Seminole Lake Gliderport Future?

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Hi,

I am interested in getting a glider rating at Seminole Lake. I drove up last week to see the place and fell in love. When searching on the internet, I came across post on here saying that the owner bought the place with stolen money and is now getting deported back to Europe. The article said he was facing life in prison! Wow!

I'm told that this is (or maybe was) the place to get a rating, but I'm hesitant to spend several thousands of dollars if the place is on the verge of collapse.

I also searched on google for "fugitive assets frozen" and it appears since this was such a high profile case that this airports assets will be frozen before too long and sold off to repay the money to whom the owner stole from.

I read on this forum from the management that they have a plan, but if they don't state the exact details of the plan to it doesn't sound like they actually have a plan.

Can anyone recommend another gliderport in Florida? Or is it worth driving up to Chilhowee Tennessee?

Thanks

[Steve Koerner]

You should realize that when there is a change of ownership, businesses rarely stop operating. As long as it's a successful going concern, it will very likely continue as such. That's especially so considering the significant investment on the property. It is a pretty place for soaring.

[Casey[_2_]]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am interested in getting a glider rating at Seminole Lake. I drove up last week to see the place and fell in love. When searching on the internet, I came across post on here saying that the owner bought the place with stolen money and is now getting deported back to Europe. The article said he was facing life in prison! Wow!
>
> I'm told that this is (or maybe was) the place to get a rating, but I'm hesitant to spend several thousands of dollars if the place is on the verge of collapse.
>
> I also searched on google for "fugitive assets frozen" and it appears since this was such a high profile case that this airports assets will be frozen before too long and sold off to repay the money to whom the owner stole from.
>
> I read on this forum from the management that they have a plan, but if they don't state the exact details of the plan to it doesn't sound like they actually have a plan.
>
> Can anyone recommend another gliderport in Florida? Or is it worth driving up to Chilhowee Tennessee?
>
> Thanks

I just came from a 3 week stay and it was alive and well even though the owner was not there. I went there over Chilhowee due to that is the first place I ever flew in a glider, know some of the people there, and the weather was warmer. I plan to fly Chilhowee this summer even though I have never been. My 5th flight ever in a single place glider was over 4hrs there, and was only limited by my launch time of 1 o'clock. I could have easily stayed up over 5hrs if I had launched earlier.

Check the SSA.org site for the closes operation to you: http://www.ssa.org/WhereToFlyMap.asp

I think any operation today would not be in business if they were not good at what they do. Different operations have different facilities, gliders, and hours of operation. Many operations help each other out with tow planes when a contest is being organized.

[son_of_flubber]

> Can anyone recommend another gliderport in Florida? Or is it worth driving up to Chilhowee Tennessee?

http://www.eaglesport.org/ combination power and glider club

http://www.ssa.org/WhereToFlyMap.asp

Florida is flat. Chilhowee is in the mountains. Getting the add-on rating in FL will be easier. If/when you train in the mountains, you will learn additional skills. I suggest learning the basics of aerotow and landing in FL close to home, and then immediately (while you still have 'beginner's mind') start visiting Chilhowee to learn about Appalachian Mountain Style soaring. Get the basics out of the way in FL this Spring, then go to Chilhowee over the summer and enjoy the cooler mountain weather.

Once you get comfortable in a glider, go to Chilhowee to get a taste of Appalachian Mountain Soaring and expand your skill set.

[Mike Schumann[_2_]]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am interested in getting a glider rating at Seminole Lake. I drove up last week to see the place and fell in love. When searching on the internet, I came across post on here saying that the owner bought the place with stolen money and is now getting deported back to Europe. The article said he was facing life in prison! Wow!
>
> I'm told that this is (or maybe was) the place to get a rating, but I'm hesitant to spend several thousands of dollars if the place is on the verge of collapse.
>
> I also searched on google for "fugitive assets frozen" and it appears since this was such a high profile case that this airports assets will be frozen before too long and sold off to repay the money to whom the owner stole from.
>
> I read on this forum from the management that they have a plan, but if they don't state the exact details of the plan to it doesn't sound like they actually have a plan.
>
> Can anyone recommend another gliderport in Florida? Or is it worth driving up to Chilhowee Tennessee?
>
> Thanks

If you pay anything upfront, use a US Credit Card (NOT a Debit Card, Cash, or Check). That way you will be protected by your credit card issuer if there is a hiccup and they go bankrupt. It's good to be concerned, as even if the business continues to operate, creditors, including gift certificate owners and people with outstanding deposits aren't necessarily protected.

[Dave Springford]

As Wilbur Wright said, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

But here are some facts as I know them:

1. The owner is not facing life in prison.
2. Arrangements have been made to secure the continued operation of the gliderport.
3. The fact that "the plan" is not posted to the internet does not mean there is not a plan.
4. The management is busy getting ready for the Seniors contest that starts in a few days and probably don't have time to write something every time someone cries wolf.

If you spend several thousand dollars getting your rating, then what difference does it make after you have completed your rating as to the disposition of the site?

[Paul Agnew]

The issue would be timing. He doesn't want to be half-way through the rating and have the operation close doors on him.

A fellow JetBlue pilot recommended Citrus Soaring - Franklin Burbank - in Mt. Dora/Eustis. (Between Leesburg, FL and Sanford, FL at the Mid-Florida Airpark.) When I trained there last July, they had just moved back to Mid-Florida that week after being over at Pierson for something like 20 years. They have a 2-33 and a 1-26, and I was able to complete my Comm-Glider add-on very easily.

Franklin and his dad, Bob, are both Designated Examiners. Scheduling rides is never a problem. (They also do checkrides for Seminole Lake.)

http://www.citrussoaringclub.com

https://www.facebook.com/Citrus-Soaring-LLC-442899575746304/

Franklin Burbank 352-223-2883

They have my highest recommendation.

Cheers!
Paul Agnew
Palm Beach Gardens, FL

[Casey[_2_]]

> If you pay anything upfront, use a US Credit Card (NOT a Debit Card, Cash, or Check). That way you will be protected by your credit card issuer if there is a hiccup and they go bankrupt. It's good to be concerned, as even if the business continues to operate, creditors, including gift certificate owners and people with outstanding deposits aren't necessarily protected.

I've never seen anyone pay upfront. Payment is due after lessons or tows. My payment and others I saw anyway were after services rendered.

[Casey[_2_]]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:06:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:
> The issue would be timing. He doesn't want to be half-way through the rating and have the operation close doors on him.
>
> A fellow JetBlue pilot recommended Citrus Soaring - Franklin Burbank - in Mt. Dora/Eustis. (Between Leesburg, FL and Sanford, FL at the Mid-Florida Airpark.) When I trained there last July, they had just moved back to Mid-Florida that week after being over at Pierson for something like 20 years. They have a 2-33 and a 1-26, and I was able to complete my Comm-Glider add-on very easily.
>
> Franklin and his dad, Bob, are both Designated Examiners. Scheduling rides is never a problem. (They also do checkrides for Seminole Lake.)
>
> http://www.citrussoaringclub.com
>
> https://www.facebook.com/Citrus-Soaring-LLC-442899575746304/
>
> Franklin Burbank 352-223-2883
>
> They have my highest recommendation.
>
> Cheers!
> Paul Agnew
> Palm Beach Gardens, FL

I have flown with Franklin once before. A very good instructor and a younger guy than most CFIGs I know.

The biggest difference in Seminole and Citrus is Blanik L23 vs Schweizer 2-33 and the hours of operation I believe. Seminole is open Tue-Sun. Seminole has accommodations on site but not sure about Citrus. Seminole also has a Grob 103 and 3 Pawnee tow planes. I enjoy talking to some comp pilots and checking out their gliders at Seminole but I can not speak of Citrus. Seminole has a DPE living at the field but Bob and Franklin will also come to Seminole for check rides. I have not been to Citrus, I flew with Franklin when he worked at Seminole.

Either place can hook you up. They are not that far apart. You can visit each and check out the action and see which one fits you better.

[[email protected]]

Good evening, my name is Rich Owen and I am the Vice-President of Seminole Flying and Soaring the parent company of Seminole-Lake Gliderport. We were frankly surprised of the rumors regarding the demise of this vibrant company. To give you an example, next week we are holding the largest one class soaring contest in the United States. We have hosted this contest for the last 26 years. We had 93 pilots apply for 60 available slots. There are 34 RV's staying in our RV park. Our waiting list is larger then many contest held in the United States. On the heels of this race we always hold a cross country or racing camp to offer advanced flight training.
We offer flight training 6 days a week with instructors adveraging over 20 years of experience in soaring. With accommodations available on the airfield obtaining your license at Seminloe Lake is efficient and very cost effective. The availability of the many attractions in the Orlando area will fill your family's time while you are flying.
I hope this has answered some of your questions and assauged your doubts. Please fill free to email me at
Sincerely,
Rich

[[email protected]]

I can highly recomend Citrus Soaring. Franklin is attentive, knowledgable and a great instructor. If you want personalized instruction without all the hassles of 20 other gliders trying to get in the air, then citrus is the place to go. They are just north of seminole and have the same wonderfull soaring conditions.

[Papa3[_2_]]

I recently sent one of my student pilots to Seminole while he was escaping from the cold up North. He came back positively overflowing with praise for the operation and people. I know several of the key folks, and they are a class act all around. While nothing in aviation is a sure thing, I can't imagine getting wrapped around the axle over taking lessons from Seminole.

Erik Mann
CFI-G from chilly NJ

[Bob Pasker]

Why would anyone want to do business with a place that is owned by the indicted former head of the secret police of Romania, who is under arrest on an INTERPOL warrant?

--bob

"Former PDSR MP Mihai Tanjala, sentenced to five years in prison for corruption in Romania, under international arrest warrant, is to be extradited to Romania from the Cayman Islands, where he was arrested in October, local media reported."

[KEN]

Well Bob, I'll tell you why people would want to do business at SLGP. I have lived on this airport for 27 years and have seen tow pilots,glider instructors,students ,and glider owners come and go. SLGP is a great place to fly with an excellent staff and manager. Soaring sites are becoming fewer every year. Should we throw in the towel an quite flying from SLGP because someone from outside the USA bought it. The pilots,staff and present manager plan to keep Seminole-Lake Gliderport open and keep it as a great place to enjoy soaring.

[Casey[_2_]]

Odd how the person who started this topic gave it such a catchy tittle and so interested in ensuring he would not waste training money on a place that may not be around to finish his rating that we have not heard from him since his initial post.

Also he has not responded to my private message.

I wonder if this post was started by one of the pilots that was asked to leave and not return.

[[email protected]]

Pilots being asked to leave? Staff coming and going? What all has been going on down your way other than the remote problems of the owner that have nothing really to do with the day to day op of the field?

[Retting]

Hey, which one of you nuckleheads real name is Susan?
Like none of you cheated on your taxes.
What happened, happened. What is, will be. And what's coming, nothing can stop.
In the mean time, go dig up your mother and cuss her out for creating a ****ant of a child.

R

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:30:13 PM UTC-6, Retting wrote:
> Hey, which one of you nuckleheads real name is Susan?
> Like none of you cheated on your taxes.
> What happened, happened. What is, will be. And what's coming, nothing can stop.
> In the mean time, go dig up your mother and cuss her out for creating a ****ant of a child.
>
> R

Well that escalated quickly

[JS]

I have not flown at Seminole since it was run by Knut and Ingrid, who were extremely hospitable. The first visit, Seminole was in Oveido.
Regardless of the legal issues brought up, hopefully these recent posts by an angry individual do not reflect the current attitude at Seminole. They appear to support that someone could have been treated poorly.
Seminole is an icon of our community, it would be bad to see it go away.
Jim


On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:20:03 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:30:13 PM UTC-6, Retting wrote:
> > Hey, which one of you nuckleheads real name is Susan?
> > Like none of you cheated on your taxes.
> > What happened, happened. What is, will be. And what's coming, nothing can stop.
> > In the mean time, go dig up your mother and cuss her out for creating a ****ant of a child.
> >
> > R
>
> Well that escalated quickly

[MNLou]

If anyone really wants to see or hear how Seminole operates, come on down and watch the Seniors Contest now in process.

The contest crew and the Seminole folks are putting on a hell of a show.

Lou