Round the World route? [Archive]

Alano

March 30th 04, 11:58 AM

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:50:54 +1000, "Peter and Susan"
> wrote:

>Clive > wrote in message
...
>> What's the recognised route around the world. Planning on doing it in the
>> Baron.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to a flightplan in FSNavigator for such a route?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Clive
>
>Fuel is the key. If you fit ferry fuel tanks, you can do California Hawaii
>which is one of the deciding sectors due to the long range, otherwise via
>the north Pacific.
>
>Cheers
>Peter Cokley
>

Shame that the range of the Baron falls short by a meagre 100nm for
the Easter Island route It would not take a lot of Extra fuel and with
favourable winds who knows?

Alan

Bill

March 30th 04, 04:25 PM

"Alan White" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:29:40 +0000 (UTC), "quilljar" >
> wrote:
>
> >Surely the whole point and fun of a round the world trip could ONLY be
from
> >planning it yourself?
>
> I agree. I think it's pathetic to even ask the question.
>
> --
> Alan White
> Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
> Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
> http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Well that's a pathetic attitude. If you don't care to give pathetic pedantic
answers to pathetic questions then restrain yourself. We are not all as
gifted as you are.

Bill

quilljar

March 30th 04, 05:24 PM

>
> Well that's a pathetic attitude. If you don't care to give pathetic
pedantic
> answers to pathetic questions then restrain yourself. We are not all as
> gifted as you are.
>
> Bill

He's not gifted Bill, just not pathetic either :-)

Alan White

March 30th 04, 05:55 PM

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:26 -0500, "Bill" > wrote:

>Well that's a pathetic attitude.

No it's not.

What is pathetic is to not make the effort to get out an atlas, plot
out a route and fly it. This is not only fun but also educational.

I flew the FS95(?) Learjet around the world using a 'Compact World
Atlas', a circular protractor and a lot of trial and error. On the way
I learnt about navigating using VORs and NDBs and how to fly an ILS
approach. It was fun because I was doing it myself, learning as I went
and the sense of achievement at the end was remarkable. I commend it
to others.

>We are not all as gifted as you are.

It's not a question of being gifted or not. It's a question of common
sense and application.

--
Alan White
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Bill

March 30th 04, 06:01 PM

"Alan White" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:26 -0500, "Bill" > wrote:
>
> >Well that's a pathetic attitude.
>
> No it's not.
>
> What is pathetic is to not make the effort to get out an atlas, plot
> out a route and fly it. This is not only fun but also educational.
>
> I flew the FS95(?) Learjet around the world using a 'Compact World
> Atlas', a circular protractor and a lot of trial and error. On the way
> I learnt about navigating using VORs and NDBs and how to fly an ILS
> approach. It was fun because I was doing it myself, learning as I went
> and the sense of achievement at the end was remarkable. I commend it
> to others.
>
> >We are not all as gifted as you are.
>
> It's not a question of being gifted or not. It's a question of common
> sense and application.
>
> --
> Alan White
> Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
> Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
> http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Well bully for you!

Marcel Kuijper

March 30th 04, 08:41 PM

"Clive" wrote:
> What's the recognised route around the world. Planning on doing it in the
> Baron.

I'm still halfway around in my DC-3.
Below you'll find my flightplan as it stands now. You can either fill it
from
there or just use some of the points.
The first leg (CYYT - LPCR) is crucial if you want to cross the Atlantic,
but crossing over Greenland is always an option. From there it's a piece
of cake making it to Iceland and the UK and the rest of Europe.
But I've come across some really nice and sometimes strange scenery.

Flying over New Zealand is a MUST!! Have fun at Mount Cooke (YMCO)!

CYYT - LPCR
LPCR - LPMA
LPMA - GQNC
GQNC - DRRN
DRRN - FCOK
FCOK - FLMW
FLMW - Z23K
Z23K - FIMP
FIMP - FJDG
FJDG - YPCC
YPCC - YSHK
YSHK - YCDU
YCDU - YMCO
YMCO - NZMC
NZMC - NZTG
NZTG - NIUE
NIUE - NTAA
NTAA - NTGJ
NTGJ - SCIP
SCIP - SCFX
SCFX - SLCC

To this point the trip is 22372.2nm, using 9420.9 gallons of fuel.
Total flighttime in the DC-3 (averaging FL170) is 111:11.52'

The plan from here is to fly up South America, over the Southern states
of the US and back up to St. Johns, New Foundland, Canada.

The real challenge is flying a straight line over both poles, or flying the
full length of the equator.

Have fun!
Marcel

FlyingAxx

March 30th 04, 09:49 PM

Marcel Kuijper wrote:

<snipped>
> SCFX - SLCC
>
> To this point the trip is 22372.2nm, using 9420.9 gallons of fuel.
> Total flighttime in the DC-3 (averaging FL170) is 111:11.52'
>
> The plan from here is to fly up South America, over the Southern states
> of the US and back up to St. Johns, New Foundland, Canada.
>
> The real challenge is flying a straight line over both poles, or flying the
> full length of the equator.
>
> Have fun!
> Marcel
>
>
Nice plan Marcel,
I'm sure you know, that you can't make the poles and the equator route
is boring because there is too much water. I'm not keen to count
fishes - even if there are flying <g>.
It's not too easy to plan a really interesting flight just staying
close to a great circle. The best chance to have as much land as
possible is starting somewhere in Europe towards Auckland.
--
Regards
Axel

John Ward

March 31st 04, 12:07 AM

Hi Alan,

Here here, as they say!!

There's some Scottish pipes and drums regimental band coming to Brissie'
soon, and I'll be there, with bells on! :-)

I also heard that there's going to be some form of Edinburgh Tattoo
transported out here, and performing to commemorate some aspect of Aussie'
contribution. I'll never forget the clear, warm night we had the time I saw
it in Scotland with my parents.

Regards,
John

I feel sorry and embarrassed when blokes like Bill display such
ignorance, and lack of understanding.

Regards,
John
"Alan White" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:25:26 -0500, "Bill" > wrote:
>
> >Well that's a pathetic attitude.
>
> No it's not.
>
> What is pathetic is to not make the effort to get out an atlas, plot
> out a route and fly it. This is not only fun but also educational.
>
> I flew the FS95(?) Learjet around the world using a 'Compact World
> Atlas', a circular protractor and a lot of trial and error. On the way
> I learnt about navigating using VORs and NDBs and how to fly an ILS
> approach. It was fun because I was doing it myself, learning as I went
> and the sense of achievement at the end was remarkable. I commend it
> to others.
>
> >We are not all as gifted as you are.
>
> It's not a question of being gifted or not. It's a question of common
> sense and application.
>
> --
> Alan White
> Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
> Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
> http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Bill

March 31st 04, 12:13 AM

No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just dont
understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they ask a
question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to respond
then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.

These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again dont feel
sorry for me but rather for yourselves
Is civilty is too much to ask for?

Bill

John Ward

March 31st 04, 12:59 AM

Hi Bill,

Of course not! Civility is to be expected.

Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?

Regards,
John
"Bill" > wrote in message
. ..
> No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just dont
> understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they ask a
> question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to
respond
> then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
>
> These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again dont feel
> sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> Is civilty is too much to ask for?
>
> Bill
>
>

March 31st 04, 01:13 AM

I agree with you Bill.

Alan could quite easily have put in his later response instead of his first
for a reply to the question.

>I flew the FS95(?) Learjet around the world using a 'Compact World
>Atlas', a circular protractor and a lot of trial and error. On the way
>I learnt about navigating using VORs and NDBs and how to fly an ILS
>approach. It was fun because I was doing it myself, learning as I went
>and the sense of achievement at the end was remarkable. I commend it
>to others.

And no hackles would have been raised.

TR.

"Bill" > wrote in message
. ..
> No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just dont
> understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they ask a
> question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to
respond
> then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
>
> These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again dont feel
> sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> Is civilty is too much to ask for?
>
> Bill
>
>

Alan White

March 31st 04, 09:09 AM

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:13:59 GMT, "TR" > wrote:

>Alan could quite easily have put in his later response instead of his first
>for a reply to the question.

I don't want to drag this out but the OP asked 'Can anyone point me to
a flightplan in FSNavigator for such a route?'

My first response was 'It's there by default.' which answered the
second part of his query.

So the OP not only didn't have the initiative to sort himself out but
had the answer sitting under his nose all the time but was too lazy to
look.

The post which presumably raised the hackles was my response to
quilljar in which I said 'I think it's pathetic to even ask the
question.' On reflection, the wording was insensitive, and I apologise
for that, but I stand by the sentiment.

Enlarging on my earlier post, we seem to have entered a culture in
which people will do anything other than try to help themselves.
Usenet is very useful to these people because there is always some
helpful soul who will come to their rescue. There is then no incentive
for said people to read manuals, read FAQs, read previous posts or to
experiment. In other words, no incentive to seek out answers or to
learn by experience, which is one of the most valuable ways of
achieving knowledge.

I'm now sixty-six, and that probably shows, but if my ageing brain can
cope then anyone can.

--
Alan White
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Alan White

March 31st 04, 09:13 AM

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:07:48 +1000, "John Ward"
> wrote:

>I feel sorry and embarrassed when blokes like Bill display such
>ignorance, and lack of understanding.

Blokes like Bill are very good for making the rest of us stop and
think :-)

--
Alan White
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow.
Overlooking Loch Goil and Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland.
http://tinyurl.com/55v3

Bill

March 31st 04, 12:23 PM

John,

Jamaica.

Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since

Bill

"John Ward" > wrote in message
u...
> Hi Bill,
>
> Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
>
> Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
>
> Regards,
> John
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just dont
> > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they ask
a
> > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to
> respond
> > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> >
> > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again dont
feel
> > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>

Fr. Bill Leaming

March 31st 04, 04:20 PM

Alan White wrote:

> So the OP not only didn't have the initiative to sort himself out but
> had the answer sitting under his nose all the time but was too lazy to
> look.

Years ago, during the old pre-internet BBS days, I designed a model for a DOS
"bomber" game in which the goal was to drop a bomb on a target using a "Norden"
type bombsight. Next to the "bombsight," there was a box with red letters that
said, "Press B to drop bomb."

You would not believe the number of comments I received saying essentially:
"Nice game, but how do I drop the bomb?" :(

Bill
--
Fr. Bill Leaming

ICQ 12881426

"Some people grasp stupidity as though it were a virtue.
Some people grow with responsibility - others swell.
Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall.
Some are wise; others are otherwise.
Utrum lex sit actus intellectus seu voluntatis."

John Ward

March 31st 04, 07:20 PM

Hi Bill,

1/2 yer luck, mate!

Regards,
John
"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> John,
>
> Jamaica.
>
> Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since
>
> Bill
>
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> u...
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> >
> > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just
dont
> > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they
ask
> a
> > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to
> > respond
> > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > >
> > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again dont
> feel
> > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bill

March 31st 04, 07:22 PM

Pardon my ignorance. I do not get your point.

Bill

"John Ward" > wrote in message
u...
> Hi Bill,
>
> 1/2 yer luck, mate!
>
> Regards,
> John
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > John,
> >
> > Jamaica.
> >
> > Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > u...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> > >
> > > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I just
> dont
> > > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when they
> ask
> > a
> > > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way to
> > > respond
> > > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > > >
> > > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again
dont
> > feel
> > > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

John Ward

March 31st 04, 07:34 PM

Hi William,

Alternatively:

"Nice game, but how do I drop the bomb?"

I've Googled, but I can't even find TFM, otherwise I'd RTFM, so I think
I'll just display my ignorance and crassness by being rude to, and
offending, a prominent member of the flightsim' community, seeing as how
I've been here for fully 5 minutes....

Unusually, I'm wondering whether I should have done a Google search to
see if Alan White crops up?

Nah, I don't know how to do that, and anyway, I'm not going to waste my
time on something as mundane as that....

Regards,
John
"Fr. Bill Leaming" > wrote in message
...
> Alan White wrote:
>
> > So the OP not only didn't have the initiative to sort himself out but
> > had the answer sitting under his nose all the time but was too lazy to
> > look.
>
> Years ago, during the old pre-internet BBS days, I designed a model for a
DOS
> "bomber" game in which the goal was to drop a bomb on a target using a
"Norden"
> type bombsight. Next to the "bombsight," there was a box with red letters
that
> said, "Press B to drop bomb."
>
> You would not believe the number of comments I received saying
essentially:
> "Nice game, but how do I drop the bomb?" :(
>
> Bill
> --
> Fr. Bill Leaming
>
> ICQ 12881426
>
> "Some people grasp stupidity as though it were a virtue.
> Some people grow with responsibility - others swell.
> Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall.
> Some are wise; others are otherwise.
> Utrum lex sit actus intellectus seu voluntatis."
>
>

John Ward

March 31st 04, 07:39 PM

Hi Bill,

I believe Florida's a pretty nice place - just saying you're lucky to be
living there, as I'm lucky to be living in Brisbane, Australia!

Any problems, mate?

Regards,
John
"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> Pardon my ignorance. I do not get your point.
>
> Bill
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> u...
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > 1/2 yer luck, mate!
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Jamaica.
> > >
> > > Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > u...
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> > > >
> > > > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I
just
> > dont
> > > > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when
they
> > ask
> > > a
> > > > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the way
to
> > > > respond
> > > > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > > > >
> > > > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again
> dont
> > > feel
> > > > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bill

March 31st 04, 08:12 PM

None what so ever.

Yes Florida is pretty nice especially this time of the year. Had a very
pleasant round of golf in a cool 68 sunny day.
Summers are brutal and of course hurricane season keeps us on our toes.

I am hoping that you did not mean that the 1/2 "not" so lucky was being
Jamaican.

Cheers.
Bill

"John Ward" > wrote in message
u...
> Hi Bill,
>
> I believe Florida's a pretty nice place - just saying you're lucky to
be
> living there, as I'm lucky to be living in Brisbane, Australia!
>
> Any problems, mate?
>
> Regards,
> John
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Pardon my ignorance. I do not get your point.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > u...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > 1/2 yer luck, mate!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > Jamaica.
> > > >
> > > > Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > > u...
> > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > > . ..
> > > > > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I
> just
> > > dont
> > > > > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when
> they
> > > ask
> > > > a
> > > > > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the
way
> to
> > > > > respond
> > > > > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so again
> > dont
> > > > feel
> > > > > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > > > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

John Ward

March 31st 04, 08:33 PM

Hi Bill,

Course not - I was just saying you're a lucky ******* living in
Florida!! :-)

Anything wrong with being simple and straightforward? - we're lucky
enough to still be able to be that way in Aus'!!

Regards,
John
"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> None what so ever.
>
> Yes Florida is pretty nice especially this time of the year. Had a very
> pleasant round of golf in a cool 68 sunny day.
> Summers are brutal and of course hurricane season keeps us on our toes.
>
> I am hoping that you did not mean that the 1/2 "not" so lucky was being
> Jamaican.
>
> Cheers.
> Bill
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> u...
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I believe Florida's a pretty nice place - just saying you're lucky
to
> be
> > living there, as I'm lucky to be living in Brisbane, Australia!
> >
> > Any problems, mate?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Pardon my ignorance. I do not get your point.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > u...
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > >
> > > > 1/2 yer luck, mate!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jamaica.
> > > > >
> > > > > Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida) since
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > > > u...
> > > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > > > . ..
> > > > > > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me. I
> > just
> > > > dont
> > > > > > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people when
> > they
> > > > ask
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is the
> way
> > to
> > > > > > respond
> > > > > > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so
again
> > > dont
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > > > > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bill

March 31st 04, 08:40 PM

Nothing at all John , and yes I agree in the US at times one feels too
restricted in being straight forward. But I think its the delivery that
makes the difference.

Anyway I think we have beaten this kangaroo to death and its time to fly on
! :-)

Regards
Bill

"John Ward" > wrote in message
u...
> Hi Bill,
>
> Course not - I was just saying you're a lucky ******* living in
> Florida!! :-)
>
> Anything wrong with being simple and straightforward? - we're lucky
> enough to still be able to be that way in Aus'!!
>
> Regards,
> John
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > None what so ever.
> >
> > Yes Florida is pretty nice especially this time of the year. Had a very
> > pleasant round of golf in a cool 68 sunny day.
> > Summers are brutal and of course hurricane season keeps us on our toes.
> >
> > I am hoping that you did not mean that the 1/2 "not" so lucky was being
> > Jamaican.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Bill
> >
> > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > u...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > I believe Florida's a pretty nice place - just saying you're lucky
> to
> > be
> > > living there, as I'm lucky to be living in Brisbane, Australia!
> > >
> > > Any problems, mate?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Pardon my ignorance. I do not get your point.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > > u...
> > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > 1/2 yer luck, mate!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jamaica.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Became a US citizen in 1977 and been living here (Florida)
since
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "John Ward" > wrote in message
> > > > > > u...
> > > > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course not! Civility is to be expected.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where are you from, Bill, if you don't mind me asking?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > . ..
> > > > > > > > No lack of anything here and please dont feel sorry for me.
I
> > > just
> > > > > dont
> > > > > > > > understand why it is necessary to demean or insult people
when
> > > they
> > > > > ask
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > question, no matter how trivial it may appear. If that is
the
> > way
> > > to
> > > > > > > respond
> > > > > > > > then better not respond and stay away from the NG's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > These groups have people from all walks and backgrounds so
> again
> > > > dont
> > > > > > feel
> > > > > > > > sorry for me but rather for yourselves
> > > > > > > > Is civilty is too much to ask for?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Marcel Kuijper

March 31st 04, 09:15 PM

"FlyingAxx" wrote:

> Nice plan Marcel,

Thanks, Axel!

> I'm sure you know, that you can't make the poles and the equator route
> is boring because there is too much water. I'm not keen to count
> fishes - even if there are flying <g>.

Well....I flew over the North Pole once in an F-14 at FL500. Using FS2k.
I couldn't get a decent reading on any of my instruments, but I flew over it
and past it, just to turn back and land at Anchorage.
When I tried it in the Baron (using FS2k2) I was in real trouble.
I don't see why it should be impossible to fly North-South at an even higher
altitude in something even faster.
When I get some time, maybe even this weekend, I'll try a hop in my trusty
Blackbird at FL700. And I'll do it in FS9 on my laptop.
I want to see the results.....and I'll tell you all about it. Maybe I'll
make some
screenshots of the instruments.
The key is to fly manually. When you let the AP fly, you will most certainly
crash and burn!

I do agree on the equator flight being boring, but when you're facing a
challenge
you should go all the way. And that's where, again, the Blackbird comes in.
I figure that whole trip will cost me 6-7 hours.

> It's not too easy to plan a really interesting flight just staying
> close to a great circle. The best chance to have as much land as
> possible is starting somewhere in Europe towards Auckland.

My trip isn't even a real circle, but I had to compensate.
Our planet looks really funky when you're planning a flight like this.
Originally I was going to go from Madagascar to India, but then I realized
I would upset Aussie John and Kiwi Don if I didn't check out Australia and
New Zealand on that trip. And since I could use French-Polynesia to get to
South America from there, I went that way.

Next time I'll do Alaska, Northern Europe, Russia, Asia, Hawaii, Western US,
Canada and back to Alaska. But just once I'd like to go to every country in
the
sim world in one, single trip!

Marcel

FlyingAxx

March 31st 04, 09:44 PM

Hi Marcel,
You wrote:
<...>
> Originally I was going to go from Madagascar to India, but then I realized
> I would upset Aussie John and Kiwi Don if I didn't check out Australia and
> New Zealand on that trip. And since I could use French-Polynesia to get to
> South America from there, I went that way.
OK, this I can understand :-)
>
> Next time I'll do Alaska, Northern Europe, Russia, Asia, Hawaii, Western US,
> Canada and back to Alaska. But just once I'd like to go to every country in
> the
> sim world in one, single trip!

That reads like a real challenge, wow! I think I will make that one by
using FS 2014 or so <hehe>. Then I will have the time - maybe - and
hopefully the money to buy the needed HyperLightGig100Comp...

Back to my trip: I started at Fireland, flying now along the Andes
heading north momentarily. There are very nice spots in Argentina and
Chile as well. You know, those airports being hidden in niches or
holes. The landscape is quite nice, even the standard scenery. I'm not
too interested in landing in the midst of a flat landscape having some
autogen trees and nothing else to see. I think, I'll follow the
mountains towards Alaska, throwing then the coin whether to go East or
West.
--
Regards
Axel

Marcel Kuijper

April 1st 04, 10:07 PM

"FlyingAxx" wrote:

[Marcel wrote:]
> > But just once I'd like to go to every country in the sime world in one,
> > single trip!
> That reads like a real challenge, wow! I think I will make that one by
> using FS 2014 or so <hehe>. Then I will have the time - maybe - and
> hopefully the money to buy the needed HyperLightGig100Comp...

Hi Axel!
Yeah...that's a big order alright! I like to push myself to the limit
sometimes!
But I probably won't get around to it this year. I have too much planned
already and hardly any time to fly nowadays.
So you get that supercomputer and we'll handle that group-world-flight in
about 10 years. With state-of-the-art hardware! :-))

> Back to my trip: I started at Fireland, flying now along the Andes
> heading north momentarily. There are very nice spots in Argentina and
> Chile as well. You know, those airports being hidden in niches or
> holes. The landscape is quite nice, even the standard scenery. I'm not
> too interested in landing in the midst of a flat landscape having some
> autogen trees and nothing else to see. I think, I'll follow the
> mountains towards Alaska, throwing then the coin whether to go East or
> West.

I have a question: where's Fireland?
But yes, South-America has some very beautiful scenery.
Even in FS2k2. As soon as I get my other computer, I'm going to turn it in
to a server and post all the screenshots from my worldtrip. There are some
really weird ones of Africa and Australia, and some really nice ones of
Australia, New Zealand, The Azores, FP and the Canary Islands.
FS2k2 really is a huge step up from FS2k and FS9 is even nicer!
I remember seeing baseballfields all over Greece, Vietnam and India!
Some of them on mountainsides! :-))

I know what you mean about those hidden airports.
I've seen some of them deep inside a whole! Like 1000 feet straight down!
One of them in Canada! Banff, Alberta is situated on a rock!
Tough to land a 737 there! :-))

When you make it to Alaska you have to fly East! Fly all the way across
North Canada. When you make it to New Foundland, fly NorthEast over
Greenland.You know....since you like nice scenery and all....
That's what I would do. But eventually the choice is yours.

Marcel