Latest Newsletter Pipistrel Motorgliders

[Michael Coates]

Hello guys,

We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.

This newsletter features...

Important information and pictures on flutter testing which may be of
interest to a number of readers.

The new factory has started construction.

The Pipistrel Demonstration Team

Update on the "Flight for Sight" project

All this can be found on the following link


http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-8/newsletter-8.html



Enjoy, Michael Coates X-Air Australia

[Barnyard BOb --]

>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

VIRUS motorgliders ???

You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>


Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue

[Barnyard BOb --]

>>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
>>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>VIRUS motorgliders ???
>
>You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
>Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
>
>
>Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue


P.S.
I didn't mention SINUS.....
cause mine are in good shape.

However, it might be worth noting that anyone
looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
the difference between disaster and success at times.

1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.

The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.


Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything

[Rick Pellicciotti]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
> >>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
> >>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >VIRUS motorgliders ???
> >
> >You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
> >Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
> >
> >
> >Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
>
>
> P.S.
> I didn't mention SINUS.....
> cause mine are in good shape.
>
> However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> the difference between disaster and success at times.
>
> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
> 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
>
> The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
> the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
>
I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out
the MU-2:

"Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"

OUCH

Rick Pellicciotti

[Ron Natalie]

"Rick Pellicciotti" > wrote in message news:3f5f36df$1@ham...

> I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out
> the MU-2:
>
> "Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"
>
> OUCH
>
My ex-marketing guy's favorite line used to be "If you can't stand the heat,
stay out of Nagasaki." I tried to keep him away from our Japanese customers.

[Mark Smith]

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
>
> >>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
> >>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >VIRUS motorgliders ???
> >
> >You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
> >Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
> >
> >
> >Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
>
> P.S.
> I didn't mention SINUS.....
> cause mine are in good shape.
>
> However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> the difference between disaster and success at times.
>
> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
> 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
>
> The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
> the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
>
> Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything


dream wings was choosing a new name for their plane,

they thought valkyrie was a neat one,

I suggested The Shyster

someone made a nice plane, side by side, and called it a Wizard, the
name of a really sloppy flying quick clone from the early 80's,,,,,,,,
--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:30:00 -0400, "Ron Natalie" >
wrote:

:
:"Rick Pellicciotti" > wrote in message news:3f5f36df$1@ham...
:
:> I'm reminded of the marketing goof by Mitsubishi when they first brought out
:> the MU-2:
:>
:> "Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Zero!"
:>
:> OUCH
:>
:My ex-marketing guy's favorite line used to be "If you can't stand the heat,
:stay out of Nagasaki." I tried to keep him away from our Japanese customers.

When Mitsubishi was getting ready to launch a sports car in the US a
few years ago they hired a NY advertizing firm and tried to run the
campaign from Japan. They sent pictures and video footage and their
Japanese advertizing, but all the text was in Japanese (no surprise).

The NY firm called their Japanese contact and asked what the car was
named. They were told "Starrion." So they built a campaign around
the name "Starrion" and printed literature and started buying ad
space.

It wasn't until ads had been running in the US for a month that
someone found out the car was supposed to be named "Stallion."

===
My name is Nobody

[Vaughn Simon]

"Barnyard BOb --" > wrote in message
...
>
> However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> the difference between disaster and success at times.

One famous example of an international marketing disaster is the time
that GM decided to market the Nova in South America. I guess they didn't
have any hispanics on their marketing team, or they would have picked up on
the fact that "Nova" can be translated in Spanish as "No Go", and they
probably would have taken the simple step of marketing the car under a
different name! Needless to say, they sold few "No Gos" in South America.

Vaughn


>
> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
> 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
>
> The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
> the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb --image can mean everything
>
>

[Chuck Scrivner]

Re: FAA (US)
Thread : Number 19 of 74 in thread
Author : Adp >
Date/Time: 21:18 18 August 2003
Wrote;
A motor glider is NOT a powered Aircraft!!!! It is
a glider with a motor.
Check your airworthiness certificate. It says GLIDER.
No rule applicable to powered aircraft is applicable
to a Motor Glider. Let me say it one more time, a motor
glider is a GLIDER with a Motor and is NOT a powered
aircraft. Write it 1000 times, a motor glider is a
GLIDER!
Allan
*********
Chuck Writes;
This has been very interesting discussion of the ELT
requirements related to Motorgliders. And much was
written related to the regulations.

The SSA Governmental Liaison responds with the correct
interpretation below (referenced web link provided)
From the SSA;
Frequent Questions
3/6/2002

SSA GOVERNMENT LIAISON
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
(March 6, 2002)

DOES MY GLIDER OR MOTORGLIDER REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY
LOCATOR TRANSMITTER (ELT) ?

NO.
FAR 91.207(a) states that the EMERGENCY locator transmitters
must be carried aboard U. S. registered civil AIRPLANES.
Gliders and motorgliders carry a U.S. airworthiness
certificate that states 'Glider' and therefore are
not affected by this rule.

http://www.ssa.org/ListGovtNewsDetail.asp?Action=&id=26

But, lets not stop there related to definitions, regulations
and requirements.



My focus is upon Private Glider Pilot-in fixed wing
experimental
aircraft as an alternative to the Sport Pilot initiative
with it's focus on no medical required.
>
> The Private Glider Pilot Certificate is already available
>to the pilot that is unable to obtain a medical, but
still wants to fly.

> It appears that these privileges AND AIRCRAFT capabilities
>are far greater than those offered by the Sport Pilot
Proposal. And, the Infrastructure for training and
certification is already in place.
>
> These greater privileges include;

> no medical (self cert) (Sport requires State Driver
>license)

> no weight restriction (Sport = 1235lbs Gross)

> no passenger restriction (surprised?) (Sport = 2 px)

> no speed restriction (Sport =132mph)

> no restriction on retractable gear (Sport =restricted)

> no restriction of in-flight adjustable prop. (Sport
>= restricted)

> no multi engine or type restriction (Sport = single
>engine )

> no altitude restrictions (including Class A windows)
> (Sport
> =10,000ft)

> no airspace restrictions (Sport = Endorsement required
>-

> no ELT requirements (Sport = for more than one
>seat - required -

> no transponder requirement in Mode-C veil (Sport
>= required -)

> flight at night permitted (Sport = Restricted to
>Day VFR with
> greater visibility requirements : 3 mile Class G)

> Transitional training for Private Pilot serves as
>BFR and is only 3 hours

> Minimum new Glider student Training hours =10. (Sport
>= 17hours)

> Recognised by IOAC - Sport and Rec.Pilot not recognised

> Flight outside US borders permited - Sport/Rec. =no

> No make/model endorsement requirements. (Sport = requires
endorsement for EACH make and model)
>
> (Make and model endorsement required of all Private
>Pilots
> flying under Sport Privileges without a medical)
>
> No Tailwheel endorsement required (Sport = standards
>set within the FAR's)

> No endorsement for 'complex' operations - (Variable
>pitch prop, retract gear, flaps) Sport = don't even
think about it

> No endorsement for 'high performance' Glider (greater
>than 200 HP.) Part 61.31(e) (f)
>
> (if you doubt any of these findings, please site the
>appropriate FAR that contradicts.
>
> Within the regulations for certification/registration
>of
EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, (Special Airworthiness) there
are no minimum requirements related to the designs,
flight characteristics, weight or configuration for
the registration/airworthyness certifications of an
EXPERIMENTAL > glider (motorglider...motor does not
>appear on the registration)
>
> Therefore, I think it very possible to register any
>experimental aircraft as experimental glider and enjoy
all of the privileges associated with that pilot certification.

>
> As an example of one such registration, I submit the
>following,
>
> A Quicksilver MXII Ultralight trainer. -
> BURNS JOHN M III
> Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
> Manufacturer : BURNS JOHN M III
> Model Name : QCKSLVR MX 2 SPRINT
> Aircraft Type : Glider
> N-number : N62538
> Engine Type : Reciprocating
> Aircraft Category : Land
> Number of Engines : 1
> Number of Seats : 2
> Max. Gross Weight : Less than 12,500 lbs
> Amateur Certification : Yes
> Aircraft Code : 05607UQ
>
> AND
> Burt Rutan's 16 ft wing span, rocket powered -
> SpaceShipOne rocket-propelled glider
>
> http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2003/July/150
>
> 'the current craft, expected to be certified as an
>'experimental research and development glider,' could
not see commercial service, (because of it's experimental
registration) but Rutan considers it a 'subscale proof-of-concept
design for a ten-person spacecraft'more suitable for
a tourist venture.
>
>
> Below is the FAA web site for the certification of
>aircraft
>
> http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
>
> It is primarily broken down into 'Standard Airworthiness'
>
> (manufactured)

> And 'Special Airworthyness' (homebuilt/experimental)
>
> Under STANDARD AIRWORTINESS, 'guidelines' are given
>to manufactures of aircraft, including gliders.
>
> WITHIN this STANDARD AIRWORTHINESS area is -> FAA Advisory
>>Circular 21.17-2A,
Type Certification - Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes)
Including Powered Gliders. (MANUFACTURED type certificated)
>
> Please click on the pdf. file and note the 'guidelines'
>for
> MANUFACTURED gliders...ie 'maximum' (what ever that
>is) weight divided by wingspan Sq. must be less that
0.62 '
> and maximum seats - 2

> This ADVISORY CIRCULAR is to be used as a GUIDELINE
>for the manufacture of STANDARD airworthiness aircraft
(gliders) -
> FAA Advisory Circular 21.17-2A, Type Certification
>- Fixed Wing Gliders (Sailplanes) Including Powered
Gliders.
>
> It is interesting to note, that the Schweitser SGS
>2-33 is
> certificated for 3 passengers.....When the guidelines
>call out for 2 passengers.......Hence, 'guidlines'...not
regulations

Under SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS, guidelines are given
for all other aircraft that are NOT 'STANDARD' ie.
Experimental, Primary Category restricted, limited,
special use.
>
> Within the SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS guidelines, FAA states
>that their intent is not to certify or restrict the
types of designs that an 'experimental' builder might
use.
>
>
> AGAIN, the address is -
> http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
>
> AND the document will appear - Airworthiness Certification
>FAQ
> Standard Airworthiness Certificate:
> http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
> Normal Category
> Utility Category
> Acrobatic Category
> Commuter Category
> Transport Category
> Manned Free Balloons
> Special Classes of Aircraft
>
>
> Special Airworthiness Certificate:
> http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
>
> Primary Category
> Restricted Category
> Limited Category
> Provisional Category
> Special Flight Permits
> Experimental Category
> Multiple Certificates
> Special Flight Authorization
> Export Approvals
> Import Approvals
>
> Another interesting finding, An Airplane is required
>to have
> wings....A glider is not required to have wings...only
>'lifting
> surfaces' See definitions in Part 1 of FAR's
>
> Your input is welcomed
> Chuck

[[email protected]]

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
> I didn't mention SINUS.....
> cause mine are in good shape.
>
> However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> the difference between disaster and success at times.
>
> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
> 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
>
> The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
> the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.

Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
mantra.
Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???

Rick P.

[Rich Carr]

X-No-Archive: yes
"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message >...
>
> One famous example of an international marketing disaster is the time
> that GM decided to market the Nova in South America. I guess they didn't
> have any hispanics on their marketing team, or they would have picked up on
> the fact that "Nova" can be translated in Spanish as "No Go", and they
> probably would have taken the simple step of marketing the car under a
> different name! Needless to say, they sold few "No Gos" in South America.
>
> Vaughn

Not according to Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

- Rich Carr

[Robertmudd1u]

In article >, Barnyard BOb --
> writes:

>You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
>Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
>

All such thoughts will go away when you fly one. They are very nice flying
motorgliders, easy to land too. As far as I could tell the advertized
performance figures are met.

Robert Mudd

[Vaughn]

"Rich Carr" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Not according to Snopes.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with the
hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The fact
that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not, draw
much water.

Vaughn

[Tim]

comments read:

>
>
>Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
> > I didn't mention SINUS.....
> > cause mine are in good shape.
> >
> > However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> > looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> > contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> > the difference between disaster and success at times.
> >
> > 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
> > 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> > 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> > animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
> >
> > The guffaws have started ringing loud and clear throughout
> > the aviation land already. Good thing this isn't baseball.
>
>Brings to mind the "WANG" computer.
>In the computer world, "smaller, faster, cheaper" has always been the
>mantra.
>Now who in the hell would want a smaller, faster, cheaper Wang???

And let us not forget their "Cares" campaign with the "Wang Cares"
T-shirts ;-)
--
Tim - ASW20CL "20"

[Gig Giacona]

"Vaughn" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rich Carr" > wrote in message
> om...
> >
> > Not according to Snopes.
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
>
> Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with the
> hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The
fact
> that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not,
draw
> much water.
>
> Vaughn
>

Did you actually read the Snopes article? They hardly rely only on GM's
"official" history in the debunking of the legend.

[Vaughn]

"Gig Giacona" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Vaughn" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Rich Carr" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >
> > > Not according to Snopes.
> > >
> > > http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
> >
> > Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with
the
> > hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The
> fact
> > that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not,
> draw
> > much water.
> >
> > Vaughn
> >
>
> Did you actually read the Snopes article? They hardly rely only on GM's
> "official" history in the debunking of the legend.

Yes I did, and I frankly did not find much of it persuasive, it felt
more like revisionism than debunking. That said, on rereading my previous
post I find it harsher than I intended. Could a story so widely taught in
our business schools be bunk? Yes it could! Would GM want to squelch such
a story regardless of its veracity? Yes they would! The Snopes article in
and of itself simply did little to convince me one way or the other.

Vaughn


>
>

[Fred the Red Shirt]

"Vaughn" > wrote in message >...
> "Gig Giacona" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Vaughn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Rich Carr" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > >
> > > > Not according to Snopes.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
> > >
> > > Snopes can go work it out with my Marketing professor...and with
> the
> > > hispanic who works for me who claims that the story is quite true. The
> fact
> > > that GM denies it in their "official" history does not, nor should not,
> draw
> > > much water.
> > >
> > > Vaughn
> > >
> >
> > Did you actually read the Snopes article? They hardly rely only on GM's
> > "official" history in the debunking of the legend.
>
> Yes I did, and I frankly did not find much of it persuasive, it felt
> more like revisionism than debunking. That said, on rereading my previous
> post I find it harsher than I intended. Could a story so widely taught in
> our business schools be bunk? Yes it could! Would GM want to squelch such
> a story regardless of its veracity? Yes they would! The Snopes article in
> and of itself simply did little to convince me one way or the other.
>

Naming a car for an explosion does not seem to be really swift to
begin with. That said, isn't the Spanish word for 'nova', also
'nova'? After all, 'nova' came into English directly from Latin in
modern times.

Why don't you ask your hispanic emoployee about that, and also what the
Spanish word is for 'supernova'.

--

FF

[Fred the Red Shirt]

Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message >...
> >>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus and
> >>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >VIRUS motorgliders ???
> >
> >You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
> >Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
> >
> >
> >Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
>
>
> P.S.
> I didn't mention SINUS.....
> cause mine are in good shape.
>
> However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> the difference between disaster and success at times.

You mean like GM's electric car--the Impact?

Or that ladies' jogging shoe--the Incubus?

Or the diet lozenge Ayds?

>
> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.

IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
and is the generic German word for 'bat'.

> 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
>

--

FF

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Fred the Red Shirt > wrote:
>
>
>Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message
>...
>
[[.. munch ..]]
>>
>> 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
>
>IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
>and is the generic German word for 'bat'.

If anybody cares, it's "Fliedermaus", from the words for 'flying' and
'mouse' -- standard Germanic 'cram the component words together into
a single word' construction. :)

And, yeah, it is the word for 'bat' (of the animal variety only -- not
used for the baseball or cricket implement :)

[swedeflyer]

Went to Europe last year, how about these car names:

Lemon
Lupo
Twingo
Evasion
Scenic
Picnic
Sunny
Clio

Check this web page out for a look at some of these cars:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cindysef/cars.htm

[Fr. John Elledge]

The German is spelled "fledermaus" and pronounced "FLAY-der-maus."

Fr. John the Guy with the Shirt on Backwards Sometimes


"Fred the Red Shirt" > wrote in message
om...
> Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message
>...
> > >>We have just published the latest newsletter for the Pipistrel Sinus
and
> > >>Virus Motorgliders manufactured in Slovenia.
> > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >VIRUS motorgliders ???
> > >
> > >You too can be the envy of the tea party when you tell 'em...
> > >Ya got a.... VIRUS in Slovenia. <g>
> > >
> > >
> > >Barnyard BOb- not from Madison Avenue
> >
> >
> > P.S.
> > I didn't mention SINUS.....
> > cause mine are in good shape.
> >
> > However, it might be worth noting that anyone
> > looking to market a product in the USA or elsewhere...
> > contemplate/research names very carefully. It can spell
> > the difference between disaster and success at times.
>
> You mean like GM's electric car--the Impact?
>
> Or that ladies' jogging shoe--the Incubus?
>
> Or the diet lozenge Ayds?
>
> >
> > 1 = pipistrel - small european bat also known as a flittermouse.
>
> IIUC Flittermouse or fleddermouse, litterally means 'flying mouse'
> and is the generic German word for 'bat'.
>
> > 2 = Sinus - Pathology, A fistula leading from a pus-filled cavity.
> > 3 = Virus - Various simple submicroscopic parasites of plants,
> > animals, and bacteria that often cause disease.
> >
>
> --
>
> FF