back up gps?

[Nicholas Long]

Whats everyone's favorite backup gps (if you fly with one).

It occurred to me that my Naviter and LK are fairly unstable and it would be wise to carry a backup...

Garmin 96 or garmin 195 are cheap, not sure about their power consumption.

[Bill T]

Back up GPS for navigation? Paper chart and Mk-1 eyeball.
I've only used an Oudie for a couple of summers, with a nano data logger.
They go down, it's the paper chart.

BillT

[Surge]

On Monday, 30 May 2016 04:23:13 UTC+2, Nicholas Long wrote:
> Whats everyone's favorite backup gps (if you fly with one).
>
> It occurred to me that my Naviter and LK are fairly unstable and it would be wise to carry a backup...
>
> Garmin 96 or garmin 195 are cheap, not sure about their power consumption.

A smartphone seems like a much cheaper option if you already have one.

I keep an Android phone in my pocket running XCSoar which gives me all the functionality of a full blown moving map and glide computer with zero additional cost.
My Samsung Note 2 runs for 8.5 hours on a full charge with XCSoar running and maximum screen brightness (GPS on and GSM off). I've never had it crash or reboot on me.
Replace Andoid/XCSoar with iOS/iGlide (or whatever you prefer).

If the satellites are switched off a map is the third option and there is nothing wrong with doing a precautionary landing in a farmers field should one get lost.

[JS]

On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:07:36 PM UTC-7, Surge wrote:
> On Monday, 30 May 2016 04:23:13 UTC+2, Nicholas Long wrote:
> > Whats everyone's favorite backup gps (if you fly with one).
> >
> > It occurred to me that my Naviter and LK are fairly unstable and it would be wise to carry a backup...
> >
> > Garmin 96 or garmin 195 are cheap, not sure about their power consumption.
>
> A smartphone seems like a much cheaper option if you already have one.
>
> I keep an Android phone in my pocket running XCSoar which gives me all the functionality of a full blown moving map and glide computer with zero additional cost.
> My Samsung Note 2 runs for 8.5 hours on a full charge with XCSoar running and maximum screen brightness (GPS on and GSM off). I've never had it crash or reboot on me.
> Replace Andoid/XCSoar with iOS/iGlide (or whatever you prefer).
>
> If the satellites are switched off a map is the third option and there is nothing wrong with doing a precautionary landing in a farmers field should one get lost.

The Android app called Avare is excellent, and runs current WAC or Sectional charts plus airport info (eaasily pull up runway width! try that with a paper chart)
It's free, but I feel well worth a donation.
Jim

[Dan Marotta]

The beauty of flying in New Mexico is that it's very difficult to get
beyond visual range of significant landmarks so I don't even "need" a
map. I can see Blanca Peak in Colorado from overhead Moriarty, and
Sandia Peak from near the Colorado line. There are also only 2 major
roads and, with a magnetic compass, it's a simple matter to find your
way home.


On 5/29/2016 8:57 PM, Bill T wrote:
> Back up GPS for navigation? Paper chart and Mk-1 eyeball.
> I've only used an Oudie for a couple of summers, with a nano data logger.
> They go down, it's the paper chart.
>
> BillT

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Ditto on what Bill T said. Electronics are great but they do quit. A sectional or WAC of the area is in my opinion the thing to have tucked in the cockpit. I also have foreflight on my i phone, thats helps too as long as you have cell coverage.
Dan

[Tango Whisky]

Le lundi 30 mai 2016 19:40:33 UTC+2, a écritÂ*:
> Ditto on what Bill T said. Electronics are great but they do quit. A sectional or WAC of the area is in my opinion the thing to have tucked in the cockpit. I also have foreflight on my i phone, thats helps too as long as you have cell coverage.
> Dan

Electronics doesn't quit if you set it up right. If my power supply fails, the Oudie will continue on its internal battery and GPS for quite some hours. If the Oudie dies, I have a smartphone with GPS, XCSoar and an additional battery which will be working for 10 hours. The CAI302 will stop working, but the VW1000 has a seperate 6x AA apck providing audio operation for 8 hours (no need for prehistoric pneumatic varios).

And yes, I still carry paper maps. Can't remember when I used them last time.

[Oscar-Hotel-Mike]

Both the LX Navigation Colibri II or the LXNav Nano 3 are nice small backups as they are IGC approved loggers, audio varios, thermal optimizers, and GPS navigation tools with internal batteries. Outside the scope of this discussion of "I lost all my power!" is that they can also can display FLARM with an external input (FLARM brick or portable).

Colibri II is less expensive (still being sold?).
Nano 3 seems brighter (better ease of use?).

Videos
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Colibri II > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_pl9iLpxAc
Nano 3 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG6zwEtCs9k

[Dan Marotta]

Avare on an Android device (free, but donations are nice) does not
require cell coverage after you've downloaded every chart imaginable
from the comfort of home. I will be carrying that for my flight in the
Stemme from Moriarty to Minden (tomorrow!).


On 5/30/2016 11:40 AM, wrote:
> Ditto on what Bill T said. Electronics are great but they do quit. A sectional or WAC of the area is in my opinion the thing to have tucked in the cockpit. I also have foreflight on my i phone, thats helps too as long as you have cell coverage.
> Dan

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[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 5/30/2016 10:40 AM:
> Ditto on what Bill T said. Electronics are great but they do quit. A
> sectional or WAC of the area is in my opinion the thing to have
> tucked in the cockpit. I also have foreflight on my i phone, thats
> helps too as long as you have cell coverage. Dan
>
I use Foreflight, and it works without cell coverage for maps and routes
on my iPad and my iPhone. Foreflight is my "bag of maps" - no backup
paper maps in my cockpit!

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