the Pinckneyville Gathering of the ILK

[Snowbird]

The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
this weekend with thousands in attendence

Oh, wait, wrong website

Those of the Ilk who made it through or around the bad weather
(driving or flying) did meet and gather at Pinckneyville. Tigger
and his family arrived before lunch on Saturday. As I walked
across the ramp, I couldn't help but comment "wow, what beautiful
old airplanes" shortly followed by "wow, what decrepit old
reprobabe pilots".

Oyster owned, that would be him. Rich, as for what Oyster was
doing in Iowa, let's not discuss that in a "family" newsgroup.
Heh, heh. Everyone from points north drove or flew commercial --
just no getting through.

I wish I'd had the chance to talk to the pilot of the other
Stinson -- what a work of art. Other notable planes were the
beautiful acrosport, the RV-4 (that must be a show plane -- it
looks like it's glass), and the Decathalon which provided a
pleasant demo on Saturday. Dan Luke, it was nice to meet you,
thanks for showing me the Magic Weather Machine, and I'm sorry
we didn't get up in Tigger.

Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver), Unka Bob and
his Serendipitous horse, Chuck Slusarc&#@k, and Dave Tate's
plane. OK, Dave well we missed you too. Bourbon, out of annual
is no durned excuse but at least now we know why you're so crabby
lately. I believe your doctor should prescribe a course of
RVotherapy, good for what ails ya.

Thanks to Mary for as usual, fantastic good food produced under
minimalist conditions and to John and Mary for hosting another
Gathering of the Ilk. Thanks, Nauga for hauling our big tent
for us.

Good to see everyone,
Sydney

[Dave Hyde]

Snowbird wrote:

> "wow, what decrepit old reprobabe pilots".

The guys were pretty disreputable too :-)

It was a great time, good to see old friends
and make new ones.

Dave 'Rain Man' Hyde

[Dave S]

Snowbird wrote:
<SNIP>

>
> Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
> to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),


Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?
Dave

[Jay Honeck]

> Heh, heh. Everyone from points north drove or flew commercial --
> just no getting through.

You can say *that* again.

We tried. Had the plane (just 24 hours out of annual) back, the staffing at
the inn all set, my daughter set to stay at a friends overnight if need be,
my teenage son mowling all the way -- and then the weather went absolutely
wacky.

We had a nice window of good flying weather -- that lasted about 20 minutes.
We got about 30 miles south of Iowa City, the clouds closed in beneath us,
and towering cumulous clouds were wall-to-wall in the distance.

Amazingly, ADDs and flight service had been calling everything VFR just 10
minutes earlier. Never seen conditions fall apart so fast.

Even if we had made it, we'd probably still be there. The weather has been
just crazy here -- 90 degrees one minute, 50 the next, with massive storms
in between.

Next year for sure!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Snowbird]

Dave S > wrote in message t>...
> Snowbird wrote:
> <SNIP>

> > Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
> > to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),

> Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?

Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
period

S

[Jay Honeck]

> will there be any pictures...........

If, so, email 'em to me, and I'll get 'em up on the Rogue's Gallery!

Of course, you may not *want* a permanent record of what transpired...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave S]

Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Dave

Snowbird wrote:

> Dave S > wrote in message t>...
>
>>Snowbird wrote:
>><SNIP>
>
>
>>>Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
>>>to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),
>
>
>>Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?
>
>
> Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
> its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
> period
>
> S

[Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club]

will there be any pictures...........

Phil

[Kyler Laird]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

>> Heh, heh. Everyone from points north drove or flew commercial --
>> just no getting through.

>You can say *that* again.

....but it'd still be inaccurate. I had pleasant flights.

--kyler

[Snowbird]

Dave S > wrote in message t>...
> Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

> I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

[John Ammeter]

On 24 May 2004 13:42:35 -0700,
(Snowbird) wrote:

>Dave S > wrote in message t>...
>> Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?
>
>As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
>well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
>testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
>fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
>pilot or some such.
>
>> I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!
>
>Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
>personal situation.
>
>I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
>of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
>low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
>your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
>perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.
>
>Cheers,
>Sydney

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

[nauga]

Dave S wrote:

> Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.

Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
from me.

> I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.

Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

[Morgans]

"John Ammeter" > wrote
>
> You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
> smart assed know-it-all...
>
> John

I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when telling
someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" <g>
--
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[Del Rawlins]

In > Morgans wrote:
>
> "John Ammeter" > wrote
>>
>> You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
>> smart assed know-it-all...
>>
>> John
>
> I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when
> telling someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.
>
> It was well deserving a smart ass response.
>
> If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" <g>

Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

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[Bernie the Bunion]

> Del Rawlins > wrote:

> Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

Oh come on folks..... Look at the calender.

What week is it....??????

Pinckneyville weekend...... Does that not ring a bell.

Here you have Mr Ammeter the good loyal friend of YOU KNOW WHO.

And in a childish, petty, snotty manner, as usual, some of the
close buddies of YOU KNOW WHO just can't imagine that a group
of people could enjoy the camaraderie of the Pinckneyville weekend
without their presence.

So is it not expected that just a few days after the Pinckneyville
flyin that someone close to YOU KNOW WHO would slime out of the
woodwork and take a swipe at YOU KNOW WHO's favourite whipping girl.

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????

[Jerry Springer]

Bernie the Bunion wrote:
>>Del Rawlins > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.
>
>
> Oh come on folks..... Look at the calender.
>
> What week is it....??????
>
> Pinckneyville weekend...... Does that not ring a bell.
>
> Here you have Mr Ammeter the good loyal friend of YOU KNOW WHO.
>
> And in a childish, petty, snotty manner, as usual, some of the
> close buddies of YOU KNOW WHO just can't imagine that a group
> of people could enjoy the camaraderie of the Pinckneyville weekend
> without their presence.
>
> So is it not expected that just a few days after the Pinckneyville
> flyin that someone close to YOU KNOW WHO would slime out of the
> woodwork and take a swipe at YOU KNOW WHO's favourite whipping girl.
>
> It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.
>
> As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
> came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
> with the group.
>
> Can anyone....???????



Oh and you do????????? LOL

[Bernie the Bunion]

> >Bernie the Bunion wrote:

> > As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
> > came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
> > with the group.
> >
> > Can anyone....???????
>

> Jerry Springer > wrote:

> Oh and you do????????? LOL

No Jerry.... I can't remember.

In fact I can't remember the last time that you wrote
a flying or building story.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind refreshing my memory.

By the way are you supporting Mr. Ammeter's snotty comments
towards one of your fellow pilots and newsgroup contributors
or are you just taking another swipe at me.

[Richard Riley]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:44:19 GMT, "nauga" > wrote:

:Dave S wrote:
:
:> Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?
:
:The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
:maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
:it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
:area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
:Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
:attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
:look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
:It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
:the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
:I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
:answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
:same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
:help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
:help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.
:
:Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
:from me.

You coulda asked for PJY to be part of your test area when you got the
sign off. It's worked, depending on the DAR.

:> I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!
:
:Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.
:
:Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

Remember, the zip code you want is 92660-92663

[Del Rawlins]

In > Bernie the Bunion wrote:

> It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.
>
> As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
> came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
> with the group.
>
> Can anyone....???????

Whatever the real story is with Sydney/Youknowwho/John, you are totally
off base with your opinion of John. Unlike you, Mr. Ammeter is a real
person who possesses the strength of character to post using his own
name. He has built and flown his own homebuilt aircraft (again, unlike
you) and if you haven't seen him post useful information then you simply
haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, while I didn't agree with
his comment in this instance, I certainly don't need your help in
responding to him and I resent the tag team debating tactics which you
are trying to include me in. In other words, butt out.

I don't know what is the best John is capable of but I suspect it is
considerably better than anything you might have done. I do know that
when I was able to get out of Alaska for a while a few years ago, John
took the time to visit me at the flight school I was attending and spent
a good part of his day just talking with me about homebuilts and flying
in general. In the grand scheme of things that may not matter much but
for a young guy from rural Alaska surrounded by strange sights and way
more people than should ever live in close proximity to one another,
John provided a welcome break, some good building and flying advice, and
a chance to talk in real life with another homebuilder (in the town
where I am from, there were maybe 1-2 others, no EAA, and my computer
was my only real link to other like-minded individuals).

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[John Ammeter]

On 25 May 2004 14:43:52 GMT, Del Rawlins
> wrote:

>In > Bernie the Bunion wrote:
>
>> It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.
>>
>> As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
>> came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
>> with the group.
>>
>> Can anyone....???????
>
>Whatever the real story is with Sydney/Youknowwho/John, you are totally
>off base with your opinion of John. Unlike you, Mr. Ammeter is a real
>person who possesses the strength of character to post using his own
>name. He has built and flown his own homebuilt aircraft (again, unlike
>you) and if you haven't seen him post useful information then you simply
>haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, while I didn't agree with
>his comment in this instance, I certainly don't need your help in
>responding to him and I resent the tag team debating tactics which you
>are trying to include me in. In other words, butt out.
>
>I don't know what is the best John is capable of but I suspect it is
>considerably better than anything you might have done. I do know that
>when I was able to get out of Alaska for a while a few years ago, John
>took the time to visit me at the flight school I was attending and spent
>a good part of his day just talking with me about homebuilts and flying
>in general. In the grand scheme of things that may not matter much but
>for a young guy from rural Alaska surrounded by strange sights and way
>more people than should ever live in close proximity to one another,
>John provided a welcome break, some good building and flying advice, and
>a chance to talk in real life with another homebuilder (in the town
>where I am from, there were maybe 1-2 others, no EAA, and my computer
>was my only real link to other like-minded individuals).
>
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Aw shucks, Del, you're gonna give me a swelled head...
Bunions comments don't bother me at all. I simply consider
the source and ignore him.

How is the progress on your Bearhawk??

It's got to be much harder building from plans than from a
kit like I did. You certainly did pick an airplane suitable
for Alaskan flying, though...

john

[Del Rawlins]

In > John Ammeter wrote:

> How is the progress on your Bearhawk??
>
> It's got to be much harder building from plans than from a
> kit like I did. You certainly did pick an airplane suitable
> for Alaskan flying, though...

Progress is slow and the excuses are several and valid. I'm currently
working on the wing spars but am rapidly approaching the point where I
have to locate an 8 foot brake with which to bend the spar webs.

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[Rich S.]

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in message
...
>
> Progress is slow and the excuses are several and valid. I'm currently
> working on the wing spars but am rapidly approaching the point where I
> have to locate an 8 foot brake with which to bend the spar webs.

Del.........

Got any drawbridges in your neck of the woods? :-))

Rich "Lower it just a bit more. That's good" S.

[Gary Thomas]

Bernie the Bunion wrote:
>
> > >Bernie the Bunion wrote:
>
> > > As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
> > > came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
> > > with the group.
> > >
> > > Can anyone....???????
> >
>
> > Jerry Springer > wrote:
>
> > Oh and you do????????? LOL
>
> No Jerry.... I can't remember.
>
> In fact I can't remember the last time that you wrote
> a flying or building story.
>
> Perhaps you wouldn't mind refreshing my memory.
>
> By the way are you supporting Mr. Ammeter's snotty comments
> towards one of your fellow pilots and newsgroup contributors
> or are you just taking another swipe at me.

That would be WIPE butt head

[Dave S]

I didnt really take offense at all, being the previous poster. I must
admit that yea, I may have been a little short sighted, but I guess I
was looking in the context that if my goal was to get the aircraft to
Pickneyville then I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
it was safe to do so..

Yea.. its assuming, and presumptuous.. and I dont have a problem with
someone directly rebutting me :)

Dave

Morgans wrote:
> "John Ammeter" > wrote
>
>>You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
>>smart assed know-it-all...
>>
>>John
>
>
> I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when telling
> someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.
>
> It was well deserving a smart ass response.
>
> If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" <g>

[Dave S]

Thanks for the feedback... gives me something to think about when the
velocity gets airborne.

And, yea, I must admit my job situation is a little unique (but in
deference to others, NOT low pressure). I work as an ICU nurse in a
day-to-day setting, filling in holes in the nursing shortage. Gives lots
of freedom of scheduling, but the manner in which I work gives me no
vacation benefits.. If I take the time off, I have to absorb it. So,
taking a week off for OSH or Xmas means I'm making it up in the weeks
before or after.

Good luck getting the 40 flown off and enjoy your aircraft. At least
your FLYING.. right now I'm still itching from fiberglass construction.

Dave

nauga wrote:

> Dave S wrote:
>
>
>>Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?
>
>
> The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
> maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
> it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
> area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
> Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
> attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
> look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
> It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
> the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
> I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
> answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
> same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
> help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
> help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.
>
> Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
> from me.
>
>
>>I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!
>
>
> Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.
>
> Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde
>
>
>

[nauga]

Dave S wrote...

> ...I guess I was looking in the context that if my
> goal was to get the aircraft to Pickneyville then
> I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
> it was safe to do so..

No offense taken. I had planned to have the hours
flown off in time for Pinckneyville, but a lot
has happened in the past few months and I haven't
been able to work on the airplane or fly it very
often. Right now my main priority is to get the
bugs worked out so I can ferry it to California
in June or July. What testing I have done has
been uneventful, and I should be able to get much
more time on it in the next few weeks. Attending PJY
was a luxury given my time constraints, but one
I wouldn't miss unless chained down.

One of the highlights of *my* Pinckneyville
experience was spending about 20 minutes on the
phone with Uncle Bob trying to soak up as much
as I could about flying RV's. I wish I'd taken notes.
There was also a *gorgeous* -4 that came over
from Carbondale, I picked the builder's brain
for a while and kept him and his son much later than
they really wanted to stay, I think.

Dave 'get this guy away from me!' Hyde

[Del Rawlins]

In > Rich S. wrote:
> "Del Rawlins" > wrote in
> message ...
>>
>> Progress is slow and the excuses are several and valid. I'm
>> currently working on the wing spars but am rapidly approaching the
>> point where I have to locate an 8 foot brake with which to bend the
>> spar webs.
>
> Del.........
>
> Got any drawbridges in your neck of the woods? :-))
>
> Rich "Lower it just a bit more. That's good" S.

I wanted one but my wife refuses to live in a house with a drawbridge.
When she asked what I wanted it for, "to go across the moat" did not
impress her. 8^) I have a couple of leads that I can pursue but have
been putting it off while I work on other things.

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[Snowbird]

Dave S > wrote in message et>...
> I didnt really take offense at all, being the previous poster. I must
> admit that yea, I may have been a little short sighted, but I guess I
> was looking in the context that if my goal was to get the aircraft to
> Pickneyville then I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
> it was safe to do so..

> Yea.. its assuming, and presumptuous.. and I dont have a problem with
> someone directly rebutting me :)

I'm glad you weren't offended, as that wasn't the intent.

I'm privledged to know Dave and to witness some of the early flights
of his plane, and I happen to know some of the constraints he's working
under (which are NOMB to discuss), which kept the attempts from full
success.

Most of us have multiple goals and we have to fight to balance them
out.

It's a beautiful plane, and well worth waiting for. And we at PJY got
to see another RV4, truly a gorgeous one, too.

Cheers,
Sydney

[El Roto]

"Snowbird" > wrote in message
om...
> The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
> this weekend with thousands in attendence
>
> Oh, wait, wrong website
>
> Those of the Ilk who made it through or around the bad weather
> (driving or flying) did meet and gather at Pinckneyville. <snip>

I found driving to be the best method. Dallas, TX -> Ft. Smith, AR ->
Springfield, MO,-> Elgin, IL,-> PVY...what could be simpler?

The company was wonderful, the kite flying was dangerous, the hospitality
was off the charts (as always)...I think I'll try to shorten the intervals
between my appearances; that's too much fun to wait 5 years to do again!

Steve "El Roto" G.

[Barnyard BOb -]

>In Bernie the Bunion wrote:
>
>> It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.
>>
>> As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
>> came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
>> with the group.
>>
>> Can anyone....???????
>
>Whatever the real story is with Sydney/Youknowwho/John, you are totally
>off base with your opinion of John. Unlike you, Mr. Ammeter is a real
>person who possesses the strength of character to post using his own
>name. He has built and flown his own homebuilt aircraft (again, unlike
>you) and if you haven't seen him post useful information then you simply
>haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, while I didn't agree with
>his comment in this instance, I certainly don't need your help in
>responding to him and I resent the tag team debating tactics which you
>are trying to include me in. In other words, butt out.
>
>I don't know what is the best John is capable of but I suspect it is
>considerably better than anything you might have done. I do know that
>when I was able to get out of Alaska for a while a few years ago, John
>took the time to visit me at the flight school I was attending and spent
>a good part of his day just talking with me about homebuilts and flying
>in general. In the grand scheme of things that may not matter much but
>for a young guy from rural Alaska surrounded by strange sights and way
>more people than should ever live in close proximity to one another,
>John provided a welcome break, some good building and flying advice, and
>a chance to talk in real life with another homebuilder (in the town
>where I am from, there were maybe 1-2 others, no EAA, and my computer
>was my only real link to other like-minded individuals).
>
>Del Rawlins-
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Everything you say about Ampmeter, Del, goes DOUBLE for me.

When I was looking to buy an RV-3, Trade-A-Plane had one
listed in the Seattle area. With a simple phone call from me half a
continent away, John Ammeter stepped up to the plate and helped
me out with his personal time and effort, and probably put more
than 100 miles on his car checking out that RV-3 in my behalf.
This is the one I fly today, more than 3 years later. You know...
the one that doesn't exist for some of the newbies and their ilk.

I'm proud to thank John once again here personally for the
time, effort and expense he incurred, unselfishly, for me.

As for Bernie, I don't know why he hangs here. Last I knew
he is not a pilot, builder or airplane owner. **** stirring seems
to be his forte'. A bit like me, I must admit. <g>


Barnyard BOb -- N863WL
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

[El Roto]

"Snowbird" > wrote in message
om...
> The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
> this weekend with thousands in attendence

<snip>

I crafted a marvelously witty response to this thread last night and the
server seems to have lost it - yah, that's what happened, the server lost
it. I'm sticking with that.

I had a wonderful time talking to old friends and making new ones (Stella,
you stole my heart) and, as usual, I was taken better care of by HF and Mary
than I have been by family, nurses, or any other people to whom I've paid a
lot more than a sawbuck or two for a good time!

I'll try not to wait 5 years 'till the next time if y'all think you can
stand seeing me sooner than that. <G>

[Richard Riley]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:17:45 -0500, "El Roto"
> wrote:

:
:"Snowbird" > wrote in message
. com...
:> The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
:> this weekend with thousands in attendence
:
:<snip>
:
:I crafted a marvelously witty response to this thread last night and the
:server seems to have lost it - yah, that's what happened, the server lost
:it. I'm sticking with that.

You mean this one?

:
:I found driving to be the best method. Dallas, TX -> Ft. Smith, AR ->
:Springfield, MO,-> Elgin, IL,-> PVY...what could be simpler?
:
:The company was wonderful, the kite flying was dangerous, the hospitality
:was off the charts (as always)...I think I'll try to shorten the intervals
:between my appearances; that's too much fun to wait 5 years to do again!

[StellaStar]

>I had a wonderful time talking to old friends and making new ones (Stella,
>you stole my heart)

It was hard to top opening remarks:
"Is there camping here?"
"Well, I slept in a truck last night."
"So did I, till I got the duct tape off."

Some folks are just natural conversationalists. We could have gone on for
hours. Oh...we did.

A weekend well worth missing my own graduation for, and just about anything
else. Let's do it again next year!

[El Roto]

Nah, it was *much* better than that; real Hall of Fame material. I guess
it's lost forever.

;)

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:17:45 -0500, "El Roto"
> > wrote:
>
> :
> :"Snowbird" > wrote in message
> . com...
> :> The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
> :> this weekend with thousands in attendence
> :
> :<snip>
> :
> :I crafted a marvelously witty response to this thread last night and the
> :server seems to have lost it - yah, that's what happened, the server lost
> :it. I'm sticking with that.
>
> You mean this one?
>
> :
> :I found driving to be the best method. Dallas, TX -> Ft. Smith, AR ->
> :Springfield, MO,-> Elgin, IL,-> PVY...what could be simpler?
> :
> :The company was wonderful, the kite flying was dangerous, the hospitality
> :was off the charts (as always)...I think I'll try to shorten the
intervals
> :between my appearances; that's too much fun to wait 5 years to do again!
>
>