15 meter version of ETA

[Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas]

See it fly:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOy_RnaymL0

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On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 6:19:14 AM UTC-7, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
> See it fly:
> https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOy_RnaymL0

amazing what those scale modelers are doing these days!

[Craig Funston]

On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 2:29:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 6:19:14 AM UTC-7, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
> > See it fly:
> > https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOy_RnaymL0
>
> amazing what those scale modelers are doing these days!

It's pretty impressive, but design is easier when you don't have to carry around a 70 kg lump of meat. :-)

Craig

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

You can find many videos of a 1/3 scale B-17 undergoing taxi tests. Yes they are incredible, but I want to fly so the RC has no appeal to me. Several times the local RC club guys would come at to my gliderport for some real flying when it was not right conditions to fly the RC. It always amazed me (I have never flown R/C) that these guys always thought they were pilots and flying a real aircraft would be just like the R/C. I usually went about my own business then, have no idea if they are right, but I suspect real pilotage is much different that R/C.




On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 3:11:56 PM UTC-7, Craig Funston wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 2:29:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 6:19:14 AM UTC-7, Burt Compton - Marfa Gliders, west Texas wrote:
> > > See it fly:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOy_RnaymL0
> >
> > amazing what those scale modelers are doing these days!
>
> It's pretty impressive, but design is easier when you don't have to carry around a 70 kg lump of meat. :-)
>
> Craig

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I've flown a lot of RC, and it was always funny when full-scale pilots showed up at the field and thought that flying RC would be just like flying "real airplanes". They invariably failed with hilarious results. I can tell you that learning to fly RC is much harder than learning to fly full-scale, at least in terms of stick-and-rudder skills. RC aircraft are far less stable, and you need to be able to mentally flip your control axes when the aircraft is flying toward you. Go to YouTube and search for RC 3D aerobatics, and you will gain a new respect for RC pilots.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 4:06:39 AM UTC+3, wrote:
> I've flown a lot of RC, and it was always funny when full-scale pilots showed up at the field and thought that flying RC would be just like flying "real airplanes". They invariably failed with hilarious results. I can tell you that learning to fly RC is much harder than learning to fly full-scale, at least in terms of stick-and-rudder skills. RC aircraft are far less stable, and you need to be able to mentally flip your control axes when the aircraft is flying toward you. Go to YouTube and search for RC 3D aerobatics, and you will gain a new respect for RC pilots.

I've tried friends' RC planes and choppers a few times and didn't find it all that hard. Maybe because I've spent a bit of time in Condor and other SIMs doing circuits and stuff from "Control Tower" view.

The funny thing though is the number of super experienced RC pilots who flat out refuse any offer of a ride/trial lesson in "full scale" (as they call it).

[Dan Marotta]

Back in the early 70s when I was a student pilot, I decided to fly RC,
too. I bought and built a kit radio and a kit plane and took them to
the local RC field.

I was a jet pilot! I can fly anything! This will be easy! Why are all
the other planes painted a different color on top than on the bottom? I
soon learned... Every "landing" I ever made was straight down at full
power and resulted in a complete rebuild. Hmmmmmm... Maybe there's some
skill required after all?

Dan

On 10/29/2016 7:06 PM, wrote:
> I've flown a lot of RC, and it was always funny when full-scale pilots showed up at the field and thought that flying RC would be just like flying "real airplanes". They invariably failed with hilarious results. I can tell you that learning to fly RC is much harder than learning to fly full-scale, at least in terms of stick-and-rudder skills. RC aircraft are far less stable, and you need to be able to mentally flip your control axes when the aircraft is flying toward you. Go to YouTube and search for RC 3D aerobatics, and you will gain a new respect for RC pilots.

--
Dan, 5J

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

I am sure there is a lot of skill required to fly RC, but does it transfer. I played a lot of "Leisure Suit Larry" back in the day, but not sure that helped me either!

On a real note I did take a crack RC helicopter guy flying in a helicopter, he could not be trued without a tight guard on the cyclic, i.e., he didn't know sh!t about flying a helicopter.

Jon

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 10:24:52 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Back in the early 70s when I was a student pilot, I decided to fly RC,
> too. I bought and built a kit radio and a kit plane and took them to
> the local RC field.
>
> I was a jet pilot! I can fly anything! This will be easy! Why are all
> the other planes painted a different color on top than on the bottom? I
> soon learned... Every "landing" I ever made was straight down at full
> power and resulted in a complete rebuild. Hmmmmmm... Maybe there's some
> skill required after all?
>
> Dan
>

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:21:56 PM UTC+3, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> I am sure there is a lot of skill required to fly RC, but does it transfer. I played a lot of "Leisure Suit Larry" back in the day, but not sure that helped me either!
>
> On a real note I did take a crack RC helicopter guy flying in a helicopter, he could not be trued without a tight guard on the cyclic, i.e., he didn't know sh!t about flying a helicopter.

As long as he wasn't pumping the collective from top to bottom and back twice a second...

Those guys don't fly as much as overpower the air.

RC glider guys at least are working mostly within the same kind of constraints as we are. Except flutter and G loadings.

[Pete[_9_]]

If you haven't tried your hand at R/C it's worth doing. catching a thermal at 200 ft and working the plane up with circling birds is not to be missed!

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I built my first rc plane when I was 10. Taught myself to fly it too, 'can't say the same for full scale.
I agree with the above post, Rc soaring is great fun.

[ND]

am i the only one who would LOVE to do a cross country lead and follow in a two-seater, having the guy in the back fly the RC ETA with maybe like a first person camera in the cockpit for those times when you can't quite keep it in view?

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On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 3:44:00 PM UTC, ND wrote:
> am i the only one who would LOVE to do a cross country lead and follow in a two-seater, having the guy in the back fly the RC ETA with maybe like a first person camera in the cockpit for those times when you can't quite keep it in view?

Hmm - not sure that lead and follow flying would be easy. Assuming the wing area is approximately 1/4 of the the ETA's 18.61m2 then, with a weight of 40kg, the wing loading of the model must be somewhere around 8.6 kg/m2. There would be something of a speed mis-match