LS4 - LS6 Fuselage size

[Mark]

Simple question I hope.

In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the LS4 the same as LS6a ?

Cheers

Mark

[Stewart Kissel]

The 6 is much narrower then the 4, to reduce wetted
area. If you fit in a 6, you will be able to get lost
inside a 4 cockpit-or as someone once posted here,
'Carry a bag of apples along with you'.




At 23:00 27 October 2003, Mark wrote:
>Simple question I hope.
>
>In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the
>LS4 the same as LS6a ?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>

[JJ Sinclair]

>
>In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the LS4 the same as LS6a ?

Hi Mark,
I measured the difference when we had a 4 and a 6 in the shop. The LS-6 is 2
inches less in width and 2 inched lass in height.
JJ Sinclair

[Mark]

Thanks Stewart and JJ............exactly what I was after.

Cheers

Mark

(JJ Sinclair) wrote in message >...
> >
> >In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the LS4 the same as LS6a ?
>
> Hi Mark,
> I measured the difference when we had a 4 and a 6 in the shop. The LS-6 is 2
> inches less in width and 2 inched lass in height.
> JJ Sinclair

[Ernie Schneider]

how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height

thanks

Ernie

--
"When we come to the place where the road and sky collide"
"Throw me over the edge and watch my spirit fly"


"Mark" > wrote in message
om...
> Thanks Stewart and JJ............exactly what I was after.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> (JJ Sinclair) wrote in message
>...
> > >
> > >In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the LS4 the same as
LS6a ?
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> > I measured the difference when we had a 4 and a 6 in the shop. The LS-6
is 2
> > inches less in width and 2 inched lass in height.
> > JJ Sinclair

[Marcel Duenner]

"Ernie Schneider" > wrote in message news:<4%1ob.1795$EY3.1046@edtnps84>...
> how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height
>
> thanks
>
> Ernie


Do some people not know how to use the net or are they just lazy?

LS4: 64cm / 83cm
LS6,7,8: 61cm / 80cm
S-H a: 54cm / 75cm
S-H b+c: 62cm / 81cm
ASW27+28: 64cm / 80cm

[Chris OCallaghan]

Ernie,

here's a more qualitative answer from someone 6'2" and 225 lbs:

No, they don't compare. I can fly and LS-6 comfortably if I take the
seat back out. I can't even close the Ventus 2a canopy. (BTW, the 2bx
is very roomy.)


Cheers

[Robert Ehrlich]

Ernie Schneider wrote:
>
> how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height
>

As far as I remember (flown a Ventus 2a twice in September, LS6 last
Saturday and a lot of other times) there is a little more space in
the LS6. The Ventus 2a didn't have an adjustable back rest, so I
had to add a cushion behind the parachute.

[Ernie Schneider]

thanks Robert, and what would your "size" be ?

I fit comfortably in a LS6(had one for a year) and I am 178 cm/5'10"

Ernie

--
"When we come to the place where the road and sky collide"
"Throw me over the edge and watch my spirit fly"


"Robert Ehrlich" > wrote in message
...
> Ernie Schneider wrote:
> >
> > how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height
> >
>
> As far as I remember (flown a Ventus 2a twice in September, LS6 last
> Saturday and a lot of other times) there is a little more space in
> the LS6. The Ventus 2a didn't have an adjustable back rest, so I
> had to add a cushion behind the parachute.

[Ernie Schneider]

Marcel, thanks for the legwork - highly appreciated

Ernie

--
"When we come to the place where the road and sky collide"
"Throw me over the edge and watch my spirit fly"


"Marcel Duenner" > wrote in message
om...
> "Ernie Schneider" > wrote in message
news:<4%1ob.1795$EY3.1046@edtnps84>...
> > how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Ernie
>
>
> Do some people not know how to use the net or are they just lazy?
>
> LS4: 64cm / 83cm
> LS6,7,8: 61cm / 80cm
> S-H a: 54cm / 75cm
> S-H b+c: 62cm / 81cm
> ASW27+28: 64cm / 80cm

[Stewart Kissel]

If you fit in a 6, you probably will be ok in the Ventus.
I am 5'11' and found length was not an issue for the
6. I have sat but not flown the 2a and it did not
seem narrower but may have less length. My suggeston
is to find one to sit in if you are considering the
purchase of one. Good luck.



At 18:06 30 October 2003, Ernie Schneider wrote:
>thanks Robert, and what would your 'size' be ?
>
>I fit comfortably in a LS6(had one for a year) and
>I am 178 cm/5'10'
>
>Ernie
>
>--
>'When we come to the place where the road and sky collide'
>'Throw me over the edge and watch my spirit fly'
>
>
>'Robert Ehrlich' wrote in message
...
>> Ernie Schneider wrote:
>> >
>> > how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a
>>>in width and height
>> >
>>
>> As far as I remember (flown a Ventus 2a twice in September,
>>LS6 last
>> Saturday and a lot of other times) there is a little
>>more space in
>> the LS6. The Ventus 2a didn't have an adjustable back
>>rest, so I
>> had to add a cushion behind the parachute.
>
>
>

[Robert Ehrlich]

Ernie Schneider wrote:
>
> thanks Robert, and what would your "size" be ?
>
> I fit comfortably in a LS6(had one for a year) and I am 178 cm/5'10"
>

I am 165 cm & 62 kg. While in some domains this small size may
be an inconvenient, in gliders it is clearly an advantage, except
for the frequent need of cushions and sometime ballast.

[Andreas Maurer]

On 30 Oct 2003 19:13:33 GMT, Stewart Kissel
> wrote:

>If you fit in a 6, you probably will be ok in the Ventus.
> I am 5'11' and found length was not an issue for the
>6. I have sat but not flown the 2a and it did not
>seem narrower but may have less length. My suggeston
>is to find one to sit in if you are considering the
>purchase of one. Good luck.

I fit fine in the LS-6 (the cockpit could be a little wider though).
In the Ventus2a/Discus2a my whole head would stand out of the canopy.
I'm 6'7''.

I'd estimate that maximum possible pilot size in a Ventus2a/Discus2a
is about 6'.



Bye
Andreas

[Andy Blackburn]

I'm 5'9', 180 lbs. and I find the S-H 'a' models way
too narrow - I had to twist my upper body sideways
to fit between the canopy rails. There is both a height
and width limit for these cockpits. For me it was width.

Also look out for the high 'ape factor' requirement
on S-H designs ('a' and 'b' models alike). I found
I had to loosen the shoulder straps to reach the instrument
panel - which was a problem with all the modern computer
equipment demanding knob-twisting. Others with longer
arms may not find this to be an issue. Some owners
have installed panel extensions to deal with this.

My advice: Don't buy a glider without at least sitting
in one first.

9B

Also At 01:36 31 October 2003, Andreas Maurer wrote:
>On 30 Oct 2003 19:13:33 GMT, Stewart Kissel
> wrote:
>
>>If you fit in a 6, you probably will be ok in the Ventus.
>> I am 5'11' and found length was not an issue for the
>>6. I have sat but not flown the 2a and it did not
>>seem narrower but may have less length. My suggeston
>>is to find one to sit in if you are considering the
>>purchase of one. Good luck.
>
>I fit fine in the LS-6 (the cockpit could be a little
>wider though).
>In the Ventus2a/Discus2a my whole head would stand
>out of the canopy.
>I'm 6'7''.
>
>I'd estimate that maximum possible pilot size in a
>Ventus2a/Discus2a
>is about 6'.
>
>
>
>Bye
>Andreas
>

[VentusDriver]

Ernie,

The Ventus A fus is noticable smaller than the LS-6. I fit into my
V2A fuse line to line and at 180lbs and 5'10" I dont think you can be
more than an inch taller and comfortably make it into the small Shempp
fuselage. The LS 6 has about 5cm more width and is also longer.
B model Ventus fuselages are similar to the LS6 in width and length.

Jim



"Ernie Schneider" > wrote in message news:<4%1ob.1795$EY3.1046@edtnps84>...
> how would a LS6 cockpit compare with a Ventus 2a in width and height
>
> thanks
>
> Ernie
>
> --
> "When we come to the place where the road and sky collide"
> "Throw me over the edge and watch my spirit fly"
>
>
> "Mark" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Thanks Stewart and JJ............exactly what I was after.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > (JJ Sinclair) wrote in message
> >...
> > > >
> > > >In respect to pilot seating, is the fuselage on the LS4 the same as
> LS6a ?
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > > I measured the difference when we had a 4 and a 6 in the shop. The LS-6
> is 2
> > > inches less in width and 2 inched lass in height.
> > > JJ Sinclair

[Mike Borgelt]

On 31 Oct 2003 04:04:31 GMT, Andy Blackburn
> wrote:

>I'm 5'9', 180 lbs. and I find the S-H 'a' models way
>too narrow - I had to twist my upper body sideways
>to fit between the canopy rails. There is both a height
>and width limit for these cockpits. For me it was width.
>
>Also look out for the high 'ape factor' requirement
>on S-H designs ('a' and 'b' models alike). I found
>I had to loosen the shoulder straps to reach the instrument
>panel - which was a problem with all the modern computer
>equipment demanding knob-twisting. Others with longer
>arms may not find this to be an issue. Some owners
>have installed panel extensions to deal with this.
>
>My advice: Don't buy a glider without at least sitting
>in one first.
>
>9B
Good advice.

re the ape factor. This is removed if you wear a back pack parachute
and sit on a very thin cushion. It really is comfortable and you can
reach the panel.

Some of us in Australia have modified the Ventus a seat pan to place
your backside further forward. You can actually cut it in half and
add 30mm and re-organise the front part. This helps if you are long in
the body and have short legs.

Mike Borgelt