Phantom flights?

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I'm not the OLC police, but these flights are extremely odd. Taking off with an ASH-25 from Lost River Resort, even with a 260 Pawnee would be sketchy. Self launch is out of the question. (Especially when the airfield is covered with snow) Also, None of the N numbers on this fellow's stable of gliders exist. The anomalous logger fault reports further bring the flights into question. Are people logging Condor flights on OLC?
http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightbook.html?st=olcp&rt=olc&pi=57815&sp=2016

A couple of curious flights here as well. Especially the ASW-20 flight.
http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=983686453

Anyway, maybe somebody can shed some light on these seemingly questionable flights? I love a good mystery....

Greetings from rainy NW Washington State.

Ron Clark
LS-3
77

[Josh Fletcher]

I am not saying they are real flights, but Condor does not have an ASH25 or ASW20 in its aircraft packs.

Josh

[ND]

what's so dubious about the ash 25 flights? this airport looks like it's 3000 feet long and situated at an elevation of 2500 feet MSL. that should be plenty especially with a headwind. At harris hill, we used to have a 25 go out with two pilots behind a 235 pawnee in the heat of summer. our field elevation is 1700, and our runway is 1800 feet long...

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 12:39:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> I'm not the OLC police, but these flights are extremely odd. Taking off with an ASH-25 from Lost River Resort, even with a 260 Pawnee would be sketchy. Self launch is out of the question. (Especially when the airfield is covered with snow) Also, None of the N numbers on this fellow's stable of gliders exist. The anomalous logger fault reports further bring the flights into question. Are people logging Condor flights on OLC?
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightbook.html?st=olcp&rt=olc&pi=57815&sp=2016
>
> A couple of curious flights here as well. Especially the ASW-20 flight.
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=983686453
>
> Anyway, maybe somebody can shed some light on these seemingly questionable flights? I love a good mystery....
>
> Greetings from rainy NW Washington State.
>
> Ron Clark
> LS-3
> 77

what's so dubious about the ash 25 flights? this airport looks like it's 3000 feet long and situated at an elevation of 2500 feet MSL. that should be plenty especially with a headwind. At harris hill, we used to have a 25 go out with two pilots behind a 235 pawnee in the heat of summer. our field elevation is 1700, and our runway is 1800 feet long...

[ND]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 12:39:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> I'm not the OLC police, but these flights are extremely odd. Taking off with an ASH-25 from Lost River Resort, even with a 260 Pawnee would be sketchy. Self launch is out of the question. (Especially when the airfield is covered with snow) Also, None of the N numbers on this fellow's stable of gliders exist. The anomalous logger fault reports further bring the flights into question. Are people logging Condor flights on OLC?
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightbook.html?st=olcp&rt=olc&pi=57815&sp=2016
>
> A couple of curious flights here as well. Especially the ASW-20 flight.
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=983686453
>
> Anyway, maybe somebody can shed some light on these seemingly questionable flights? I love a good mystery....
>
> Greetings from rainy NW Washington State.
>
> Ron Clark
> LS-3
> 77

ok, so i watched the ASW 20 flight and i think i agree. no one would fly like that. this is either fake, or this person has huge cajones and a death wish. even so, some parts of the trace seem unusual as far as being able to just maintain altitude like that.

[Craig Reinholt]

And the 20's N number has been registered to a Cirrus SR22 for many years...

[WAVEGURU]

Yes Ron, it's weird that none of the N numbers are real. He posts comments like they are real flights. But what is real and what is fake these days? Facts and reality don't seem to matter anymore, eh? Does anybody know this Alex Krauss? I am not able to find him on Facebook and he's not a SSA member....

Boggs
SSA #22707
https://www.facebook.com/NWSkysports?ref=hl#

[WAVEGURU]

His standard Libelle is a Lake LA-4.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=7632l

Boggs

[Dan Marotta]

Wow! Not on Facebook, therefore he can't exist. Wait... I must not
exist, either...

On 11/15/2016 8:55 AM, Waveguru wrote:
> Yes Ron, it's weird that none of the N numbers are real. He posts comments like they are real flights. But what is real and what is fake these days? Facts and reality don't seem to matter anymore, eh? Does anybody know this Alex Krauss? I am not able to find him on Facebook and he's not a SSA member...
>
> Boggs
> SSA #22707
> https://www.facebook.com/NWSkysports?ref=hl#

--
Dan, 5J

[[email protected]]

Also, Lost River airport has a published width of 85 feet. Same width as the ASH-25's span. It is extremely unlikely these flights ever happened.

Alex should find some other way to entertain himself.

RC

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

I used to fly a Nimbus 4 off a 60 foot wide runway. Your statement assumes much without a logical conclusion.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 10:45:24 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Also, Lost River airport has a published width of 85 feet. Same width as the ASH-25's span. It is extremely unlikely these flights ever happened.
>
> Alex should find some other way to entertain himself.
>
> RC

[WAVEGURU]

Maybe we should get revenge and post real flights on Condor? And if you are not on Facebook it does not mean you do not exist, it just means you must have a lot to hide?...

Boggs

[Brad[_2_]]

Flights of fancy by the blue island pilots?
That's our AO up there.....I call BS.

Brad
GK

[Renny[_2_]]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 1:07:54 PM UTC-7, Brad wrote:
> Flights of fancy by the blue island pilots?
> That's our AO up there.....I call BS.
>
> Brad
> GK

This is all really rather strange....I have been carefully looking at the flight out of Moriarty on 2-18-16 and I do believe it is most likely, a fake.. The fact that there is no glider registered with that N number and the fact that this pilot seems to be a real mystery person with no apparent history, also seems to support the idea that something very strange has occurred here. Since Roswell is not that far away from Moriarty, I have called in Fox and Scully from "The X-Files" and they are now on the case!

Now, I used to joke that it if a flight was not on the OLC it did not "happen." Now, I am beginning to wonder if what I thought was "real" is perhaps not necessarily "real." Assuming we are not actually living in "The Matrix," I do hope the OLC folks take a close look at these strange flights to determine what may really be happening.....

Finally, please excuse me as a phone is ringing at a nearby pay phone booth (yes, they do still exist in "The Matrix") and I need to make my escape......back to reality..(I hope)...My apologies to those who never saw any of "The Matrix" movies....ring...ring...ring....

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Renny which pill would you take...?

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 5:47:18 PM UTC-8, Renny wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 1:07:54 PM UTC-7, Brad wrote:
> > Flights of fancy by the blue island pilots?
> > That's our AO up there.....I call BS.
> >
> > Brad
> > GK
>
> This is all really rather strange....I have been carefully looking at the flight out of Moriarty on 2-18-16 and I do believe it is most likely, a fake. The fact that there is no glider registered with that N number and the fact that this pilot seems to be a real mystery person with no apparent history, also seems to support the idea that something very strange has occurred here. Since Roswell is not that far away from Moriarty, I have called in Fox and Scully from "The X-Files" and they are now on the case!
>
> Now, I used to joke that it if a flight was not on the OLC it did not "happen." Now, I am beginning to wonder if what I thought was "real" is perhaps not necessarily "real." Assuming we are not actually living in "The Matrix," I do hope the OLC folks take a close look at these strange flights to determine what may really be happening.....
>
> Finally, please excuse me as a phone is ringing at a nearby pay phone booth (yes, they do still exist in "The Matrix") and I need to make my escape......back to reality..(I hope)...My apologies to those who never saw any of "The Matrix" movies....ring...ring...ring....

[[email protected]]

Yes, on the Moriarty flight he missed the runway completely and "landed" out in the scrub adjacent to the landing strip. Rookie mistake...

Ron

[JS]

All in fun. We know he's not getting the million Euro OLC prize.
A few years ago someone put a flight up many times using various gliders from ASW22-2 to Grunau Baby.
Jim

[Giaco]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:11:42 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Renny which pill would you take...?
>


There is a joke in there somewhere about the number of soaring pilots taking the blue pill...

[Brad[_2_]]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 7:27:15 PM UTC-8, Giaco wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:11:42 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > Renny which pill would you take...?
> >
>
>
> There is a joke in there somewhere about the number of soaring pilots taking the blue pill...

they all sunk out?

Brad
GK

[Hannes OLC Admin]

Am Dienstag, 15. November 2016 06:39:39 UTC+1 schrieb :
> I'm not the OLC police, but these flights are extremely odd. Taking off with an ASH-25 from Lost River Resort, even with a 260 Pawnee would be sketchy. Self launch is out of the question. (Especially when the airfield is covered with snow) Also, None of the N numbers on this fellow's stable of gliders exist. The anomalous logger fault reports further bring the flights into question. Are people logging Condor flights on OLC?
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightbook.html?st=olcp&rt=olc&pi=57815&sp=2016
>
> A couple of curious flights here as well. Especially the ASW-20 flight.
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=983686453
>
> Anyway, maybe somebody can shed some light on these seemingly questionable flights? I love a good mystery....
>
> Greetings from rainy NW Washington State.
>
> Ron Clark
> LS-3
> 77

Hello guys,

the OLC "police" is aware of that "flights", we are investigating, Hannes.

[Brad[_2_]]

Be gentle. Send play doh.

[[email protected]]

Alex has been called out by the real OLC police:
OLC-Team:
"Hello Alex Krauss, or whatever your name is, please refrain from claiming flights, which are obviously generated by a simulator, leave that nonsense!

It makes no sense anyway, because these files are invalid anyway and are not scored in our ranking list. What you do is really stupid and useless."

I'm surprised the OLC team was not able to simply delete his "flights".

Thanks to OLC administrator Hannes for following up, and the others here that took the time to look at the "flights".

I know, I should get a life, but it's pouring rain up here and looking at OLC flights keeps me entertained....

Ron

[Dan Marotta]

Now, if they'd only be so diligent about fixing my login...

Do you hear me OLC team? The email at the top of this message is mine
and it is valid.

Dan -

On 11/17/2016 11:29 AM, wrote:
> Alex has been called out by the real OLC police:
> OLC-Team:
> "Hello Alex Krauss, or whatever your name is, please refrain from claiming flights, which are obviously generated by a simulator, leave that nonsense!
>
> It makes no sense anyway, because these files are invalid anyway and are not scored in our ranking list. What you do is really stupid and useless."
>
> I'm surprised the OLC team was not able to simply delete his "flights".
>
> Thanks to OLC administrator Hannes for following up, and the others here that took the time to look at the "flights".
>
> I know, I should get a life, but it's pouring rain up here and looking at OLC flights keeps me entertained....
>
> Ron

--
Dan, 5J

[Brad[_2_]]

I tried several times to provide them with flight test data so that they could give me an accurate handicap for my home built tetra. Never got a response. Skylines was more than happy to work with me. I stopped posting to OLC 3 or 4 years ago

[Mike C]

On Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 6:20:35 PM UTC-7, Brad wrote:
> I tried several times to provide them with flight test data so that they could give me an accurate handicap for my home built tetra. Never got a response. Skylines was more than happy to work with me. I stopped posting to OLC 3 or 4 years ago

Hi Brad.

Interested to see what polar you have measured for your Tetra. Any chance you can post here?

Mike Carris

[Brad[_2_]]

Mike. There was a lot of scatter. But we're pretty confident it was getting over 40:1 with a stall speed of 37kts full flaps.
Brad

[[email protected]]

Hi Brad,

If you're willing to share your data, I would just love to look into constructing a polar out of it.
I've done the same for my Pilatus B4 and for a modified Std Cirrus in the past.

regards,

Roel

[Dan Marotta]

I prefer Skylines, too, mainly because I can use US units and it makes
keeping my logs up to date. I only started with OLC at the request of a
friend to add my paltry points to ABQ now Moriarty Soaring's score sheet.

On 11/17/2016 6:20 PM, Brad wrote:
> I tried several times to provide them with flight test data so that they could give me an accurate handicap for my home built tetra. Never got a response. Skylines was more than happy to work with me. I stopped posting to OLC 3 or 4 years ago

--
Dan, 5J

[Bruce Hoult]

On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 5:40:53 AM UTC+3, wrote:
> Yes, on the Moriarty flight he missed the runway completely and "landed" out in the scrub adjacent to the landing strip. Rookie mistake...

I did that on my one and only flight at Estrella sailport in a Grob twin in 1994. At the time I'd only been flying intensively for about two years, and that was in New Zealand, and I was not familiar with the concept of landing gliders on the "powered" (i.e. sealed) runway, so I landed on the best looking bit of "grass". Not exactly grass, but it was big enough and smooth enough. The locals seemed surprised, but fortunately not overly concerned.

More embarrassing was who was in the back.

I'd been doing some flying at Turf Soaring, on the other side of Phoenix, and decided one day to drive down and check out this other place. As I was walking to the clubhouse from my car I passed a 70ish but somehow familiar-looking gentleman walking the other way. "Afternoon", I said, and got an extremely plummy English "Good Afternoon" in response. I did a double-take, turned, and hesitantly "Um ... Mr Piggott?" "Yes?" After a couple of minutes chat we arranged to fly together the next day.

He remained completely silent during my landing. After we came to a stop he said "Well, I'll sign off a cross-country rating in this aircraft".

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Funny Story Bruce. I had the same type of thing happen during my Commercial helicopter check ride. Was taking my check ride with one of the best helicopter test pilots in the world out of Falcon Field in AZ. We'll call him Rich and he flew for Boeing. A very windy day, we were heading out to the practice area when he rolled the throttle off, I immediately did a 180 into the wind and set up to put down on a dirt road. I kept thinking he will roll the throttle back on. Apparently Rich was thinking the same thing! I put it down and Rich calmly stated he would have bet $1,000 I would have rolled the throttle back up, I told him I thought the same thing. Then Rich told me that "well I think that covers the 180's and full down autos". Not sure if he ever told the factory we did an auto to a wash-boarded gravel road.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-8, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 5:40:53 AM UTC+3, wrote:
> > Yes, on the Moriarty flight he missed the runway completely and "landed" out in the scrub adjacent to the landing strip. Rookie mistake...
>
> I did that on my one and only flight at Estrella sailport in a Grob twin in 1994. At the time I'd only been flying intensively for about two years, and that was in New Zealand, and I was not familiar with the concept of landing gliders on the "powered" (i.e. sealed) runway, so I landed on the best looking bit of "grass". Not exactly grass, but it was big enough and smooth enough. The locals seemed surprised, but fortunately not overly concerned..
>
> More embarrassing was who was in the back.
>
> I'd been doing some flying at Turf Soaring, on the other side of Phoenix, and decided one day to drive down and check out this other place. As I was walking to the clubhouse from my car I passed a 70ish but somehow familiar-looking gentleman walking the other way. "Afternoon", I said, and got an extremely plummy English "Good Afternoon" in response. I did a double-take, turned, and hesitantly "Um ... Mr Piggott?" "Yes?" After a couple of minutes chat we arranged to fly together the next day.
>
> He remained completely silent during my landing. After we came to a stop he said "Well, I'll sign off a cross-country rating in this aircraft".