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HGXC[_4_]
May 31st 16, 12:34 PM
I may need a backup soaring program. I'm having trouble with my Oudie. Is there a flight software out there that I can download on my iphone?
Dennis
Sean[_2_]
May 31st 16, 01:10 PM
iGlide. It is excellent.
jfitch
May 31st 16, 03:53 PM
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 4:34:09 AM UTC-7, HGXC wrote:
> I may need a backup soaring program. I'm having trouble with my Oudie. Is there a flight software out there that I can download on my iphone?
>
> Dennis
iGlide. If you have a 6 or later, it will also use the built in barometer giving you pressure altitude. It works well enough you wonder why you have any other instruments.
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 9:53:24 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 4:34:09 AM UTC-7, HGXC wrote:
> > I may need a backup soaring program. I'm having trouble with my Oudie. Is there a flight software out there that I can download on my iphone?
> >
> > Dennis
>
> iGlide. If you have a 6 or later, it will also use the built in barometer giving you pressure altitude. It works well enough you wonder why you have any other instruments.
How badly does it eat up data?
Once flying it's self contained. No need for a data connection.
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 8:22:05 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> How badly does it eat up data?
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Once flying it's self contained. No need for a data connection.
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 8:22:05 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>
> > How badly does it eat up data?
Any negatives from users? Have been looking at it for awhile. THough not IGC verified it seems to be about on par with Oudie
jfitch
May 31st 16, 08:49 PM
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 11:30:59 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > Once flying it's self contained. No need for a data connection.
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 8:22:05 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >
> > > How badly does it eat up data?
>
> Any negatives from users? Have been looking at it for awhile. THough not IGC verified it seems to be about on par with Oudie
It's personal preference, but I would put it head and shoulders above Oudie. Approximately a 30 year advance in UI by comparison. If you like a TTY, then Oudie is for you.
Casey[_2_]
May 31st 16, 11:02 PM
>
> Any negatives from users? Have been looking at it for awhile. THough not IGC verified it seems to be about on par with Oudie
I've used mine about a dozen times now. Several people told me that the GPS in the iPhone was not accurate enough. Well my first few flights had me taking off about 50-100' from where I actually did. But that is close enough for navigation but probably not comp turn points. So I got the Bad Elf and the accuracy is spot on. The only thing is iGlide will only go into vertical view and not landscape putting my bad elf connection on the bottom of the iPhone. My knee hit the Bad Elf and broke the connection inside. Bad Elf replace for free and now I slid my iPhone up so I would not hit the bottom of it. I also move the entire mount out of the way when I exit. iGlide is expensive, but very nice and very easy to use. And the iPhone 6Plus S is sunlight readable and is mounted perfect for face timing my wife. ;)
Ramy[_2_]
June 1st 16, 04:59 AM
There is also winpilot for iPhone/iPad.
Ramy
joesimmers[_2_]
June 1st 16, 12:19 PM
I have the lite version of Iglide, it is cheap ($35 range)
It is perfect for a backup glide computer.
By far the easiest most user friendly UI of anything out there.
This is important if you end up needing it but have not used
it for a while.
On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 6:19:14 AM UTC-5, joesimmers wrote:
> I have the lite version of Iglide, it is cheap ($35 range)
>
> It is perfect for a backup glide computer.
>
> By far the easiest most user friendly UI of anything out there.
>
> This is important if you end up needing it but have not used
> it for a while.
Great! Can you pair it with a Nano 3 for increased GPS accuracy and to take advantage of the Nanos capabilities?
On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 8:59:12 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
> There is also winpilot for iPhone/iPad.
>
> Ramy
Ramy
Do you have any feedback on it?
On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 11:57:14 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:
> No I haven't used it as I am not using my iPhone in flight but I know Jerry was making enhancements to it recently.
>
> Ramy
I’ve used iGlide for 2 seasons. This year, I upgraded to the advanced version because I wanted wind information. To get the wind data they say to make “ two circles” but it takes way more than that. I’m not sure what bank angles work best but medium bank did not make any difference on my last flight. Also, I moved my BadElf Pro to a visible spot on the dash to help with GPS reception. I use an iPhone 6+ on a knee board and it connects with a Bluetooth. On one long flight (4 hours) my iPhone battery went pretty low, %20, so an extra battery pack would be needed for longer flights. I don’t use the OLC function, but downloads of flights into Google earth are really cool, with altitude/ground track displayed in a ribbon fashion. The airspace waring is verbal and works really well, (I fly right next to Class B), but the distance in kilometers is what you really keeps clear. You can change the data screens to just about anything and the data uploads are a breeze, just be sure to update before each flight. Also, I created a polar for my make and model glider to ensure the glide ratio to airports/points more accurate.
jfitch
June 3rd 16, 05:05 AM
On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 1:33:56 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 11:57:14 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:
> > No I haven't used it as I am not using my iPhone in flight but I know Jerry was making enhancements to it recently.
> >
> > Ramy
>
> I’ve used iGlide for 2 seasons. This year, I upgraded to the advanced version because I wanted wind information. To get the wind data they say to make “ two circles” but it takes way more than that.. I’m not sure what bank angles work best but medium bank did not make any difference on my last flight. Also, I moved my BadElf Pro to a visible spot on the dash to help with GPS reception. I use an iPhone 6+ on a knee board and it connects with a Bluetooth. On one long flight (4 hours) my iPhone battery went pretty low, %20, so an extra battery pack would be needed for longer flights. I don’t use the OLC function, but downloads of flights into Google earth are really cool, with altitude/ground track displayed in a ribbon fashion. The airspace waring is verbal and works really well, (I fly right next to Class B), but the distance in kilometers is what you really keeps clear. You can change the data screens to just about anything and the data uploads are a breeze, just be sure to update before each flight. Also, I created a polar for my make and model glider to ensure the glide ratio to airports/points more accurate.
For wind data with iGlide, you really want the Air Vario. Then you will get accurate intertially derived wind data calculated 20 times a second. it's only $3K :)
I just installed iGlide lite. It allows one set of info boxes. Does anybody know if the upgraded versions allow more than one set of info boxes? Such as one set for thermalling, another set for cruise, etc?
Thanks!
Unfortunately, the lite version is too lite. You have lots of options with the advanced version.
5Z
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:32:47 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> I just installed iGlide lite. It allows one set of info boxes. Does anybody know if the upgraded versions allow more than one set of info boxes? Such as one set for thermalling, another set for cruise, etc?
>
> Thanks!
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
July 2nd 16, 03:11 PM
wrote on 6/2/2016 1:33 PM:
> On one long flight (4 hours) my iPhone battery went pretty low, %20,
> so an extra battery pack would be needed for longer flights.
I use a USB converter designed for autos (plugs into a power
socket/cigarette lighter), so the iPhone runs off the glider battery. I
put a power socket on the panel to plug it into, but others solder wires
to it and put it behind the panel.
The first one ($20) caused enormous static on the radio; the second one
($8) caused no static at all. My iPhone 6 pulls 200 ma from the glider
battery.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prev8)ention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
krasw
July 3rd 16, 01:08 PM
There are 3 good reasons for choosing Oudie2:
1) Sunlight readable display
2) Sunlight readable display
3) Sunlight readable display
I'm looking at IGlide as a replacement for my trusty pocket PC running XC soar. IGlide is not bad, better in some ways, but it has a few quirks. It's possible that the quirks could be user error, so I'm posting these questions here to see if anyone else has seen these issues.
1. Iglide can't remember changes to the default settings. I somehow got the default start cylinder set to 50 miles. I've changed it to 5 miles a dozen times at least, but every time I open the program again it's right back to 50 miles. The same goes for the other default task settings.
2. I used the simulation mode once, and now it starts up in simulation mode every time. I turn the simulation switch off, exit the program, and when I start it again the blasted thing is in simulation mode again. That's pretty annoying if you accidentally exit the program while flying. You start it again, and discover that you're in simulation mode, 100 miles away from where you actually are.
Has anybody else experienced these "features"?
Thanks,
John
jfitch
July 3rd 16, 03:22 PM
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 5:08:26 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> There are 3 good reasons for choosing Oudie2:
>
> 1) Sunlight readable display
> 2) Sunlight readable display
> 3) Sunlight readable display
There are 3 good reasons not to choose Oudie2:
1) Only runs SYM software
2) Only runs SYM software
3) Only runs SYM software
:)
jfitch
July 3rd 16, 03:34 PM
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 5:57:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> I'm looking at IGlide as a replacement for my trusty pocket PC running XC soar. IGlide is not bad, better in some ways, but it has a few quirks. It's possible that the quirks could be user error, so I'm posting these questions here to see if anyone else has seen these issues.
>
> 1. Iglide can't remember changes to the default settings. I somehow got the default start cylinder set to 50 miles. I've changed it to 5 miles a dozen times at least, but every time I open the program again it's right back to 50 miles. The same goes for the other default task settings.
>
> 2. I used the simulation mode once, and now it starts up in simulation mode every time. I turn the simulation switch off, exit the program, and when I start it again the blasted thing is in simulation mode again. That's pretty annoying if you accidentally exit the program while flying. You start it again, and discover that you're in simulation mode, 100 miles away from where you actually are.
>
> Has anybody else experienced these "features"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
There is a setting for the default cylinder size, it is in the config.xml file. If you didn't edit this I'm not sure how you changed it. The xml file allows setting default start, finish, and turnpoint types, radii, etc. I don't remember (and cannot find) a screen UI to change it.
It should not come up in simulator mode unless shut down in simulator mode. Mine remembers all setting as they were left across program shutdowns.
I wonder if you have somehow a set of corrupt configuration files? There are several, they appear as xxxx.xml files in the program's data area. The easiest thing to get you back to nominal would be to remove these files and restart the program (it will build new ones if none exist) or remove and reinstall iGlide from the iPhone. I can describe how to do those things if you email me.
Craig Reinholt
July 3rd 16, 03:49 PM
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 7:22:14 AM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 5:08:26 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> > There are 3 good reasons for choosing Oudie2:
> >
> > 1) Sunlight readable display
> > 2) Sunlight readable display
> > 3) Sunlight readable display
>
> There are 3 good reasons not to choose Oudie2:
>
> 1) Only runs SYM software
> 2) Only runs SYM software
> 3) Only runs SYM software
>
> :)
Oudie 2 will run any freestanding flight software. You just need to properly direct the startup sequence to it. Discuss with your Oudie 2 dealer.
On my Oudie 2 I started with LK8000 and quickly dropped that for SYM and never looked back.
Craig
jfitch
July 3rd 16, 04:11 PM
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 7:49:21 AM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 7:22:14 AM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 5:08:26 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> > > There are 3 good reasons for choosing Oudie2:
> > >
> > > 1) Sunlight readable display
> > > 2) Sunlight readable display
> > > 3) Sunlight readable display
> >
> > There are 3 good reasons not to choose Oudie2:
> >
> > 1) Only runs SYM software
> > 2) Only runs SYM software
> > 3) Only runs SYM software
> >
> > :)
>
> Oudie 2 will run any freestanding flight software. You just need to properly direct the startup sequence to it. Discuss with your Oudie 2 dealer.
> On my Oudie 2 I started with LK8000 and quickly dropped that for SYM and never looked back.
> Craig
It will not, for example, run iGlide. Or Winpilot anymore, if you want to use it with an Air vario. It will run SYM, LK8000, or XCSoar - but that is not from "any".
SYM is quite capable, unfortunately the teletype UI from about 1980 does not do it for me. It could be worse I suppose - running say a Fortran card deck for UI. :) Many people like it but I do not.
I have an Avier (same hardware as Oudie2) and have run SYM and XCSoar on it.. Holding them side by side with an iPhone 6 plus, there isn't much difference in sunlight readability. The Avier is a little better under some conditions, a little worse in others.
krasw
July 4th 16, 08:26 AM
On Sunday, 3 July 2016 17:22:14 UTC+3, jfitch wrote:
>
> There are 3 good reasons not to choose Oudie2:
>
> 1) Only runs SYM software
> 2) Only runs SYM software
> 3) Only runs SYM software
>
> :)
What are main reasons against SYM? I tried to learn to use XCSoar but gave up.
jfitch
July 4th 16, 03:17 PM
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 12:26:47 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
> On Sunday, 3 July 2016 17:22:14 UTC+3, jfitch wrote:
> >
> > There are 3 good reasons not to choose Oudie2:
> >
> > 1) Only runs SYM software
> > 2) Only runs SYM software
> > 3) Only runs SYM software
> >
> > :)
>
> What are main reasons against SYM? I tried to learn to use XCSoar but gave up.
There is nothing wrong with SYM that a total re-write of the UI couldn't fix. iGlide for example is several *decades* ahead in Ui design. All that I have tried have adequate functionality, accessing it is the problem. I admit this is to some extent personal preference, but there is some consensus in the man-machine interface field.
I would rate the ones I own this way in descending UI desirability:
iGlide
Winpilot iOS
Winpilot PDA
XCSoar
SYM
Apparently the fix for the mysterious not saving the default settings is to write a post on RAS. Because it seems to be working fine now.
On the topic of xc soar vs Iglide vs others.
XC soar is excellent, and IGlide is looking pretty good. I run XC soar on a pocket pc, connected to a Cambridge 302. It works well, with a few annoyances. Adding a turn point to a task in flight takes a lot of keystrokes.. The map is OK, but not great. Other that that, XC soar is fantastic.
Iglide has a fantastic map, very detailed, and adding a new point is easy. But it doesn't show a "glide amoeba" which I wish it did. Also, if you hit the home button on your device, it stops and your log file stops also. That could be a pain in the neck if you are planning to put your file on the OLC. I can always get the file from the 302, but that requires the pocket PC that I'm trying to get rid of.
Bottom line for me. XC soar is very good. Iglide looks good so far, but I'm not far enough along to get rid of the pocket PC running XC soar just yet. I'll report back after a few more flights.
waremark
July 4th 16, 07:07 PM
What is it about the SYM UI that you don't like?
I can say that what I do like is the flexible screen configurability and the efficient way you can perform common actions such as task setting, task changing, checking the details of waypoints or airspace and zooming.
I run an Oudie IGC alongside my LX9000 and consider it the gold standard in portable glide computing.
In both cases I know the software very well. I completely agree that the critical factor in flight software is familiarity.
Casey[_2_]
July 4th 16, 09:52 PM
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 1:15:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Also, if you hit the home button on your device, it stops and your log file stops also. That could be a pain in the neck if you are planning to put your file on the OLC.
I don't think mine has stopped the log file after hitting the home button. I will try next time I fly but I'm sure I've hit the home button while in flight before.
I'm looking forward to the day I integrate the Buttery Fly Vario with my iPhone running iGlide.
Casey[_2_]
July 4th 16, 10:07 PM
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 1:15:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Also, if you hit the home button on your device, it stops and your log file stops also.
I don't think mine has stopped the log file after hitting the home button. I will try next time I fly but I'm sure I've hit the home button while in flight before.
I'm looking forward to the day I integrate the ButterFly Vario with my iPhone running iGlide.
jfitch
July 5th 16, 12:22 AM
On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-7, waremark wrote:
> What is it about the SYM UI that you don't like?
>
> I can say that what I do like is the flexible screen configurability and the efficient way you can perform common actions such as task setting, task changing, checking the details of waypoints or airspace and zooming.
>
> I run an Oudie IGC alongside my LX9000 and consider it the gold standard in portable glide computing.
>
> In both cases I know the software very well. I completely agree that the critical factor in flight software is familiarity.
UI is to some extent personal preference. Have you used iGlide Pro? The things you mention (task setting, task changing, checking details of waypoints or airspace, zooming) - are all *FAR* easier in iGlide.
I own and have used all of those I mentioned. My glider is set up to take either the iPhone with iGlide or Winpilot iOS, or the Avier with SYM, XCSoar, Winpilot, and a few others. I have flown many days with each. At the beginning of the day it is as easy for me to use one as another, just pick one. Until you use a better one, you may feel that what you have is great. It's going back to one that isn't as great, that the difference is really noted.. For the last two years, I have picked iGlide every time.
iGlide does not have a glide amoeba, it is a feature they have long promised but still not hear. I do not find the one on XCSoar very useful. With iGlide Pro you do get glide over terrain and a terrain profile (also not as useful as one might hope). I thought if you hit the home button it will stop, but will continue the log when you restart it, but I could be wrong.
Sean[_2_]
July 5th 16, 01:33 AM
I have a 1 yr old Oudie 2 for sale, if interested PM me. Also includes a case. Suction cup mount, original box and all accessories that came in the box as well.
Sean
krasw
July 5th 16, 08:32 AM
SYM UI is hugely configurable, for example I have set most of the navboxes to act as shortcut buttons. Maybe the problem is that people lack motivation or skill to build UI to their liking. I still experiment with UI setup, after flying hundreds of hours with it.
waremark
July 6th 16, 02:09 AM
No, I have not experienced the Pro version of iGlide. I do not see how those actions can be performed more easily than in SYM, can you explain the process of task setting for example on iGlide?
As well as personal preference on UI, other aspects which come into this are the type of tasks you fly and your level of willingness to learn and customise the software.
jfitch
July 6th 16, 07:18 AM
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 6:09:30 PM UTC-7, waremark wrote:
> No, I have not experienced the Pro version of iGlide. I do not see how those actions can be performed more easily than in SYM, can you explain the process of task setting for example on iGlide?
>
> As well as personal preference on UI, other aspects which come into this are the type of tasks you fly and your level of willingness to learn and customise the software.
The best way to compare them is to own and use them both for awhile. I am probably in the top 1% of people willing to learn and customize the software. If you have to spend a lot of time learning and customizing, the UI isn't that great, is it?
I am now the proud owner of an iPad mini 4, and now I need to get a GPS receiver so I can use IGlide. It looks like there are two options. Sky pro xgps160 (uses blue tooth), or bad elf gps for lightning connector. Does anyone have any experience with these?
On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 10:21:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> I am now the proud owner of an iPad mini 4, and now I need to get a GPS receiver so I can use IGlide. It looks like there are two options. Sky pro xgps160 (uses blue tooth), or bad elf gps for lightning connector. Does anyone have any experience with these?
I have the Garmin GLO and it works very well. 12 hour battery life, you can pair more than one device to it and it also receives GLONASS. Connection is wireless, so you can position the GLO where it can see the sky all the time and put the phone where you want.
I've also found that the iPhone 6 GPS works pretty darn well (east coast, U..S. flying)- within a couple hundred feet at worst, usually much better. Using just the iPhone I have lost the GPS signal from time to time -pretty infrequently, and it always reacquires after a few seconds.
In fact, the phone GPS works so well, I would only use the external GPS for flights I wanted to log accurately or lengthy XC flights that you want a stable GPS signal for. The advantage of the external GPS is, of course, you have two receivers instead of one. I'll point out that the glider I'm flying also had a 302 in it as a completely separate backup. The GLO has no screen on it, so you couldn't rely on it to give you heading info if you iPhone quit for some reason (say, it overheats because of sunlight and shuts down for awhile to cool off). If the Bad Elf has a way to guide you to a waypoint and you have no backup GPS device, that would swing the balance for me to the Bad Elf.
And +1 for iGlide. EASY to use and plenty of features. Once you swallow the Pro purchase price, you don't need to look back and each time you upgrade your phone, you get new hardware without needing to include new software cost in it. I've had no problems reading the screen in flight and use a suction cup mount from a GoPro with a phone holder for it.
I have added an external battery pack for the iPhone. I keep it in the side pocket and if the phone gets below 50%, I plug it in and it recharges the phone. Pretty simple. I've had no failures with the iPhone but that's the kind of thinking that lulls you into believing you'll *never* have a failure. I believe in planning accordingly, so always have backup systems (separate GPS and paper map) with me.
I ended up spending the extra bucks for the iPad cellular, which includes a GPS chip. Yesterday and today were the first flight tests for IGlide on the iPad mini 4. And wow is it fantastic!
Task planning, including in flight decisions about how deep to fly into a cylinder, is a breeze. You just touch the way point, move it, and IGlide instantly recalculates the task distance and ETA to finish. The map is easy to read, very detailed, and scalable in any proportion.
The only wrinkle that I didn't like is that the "glide ratio" to a waypoint is the ratio that puts you in the ground there, not the ratio that puts you there at your safety altitude. My other minor complaint is that I does not recognize a start out the top of the start cylider. But you can start the task manually, so it's a minor inconvenience, but I suppose the joy of starting out the top of the cylinder makes up for that!
Overall it's really fantastic. Maybe I'll be able to retire that old pocket pc after all.
jfitch
July 18th 16, 06:20 AM
On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:09:07 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> I ended up spending the extra bucks for the iPad cellular, which includes a GPS chip. Yesterday and today were the first flight tests for IGlide on the iPad mini 4. And wow is it fantastic!
>
> Task planning, including in flight decisions about how deep to fly into a cylinder, is a breeze. You just touch the way point, move it, and IGlide instantly recalculates the task distance and ETA to finish. The map is easy to read, very detailed, and scalable in any proportion.
>
> The only wrinkle that I didn't like is that the "glide ratio" to a waypoint is the ratio that puts you in the ground there, not the ratio that puts you there at your safety altitude. My other minor complaint is that I does not recognize a start out the top of the start cylider. But you can start the task manually, so it's a minor inconvenience, but I suppose the joy of starting out the top of the cylinder makes up for that!
>
> Overall it's really fantastic. Maybe I'll be able to retire that old pocket pc after all.
There is a quirk in iGlide that you should be aware of when flying AAT type tasks. The statistics including finish ETA etc. will show be based on: the your excursion into the cylinder, or the actual waypoint, whichever is furthest. If you turn short of the actual waypoint, the statistics will be off.. The way to fix this is to move the waypoint within the cylinder by touching and dragging it to a point closer than your actual turn. iGlide will then calculate the furthest excursion and snap the waypoint to that location.
Another quirk is that until you exit the cylinder, statistics for the rest of the task are calculated assuming you have not yet reached the waypoint and still need to. For example if you have a large cylinder around the last waypoint before the finish, as you glide towards the finish (but still inside the cylinder) you will see the altitude and time required to finish increase, even though you are getting closer to it. As soon as you exit the cylinder, it is all updated correctly. This is mainly a problem only on large cylinders.
I mention these things not to detract from the program which I think is the best out there, but because they are not well documented in the manual and can be confusing until you understand what is going on.
jfitch...I look forward to your review of the "new" WinPilot Live.
Jerry posted" We have put a lot of effort into making WinPilot more stable." I certainly hope this is true as stability is more important than all the new whistles and bells.
Regarding the second quirk...
"Another quirk is that until you exit the cylinder, statistics for the rest of the task are calculated assuming you have not yet reached the waypoint and still need to. For example if you have a large cylinder around the last waypoint before the finish, as you glide towards the finish (but still inside the cylinder) you will see the altitude and time required to finish increase, even though you are getting closer to it. As soon as you exit the cylinder, it is all updated correctly. This is mainly a problem only on large cylinders."
Once you have decided you are headed to the next cylider (but are still in the previous one), you can push the route button, then select the next cylinder and "activate" it. This tells iGlide you are done with the cylinder you are in and are headed to the next one. Once you activate the cyluder you are heading to iGlide marks the cylinder you're still in green, and then it recalculates the time and altitude required.
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
July 19th 16, 03:00 AM
wrote on 7/17/2016 8:09 PM:
> Yesterday and today were the first flight tests for IGlide on the
> iPad mini 4. And wow is it fantastic!
How good is the iPad mini 4 display in the cockpit, compared to the
iPhone 6 (for example)? I have an older iPad mini, and it's usable but
marginal, but my iPhone 6 is very good. For my Phoenix, however, the
iPad mini size fits easily and would be a better choice - if the display
on the mini 4 is better than my old mini.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
The brightness is about the same as my iPhone 5, but the display is much larger which makes everything easy to see. It's somewhat brighter than my old compaq pocket pc.
However, it need to be mounted so that you're viewing it close(ish) to vertical. I tried the iPad sitting on my leg, and I couldn't see anything. But when mounted facing me, it was great. It does not need to be at exactly 90 degrees, but laying it down on your leg (while you are reclined) doesn't work.
Another thing about the iPad is that it allows for 8 info boxes across the top and another 8 across the bottom. With the phone I got 8 total. Also the menus work better on the iPad.
If you go with the iPad, you'll need the cellular version. Or you can use the wifi only version with an external Gps. You don't need cellular service, just the cellular version of the iPad.
jfitch
July 19th 16, 05:37 AM
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 3:57:31 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Regarding the second quirk...
>
> "Another quirk is that until you exit the cylinder, statistics for the rest of the task are calculated assuming you have not yet reached the waypoint and still need to. For example if you have a large cylinder around the last waypoint before the finish, as you glide towards the finish (but still inside the cylinder) you will see the altitude and time required to finish increase, even though you are getting closer to it. As soon as you exit the cylinder, it is all updated correctly. This is mainly a problem only on large cylinders."
>
> Once you have decided you are headed to the next cylider (but are still in the previous one), you can push the route button, then select the next cylinder and "activate" it. This tells iGlide you are done with the cylinder you are in and are headed to the next one. Once you activate the cyluder you are heading to iGlide marks the cylinder you're still in green, and then it recalculates the time and altitude required.
Thanks for that tip - I thought it might be the case but was afraid to try it while actually flying a racing task for fear of losing the stats.
One thing to be careful of is if you are viewing the active racing route, don't hit "Clear" unless you mean it - the route is cancelled and all statistics are immediately lost. They really should have a confirm dialog for that one so it doesn't happen by accident.
Yep, selecting "clear" during your task wipes all the stats.
Selecting "direct to" anywhere has the same effect - because it clears you task.
But judicial use of "activate" and adding waypoints does what I need. You can also unactivate a cylinder by activating the previous one.
The IGlide program is excellent. The documentation, not so much. You just have to play around with it to find out what it does.
And my wife thinks I'm silly because I use iGlide to navigate to work and to the grocery store!
Mike Schumann[_2_]
July 19th 16, 02:22 PM
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:00:37 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> wrote on 7/17/2016 8:09 PM:
> > Yesterday and today were the first flight tests for IGlide on the
> > iPad mini 4. And wow is it fantastic!
>
> How good is the iPad mini 4 display in the cockpit, compared to the
> iPhone 6 (for example)? I have an older iPad mini, and it's usable but
> marginal, but my iPhone 6 is very good. For my Phoenix, however, the
> iPad mini size fits easily and would be a better choice - if the display
> on the mini 4 is better than my old mini.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> - "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
>
> http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
I have an iPad Mini 4 in my Phoenix. It is totally readable. I have been using the free version of the FltPan Go app to give me a moving map sectional display. A great redundancy for the Dynon Skyview system, particularly if you are flying around Class B airspace, where you need to see a bigger picture than what you can easily see on the 7" Dynon display.
I now have completed several flights with the iPad mini4 running iGlide. It's excellent. The map is easy to see, scaleable, and pannable. I'm very pleased with the whole setup. There are a few things that xcsoar does that iGlide won't. But the reverse is true also. I'm very happy with it.
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