Re: Which Logger?

[tango4]

Aircraft - Ventus Bt, Asw 20 bl and Libelle.
Logger / Vario - Colibri and Lx160 ( now a 160s )

Opinion - 8/10
Plusses - Reasonably simple to use. Reliable, plenty memory
Minus - can't set task and/or active TP in flight via RS232 interface
without redeclaration ocurring

Volkslogger / Borgelt B50
Opinion 8/10
Minus - Memory overflows and cocks up logging
Plus - more functionality on RS232 interface.

Ian

"Kevin Neave" > wrote in
message ...
> Anyone out there got any views on the pros & cons of
> the Colibri vs Volkslogger?
>
> They're about the same price / size etc.
>
> Anyone used both & have a preference?
>
> (I'll probably end up connecting the logger to an LX160s
> vario & a PDA running the free version of Cambridge
> PC-Nav)
>
> Cheers
>
>
>

[Chip Fitzpatrick]

I had the Colibri and the LX160 in a 19B. They work very well together.

Chip Fitzpatrick
N127KK

[Harold Ennulat]

Volkslogger memory depends on interval setting.

"tango4" > wrote in message
...
> Aircraft - Ventus Bt, Asw 20 bl and Libelle.
> Logger / Vario - Colibri and Lx160 ( now a 160s )
>
> Opinion - 8/10
> Plusses - Reasonably simple to use. Reliable, plenty memory
> Minus - can't set task and/or active TP in flight via RS232 interface
> without redeclaration ocurring
>
> Volkslogger / Borgelt B50
> Opinion 8/10
> Minus - Memory overflows and cocks up logging
> Plus - more functionality on RS232 interface.
>
> Ian
>
> "Kevin Neave" > wrote
in
> message ...
> > Anyone out there got any views on the pros & cons of
> > the Colibri vs Volkslogger?
> >
> > They're about the same price / size etc.
> >
> > Anyone used both & have a preference?
> >
> > (I'll probably end up connecting the logger to an LX160s
> > vario & a PDA running the free version of Cambridge
> > PC-Nav)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Martin Hellman]

Kevin Neave > wrote in message >...
> Anyone out there got any views on the pros & cons of
> the Colibri vs Volkslogger?
>
> They're about the same price / size etc.
>
> Anyone used both & have a preference?
>
> (I'll probably end up connecting the logger to an LX160s
> vario & a PDA running the free version of Cambridge
> PC-Nav)
>
> Cheers

A friend of mine has the Volkslogger and I have the Colibri. I prefer
the Colibri because of its larger memory and FIFO software. That is,
when the Colibri runs out of memory, it overwrites the oldest flight,
whereas if memory serves me, the Volkslogger just stops recording.
Also, the Colibri is smart enough while you're waiting on the ground
to take off that it stops recording, while I believe the Volkslogger
wastes memory in that phase. [This is from memory and please correct
me if I'm wrong. But I did make this decision just a few months ago
and believe my memory is relatively accurate.]

Even with engine monitor on (I fly a motorglider), I get over 70 hours
of memory from the Colibri, whereas the Volkslogger has a
significantly shorter time before you need to download. With 70 hours,
I never need to carry a laptop with me and try to download. (A real
mess based on what I saw my friend try to do, though maybe he was new
to the unit then.) I just remove the Colibri, take it home, connect it
to my PC (and 12 v) and download via SeeYou. Real smooth.

Martin

[Mzsoar]

anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
others.
__Mike

[Tim]

(Mzsoar)s comments read:

>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>others.
>__Mike

They are OK if you operate them correctly ... as the internal battery
can run flat very quickly. The don't have any ENL recording so are not
suitable in Turbos/Self Launchers.
--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

[Tim]

Tim >s comments read:

(Mzsoar)s comments read:
>
>>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>>others.
>>__Mike
>
>They are OK if you operate them correctly ... as the internal battery
>can run flat very quickly. The don't have any ENL recording so are not
>suitable in Turbos/Self Launchers.

And I should have added - they need an external GP source so there is
a bit more wiring than say a Colibri or Volkslogger
--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

[rhpf]

Most other loggers include a GPS the EW does not and has to be used with a
specified GPS for ICG approved flights.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

"Mzsoar" > wrote in message
...
> anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price
of the
> others.
> __Mike

[Tim Newport-Peace]

X-no-archive: yes
In article >, Tim <tim_spam_d
> writes
(Mzsoar)s comments read:
>
>>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>>others.
>>__Mike
>
>They are OK if you operate them correctly ... as the internal battery
>can run flat very quickly. The don't have any ENL recording so are not
>suitable in Turbos/Self Launchers.

Firstly, the latest model (D) can run on external power.

Secondly, the may not have ENL recording, but they do have the facility
to control Turbos/Self-Launchers via a Pylon or Door switch, which is
approved.

Tim Newport-Peace

"Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."

[G.A. Seguin]

"rhpf" > wrote in message >...
> Most other loggers include a GPS the EW does not and has to be used with a
> specified GPS for ICG approved flights.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
> "Mzsoar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price
> of the
> > others.
> > __Mike

Hi,
I use a EW since 1997, B model. Battery is not a problem, one 9 volts
every
3 month/40 to 50 hours. Latest D model can take outside power with
internal battery back-up.
With Garmin 12 is half price of GPSNAV, same service.
Gilles

[Eric Greenwell]

In article >,
says...
> Most other loggers include a GPS the EW does not and has to be used with a
> specified GPS for ICG approved flights.

This aspect makes it more work for you and your official observer, if
you go for badges or records. It is also limited to the Diamond badge
and lower.
--
!Replace DECIMAL.POINT in my e-mail address with just a . to reply
directly

Eric Greenwell
Richland, WA (USA)

[Pete Brown]

>>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>>others.
>>__Mike
>
>
> They are OK if you operate them correctly ... as the internal battery
> can run flat very quickly. The don't have any ENL recording so are not
> suitable in Turbos/Self Launchers.

I use an EW B model in my self launcher and its easy. The EW
has leads for a motor contact switch that you can hook up.

The internal battery lasts plenty long unless you set a
rediculously short data point interval.


--

Peter D. Brown
http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/

[Martin Gregorie]

On 09 Sep 2003 15:45:58 GMT, (Mzsoar) wrote:

>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>others.
>__Mike

I have an EW model D which I'm very happy with. As I already had a
Garmin GPSII+ I also bought the Garmin<->logger external power cable
so I can run both instruments off the glider's 12v battery. I've had
no problems with the EW D and, used with external power in the glider,
I get a year's use from its internal 9cv PP3 battery - alkaline, of
course.

The model D is very simple to use, though you do need a PC to download
traces or set its internal parameters, declaration, etc.

--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :

[Tim]

Tim Newport-Peace ]>s comments read:

>X-no-archive: yes
>In article >, Tim <tim_spam_d
> writes
(Mzsoar)s comments read:
>>
>>>anyone had any experience with the EW looger. It's about half the price of the
>>>others.
>>>__Mike
>>
>>They are OK if you operate them correctly ... as the internal battery
>>can run flat very quickly. The don't have any ENL recording so are not
>>suitable in Turbos/Self Launchers.
>
>Firstly, the latest model (D) can run on external power.

Although the D will run from internal power if it is turned on and
_then_ connected to external power. Just make sure you do it the
correct way round


--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

[Ray Lovinggood]

As others have said, you will need a gps to send data
to the EW logger. I would suggest a Garmin. It seems
if you show up at a fun-fly or a contest, there may
be others there with EW/Garmin combinations, and getting
turnpoints and doing downloads might be easier if others
are in the same 'group.'

I have a Volkslogger. Compare the cost of it with
the EW/separate gps. (Cost in U.S. Dollars)

1. Volkslogger: $800
2. Goddard power supply and cable: $130 +/- (I forgot
actual cost)
3. Compaq 1520 (from e-bay about three years ago and
I paid way too much. Your mileage may vary. )
4. The 'free-ware', PocketNav, (or whatever it is
called) from Cambridge for the Compaq
5. Software sold by Paul Remde, created by Henri Birecki,
that transfers the Volklogger igc file to the Compaq.
With this $20 piece of software, I don't need a notebook
computer to download the Volkslogger at the field.
However, I won't be able to upload any data to the
Compaq or Volkslogger at the field, unless I borrow
someone's computer. Hopefully, I'll have all the data
I will need (cross my fingers) when I get to the field.

Total cost: $950, not including pda. So yes, you
can get an EW and a gps for less than $950. The good
thing about one model of the EW is that it has the
internal battery. The Volkslogger has no internal
power source and power must be provided via the cable
that also sends and recieves data.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

At 12:06 10 September 2003, Jose M. Alvarez wrote:
>Recently I decided for a Volkslogger. Easy installation,
>screwed it in place
>of the camera, small, GPS included. IGC files perfect.
>Several friends have
>EW and have trouble with downloads, plus you need another
>GPS to connect.
>If I were you I'd go for a Volkslogger. Besides, the
>EW is not that cheap!
>
>Jose M.Alvarez
>
>'Eric Greenwell' escribió en el mensaje
.. .
>> In article ,
>> says...
>> > Most other loggers include a GPS the EW does not
>>>and has to be used with
>a
>> > specified GPS for ICG approved flights.
>>
>> This aspect makes it more work for you and your official
>>observer, if
>> you go for badges or records. It is also limited to
>>the Diamond badge
>> and lower.
>> --
>> !Replace DECIMAL.POINT in my e-mail address with just
>>a . to reply
>> directly
>>
>> Eric Greenwell
>> Richland, WA (USA)
>
>
>

[Jim Kelly]

Looking back over the comprehensive posts under this recent thread,
I'm curious that the Thermi was not included in the discussion? Is
it not a suitable FAI approved logger/gps that can drive programs
like WinPilot on an iPaq Pocket-PC?

How does Thermi differ from Colibri or Volkslogger?
I am interested to hear comments in this regard . .

Thanks

Jim Kelly.


"Martin Hellman" > wrote in message
om...
| Kevin Neave >
wrote in message
>...
| > Anyone out there got any views on the pros & cons of
| > the Colibri vs Volkslogger?
| >
| > They're about the same price / size etc.
| >
| > Anyone used both & have a preference?
| >
| > (I'll probably end up connecting the logger to an LX160s
| > vario & a PDA running the free version of Cambridge
| > PC-Nav)
| >
| > Cheers
|
| A friend of mine has the Volkslogger and I have the Colibri. I
prefer
| the Colibri because of its larger memory and FIFO software. That
is,
| when the Colibri runs out of memory, it overwrites the oldest
flight,
| whereas if memory serves me, the Volkslogger just stops recording.
| Also, the Colibri is smart enough while you're waiting on the
ground
| to take off that it stops recording, while I believe the
Volkslogger
| wastes memory in that phase. [This is from memory and please
correct
| me if I'm wrong. But I did make this decision just a few months
ago
| and believe my memory is relatively accurate.]
|
| Even with engine monitor on (I fly a motorglider), I get over 70
hours
| of memory from the Colibri, whereas the Volkslogger has a
| significantly shorter time before you need to download. With 70
hours,
| I never need to carry a laptop with me and try to download. (A
real
| mess based on what I saw my friend try to do, though maybe he was
new
| to the unit then.) I just remove the Colibri, take it home,
connect it
| to my PC (and 12 v) and download via SeeYou. Real smooth.
|
| Martin