Wax group/South African World's video scammer/non-delivery of goods

[John]

Anyone out there that can lend a hand with the non-delivery of the video?

Anyone out there actually received the promised video and/or book?

I sent a credit card payment in good faith well over a year ago, and
haven't received a thing.

Some contact with Carol Clifford and her attempts to help have yielded
nothing, although appreciated her effort. She said that the situation was
an embarrassment to the SASA, and that they were attempting to chase the
guy down. So far, he's proven as tough to get as Osama Bin Laden.

How about it, South African Soaring Society??? What gives?


Would appreciate anyone else with similar situation to post here, or if you
got the video, let us know that, too.



Thanks,

John Bojack
Atlanta, GA
USA

[Marcel Duenner]

I know someone who got it. About two or three months ago I think.
I'll tell him.

Regards
Marcel

[Gary Kemp]

I finally got one after much hastle about 4-5 months ago......however
it was in PAL format, therefore not usable on USA machines. Have a
local guy that converted it for me. Keep in mind that Carol and the
local organization had nothing to do with the video.....it was a South
African commercial organization that did the work

Gary

"John" > wrote in message t>...
> Anyone out there that can lend a hand with the non-delivery of the video?
>
> Anyone out there actually received the promised video and/or book?
>
> I sent a credit card payment in good faith well over a year ago, and
> haven't received a thing.
>
> Some contact with Carol Clifford and her attempts to help have yielded
> nothing, although appreciated her effort. She said that the situation was
> an embarrassment to the SASA, and that they were attempting to chase the
> guy down. So far, he's proven as tough to get as Osama Bin Laden.
>
> How about it, South African Soaring Society??? What gives?
>
>
> Would appreciate anyone else with similar situation to post here, or if you
> got the video, let us know that, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Bojack
> Atlanta, GA
> USA

[tango4]

Sorry Gary but that is a cop-out. The SSSA sanctioned and organised the
event and were responsible for awarding the rights to the commercial company
that was supposed to make the video. To my mind they should have controlled
the funds going to the company with some form of guarantee. This little
eposode really has disillusioned me and I am an ex 'South African'!

PS: Is the video any good?

Ian


"Gary Kemp" > wrote in message
m...
> I finally got one after much hastle about 4-5 months ago......however
> it was in PAL format, therefore not usable on USA machines. Have a
> local guy that converted it for me. Keep in mind that Carol and the
> local organization had nothing to do with the video.....it was a South
> African commercial organization that did the work
>
> Gary
>
> "John" > wrote in message
t>...
> > Anyone out there that can lend a hand with the non-delivery of the
video?
> >
> > Anyone out there actually received the promised video and/or book?
> >
> > I sent a credit card payment in good faith well over a year ago, and
> > haven't received a thing.
> >
> > Some contact with Carol Clifford and her attempts to help have yielded
> > nothing, although appreciated her effort. She said that the situation
was
> > an embarrassment to the SASA, and that they were attempting to chase
the
> > guy down. So far, he's proven as tough to get as Osama Bin Laden.
> >
> > How about it, South African Soaring Society??? What gives?
> >
> >
> > Would appreciate anyone else with similar situation to post here, or if
you
> > got the video, let us know that, too.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Bojack
> > Atlanta, GA
> > USA

[Gary Kemp]

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt. I think the video is
good, very good scenes of finishes and gaggles and good commentary by
pilots and staff. A little long piece on Beatty (i think) talking
about his ground breaking designs of the 60's and 70's.

Gary
"tango4" > wrote in message >...
> Sorry Gary but that is a cop-out. The SSSA sanctioned and organised the
> event and were responsible for awarding the rights to the commercial company
> that was supposed to make the video. To my mind they should have controlled
> the funds going to the company with some form of guarantee. This little
> eposode really has disillusioned me and I am an ex 'South African'!
>
> PS: Is the video any good?
>
> Ian
>
>
> "Gary Kemp" > wrote in message
> m...
> > I finally got one after much hastle about 4-5 months ago......however
> > it was in PAL format, therefore not usable on USA machines. Have a
> > local guy that converted it for me. Keep in mind that Carol and the
> > local organization had nothing to do with the video.....it was a South
> > African commercial organization that did the work
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > "John" > wrote in message
> t>...
> > > Anyone out there that can lend a hand with the non-delivery of the
> video?
> > >
> > > Anyone out there actually received the promised video and/or book?
> > >
> > > I sent a credit card payment in good faith well over a year ago, and
> > > haven't received a thing.
> > >
> > > Some contact with Carol Clifford and her attempts to help have yielded
> > > nothing, although appreciated her effort. She said that the situation
> was
> > > an embarrassment to the SASA, and that they were attempting to chase
> the
> > > guy down. So far, he's proven as tough to get as Osama Bin Laden.
> > >
> > > How about it, South African Soaring Society??? What gives?
> > >
> > >
> > > Would appreciate anyone else with similar situation to post here, or if
> you
> > > got the video, let us know that, too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John Bojack
> > > Atlanta, GA
> > > USA

[John]

So, do I understand the situation to be hopeless, dead-in-the-water.....and
that the SSSA has walked away from intervening?

I'd also like to commend the "wax group" (whatever the hell that's supposed
to be), for not ever even answering my emails to them. Evidently they're
the S. African counterpart for our PayPal organization in that they're more
than happy to make the commissions off converting credit card payments, but
refuse any responsibility.

Whatever!

John Bojack "J4"
Atlanta, GA
USA

"Gary Kemp" > wrote in message
m...
> I usually give people the benefit of the doubt. I think the video is
> good, very good scenes of finishes and gaggles and good commentary by
> pilots and staff. A little long piece on Beatty (i think) talking
> about his ground breaking designs of the 60's and 70's.
>
> Gary
> "tango4" > wrote in message
>...
> > Sorry Gary but that is a cop-out. The SSSA sanctioned and organised the
> > event and were responsible for awarding the rights to the commercial
company
> > that was supposed to make the video. To my mind they should have
controlled
> > the funds going to the company with some form of guarantee. This little
> > eposode really has disillusioned me and I am an ex 'South African'!
> >
> > PS: Is the video any good?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > "Gary Kemp" > wrote in message
> > m...
> > > I finally got one after much hastle about 4-5 months ago......however
> > > it was in PAL format, therefore not usable on USA machines. Have a
> > > local guy that converted it for me. Keep in mind that Carol and the
> > > local organization had nothing to do with the video.....it was a South
> > > African commercial organization that did the work
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > "John" > wrote in message
> > t>...
> > > > Anyone out there that can lend a hand with the non-delivery of the
> > video?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there actually received the promised video and/or book?
> > > >
> > > > I sent a credit card payment in good faith well over a year ago,
and
> > > > haven't received a thing.
> > > >
> > > > Some contact with Carol Clifford and her attempts to help have
yielded
> > > > nothing, although appreciated her effort. She said that the
situation
> > was
> > > > an embarrassment to the SASA, and that they were attempting to
chase
> > the
> > > > guy down. So far, he's proven as tough to get as Osama Bin
Laden.
> > > >
> > > > How about it, South African Soaring Society??? What gives?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Would appreciate anyone else with similar situation to post here,
or if
> > you
> > > > got the video, let us know that, too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > John Bojack
> > > > Atlanta, GA
> > > > USA

[tango4]

"John" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> So, do I understand the situation to be hopeless,
dead-in-the-water.....and
> that the SSSA has walked away from intervening?

Looks like it to me!

> I'd also like to commend the "wax group" (whatever the hell that's
supposed
> to be), for not ever even answering my emails to them. Evidently they're
> the S. African counterpart for our PayPal organization in that they're
more
> than happy to make the commissions off converting credit card payments,
but
> refuse any responsibility.
>
> Whatever!
>

Ian