Re: ELT in LS8-b

[Ole John Aske]

"Chris" <none@none> wrote in message
y.telekom.at...
> I have to install an ELT in a LS8-b and have the problem that the
> fuselage is made out of carbon fiber which shields the radio
> waves from the ELT.
>
> DG (now owner of LS) only made the suggestion of an external
> (fin) antenna which looks really ugly and could be easily damaged
> in an accident.
>
> So I would like to ask how others have solved that problem.
>
> Christian
>
>

I had mine installed by Rolladen Schneider. The ELT itself (ACK)
is installed in its own room on the right side of the backrest. - Much like
the room for the O2 bottle on the left side.

The ELT antenna is mounted on the metall frame of the hinged instrument
panel,
just behind the instruments, with an antenna cable along the bottom of
fuselage.
This arrangement is not foolproof, as you may risk that
the antenna cable will be broken in a crash. However, I suspect that
in this case you want be missing it .......

Ole John (#8415)

[Eric Greenwell]

In article <3f66c0f5$0$27490$91cee783
@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>, none@none says...
> I have to install an ELT in a LS8-b and have the problem that the
> fuselage is made out of carbon fiber which shields the radio
> waves from the ELT.

Even the area above the baggage compartment? Most gliders use
fiberglass here so GPS or ELT can be mounted there.

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Eric Greenwell
Richland, WA (USA)

[Chris]

> > I have to install an ELT in a LS8-b and have the problem that
the
> > fuselage is made out of carbon fiber which shields the radio
> > waves from the ELT.
>
> Even the area above the baggage compartment? Most gliders use
> fiberglass here so GPS or ELT can be mounted there.

I will check that out with DG.

Christian

[Duane Eisenbeiss]

> > Even the area above the baggage compartment? Most gliders use
> > fiberglass here so GPS or ELT can be mounted there.
>
> I will check that out with DG.
>
> Christian
>
You can check it out yourself with a light bulb. The light will not shine
through a carbon fiber structure.

Duane

[Chris]

> am I missing some thing here? why the "Have to" have an ELT
mounted..
>
> no required in the USA (as far as I know)

An ELT 'is' required here in Austria.

Christian

[Stefan]

BTIZ wrote:
>
> am I missing some thing here? why the "Have to" have an ELT mounted..
>
> no required in the USA (as far as I know)

You are missing that there's life outside the USA.

Stefan

[Shaber CJ]

>You are missing that there's life outside the USA.
>

I think this is a problem imbedded in our educational system (USA). For
instance George Bush grew up wealth (trust fund baby), his father was
ambassador to China and the poor rich kid never left the country until he was
president. No intellectual curiosity, C minus student.

Travel is a great education! So is speaking to other peoples in their native
tongue. (Even if they have to help you speak their tongue). When I first
traveled to an eastern block country I was amazed at how much disinformation
our ministry of information had polluted the American public with. On a
lighter note the same is true with France. I found the French to be very warm
and friendly, I just did not require them to speak English to me. If you get
to know your enemy he may not really be your enemy.

Craig Shaber

[Nils Høimyr]

Consider also the possibility of reaching the ELT so that you can switch
it on manually. (You may also install a remote control cable.) In the
case the ELT does NOT go off and you are stuck in the glider wreck with
a number of broken bones this may save your life.

(It is also handy if you need to switch it off in a hurry....;o)

Nils

Chris wrote:
>
> I have to install an ELT in a LS8-b and have the problem that the
> fuselage is made out of carbon fiber which shields the radio
> waves from the ELT.
>
> DG (now owner of LS) only made the suggestion of an external
> (fin) antenna which looks really ugly and could be easily damaged
> in an accident.
>
> So I would like to ask how others have solved that problem.
>
> Christian

[Eric Greenwell]

In article >,
says...
> Consider also the possibility of reaching the ELT so that you can switch
> it on manually. (You may also install a remote control cable.) In the
> case the ELT does NOT go off and you are stuck in the glider wreck with
> a number of broken bones this may save your life.
>
> (It is also handy if you need to switch it off in a hurry....;o)

Does Austria require the ELT be mounted to the glider, or would a
"personal" ELT strapped to the pilot suffice? There are some of these
that seem very interesting.
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[BTIZ]

that's what is so interesting about these posts... no one ever tell where
they are from.. and some times the URL trail does not give it away..

BT

"Shaber CJ" > wrote in message
...
> >You are missing that there's life outside the USA.
> >
>
> I think this is a problem imbedded in our educational system (USA). For
> instance George Bush grew up wealth (trust fund baby), his father was
> ambassador to China and the poor rich kid never left the country until he
was
> president. No intellectual curiosity, C minus student.
>
> Travel is a great education! So is speaking to other peoples in their
native
> tongue. (Even if they have to help you speak their tongue). When I first
> traveled to an eastern block country I was amazed at how much
disinformation
> our ministry of information had polluted the American public with. On a
> lighter note the same is true with France. I found the French to be very
warm
> and friendly, I just did not require them to speak English to me. If you
get
> to know your enemy he may not really be your enemy.
>
> Craig Shaber

[Chris]

> Does Austria require the ELT be mounted to the glider, or would
> a "personal" ELT strapped to the pilot suffice?

Not sure about that. But as it is a club machine, our club
commitee requires that as much instruments (hardware) as possible
are fixated in the glider (guess why ;)

Christian

[Robertmudd1u]

In article >,
(Shaber CJ) writes:

> When I first
>traveled to an eastern block country I was amazed at how much disinformation
>our ministry of information had polluted the American public with.

I lived in Lithuania from Jan. 1995 to Oct.1999, this was just a few years
after they had declared their independence from the Soviet Union. I was amazed
at how the U.S. education system and official U.S. information understated the
problems these people had to deal with and the brutality of the Soviet system.
Life there was far harsher, lacking of many of what we consider necessities of
life, than I was prepared for or could have imagined. Bananas had been
considered an exotic fruit because they were so rarely found in the stores,
toilet paper, well that is another story. Construction standards for housing
did not exist, simple safety precautions we take for granted did not exist. I
could go on and on.

These people suffered horrors and deprivation under the Soviet system that we
still can not understand. The people themselves were warm and wonderful to
know, but the system they had lived under for 50+ years was rotten to the core
and no wimpy revisionist history ****** can change that.

Robert Mudd

[Shaber CJ]

>From: Jack
>Date: 9/17/2003 11:07 PM Pacific
>
>Of course, unlike the natives of those Eastern Block nations, you were
>completely immune to _their_ ministry's disinformation and so were suddenly
>and magically able to see the truth on both sides of the "iron curtain" --
>certainly a unique and desirable position. ...

Jack your comments suppose much that I did not say. I did not make any
comments about Eastern Block governments rather about the people. I can see
the truth because I have seen with my own eyes not what some government
official wants me to believe. Are you not reading the current headlines in the
news?

I am a loyal American, but I am not a sheep, I am capable of critical thought.

Craig Shaber

[Shaber CJ]

>The people themselves were warm and wonderful to
>know, but the system they had lived under for 50+ years was rotten to the
>core
>and no wimpy revisionist history ****** can change that.
>
>Robert Mudd
>
Robert,

I think how you clipped my email address means that you are referencing me as a
"wimpy revisionist history ******". Robert I do agree with your comments about
the system the former USSR people lived under. Public safety that we take for
the norm just does not exist there. However the people are beautiful, well
educated family orientated and wonderful. They do not hate us and they are not
godless. I grew up in the cold war hearing about the obese women and the
godless commies. They are people just like us but thinner and for the most
part better educated and more open minded.

As for my reference about our ministry of disinformation, I need only reference
today's headlines from the San Diego Union Tribune for an example. The two
headlines at the bottom of the front page and associated stories.

Craig Shaber

[Stefan]

Jack wrote:
>
> Then by all means tell us more.

No! Please, *please* don't, at least not in this group!

Stefan