Humbling! And one item just plain dumb! :-(

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Well, it's not an 'award' that I particularly relish, to be sure, but
when one does dumb things, hey, you pass on the experiences when the
zeal to get going totally overrides both common sense and the HITK
[read: Head In The Keester!] syndrome. Recognizing that the RAS
newsgroup has both experienced old-hands --and-- most likely new folks
to the hobby, well, if I save the newbies some grief I'll do a form of
active penance so to speak...which is of interest in itself since I'm a
agnostic!

Anyway, to business: I already mentioned the Nvidia driver thing and
I'll repeat that this was 'not' a matter of making any technical
declaration! I don't know why it worked [tinkering with the drivers as
explained in the post] and thus I could only speak positively about the
'results' and not the 'why' of it!

So here goes...

First 'bonehead' move in terms of flight sim zeal to get going taking
precedence over common sense: For some time I was using the CH Virtual
Pilot Pro yoke with excellent results. Then comes the advent of the
newer motherboards offering support for 800MHz FSB and related updated
goodies but what's this after I put the thing together [with a now
greatly reduced in price P4 Intel 3.02 gig [w/800 FSB] CPU with
hyperthreading ], where's the 15 pin gameport 'socket' in which to
connect the yoke? Yeah...various of the updated mb's don't have them in
favor the latest thing, USB slots! So, ahhhhhh, why not go for the
equally updated CH USB yoke with the 3 levers for throttle, prop and
mixture! So I did and caught a great sale to boot and XP recognized the
yoke instantly. Box comes with a driver disk for those 'not' using
Windows XP [I use XP-Pro] and that's it....no other instructions no
doubt on the theory that one savvies the controls.

Cutting to the chase...6 take-offs, ALL aborted because of engine
failure! Hours of checking and re-checking as to what possibly could be
wrong! Are you ready? And THIS from someone who can trace his sim roots
back to FS5 for crying out loud...take a wild guess who stupidly...yes,
STUPIDLY, forgot to ADVANCE both the prop and mixture levers on the
yoke! Even in the real McCoy, it should have dawned on me immediately
that the throttle is a 'push' and the prop/mixtures are a 'pull' !
Hence, and with the prop and mixture levers 'not' being placed 'to the
wall' as they say or pushed FORWARD before flight, the plane simply died
from sim pilot error! In effect, when I advanced the throttle to take
off, the plane labored because the prop pitch was 'reversed' and the
mixture was 'lean' and so it sputtered out shortly after take-off! Dumb,
yes? Yes. :-( So, newbies, throttle lever back and the other two [prop
and mixture] fully forward! Talk about haste and zeal taking over! Whew!

And this! Periodic system shutdowns no matter where from program to
Internet to whatever! Baffling! Things checked out OK including any heat
issues with the CPU, coolers, etc. Sometimes a plane simply sitting on
the runway for perhaps 5 minutes or so [hey, when nature calls!], come
back, system restart! So I finally decided to READ all that fancy
system program data that breaks down with facts and data on literally
everything from CPU to CD to DVD to machine memory to you-name-it and
while reviewing my memory [two PC3200 3.0 CAS DDR 184 pin modules] I
read in the data area, "...does NOT support Bank 4 Interleave...]
although I had it set for 'Bank 4' in BIOS because most places you go
suggest to use that [versus Bank 2 or disabled] for 'faster response'
but the memory was 'not' [per the data] Bank 4 Interleave [whatever that
does!?] compliant and when I disabled the interleave, I've had no
problems since 'nor' any disernible loss of overall machine speed
whatsoever. As a check, I fired up FS04 and left the plane just sitting
there running for 20 minutes or so...fine...where before the machine
would have re-started within 10 minutes. Cure? I simply remained within
the specs of my memory...while awaiting, BTW, for April 14 for the
release of Kingston's 'PC3200' DDR HyperX memory which they ran a
'promo' and $50 off because 'PC3200' HyperX DDR memory , specifically,
at 'that' speed, will not be available from Kingston until April 14th
while other memory speeds have already been on the market.

And finally this...do NOT trust those clamps [metal or plastic] on the
CPU/Heat Sink thing. BE ABSOLUTELY SURE the heat sink FULLY makes
contact with the CPU and 'then' apply the normal requisite pressure to
seat the fan/heat sink and metal/plastic clamp assembly! If the
heat-sink does not sit perfectly square on the CPU, you're just begging
for heat issue troubles...and a high reading for CPU temps! If you're in
the 50's [degrees] CELSIUS range or over 115+ degrees FAHRENHEIT, check
your heat-sink seating [might be worth another dose of Arctic Silver or
whatever you use between the CPU and heat-sink] and the CPU fan RPM!
And careful with the Intel supplied plastic clamp to hold everything in
place ..they snap 'VERY' easily or usually one of the L/R retaining
levers pops out and then you get uneven pressure on the CPU [if you're
tempted to let it go figuring one lever 'looks' secure enough] and
heat-sink! Careful!

There you have it!

Doc Tony

[Greasy Rider @ invalid.com]

Some people like to see themselves "in print".
Some people shouldn't be allowed to have computers.

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Greasy wrote:
> Some people like to see themselves "in print".
> Some people shouldn't be allowed to have computers.
>

Then again, some folks are immune to errors, even dumb ones, which they
feel are for the others...you know, the great unwashed as they perceive
them. Explains too why certain of the flock who 'do' know better view
errors as 'so' elementary as to be unworthy of comment! It happens!

These types are found mostly in the blowhard and, shall we say, Ex
Cathedra category who would deign to figure it out themselves over days
if necessary rather than ask or, gasp, publicly look like the proverbial
uninitiated. Their usual claim is that their savvy comes from books and
tinkering because admitting to the helping hand is both beyond their
personality or they take the position that 'they' figured it out so let
others follow the same course. A matter of philosophy actually.

Now me, hey, if ONE passing soul gains from the info, why not!
And you? I mean other than belching and wallowing in same forthwith.
Perhaps that goes with the moniker, yes?

Doc Tony
;-)

[John Ward]

Hi Doc,

Hehe, always an adventure redaing your posts, and, BTW, great to see you
posting again! :-)

Are you sure you weren't tempted to have a crack at o/clocking your new
system just a "tad', just to see how far she'd go, and you're just not
admitting it to us all here? :-))

Regards,
John
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
> Well, it's not an 'award' that I particularly relish, to be sure, but
> when one does dumb things, hey, you pass on the experiences when the
> zeal to get going totally overrides both common sense and the HITK
> [read: Head In The Keester!] syndrome. Recognizing that the RAS
> newsgroup has both experienced old-hands --and-- most likely new folks
> to the hobby, well, if I save the newbies some grief I'll do a form of
> active penance so to speak...which is of interest in itself since I'm a
> agnostic!
>
> Anyway, to business: I already mentioned the Nvidia driver thing and
> I'll repeat that this was 'not' a matter of making any technical
> declaration! I don't know why it worked [tinkering with the drivers as
> explained in the post] and thus I could only speak positively about the
> 'results' and not the 'why' of it!
>
> So here goes...
>
> First 'bonehead' move in terms of flight sim zeal to get going taking
> precedence over common sense: For some time I was using the CH Virtual
> Pilot Pro yoke with excellent results. Then comes the advent of the
> newer motherboards offering support for 800MHz FSB and related updated
> goodies but what's this after I put the thing together [with a now
> greatly reduced in price P4 Intel 3.02 gig [w/800 FSB] CPU with
> hyperthreading ], where's the 15 pin gameport 'socket' in which to
> connect the yoke? Yeah...various of the updated mb's don't have them in
> favor the latest thing, USB slots! So, ahhhhhh, why not go for the
> equally updated CH USB yoke with the 3 levers for throttle, prop and
> mixture! So I did and caught a great sale to boot and XP recognized the
> yoke instantly. Box comes with a driver disk for those 'not' using
> Windows XP [I use XP-Pro] and that's it....no other instructions no
> doubt on the theory that one savvies the controls.
>
> Cutting to the chase...6 take-offs, ALL aborted because of engine
> failure! Hours of checking and re-checking as to what possibly could be
> wrong! Are you ready? And THIS from someone who can trace his sim roots
> back to FS5 for crying out loud...take a wild guess who stupidly...yes,
> STUPIDLY, forgot to ADVANCE both the prop and mixture levers on the
> yoke! Even in the real McCoy, it should have dawned on me immediately
> that the throttle is a 'push' and the prop/mixtures are a 'pull' !
> Hence, and with the prop and mixture levers 'not' being placed 'to the
> wall' as they say or pushed FORWARD before flight, the plane simply died
> from sim pilot error! In effect, when I advanced the throttle to take
> off, the plane labored because the prop pitch was 'reversed' and the
> mixture was 'lean' and so it sputtered out shortly after take-off! Dumb,
> yes? Yes. :-( So, newbies, throttle lever back and the other two [prop
> and mixture] fully forward! Talk about haste and zeal taking over! Whew!
>
> And this! Periodic system shutdowns no matter where from program to
> Internet to whatever! Baffling! Things checked out OK including any heat
> issues with the CPU, coolers, etc. Sometimes a plane simply sitting on
> the runway for perhaps 5 minutes or so [hey, when nature calls!], come
> back, system restart! So I finally decided to READ all that fancy
> system program data that breaks down with facts and data on literally
> everything from CPU to CD to DVD to machine memory to you-name-it and
> while reviewing my memory [two PC3200 3.0 CAS DDR 184 pin modules] I
> read in the data area, "...does NOT support Bank 4 Interleave...]
> although I had it set for 'Bank 4' in BIOS because most places you go
> suggest to use that [versus Bank 2 or disabled] for 'faster response'
> but the memory was 'not' [per the data] Bank 4 Interleave [whatever that
> does!?] compliant and when I disabled the interleave, I've had no
> problems since 'nor' any disernible loss of overall machine speed
> whatsoever. As a check, I fired up FS04 and left the plane just sitting
> there running for 20 minutes or so...fine...where before the machine
> would have re-started within 10 minutes. Cure? I simply remained within
> the specs of my memory...while awaiting, BTW, for April 14 for the
> release of Kingston's 'PC3200' DDR HyperX memory which they ran a
> 'promo' and $50 off because 'PC3200' HyperX DDR memory , specifically,
> at 'that' speed, will not be available from Kingston until April 14th
> while other memory speeds have already been on the market.
>
> And finally this...do NOT trust those clamps [metal or plastic] on the
> CPU/Heat Sink thing. BE ABSOLUTELY SURE the heat sink FULLY makes
> contact with the CPU and 'then' apply the normal requisite pressure to
> seat the fan/heat sink and metal/plastic clamp assembly! If the
> heat-sink does not sit perfectly square on the CPU, you're just begging
> for heat issue troubles...and a high reading for CPU temps! If you're in
> the 50's [degrees] CELSIUS range or over 115+ degrees FAHRENHEIT, check
> your heat-sink seating [might be worth another dose of Arctic Silver or
> whatever you use between the CPU and heat-sink] and the CPU fan RPM!
> And careful with the Intel supplied plastic clamp to hold everything in
> place ..they snap 'VERY' easily or usually one of the L/R retaining
> levers pops out and then you get uneven pressure on the CPU [if you're
> tempted to let it go figuring one lever 'looks' secure enough] and
> heat-sink! Careful!
>
> There you have it!
>
> Doc Tony
>

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

John Ward wrote:
> Hi Doc,
>
> Hehe, always an adventure redaing your posts, and, BTW, great to see you
> posting again! :-)
>
> Are you sure you weren't tempted to have a crack at o/clocking your new
> system just a "tad', just to see how far she'd go, and you're just not
> admitting it to us all here? :-))
>
> Regards,
> John


Hello John! You know, the thing 'was' dumb because like yourself and a
few others here in RAS, we've flown the real thing and here I was
soooooo anxious to get going, I simply didn't stop for the millisecond
it would take to apply the real McCoy itself to the 3 lever yoke! Dumb
and so admitted! Then I figured, like ALL of us once were, hey, newbies
to the hobby ad perhaps they'll be going nuts trying to figure out
what's the 'problem' with the new USB yoke when often it's just a matter
of zeal versus prudence.

Hey, WHO among us hasn't been 'under the hood', machine or sims, and
when the machine didn't work, we stare at it, claim that that there is
no earthly reason why I shouldn't be humming along ...only to find out
we forgot a simple power connection in a maze of drives ...or whatever
setting in the sim. Hey, even ol' Dean B. admitted to forgetting the AP
was still engaged...as MOST of us have on occasion! I won't even mention
wheels-up landings! It happens! Ditto with the Intel clamp...2 of which
cracked in my hand until I moved to the metal CPU/heat-sink hinges. And
so it goes.

Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You know
my luck with those egg beaters...to
wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH!

Doc Tony
;-)




> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Well, it's not an 'award' that I particularly relish, to be sure, but
>>when one does dumb things, hey, you pass on the experiences when the
>>zeal to get going totally overrides both common sense and the HITK
>>[read: Head In The Keester!] syndrome. Recognizing that the RAS
>>newsgroup has both experienced old-hands --and-- most likely new folks
>>to the hobby, well, if I save the newbies some grief I'll do a form of
>>active penance so to speak...which is of interest in itself since I'm a
>>agnostic!
>>
>>Anyway, to business: I already mentioned the Nvidia driver thing and
>>I'll repeat that this was 'not' a matter of making any technical
>>declaration! I don't know why it worked [tinkering with the drivers as
>>explained in the post] and thus I could only speak positively about the
>>'results' and not the 'why' of it!
>>
>>So here goes...
>>
>>First 'bonehead' move in terms of flight sim zeal to get going taking
>>precedence over common sense: For some time I was using the CH Virtual
>>Pilot Pro yoke with excellent results. Then comes the advent of the
>>newer motherboards offering support for 800MHz FSB and related updated
>>goodies but what's this after I put the thing together [with a now
>>greatly reduced in price P4 Intel 3.02 gig [w/800 FSB] CPU with
>>hyperthreading ], where's the 15 pin gameport 'socket' in which to
>>connect the yoke? Yeah...various of the updated mb's don't have them in
>>favor the latest thing, USB slots! So, ahhhhhh, why not go for the
>>equally updated CH USB yoke with the 3 levers for throttle, prop and
>>mixture! So I did and caught a great sale to boot and XP recognized the
>>yoke instantly. Box comes with a driver disk for those 'not' using
>>Windows XP [I use XP-Pro] and that's it....no other instructions no
>>doubt on the theory that one savvies the controls.
>>
>>Cutting to the chase...6 take-offs, ALL aborted because of engine
>>failure! Hours of checking and re-checking as to what possibly could be
>>wrong! Are you ready? And THIS from someone who can trace his sim roots
>>back to FS5 for crying out loud...take a wild guess who stupidly...yes,
>>STUPIDLY, forgot to ADVANCE both the prop and mixture levers on the
>>yoke! Even in the real McCoy, it should have dawned on me immediately
>>that the throttle is a 'push' and the prop/mixtures are a 'pull' !
>>Hence, and with the prop and mixture levers 'not' being placed 'to the
>>wall' as they say or pushed FORWARD before flight, the plane simply died
>>from sim pilot error! In effect, when I advanced the throttle to take
>>off, the plane labored because the prop pitch was 'reversed' and the
>>mixture was 'lean' and so it sputtered out shortly after take-off! Dumb,
>>yes? Yes. :-( So, newbies, throttle lever back and the other two [prop
>>and mixture] fully forward! Talk about haste and zeal taking over! Whew!
>>
>>And this! Periodic system shutdowns no matter where from program to
>>Internet to whatever! Baffling! Things checked out OK including any heat
>>issues with the CPU, coolers, etc. Sometimes a plane simply sitting on
>>the runway for perhaps 5 minutes or so [hey, when nature calls!], come
>>back, system restart! So I finally decided to READ all that fancy
>>system program data that breaks down with facts and data on literally
>>everything from CPU to CD to DVD to machine memory to you-name-it and
>>while reviewing my memory [two PC3200 3.0 CAS DDR 184 pin modules] I
>>read in the data area, "...does NOT support Bank 4 Interleave...]
>>although I had it set for 'Bank 4' in BIOS because most places you go
>>suggest to use that [versus Bank 2 or disabled] for 'faster response'
>>but the memory was 'not' [per the data] Bank 4 Interleave [whatever that
>>does!?] compliant and when I disabled the interleave, I've had no
>>problems since 'nor' any disernible loss of overall machine speed
>>whatsoever. As a check, I fired up FS04 and left the plane just sitting
>>there running for 20 minutes or so...fine...where before the machine
>>would have re-started within 10 minutes. Cure? I simply remained within
>>the specs of my memory...while awaiting, BTW, for April 14 for the
>>release of Kingston's 'PC3200' DDR HyperX memory which they ran a
>>'promo' and $50 off because 'PC3200' HyperX DDR memory , specifically,
>>at 'that' speed, will not be available from Kingston until April 14th
>>while other memory speeds have already been on the market.
>>
>>And finally this...do NOT trust those clamps [metal or plastic] on the
>>CPU/Heat Sink thing. BE ABSOLUTELY SURE the heat sink FULLY makes
>>contact with the CPU and 'then' apply the normal requisite pressure to
>>seat the fan/heat sink and metal/plastic clamp assembly! If the
>>heat-sink does not sit perfectly square on the CPU, you're just begging
>>for heat issue troubles...and a high reading for CPU temps! If you're in
>>the 50's [degrees] CELSIUS range or over 115+ degrees FAHRENHEIT, check
>>your heat-sink seating [might be worth another dose of Arctic Silver or
>>whatever you use between the CPU and heat-sink] and the CPU fan RPM!
>>And careful with the Intel supplied plastic clamp to hold everything in
>>place ..they snap 'VERY' easily or usually one of the L/R retaining
>>levers pops out and then you get uneven pressure on the CPU [if you're
>>tempted to let it go figuring one lever 'looks' secure enough] and
>>heat-sink! Careful!
>>
>>There you have it!
>>
>>Doc Tony
>>
>
>
>

[John Ward]

Hi Doc,

Good points, and well made.

No he hasn't, for a while now.

Regards,
John
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> John Ward wrote:
> > Hi Doc,
> >
> > Hehe, always an adventure redaing your posts, and, BTW, great to see
you
> > posting again! :-)
> >
> > Are you sure you weren't tempted to have a crack at o/clocking your
new
> > system just a "tad', just to see how far she'd go, and you're just not
> > admitting it to us all here? :-))
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
>
>
> Hello John! You know, the thing 'was' dumb because like yourself and a
> few others here in RAS, we've flown the real thing and here I was
> soooooo anxious to get going, I simply didn't stop for the millisecond
> it would take to apply the real McCoy itself to the 3 lever yoke! Dumb
> and so admitted! Then I figured, like ALL of us once were, hey, newbies
> to the hobby ad perhaps they'll be going nuts trying to figure out
> what's the 'problem' with the new USB yoke when often it's just a matter
> of zeal versus prudence.
>
> Hey, WHO among us hasn't been 'under the hood', machine or sims, and
> when the machine didn't work, we stare at it, claim that that there is
> no earthly reason why I shouldn't be humming along ...only to find out
> we forgot a simple power connection in a maze of drives ...or whatever
> setting in the sim. Hey, even ol' Dean B. admitted to forgetting the AP
> was still engaged...as MOST of us have on occasion! I won't even mention
> wheels-up landings! It happens! Ditto with the Intel clamp...2 of which
> cracked in my hand until I moved to the metal CPU/heat-sink hinges. And
> so it goes.
>
> Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You know
> my luck with those egg beaters...to
> wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH!
>
> Doc Tony
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> > "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Well, it's not an 'award' that I particularly relish, to be sure, but
> >>when one does dumb things, hey, you pass on the experiences when the
> >>zeal to get going totally overrides both common sense and the HITK
> >>[read: Head In The Keester!] syndrome. Recognizing that the RAS
> >>newsgroup has both experienced old-hands --and-- most likely new folks
> >>to the hobby, well, if I save the newbies some grief I'll do a form of
> >>active penance so to speak...which is of interest in itself since I'm a
> >>agnostic!
> >>
> >>Anyway, to business: I already mentioned the Nvidia driver thing and
> >>I'll repeat that this was 'not' a matter of making any technical
> >>declaration! I don't know why it worked [tinkering with the drivers as
> >>explained in the post] and thus I could only speak positively about the
> >>'results' and not the 'why' of it!
> >>
> >>So here goes...
> >>
> >>First 'bonehead' move in terms of flight sim zeal to get going taking
> >>precedence over common sense: For some time I was using the CH Virtual
> >>Pilot Pro yoke with excellent results. Then comes the advent of the
> >>newer motherboards offering support for 800MHz FSB and related updated
> >>goodies but what's this after I put the thing together [with a now
> >>greatly reduced in price P4 Intel 3.02 gig [w/800 FSB] CPU with
> >>hyperthreading ], where's the 15 pin gameport 'socket' in which to
> >>connect the yoke? Yeah...various of the updated mb's don't have them in
> >>favor the latest thing, USB slots! So, ahhhhhh, why not go for the
> >>equally updated CH USB yoke with the 3 levers for throttle, prop and
> >>mixture! So I did and caught a great sale to boot and XP recognized the
> >>yoke instantly. Box comes with a driver disk for those 'not' using
> >>Windows XP [I use XP-Pro] and that's it....no other instructions no
> >>doubt on the theory that one savvies the controls.
> >>
> >>Cutting to the chase...6 take-offs, ALL aborted because of engine
> >>failure! Hours of checking and re-checking as to what possibly could be
> >>wrong! Are you ready? And THIS from someone who can trace his sim roots
> >>back to FS5 for crying out loud...take a wild guess who stupidly...yes,
> >>STUPIDLY, forgot to ADVANCE both the prop and mixture levers on the
> >>yoke! Even in the real McCoy, it should have dawned on me immediately
> >>that the throttle is a 'push' and the prop/mixtures are a 'pull' !
> >>Hence, and with the prop and mixture levers 'not' being placed 'to the
> >>wall' as they say or pushed FORWARD before flight, the plane simply died
> >>from sim pilot error! In effect, when I advanced the throttle to take
> >>off, the plane labored because the prop pitch was 'reversed' and the
> >>mixture was 'lean' and so it sputtered out shortly after take-off! Dumb,
> >>yes? Yes. :-( So, newbies, throttle lever back and the other two [prop
> >>and mixture] fully forward! Talk about haste and zeal taking over! Whew!
> >>
> >>And this! Periodic system shutdowns no matter where from program to
> >>Internet to whatever! Baffling! Things checked out OK including any heat
> >>issues with the CPU, coolers, etc. Sometimes a plane simply sitting on
> >>the runway for perhaps 5 minutes or so [hey, when nature calls!], come
> >>back, system restart! So I finally decided to READ all that fancy
> >>system program data that breaks down with facts and data on literally
> >>everything from CPU to CD to DVD to machine memory to you-name-it and
> >>while reviewing my memory [two PC3200 3.0 CAS DDR 184 pin modules] I
> >>read in the data area, "...does NOT support Bank 4 Interleave...]
> >>although I had it set for 'Bank 4' in BIOS because most places you go
> >>suggest to use that [versus Bank 2 or disabled] for 'faster response'
> >>but the memory was 'not' [per the data] Bank 4 Interleave [whatever that
> >>does!?] compliant and when I disabled the interleave, I've had no
> >>problems since 'nor' any disernible loss of overall machine speed
> >>whatsoever. As a check, I fired up FS04 and left the plane just sitting
> >>there running for 20 minutes or so...fine...where before the machine
> >>would have re-started within 10 minutes. Cure? I simply remained within
> >>the specs of my memory...while awaiting, BTW, for April 14 for the
> >>release of Kingston's 'PC3200' DDR HyperX memory which they ran a
> >>'promo' and $50 off because 'PC3200' HyperX DDR memory , specifically,
> >>at 'that' speed, will not be available from Kingston until April 14th
> >>while other memory speeds have already been on the market.
> >>
> >>And finally this...do NOT trust those clamps [metal or plastic] on the
> >>CPU/Heat Sink thing. BE ABSOLUTELY SURE the heat sink FULLY makes
> >>contact with the CPU and 'then' apply the normal requisite pressure to
> >>seat the fan/heat sink and metal/plastic clamp assembly! If the
> >>heat-sink does not sit perfectly square on the CPU, you're just begging
> >>for heat issue troubles...and a high reading for CPU temps! If you're in
> >>the 50's [degrees] CELSIUS range or over 115+ degrees FAHRENHEIT, check
> >>your heat-sink seating [might be worth another dose of Arctic Silver or
> >>whatever you use between the CPU and heat-sink] and the CPU fan RPM!
> >>And careful with the Intel supplied plastic clamp to hold everything in
> >>place ..they snap 'VERY' easily or usually one of the L/R retaining
> >>levers pops out and then you get uneven pressure on the CPU [if you're
> >>tempted to let it go figuring one lever 'looks' secure enough] and
> >>heat-sink! Careful!
> >>
> >>There you have it!
> >>
> >>Doc Tony
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

John Ward wrote:
> Hi Doc,
>
> Good points, and well made.
>
> No he hasn't, for a while now.
>


Ahhhh, he'll show up! John...the cat on the monitor, still doing
'co-pilot' service? ;-)

As for machine ventures to strive for that great problem-free flight, I
'briefly' tried tinkering not with O/C stuff [the 3.2 w/800 MHz FSB is
fast enough] but with SATA drives and a RAID array. John, trying my hand
at Egyptian hieroglyphics would quite possibly be easier than trying to
figuring out how to get SATA drives perking + a RAID array! I think they
write those SATA drive and RAID tech pieces for folks with the
proverbial MIT credential! I gave up [for now anyway...] and returned
forthwith to my IDE UDMA 133 drives!

Doc Tony
;-)


> Regards,
> John
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>John Ward wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Doc,
>>>
>>> Hehe, always an adventure redaing your posts, and, BTW, great to see
>>
> you
>
>>>posting again! :-)
>>>
>>> Are you sure you weren't tempted to have a crack at o/clocking your
>>
> new
>
>>>system just a "tad', just to see how far she'd go, and you're just not
>>>admitting it to us all here? :-))
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>John
>>
>>
>>Hello John! You know, the thing 'was' dumb because like yourself and a
>>few others here in RAS, we've flown the real thing and here I was
>>soooooo anxious to get going, I simply didn't stop for the millisecond
>>it would take to apply the real McCoy itself to the 3 lever yoke! Dumb
>>and so admitted! Then I figured, like ALL of us once were, hey, newbies
>>to the hobby ad perhaps they'll be going nuts trying to figure out
>>what's the 'problem' with the new USB yoke when often it's just a matter
>>of zeal versus prudence.
>>
>>Hey, WHO among us hasn't been 'under the hood', machine or sims, and
>>when the machine didn't work, we stare at it, claim that that there is
>>no earthly reason why I shouldn't be humming along ...only to find out
>>we forgot a simple power connection in a maze of drives ...or whatever
>>setting in the sim. Hey, even ol' Dean B. admitted to forgetting the AP
>>was still engaged...as MOST of us have on occasion! I won't even mention
>>wheels-up landings! It happens! Ditto with the Intel clamp...2 of which
>>cracked in my hand until I moved to the metal CPU/heat-sink hinges. And
>>so it goes.
>>
>>Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You know
>>my luck with those egg beaters...to
>>wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH!
>>
>>Doc Tony
>>;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, it's not an 'award' that I particularly relish, to be sure, but
>>>>when one does dumb things, hey, you pass on the experiences when the
>>>>zeal to get going totally overrides both common sense and the HITK
>>>>[read: Head In The Keester!] syndrome. Recognizing that the RAS
>>>>newsgroup has both experienced old-hands --and-- most likely new folks
>>>>to the hobby, well, if I save the newbies some grief I'll do a form of
>>>>active penance so to speak...which is of interest in itself since I'm a
>>>>agnostic!
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, to business: I already mentioned the Nvidia driver thing and
>>>>I'll repeat that this was 'not' a matter of making any technical
>>>>declaration! I don't know why it worked [tinkering with the drivers as
>>>>explained in the post] and thus I could only speak positively about the
>>>>'results' and not the 'why' of it!
>>>>
>>>>So here goes...
>>>>
>>>>First 'bonehead' move in terms of flight sim zeal to get going taking
>>>>precedence over common sense: For some time I was using the CH Virtual
>>>>Pilot Pro yoke with excellent results. Then comes the advent of the
>>>>newer motherboards offering support for 800MHz FSB and related updated
>>>>goodies but what's this after I put the thing together [with a now
>>>>greatly reduced in price P4 Intel 3.02 gig [w/800 FSB] CPU with
>>>>hyperthreading ], where's the 15 pin gameport 'socket' in which to
>>>>connect the yoke? Yeah...various of the updated mb's don't have them in
>>>>favor the latest thing, USB slots! So, ahhhhhh, why not go for the
>>>>equally updated CH USB yoke with the 3 levers for throttle, prop and
>>>>mixture! So I did and caught a great sale to boot and XP recognized the
>>>>yoke instantly. Box comes with a driver disk for those 'not' using
>>>>Windows XP [I use XP-Pro] and that's it....no other instructions no
>>>>doubt on the theory that one savvies the controls.
>>>>
>>>>Cutting to the chase...6 take-offs, ALL aborted because of engine
>>>>failure! Hours of checking and re-checking as to what possibly could be
>>>>wrong! Are you ready? And THIS from someone who can trace his sim roots
>>>>back to FS5 for crying out loud...take a wild guess who stupidly...yes,
>>>>STUPIDLY, forgot to ADVANCE both the prop and mixture levers on the
>>>>yoke! Even in the real McCoy, it should have dawned on me immediately
>>>>that the throttle is a 'push' and the prop/mixtures are a 'pull' !
>>>>Hence, and with the prop and mixture levers 'not' being placed 'to the
>>>>wall' as they say or pushed FORWARD before flight, the plane simply died
>>>
>>>>from sim pilot error! In effect, when I advanced the throttle to take
>>>
>>>>off, the plane labored because the prop pitch was 'reversed' and the
>>>>mixture was 'lean' and so it sputtered out shortly after take-off! Dumb,
>>>>yes? Yes. :-( So, newbies, throttle lever back and the other two [prop
>>>>and mixture] fully forward! Talk about haste and zeal taking over! Whew!
>>>>
>>>>And this! Periodic system shutdowns no matter where from program to
>>>>Internet to whatever! Baffling! Things checked out OK including any heat
>>>>issues with the CPU, coolers, etc. Sometimes a plane simply sitting on
>>>>the runway for perhaps 5 minutes or so [hey, when nature calls!], come
>>>>back, system restart! So I finally decided to READ all that fancy
>>>>system program data that breaks down with facts and data on literally
>>>>everything from CPU to CD to DVD to machine memory to you-name-it and
>>>>while reviewing my memory [two PC3200 3.0 CAS DDR 184 pin modules] I
>>>>read in the data area, "...does NOT support Bank 4 Interleave...]
>>>>although I had it set for 'Bank 4' in BIOS because most places you go
>>>>suggest to use that [versus Bank 2 or disabled] for 'faster response'
>>>>but the memory was 'not' [per the data] Bank 4 Interleave [whatever that
>>>>does!?] compliant and when I disabled the interleave, I've had no
>>>>problems since 'nor' any disernible loss of overall machine speed
>>>>whatsoever. As a check, I fired up FS04 and left the plane just sitting
>>>>there running for 20 minutes or so...fine...where before the machine
>>>>would have re-started within 10 minutes. Cure? I simply remained within
>>>>the specs of my memory...while awaiting, BTW, for April 14 for the
>>>>release of Kingston's 'PC3200' DDR HyperX memory which they ran a
>>>>'promo' and $50 off because 'PC3200' HyperX DDR memory , specifically,
>>>>at 'that' speed, will not be available from Kingston until April 14th
>>>>while other memory speeds have already been on the market.
>>>>
>>>>And finally this...do NOT trust those clamps [metal or plastic] on the
>>>>CPU/Heat Sink thing. BE ABSOLUTELY SURE the heat sink FULLY makes
>>>>contact with the CPU and 'then' apply the normal requisite pressure to
>>>>seat the fan/heat sink and metal/plastic clamp assembly! If the
>>>>heat-sink does not sit perfectly square on the CPU, you're just begging
>>>>for heat issue troubles...and a high reading for CPU temps! If you're in
>>>>the 50's [degrees] CELSIUS range or over 115+ degrees FAHRENHEIT, check
>>>>your heat-sink seating [might be worth another dose of Arctic Silver or
>>>>whatever you use between the CPU and heat-sink] and the CPU fan RPM!
>>>>And careful with the Intel supplied plastic clamp to hold everything in
>>>>place ..they snap 'VERY' easily or usually one of the L/R retaining
>>>>levers pops out and then you get uneven pressure on the CPU [if you're
>>>>tempted to let it go figuring one lever 'looks' secure enough] and
>>>>heat-sink! Careful!
>>>>
>>>>There you have it!
>>>>
>>>>Doc Tony
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

[Don Parker]

Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo wrote:
> Greasy wrote:
>nothing worth repeating.
>>
>
>> Perhaps that goes with the moniker, yes?

Parry & touche' monsieur Pussacat!!

Score at the end of the half:
Doc Tony 1
Greasy 0

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don

[Don Parker]

Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo wrote:
> John Ward wrote:
>> Hi Doc,
>>
>> Good points, and well made.
>>
>> No he hasn't, for a while now.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhh, he'll show up! John...the cat on the monitor, still doing
> 'co-pilot' service? ;-)

Oh gawd - there's more than one?? (:->))

> I think they write those SATA drive and RAID tech pieces for folks
> with the proverbial MIT credential! I gave up [for now anyway...] and
> returned forthwith to my IDE UDMA 133 drives!
>
Rumor has it the spec's or expect's for the SATA's are as trustworthy as if
uttered by Geo. W. himself!
In other words, if it sounds good, say it, you lie, I'll swear to
it...................

Cheers'n Beers Doc.. [_])
Don

[boB]

Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo wrote:
>
>
> Greasy wrote:
>
>> Some people like to see themselves "in print".
>> Some people shouldn't be allowed to have computers.
>>
>
> Then again, some folks are immune to errors, even dumb ones, which they
> feel are for the others...you know, the great unwashed as they perceive
> them. Explains too why certain of the flock who 'do' know better view
> errors as 'so' elementary as to be unworthy of comment! It happens!
<SNIP>


He had no idea what you just said. :)
--

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Don Parker wrote:
> Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo wrote:
>
>>John Ward wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Doc,
>>>
>>> Good points, and well made.
>>>
>>> No he hasn't, for a while now.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Ahhhh, he'll show up! John...the cat on the monitor, still doing
>>'co-pilot' service? ;-)
>
>
> Oh gawd - there's more than one?? (:->))
>
>
>>I think they write those SATA drive and RAID tech pieces for folks
>>with the proverbial MIT credential! I gave up [for now anyway...] and
>>returned forthwith to my IDE UDMA 133 drives!
>>
>
> Rumor has it the spec's or expect's for the SATA's are as trustworthy as if
> uttered by Geo. W. himself!
> In other words, if it sounds good, say it, you lie, I'll swear to
> it...................
>
> Cheers'n Beers Doc.. [_])
> Don
>
>


Hey! RAS 'old-hands' now showing up! ;-) Hello Don...I think I might
have confused John with 'your' cat...that pic of the cat [pre-diet] on
the monitor might have been yours! Confirm ....if you please...

As for 'Greasy', well, I was first reminded, my retort wise, of the
words of 'Calvera' [Eli Wallach] in the classic 'Mag 7' flick...you
know..."Generosity! That was my first mistake! I leave these people
something extra and they hire these men to make trouble for me...me, a
man who wants no trouble!"

[suddenly...vexed and quizzical albeit from the same classic flick!]

Greasy [doing 'Calvera' ...] "What I don't understand is why a man like
you took the job [*passing out newbie material] in the first
place...c'mon why?"

Doc Tony: [doing 'Vic' ... Steve McQueen] "Well, Greasey-man, it's like
a fella' I once knew in El Paso...one day he just took off all his
clothes and jumped in a mess of cactus...I asked him the same
question...WHY?!"

Greasy: [still whizzed off!] "Annnnnnd?"

Doc Tony: [merely following script...]"He said it seemed like a good
idea at the time!"

;-) [*great flick, that!]

Anyway, that out of the way, back to SATA [*Serial ATA] drives and RAID.
The new motherboard I got [Soyo SY-P4VTP w/800FSB] also has two on-board
SATA connectors in addition to the normal UDMA 133 PCI/IDE pins but when
I hooked up the two SATA drives and had the BIOS open to the Win XP 'CD'
as the first drive to then hopefully get an O/S on one of the SATA
drives, the thing kept closing down with a message that the CD
containing the XP O/S "...could not find any IDE drives" and so it shut
down forthwith! So HOW does one get an O/S on a SATA drive. I got a
great deal on that WD740 'Raptor' '10K' RPM 74 gig SATA and it now sits
here because I can't get the thing to load an O/S! Translation: Dunno
how! IDE stuff, I decently savvy after many years 'under the hood' and
tinkering since the days of the now ancient X286 stuff but today's SATA
drives and RAID array fiddlings ...whew! :-(

And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you
already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and
unfortunately they proceed from that premise! Result...at least for
me...lost rather quickly! Ahhhh...hopefully comes a friendly email with
some needed SATA/RAID O/S hook-up advice [hint!]. Must say though that
for all the sims, the IDE drives have done great service over the years
but I'm hearing that SATA drives will be the 'wave of the future' and
that '150' SATA transfer rate over the present max 133 UDMA drives is
just the SATA tip of the iceberg...so they say anyway.

Doc Tony
;-)


[from afar...]

John Ward [-VERY serious-like...] "Can you fly this plane and land it?"

Remember that one, Don, and who was in RAS that had some 10 'cooler'
fans in their system! Talk about the flick 'AIRPLANE' indeed! Count 'em,
10 mini props so to speak! CPU, PS and video card 'not' included in the
tally mind you! ;-)

[Peter Duniho]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
> [...]
> And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you
> already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and
> unfortunately they proceed from that premise!

As do the motherboard manufacturers. :(

Having run into a similar problem a year ago, when I put together my first
SATA-equipped PC, maybe my experience will be helpful. On the motherboard,
which did NOT have any SCSI controller, the BIOS settings still referred to
a SCSI controller. Turns out, anywhere it said "SCSI", it actually means
SATA.

So, you may have to enable your "SCSI" controller somewhere, probably in the
XP setup. When XP asks if you have any additional drivers to install, tell
it you do, and then you should have drivers that came with the motherboard
on a CD you can put in when XP asks you to. Alternatively, there may be
something in your BIOS settings to enable the SATA controller and make it
appear as an IDE controller to Windows (since it is basically just a
different kind of IDE controller).

Same thing for booting...you may have to tell the BIOS to boot from the
"SCSI" controller to get it to boot from the SATA drive.

As the motherboard manufacturers update their BIOS, this stuff should be
easier. For now, we're definitely in that "transition" phase. Getting
things to work will take equal measures of plain old fiddling around and
trying to figure out what shortcuts the hardware manufacturers have taken to
get SATA enabled and working.

Pete

[Al Denelsbeck]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
:

<snipped, sacrilege I know>

> Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You
> know my luck with those egg beaters...to
> wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH!
>
> Doc Tony
> ;-)


Al "B" I'm not familiar with, but if I see him I'll send him your way
;-)

Meanwhile, the other Al has pretty much left simming behind, or been
left behind by it since he refuses to play Microsoft's Upgrade Roulette -
which new version of MS software will no longer run on your old machine?
"All of them!"

I think he lurks here from time to time, just checking it out, but
finds a lot of discussion is now on hardware. Now, Doc's posts have always
been that way, but at the same time he has a tremendous amount of fun with
his posts too, so he's forgiven handily.

But yes, certain names not seen in a long time can probably bring
that other Al out of the woodwork. Probably won't have much to contribute,
and in fact only recently fired up the sim again for some practice (yes,
indeed, in those unstable eggbeaters). But he still has a fine enough touch
for flying through hangars in an Aero L-39 Albatross, too...

;-)


- Al.

--
To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Al Denelsbeck wrote:
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
> :
>
> <snipped, sacrilege I know>
>
>
>>Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You
>>know my luck with those egg beaters...to
>>wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH!
>>
>>Doc Tony
>>;-)
>
>
>
> Al "B" I'm not familiar with, but if I see him I'll send him your way
> ;-)
>
> Meanwhile, the other Al has pretty much left simming behind, or been
> left behind by it since he refuses to play Microsoft's Upgrade Roulette -
> which new version of MS software will no longer run on your old machine?
> "All of them!"
>
> I think he lurks here from time to time, just checking it out, but
> finds a lot of discussion is now on hardware. Now, Doc's posts have always
> been that way, but at the same time he has a tremendous amount of fun with
> his posts too, so he's forgiven handily.
>
> But yes, certain names not seen in a long time can probably bring
> that other Al out of the woodwork. Probably won't have much to contribute,
> and in fact only recently fired up the sim again for some practice (yes,
> indeed, in those unstable eggbeaters). But he still has a fine enough touch
> for flying through hangars in an Aero L-39 Albatross, too...
>
> ;-)
>
>
> - Al.



>


Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!

[suddenly!]

Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc Tony
character savvy Latin I wanna' know!"

Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr. G,
.... merely lost!"

;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well
working neurons] and his known sense of humor!]

Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments [and
various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back when
my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many real
McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho [who
I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight sims and
their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden Voice!
'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al B...dunno...could be
another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang!

Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you
designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both sim
and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that
taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6 turnin'
and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in both pilot
and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr. Bill made with
the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De Profundis' ! [*'Out of the
depths' ].

More later.

Doc Tony
;-)

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>[...]
>>And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you
>>already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and
>>unfortunately they proceed from that premise!
>
>
> As do the motherboard manufacturers. :(
>
> Having run into a similar problem a year ago, when I put together my first
> SATA-equipped PC, maybe my experience will be helpful. On the motherboard,
> which did NOT have any SCSI controller, the BIOS settings still referred to
> a SCSI controller. Turns out, anywhere it said "SCSI", it actually means
> SATA.
>
> So, you may have to enable your "SCSI" controller somewhere, probably in the
> XP setup. When XP asks if you have any additional drivers to install, tell
> it you do, and then you should have drivers that came with the motherboard
> on a CD you can put in when XP asks you to. Alternatively, there may be
> something in your BIOS settings to enable the SATA controller and make it
> appear as an IDE controller to Windows (since it is basically just a
> different kind of IDE controller).
>
> Same thing for booting...you may have to tell the BIOS to boot from the
> "SCSI" controller to get it to boot from the SATA drive.
>
> As the motherboard manufacturers update their BIOS, this stuff should be
> easier. For now, we're definitely in that "transition" phase. Getting
> things to work will take equal measures of plain old fiddling around and
> trying to figure out what shortcuts the hardware manufacturers have taken to
> get SATA enabled and working.
>
> Pete
>
>


Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works!
Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a
necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise
Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this
program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you,
Pete, this is all new to me so I'm sort of dabbling as I go but your
input was gold because the SCSI piece in fact got the machine to at
least recognize the drive! Much appreciated.

Agree about the motherboard thing. I enjoy like many others [not to
mention the economic advantages] of putting together their own machine
and have been tinkering for years although I make no claim whatsoever to
even coming close to a savvy tech but , like the sim hobby, there are
always folks willing to help and assist with their talent and tech savvy
.. Generally it's a fun deal tinkering 'under the hood' with the machine
but then they have to change things via 'progress' and so IDE appears to
be going the way of the 10 cent cup of java as SATA drives are the now
thing with more and more mb's having the slots just as, relating to the
sim hobby, the absence in the newer mb's of the gameport and so USB is
the thing...hence my movement into CH's USB yoke. Sidebar: Comes an
email...hey Doc...what do you mean prop and mixture foward!..I tried
that "on a jet" [sic!] and the thing just turned to the left! Ahhhh! And
here I thought I made it clear that the prop and mix 'forward' ONLY
applies to the prop planes and obviously 'not' the jets! Perhaps
'Calvera' was right! ;-)

Keep in touch, Pete. More than once in the RAP group, I used your VOR
comments on the C-152/172 and some of the mystery was broken! Thank
the stars for real-thing portable Garmin GPS backup!

Doc Tony

[Peter Duniho]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works!
> Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a
> necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise
> Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this
> program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you,

You're welcome. :)

Your SATA is the same as your RAID controller. But that doesn't necessarily
mean you have to create a RAID array to get things working. It just means
you need to install the appropriate drivers for that controller so that
Windows can talk to it. It will work fine as a plain-vanilla disk
controller too.

In my own case, I didn't take the direct route, so I'm not really certain
what the direct route looks like. :) I had all the same problems you're
having now, and so wound up installing Windows onto the drive with the drive
attached to the IDE controller, rather than the SATA controller. (This was
before SATA drives were commonly available, and so the drives are actually
regular old-fashioned parallel ATA drives, with an extra adapter attached to
convert to SATA; a little kludgy, but it did allow me to move the drives
from one controller to the other as I worked things out).

It's almost certain that -- going along my indirect route -- I didn't have
to install the Windows drivers for the controller until after I had gotten
Windows itself installed and booting, working on the old IDE controller. So
in some respects, even though I had many iterations of "unplug the drive,
swap the cable, plug it back in", I did simplify the drive installation
aspect. Of course, with drives that are actually SATA-only, this isn't an
option. But if you have both connectors on the drives, it would be. Just
do all the setup (including installing the drivers for the SATA controller)
with the drives attached to the old IDE controller. Then move everything
over when you're done.

By the way, "VIA RAID" makes it sound to me like you've got a SATA/RAID
controller that uses a chipset manufacturered by the VIA company. They are
well-known for their various motherboard components, so this isn't really a
news flash or anything I guess. Just something to keep in mind when you're
doing the CD shuffle, looking for the one with the controller drivers.

Good luck!

Pete

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works!
>>Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a
>>necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise
>>Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this
>>program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you,
>
>
> You're welcome. :)
>
> Your SATA is the same as your RAID controller. But that doesn't necessarily
> mean you have to create a RAID array to get things working. It just means
> you need to install the appropriate drivers for that controller so that
> Windows can talk to it. It will work fine as a plain-vanilla disk
> controller too.
>
> In my own case, I didn't take the direct route, so I'm not really certain
> what the direct route looks like. :) I had all the same problems you're
> having now, and so wound up installing Windows onto the drive with the drive
> attached to the IDE controller, rather than the SATA controller. (This was
> before SATA drives were commonly available, and so the drives are actually
> regular old-fashioned parallel ATA drives, with an extra adapter attached to
> convert to SATA; a little kludgy, but it did allow me to move the drives
> from one controller to the other as I worked things out).
>
> It's almost certain that -- going along my indirect route -- I didn't have
> to install the Windows drivers for the controller until after I had gotten
> Windows itself installed and booting, working on the old IDE controller. So
> in some respects, even though I had many iterations of "unplug the drive,
> swap the cable, plug it back in", I did simplify the drive installation
> aspect. Of course, with drives that are actually SATA-only, this isn't an
> option. But if you have both connectors on the drives, it would be. Just
> do all the setup (including installing the drivers for the SATA controller)
> with the drives attached to the old IDE controller. Then move everything
> over when you're done.
>
> By the way, "VIA RAID" makes it sound to me like you've got a SATA/RAID
> controller that uses a chipset manufacturered by the VIA company. They are
> well-known for their various motherboard components, so this isn't really a
> news flash or anything I guess. Just something to keep in mind when you're
> doing the CD shuffle, looking for the one with the controller drivers.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Pete
>
>

Golden stuff, Pete! Where were you last weekend when I attempted all
this SATA/RAID business? ;-)

With this info, I'll give it another whirl sometime this week and let
you know how it flies...so to speak.

Pete..let me stretch your good indulgences here if I may, and I'll even
relate this to the sims so the assembled don't think I'm too off-topic
with all the machine talk...it's a clear bet that the majority of folks
have their flight sims located on various brands and speeds of 'IDE'
drives because, hey, IDE is still the reigning type of drive but what
about these add-on gizmos like that High Point Tech company "RocketHead
[sic] 100" that plugs into the 40 pin IDE drive but then the other side
of the gizmo makes it possible to connect [with a SATA data cable]
--and-- using Legacy power -- standard Molex 4 prong cable] via another
adapter on the thing into the SATA slot. Is this, more or less, simply a
means to get the IDE drive onto the SATA slots and 'benefit' from that
SATA data cable? I guess what I'm asking is this: If folks don't want
the hassle of moving all their sims and systems to SATA drives and wish
to retain their main IDE drive, is there any 'speed' advantage to going
the IDE to SATA adapter where data now flows through a SATA data cable
versus the usual UDMA ribbon cable --or-- is this adapter business
merely a means to use IDE's on a SATA slot and thus have less data
ribbon clutter but a [for example] UDMA 133 IDE drive will 'not' have
any speed advantage [and thus a smoother sim] being connected to SATA
controllers nor the use of a SATA data cable..in effect..a 133 UDMA will
never go any faster then its rated UDMA rating???

Thanks again, Pete.

Doc Tony

[Peter Duniho]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
> Golden stuff, Pete! Where were you last weekend when I attempted all
> this SATA/RAID business? ;-)

Sorry...I must've failed to notice the Bat Signal. I'll try to keep a
better eye out next time. :)

> [...] but what
> about these add-on gizmos like that High Point Tech company "RocketHead
> [sic] 100" that plugs into the 40 pin IDE drive but then the other side
> of the gizmo makes it possible to connect [with a SATA data cable]
> --and-- using Legacy power -- standard Molex 4 prong cable] via another
> adapter on the thing into the SATA slot. Is this, more or less, simply a
> means to get the IDE drive onto the SATA slots and 'benefit' from that
> SATA data cable?

That's the kind of adapter to which I referred, that I used to install
regular IDE drives on my SATA controller.

As for why one would do that... :)

I looked at some benchmarks, and it appeared that the SATA controller
potentially had a lower CPU utilization than the IDE controller, for
high-bandwidth disk access. In my case, I'm dealing with video editing
which involves moving huge amounts of data around, often at the same time
the CPU is trying to process that data. For games, you are unlikely to be
using the disk for significant periods of time during high-CPU-use
activities, so it probably wouldn't matter in that respect.

As far as the drive access speed itself goes, as it appears you've already
surmised there's no benefit to using the faster controller if the disk can't
keep up. At this point, no consumer-level drives can even exceed the older
ATA 133 speeds, never mind the bandwidth of a SATA controller, so putting a
drive on the SATA controller won't help in that respect. In the future,
perhaps consumer level drives will be fast enough to warrant using an
adapter, but by then I'd guess SATA would be standard issue connectors on
all drives anyway.

Your guess regarding the cable type is probably the most common reason to
put an IDE drive on a SATA controller using one of those adapters. Not only
is the "clutter factor" reduced, but airflow through the case is MUCH
better, which is very important for those overclocked, maxed-out gaming
machines many people like to play their games on. :)

In addition to the CPU-utilization advantage (which, by the way, I've found
no conclusive evidence to support, as it turns out...I went back to the
benchmarks later and discovered that they had been updated, and the
advantage was not so pronounced), another advantage to using an adapter is
that IDE drives are still easier to find, and it's a way to put six drives
into a box that would otherwise only fit four (four on the IDE controller,
plus another two on the SATA controller...or even more if the controller has
the extra connections).

Finally, perhaps the most interesting advantage for many applications
(though not flight simulators) is the question of what happens when you have
two disk drives plus an optical drive (CD or DVD). As it turns out, for a
given IDE controller, the data rate on the cable is limited to the slowest
device on the cable. So putting a hard disk on the same cable as an optical
drive can really slow the hard disk down, as the IDE controller reverts to
the older ATA66 or even ATA33 standard for the optical drive. On the other
hand, if you are trying to copy large amounts of data from one disk to
another (as is often the case when dealing with video editing), having both
hard disks on the same cable creates a lot of contention between the two
drives, as they both try to share the same wires running to the computer.

So, a solution to that is to give the optical drive(s) their own IDE
controller, and give each hard disk their own IDE or SATA controller. Since
pretty much every motherboard comes with only two IDE controllers, then if
you also have SATA, you can dedicate a data channel to each storage device
by putting one or more on the SATA controller. With the standard two IDE
controllers, plus a two-channel SATA controller, you can have three disks
each on their own controller (two SATA and one IDE), along with up to two
optical drives (both on the same IDE controller, one as master and one as
slave), without having any of the storage devices interfering with the
others (well, you still get bottlenecks closer to the CPU, and the two
optical drives still have to share, but those are less significant issues).

I guess in the end, even where there's a potential speed improvement, most
users aren't doing the kinds of things where they'd notice the difference.
But there are still a few valid reasons for adapting an old IDE drive to a
new SATA controller, if you think you might notice the difference, or you
just want to rationalize (most of my computer hardware was rationalized,
rather than justified :) ). Just don't pay too much for one of those
adapters!

Pete

[Al Denelsbeck]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
:


> Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima
> culpa!

Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled by
everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me
pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-)


> [suddenly!]
>
> Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc
> Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!"
>
> Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr.
> G, ... merely lost!"

Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're
lost - atheism is the only way! ;-)


> ;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well
> working neurons] and his known sense of humor!]
>
> Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments
> [and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back
> when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many
> real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho
> [who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight
> sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden
> Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al
> B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang!

Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere.
No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of
times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they (who?)
say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC".

Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see
you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here again.
I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from time
to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's
been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype without
the four.


> Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you
> designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both
> sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that
> taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6
> turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in
> both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr.
> Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De
> Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ].

You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on
my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive, but
not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too...

I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier
landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and
landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and
can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot
merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't found
a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS I'm
using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-)

Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my
stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to
buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly
between them often.

But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes in
only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup is
anybody's guess...

So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our fearless
leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"


- Al.

--
To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain

[John Ward]

Hi Al,

Fascinating, and great to see The Doc's "overcoming it" (I don't say
that lightly, Doc' !!).

Have you two guys ever had a squizz at alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim?

Regards,
John
"Al Denelsbeck" > wrote in message
. 6...
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
> :
>
>
> > Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima
> > culpa!
>
> Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled by
> everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me
> pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-)
>
>
> > [suddenly!]
> >
> > Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc
> > Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!"
> >
> > Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr.
> > G, ... merely lost!"
>
> Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're
> lost - atheism is the only way! ;-)
>
>
> > ;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well
> > working neurons] and his known sense of humor!]
> >
> > Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments
> > [and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back
> > when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many
> > real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho
> > [who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight
> > sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden
> > Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al
> > B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang!
>
> Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere.
> No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of
> times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they (who?)
> say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC".
>
> Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see
> you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here again.
> I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from
time
> to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's
> been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype without
> the four.
>
>
> > Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you
> > designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both
> > sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that
> > taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6
> > turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in
> > both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr.
> > Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De
> > Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ].
>
> You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on
> my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive, but
> not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too...
>
> I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier
> landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and
> landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and
> can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot
> merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't found
> a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS I'm
> using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-)
>
> Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my
> stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to
> buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly
> between them often.
>
> But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes in
> only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup is
> anybody's guess...
>
> So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our fearless
> leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"
>
>
> - Al.
>
> --
> To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain

[Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo]

Al Denelsbeck wrote:
> "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>
>>Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima
>>culpa!
>
>
> Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled by
> everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me
> pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-)
>

Seriously Al, but keeping such savvy of your work to myself unless or
until you ever go into it publicly....it markets 'itself'...it's that
excellent and I mean that sincerely! No overt/covert satiric stuff here.
I've seen it. And it's 'that' good! Nuff' said.

In another area, I've known Roy Chaffin for some moons and his
professional area is something to behold as well! But then, I've always
found that by and large [with the usual, let us say, more blatant
exceptions that 'any' area, hobby or real world profession has of
course] the sim community, collectively, has the sparks! I think we have
every profession under the sun from surgeons to you-name-it of every age
and of course both genders. It's also a giving fraternity, in my view,
and the level of technical expertise out there just within the sim world
is more times than not a matter of a free download!

So too, and you know me on this theme, I'm convinced that the sim
community per se has literally out-produced in terms of sustained
quality 'any' commercial sim-av enterprise in terms of what the
community ITSELF has offered, improved on [Falcon 4, inter alia, comes
immediately to mind when Micropose/Hasbro literally abandoned the sim
until the community took it up and made it really soar! ] and often
provides free of charge!

My sim roots go back some years with those many classic albeit wholly
free sim programs like Alain Capt and his ACS-GPS, Helge Schroeder
[*Helge finally gave up correcting fan email he would get addressed to
"Ms. Schroeder" ...hey, I lived there for 5 years [Darmstadt] and the
'Ami's' always figure 'Helge' is de facto a female name!]---anyway, his
original FSNav 3.0 which was an excellent 'gotta'-have' freebie... it
was only with the 4.0 series [4.51] that a fee was subsequently
charged...Arnt Haaland and his nifty Flightzip 2000...and the countless
planes, panels, sounds, scenery, usw. that were there for the DL. As for
the sim community helping hand? Always there. That's been my experience
anyway.

RAS Group: "Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz"

OK....OK...but my last point which found decent support within the RAP
newsgroup: the value of the sim to the real-deal! I will debate that
fact and truism with anyone and use Uncle Sam as exhibit one along with
many FBO's who readily see the value of sim 'adjunctive' [operative
word] use to that of the real McCoy. Funny, isn't it, and for those who
subscribe to the 'real' av mags [as I do for some years...yes CP too on
the sim scene] and what does one see within those pages for the FAA
ticket holders--- does 'Elite' ring a bell? Does Commo ring a bell? Does
the Nav DVD's WITH sim demonstrator ring a bell? And hey, when prior to
'69 when there was 'no' previous experience in moon landings, where were
those men in practice for such an attempt? I believe it was a sim! Sure,
BIG geetis and all that but then today we can produce virtually anything
on the machine electronically to mimic the real avionics! Our friends at
Garmin are not exactly being 'solely' beneficent in allowing MS to use
their GPS gear....in the FS sims! Think about it! And various others not
to mention the ever increasing level of sim sophistication since Bruce
Artwick first tinkered with an 'idea', or, conversely, Doc you-know-who
and his ATC...sim....which of course the real-life controllers begin on
in Ok City ...ATC....sims! Hey, take a peek at the Sporty's catalog!

Ahhhhhh, I know...I'm off again on the old theme but the hobby to
various and sundry that I know at least transcends some mere 'game' and
they see the sim as an adjunctive aid to the real deal and it can
decidedly be just that! Adjunctive to be sure but a defensible
correlation to the real deal machine. So says Uncle Sam..among others
....and various of the FBO flight schools
in re nav techniques and getting to sense, even on the sim, the fact
that the wrong move ... can be rather unforgiving.

Whew!



>
>[i]
>>[suddenly!]
>>
>>Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc
>>Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!"
>>
>>Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr.
>>G, ... merely lost!"
>
>
> Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're
> lost - atheism is the only way! ;-)
>

I think it first started back when ...and the good Sisters of St.
Dominic. Let's just say that Jake and Elwood's visit to the "penguin"
was 'not' exaggerated! Ba-da-bing! Ba-da-bang! Ba-da-bing! Circa the
50's anyway.

But then, and duly available in "The Evening Sun" [Baltimore] morgue
when that lady writes to me, and which I duly quoted in the published
piece, to wit, "Why you're just as ungodly and sinful as he [*Mencken]
was ... but I will remember you in my novenas and pray for your
salvation...Mr. Mencken as well, sinner and heathen though he was when
he lived.... ." I have that letter [1991] framed in my work room!


>
>
>>;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well
>>working neurons] and his known sense of humor!]
>>
>>Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments
>>[and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back
>>when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many
>>real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho
>>[who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight
>>sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden
>>Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al
>>B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang!
>
>
> Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere.
> No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of
> times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they (who?)
> say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC".
>
> Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see
> you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here again.
> I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from time
> to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's
> been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype without
> the four.
>

Great plane the now nostalgic B-36! 'Peacekeeper' indeed although
[mercifully] it was never used in a combat situation. But what a monster
it truly was! In my era, it was the helo that offered the smile and
preferably not the one with the 'target' Red Cross on the nose...which
wasn't ever honored by the folks with the AK-47's anyway.

Nuff' said on that one.
>
>
>>Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you
>>designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both
>>sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that
>>taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6
>>turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in
>>both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr.
>>Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De
>>Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ].
>
>
> You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on
> my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive, but
> not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too...
>
> I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier
> landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and
> landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and
> can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot
> merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't found
> a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS I'm
> using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-)
>
> Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my
> stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to
> buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly
> between them often.
>
> But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes in
> only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup is
> anybody's guess...
>
> So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our fearless
> leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"
>
>

And my retort would be.... [and no doubt detractors would readily
agree!] "I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!" I love
that flick! And hey, on our other mutual favorite, I 'did' send you the
RA sound byte...you know...the one, the only...."And now, ladies and
gentlemen, from Calumet City, Illinois, ..... the show band .... the
BLUES BROTHERS! ;-)

Fr. Bill [goes for it! Doing an ad hoc soul-food joint A.F. ...] "Don't
you blaspheme in here, Doc Tony! Don't you blaspheme in here! Now you
can take your four friiiiiiied chickens, your driiiiiiied white
toast...and 'fellow heathen' Al Denelsbeck [!]..... ."

[suddenly! A cameo appearance! ]

Helge S.: 'Wer? Doc Tony? Was hat er gesagt? [pauses] Ich kenne diesen
Mann nicht!"

[but then, alas, and simply hearing 'die Sprache' .... reverts forthwith!]

Al D. [excited!] : "WAS? WAS? WO? Norrrrrrr-mannnnn-dieeeee? Wie dumm
auf mir! Wie dumm!" Cue Real Audio: 'Dah-Dah-Dah-Dahhhhhhhhhh!'

[but ahhhhhhh!]

Greasy [same flick! Doing the guy from the 'Eight-Duece' ... ] "It's
them bells! DING-DONG....DING-DONG....I've been hearing them all night!"

[meanwhile....]

Fr. Bill: [ditto for the flick!] "My communion kit! I've lost it!"

John Ward: "We're under fire here, Padre!"

;-)




;-)
;-)
;-)

:-)

> - Al.
>

[John Ward]

Hi Doc Tony,

Hey mate, are your mind/spirit at peace at the moment, or is it still a
tad too early?

Regards,
John
"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Al Denelsbeck wrote:
> > "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >
> >
> >>Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima
> >>culpa!
> >
> >
> > Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled
by
> > everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me
> > pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-)
> >
>
> Seriously Al, but keeping such savvy of your work to myself unless or
> until you ever go into it publicly....it markets 'itself'...it's that
> excellent and I mean that sincerely! No overt/covert satiric stuff here.
> I've seen it. And it's 'that' good! Nuff' said.
>
> In another area, I've known Roy Chaffin for some moons and his
> professional area is something to behold as well! But then, I've always
> found that by and large [with the usual, let us say, more blatant
> exceptions that 'any' area, hobby or real world profession has of
> course] the sim community, collectively, has the sparks! I think we have
> every profession under the sun from surgeons to you-name-it of every age
> and of course both genders. It's also a giving fraternity, in my view,
> and the level of technical expertise out there just within the sim world
> is more times than not a matter of a free download!
>
> So too, and you know me on this theme, I'm convinced that the sim
> community per se has literally out-produced in terms of sustained
> quality 'any' commercial sim-av enterprise in terms of what the
> community ITSELF has offered, improved on [Falcon 4, inter alia, comes
> immediately to mind when Micropose/Hasbro literally abandoned the sim
> until the community took it up and made it really soar! ] and often
> provides free of charge!
>
> My sim roots go back some years with those many classic albeit wholly
> free sim programs like Alain Capt and his ACS-GPS, Helge Schroeder
> [*Helge finally gave up correcting fan email he would get addressed to
> "Ms. Schroeder" ...hey, I lived there for 5 years [Darmstadt] and the
> 'Ami's' always figure 'Helge' is de facto a female name!]---anyway, his
> original FSNav 3.0 which was an excellent 'gotta'-have' freebie... it
> was only with the 4.0 series [4.51] that a fee was subsequently
> charged...Arnt Haaland and his nifty Flightzip 2000...and the countless
> planes, panels, sounds, scenery, usw. that were there for the DL. As for
> the sim community helping hand? Always there. That's been my experience
> anyway.
>
> RAS Group: "Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz"
>
> OK....OK...but my last point which found decent support within the RAP
> newsgroup: the value of the sim to the real-deal! I will debate that
> fact and truism with anyone and use Uncle Sam as exhibit one along with
> many FBO's who readily see the value of sim 'adjunctive' [operative
> word] use to that of the real McCoy. Funny, isn't it, and for those who
> subscribe to the 'real' av mags [as I do for some years...yes CP too on
> the sim scene] and what does one see within those pages for the FAA
> ticket holders--- does 'Elite' ring a bell? Does Commo ring a bell? Does
> the Nav DVD's WITH sim demonstrator ring a bell? And hey, when prior to
> '69 when there was 'no' previous experience in moon landings, where were
> those men in practice for such an attempt? I believe it was a sim! Sure,
> BIG geetis and all that but then today we can produce virtually anything
> on the machine electronically to mimic the real avionics! Our friends at
> Garmin are not exactly being 'solely' beneficent in allowing MS to use
> their GPS gear....in the FS sims! Think about it! And various others not
> to mention the ever increasing level of sim sophistication since Bruce
> Artwick first tinkered with an 'idea', or, conversely, Doc you-know-who
> and his ATC...sim....which of course the real-life controllers begin on
> in Ok City ...ATC....sims! Hey, take a peek at the Sporty's catalog!
>
> Ahhhhhh, I know...I'm off again on the old theme but the hobby to
> various and sundry that I know at least transcends some mere 'game' and
> they see the sim as an adjunctive aid to the real deal and it can
> decidedly be just that! Adjunctive to be sure but a defensible
> correlation to the real deal machine. So says Uncle Sam..among others
> ...and various of the FBO flight schools
> in re nav techniques and getting to sense, even on the sim, the fact
> that the wrong move ... can be rather unforgiving.
>
> Whew!
>
>
>
> >
> >[i]
> >>[suddenly!]
> >>
> >>Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc
> >>Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!"
> >>
> >>Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr.
> >>G, ... merely lost!"
> >
> >
> > Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're
> > lost - atheism is the only way! ;-)
> >
>
> I think it first started back when ...and the good Sisters of St.
> Dominic. Let's just say that Jake and Elwood's visit to the "penguin"
> was 'not' exaggerated! Ba-da-bing! Ba-da-bang! Ba-da-bing! Circa the
> 50's anyway.
>
> But then, and duly available in "The Evening Sun" [Baltimore] morgue
> when that lady writes to me, and which I duly quoted in the published
> piece, to wit, "Why you're just as ungodly and sinful as he [*Mencken]
> was ... but I will remember you in my novenas and pray for your
> salvation...Mr. Mencken as well, sinner and heathen though he was when
> he lived.... ." I have that letter [1991] framed in my work room!
>
>
> >
> >
> >>;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well
> >>working neurons] and his known sense of humor!]
> >>
> >>Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments
> >>[and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back
> >>when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many
> >>real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho
> >>[who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight
> >>sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden
> >>Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al
> >>B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang!
> >
> >
> > Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere.
> > No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of
> > times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they
(who?)
> > say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC".
> >
> > Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see
> > you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here
again.
> > I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from
time
> > to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's
> > been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype
without
> > the four.
> >
>
> Great plane the now nostalgic B-36! 'Peacekeeper' indeed although
> [mercifully] it was never used in a combat situation. But what a monster
> it truly was! In my era, it was the helo that offered the smile and
> preferably not the one with the 'target' Red Cross on the nose...which
> wasn't ever honored by the folks with the AK-47's anyway.
>
> Nuff' said on that one.
> >
> >
> >>Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you
> >>designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both
> >>sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that
> >>taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6
> >>turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in
> >>both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr.
> >>Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De
> >>Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ].
> >
> >
> > You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on
> > my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive,
but
> > not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too...
> >
> > I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier
> > landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and
> > landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and
> > can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot
> > merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't
found
> > a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS
I'm
> > using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-)
> >
> > Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my
> > stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to
> > buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly
> > between them often.
> >
> > But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes
in
> > only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup
is
> > anybody's guess...
> >
> > So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our
fearless
> > leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"
> >
> >
>
> And my retort would be.... [and no doubt detractors would readily
> agree!] "I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!" I love
> that flick! And hey, on our other mutual favorite, I 'did' send you the
> RA sound byte...you know...the one, the only...."And now, ladies and
> gentlemen, from Calumet City, Illinois, ..... the show band .... the
> BLUES BROTHERS! ;-)
>
> Fr. Bill [goes for it! Doing an ad hoc soul-food joint A.F. ...] "Don't
> you blaspheme in here, Doc Tony! Don't you blaspheme in here! Now you
> can take your four friiiiiiied chickens, your driiiiiiied white
> toast...and 'fellow heathen' Al Denelsbeck [!]..... ."
>
> [suddenly! A cameo appearance! ]
>
> Helge S.: 'Wer? Doc Tony? Was hat er gesagt? [pauses] Ich kenne diesen
> Mann nicht!"
>
> [but then, alas, and simply hearing 'die Sprache' .... reverts
forthwith!]
>
> Al D. [excited!] : "WAS? WAS? WO? Norrrrrrr-mannnnn-dieeeee? Wie dumm
> auf mir! Wie dumm!" Cue Real Audio: 'Dah-Dah-Dah-Dahhhhhhhhhh!'
>
> [but ahhhhhhh!]
>
> Greasy [same flick! Doing the guy from the 'Eight-Duece' ... ] "It's
> them bells! DING-DONG....DING-DONG....I've been hearing them all night!"
>
> [meanwhile....]
>
> Fr. Bill: [ditto for the flick!] "My communion kit! I've lost it!"
>
> John Ward: "We're under fire here, Padre!"
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> ;-)
> ;-)
> ;-)
>
> :-)
>
> > - Al.
> >
>

[Al Denelsbeck]

"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" > wrote in
:

<snipped, for convenience>
>
> But then what can be said about a man who felt that
> taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6
> turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in
> both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr.
> Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De
> Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ].


Hey, Doc!

Regarding what I said about alt.binaries.pictures.aviation, you of
all people should visit http://www.b-36peacemakermuseum.org/lastb36/ right
away, I mean right away. Recent posts regarding this site, and the
publication therein, have indicated he has *ten* left and is not sure if a
third edition will be made.

I'll be back later on,


- Al.

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