 settings correct i believe.

Vario Parameters->Auto SC is set to off
Hardware -> Vario is set to Taster. (I also tried it in "Remote"
setting, no change)

Cheers,

Neil


At 06:35 26 January 2016, ZP wrote:
>Firmware fix has been provided and working. Unfortunately, you
won't be
>ab=
>le to have automated setting AND the momentary switch at the
same time. I
>=
>thought it might be good to have is auto-change based on
airspeed, but
>then=
> use the momentary switch as an 'override' button (i.e. switch it
back to
>c=
>limb). Doesn't work that way. The momentary switch will be the
only way
>t=
>o change modes with the exception of the "vario priority" signal.
The
>vari=
>o priority signeal will overrride the current setting and always
change
>the=
> mode to "vario".
>
>
>
>

[ZP]

Did you go to the password page and force the update through there? Rebooting the S80 with just the files is not enough. Check the instructions. If you did all that, maybe try again. Could have had a corrupted load(?).

[Neil McLaughlin[_3_]]

I out the software update on the micro SD, and that automatically
updated, i then went to hardware and reregistered the stick.

Just looked at the manual, didnt take those steps with the firmware
update- will give it a try tomorrow!


At 03:59 28 January 2016, ZP wrote:
>Did you go to the password page and force the update through there?
>Rebooting the S80 with just the files is not enough. Check the
>instructions. If you did all that, maybe try again. Could have had a
>corrupted load(?).
>

[Richard Pfiffner]

On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:45:08 AM UTC-8, Neil McLaughlin wrote:
> I out the software update on the micro SD, and that automatically
> updated, i then went to hardware and reregistered the stick.
>
> Just looked at the manual, didnt take those steps with the firmware
> update- will give it a try tomorrow!
>
>
> At 03:59 28 January 2016, ZP wrote:
> >Did you go to the password page and force the update through there?
> >Rebooting the S80 with just the files is not enough. Check the
> >instructions. If you did all that, maybe try again. Could have had a
> >corrupted load(?).
> >

Neil,

Two processors have firmware updates.

The first processor in the S80 updates automatically. The second processor you have to go to the password screen enter 89891 and select the firmware and update.



Richard
www.craggyaero.com