iPaq screen reflections - anyone really happy with their solution?

[Jim Kelly]

Greetings!

Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq
reminded me just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . .
sooo hard to read, especially when wearing sunglasses.

Were there any solutions that worked well for you Northerners this
season??

I have noted a film from Brando at:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/screenprotector.php
(not much reference to stopping reflections though)

.. . and ClearTouch as sold by Richard at CraggyAero:
http://www.craggyaero.com/screen_protectors.htm
http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/threepack/ct3_ipaq_39.htm

Perhaps Paul Remde, and others have solutions too?

Anything found to work REALLY well??

Any comments??

Thanks.

Best regards,

Jim Kelly

[HL Falbaum]

The ClearTouch is easy to apply and works better than the WriteRight by
Fellows. I use blue blocking sunglasses and the bluish backlight from my
3955 is attenuated somewhat. It is functional, but frankly I was
disappointed in the overall image. I like my 1550 better but Winpilot
stopped supporting it. I have had a few flights with the SN10-the screen
visibility is very good, but the overall unit would take some time to
learn.

Overall, it is not as pretty as I wished, but it is useable, and the
ClearTouch does cut the reflections, by spreading them out and 'defocusing'
them. A slight tilt of the swivel mount helps somewhat. (Mine is mounted in
the center of the panel and close to it)

I am considering a black velvet 'bib' as the next step, to cut reflections
from the shirt and chute hardware.

--
Hartley Falbaum
ASW27B "KF" USA

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> Greetings!
>
> Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq
> reminded me just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . .
> sooo hard to read, especially when wearing sunglasses.
>
> Were there any solutions that worked well for you Northerners this
> season??
>
> I have noted a film from Brando at:
> http://shop.brando.com.hk/screenprotector.php
> (not much reference to stopping reflections though)
>
> . . and ClearTouch as sold by Richard at CraggyAero:
> http://www.craggyaero.com/screen_protectors.htm
> http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/threepack/ct3_ipaq_39.htm
>
> Perhaps Paul Remde, and others have solutions too?
>
> Anything found to work REALLY well??
>
> Any comments??
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim Kelly
>

[Jim Kelly]

| ClearTouch does cut the reflections, by spreading them out and
'defocusing'
| them. A slight tilt of the swivel mount helps somewhat. (Mine is
mounted in
| the center of the panel and close to it)

Sounds like ClearTouch "sort of" works, ie 'better than nothing'.
Anyone found a better product??


| I am considering a black velvet 'bib' as the next step, to cut
reflections
| from the shirt and chute hardware.

This has proven to work by one of our Aussie WinPilot gliding gurus.
Black is not the coolest choice to wear though!!

Thanks,

Jim

[Marc Ramsey]

Jim Kelly wrote:
> Sounds like ClearTouch "sort of" works, ie 'better than nothing'.
> Anyone found a better product??

I had a quick look at an iPaq with ClearTouch in direct sunlight, and it
was noticeably better than the screen protectors I have been using
(Micro Writeguards), which in turn were better than anything else I'd
found...

Marc

[F.L. Whiteley]

I hear there will be a shift in displays tech in the next few months that
should make these current kits obsolete.

"Marc Ramsey" > wrote in message
. com...
> Jim Kelly wrote:
> > Sounds like ClearTouch "sort of" works, ie 'better than nothing'.
> > Anyone found a better product??
>
> I had a quick look at an iPaq with ClearTouch in direct sunlight, and it
> was noticeably better than the screen protectors I have been using
> (Micro Writeguards), which in turn were better than anything else I'd
> found...
>
> Marc

[Marc Ramsey]

F.L. Whiteley wrote:
> I hear there will be a shift in displays tech in the next few months that
> should make these current kits obsolete.

Organic LED (OLED) and/or electronic ink technology has been supposed to
take over "real soon now" for a number of years. OLEDs use discrete
light emitters at each pixel, giving good contrast with no backlight
needed. Electronic ink uses tiny particles for pixels, electrically
flipping them between light and dark sides, which supposedly provides
contrast comparable to ink on paper.

As I remember, exactly one cellphone briefly made it onto the market
last spring with an OLED display. Apparently, OLEDs and e-ink still
have problems which need to be solved...

Marc

[Steve Hopkins]

Didn't someone develop an "eye piece", worn over one eye and linked to
the visual output of a PDA? The article, (long since lost in the bowels
of this computer), portrayed a view of the countryside as seen by the
pilot and, overlaid on this, was the GPS data and output from an
electrical Artificial Horizon. If anyone remembers this, could they post
the link?
Steve

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Subject: iPaq screen reflections - anyone really happy with their
solution?
Author: Jim Kelly >
Date/Time: 01:00 02 December 2003
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Greetings!

Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq reminded
me just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . . sooo hard to
read, especially when wearing sunglasses.

Were there any solutions that worked well for you Northerners this
season??

I have noted a film from Brando at:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/screenprotector.php
(not much reference to stopping reflections though)

.. . and ClearTouch as sold by Richard at CraggyAero:
http://www.craggyaero.com/screen_protectors.htm
http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/threepack/ct3_ipaq_39.htm

Perhaps Paul Remde, and others have solutions too?

Anything found to work REALLY well??

Any comments??

Thanks.

Best regards,

Jim Kelly


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[tango4]

These things are known as 'enhanced reality' displays. Much more practical
than HUDIS ( Fixed colimator projected head up display ) since in a
sailplane one needs to be looking about all the time.

I have seen a few at shows. Most are a complete waste of time in terms of
resolution, power drain and interface capabilities or are simply too large
to get onto your head with the canopy closed!

http://www.crd.ge.com/esl/cgsp/projects/er/

Ian

[Ian Forbes]

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:51:00 +1100, Jim Kelly wrote:

> Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq reminded me
> just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . . sooo hard to read,
> especially when wearing sunglasses.

I have an old Palm PDA with a black and white screen. I have loaded
Soaring Pilot on it and played with it but I never bothered to put it in
the glider.

However on the ground the display seems perfectly legible in bright light.

For those who have tried old PDA's, how do black and white screens shape
up against the latest colour ones?

Maybe it is worth trading some CPU power for a clearly readible display
and a decent battery life.


Ian

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I regret that I have not done much testing with screen protectors on Pocket
PCs. All the ones I have tried lowered visibility, but I haven't tried them
all.

I look forward to reading feedback from others.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> Greetings!
>
> Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq
> reminded me just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . .
> sooo hard to read, especially when wearing sunglasses.
>
> Were there any solutions that worked well for you Northerners this
> season??
>
> I have noted a film from Brando at:
> http://shop.brando.com.hk/screenprotector.php
> (not much reference to stopping reflections though)
>
> . . and ClearTouch as sold by Richard at CraggyAero:
> http://www.craggyaero.com/screen_protectors.htm
> http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/threepack/ct3_ipaq_39.htm
>
> Perhaps Paul Remde, and others have solutions too?
>
> Anything found to work REALLY well??
>
> Any comments??
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim Kelly
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I agree with others that the old Compaq Aero 1550 had the best contrast I've
seen to date. The slow processor is a bit of a pain, but Glide Navigator II
still runs great on it.

I've flown with 1550s, iPAQs, and Dell Axims. I find them all usable as
long as you can adjust the viewing angle in flight.

I think the idea of a shield or shroud over the iPAQ is an interesting idea,
but I've never tried it.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies

"Ian Forbes" > wrote in message
. za...
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:51:00 +1100, Jim Kelly wrote:
>
> > Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq reminded
me
> > just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . . sooo hard to
read,
> > especially when wearing sunglasses.
>
> I have an old Palm PDA with a black and white screen. I have loaded
> Soaring Pilot on it and played with it but I never bothered to put it in
> the glider.
>
> However on the ground the display seems perfectly legible in bright light.
>
> For those who have tried old PDA's, how do black and white screens shape
> up against the latest colour ones?
>
> Maybe it is worth trading some CPU power for a clearly readible display
> and a decent battery life.
>
>
> Ian
>

[Mike Borgelt]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:00 +1100, "Jim Kelly"
> wrote:

>Greetings!
>
>Summer has begun down under, and my first flight with an iPaq
>reminded me just how bad the reflections are in bright light . . .
>sooo hard to read, especially when wearing sunglasses.
>
>Were there any solutions that worked well for you Northerners this
>season??

Yep, PDA's almost work in a sailplane cockpit.

Next question - while footling with the PDA how is your lookout?

Next question - do you have it mounted where it blocks the forward and
down view from the cockpit?

Mike Borgelt

[Jim Kelly]

| Next question - while footling with the PDA how is your lookout?
| Next question - do you have it mounted where it blocks the forward
and
| down view from the cockpit?
| Mike Borgelt


Glad you asked Mike!

We advocate mounting the 'gadget' centrally on the panel, as high as
possible without obstructing any forward view. This allows a pilot's
peripheral vision to have a half decent chance of alerting him/her
to outside movement. I am dead against these gadgets being left on
one's leg where the heads down to read must be a serious safety
problem.

Winpilot has been designed with the pilot in mind and the interface
is very slick, with many functions just a finger prod away (never
need to use the stylus in flight). It is expected that learning to
use it is done outside of the cockpit (using the free simulator
mode, or even the free Desktop version for folks still deciding to
buy an iPaq or not).

With the mounts and wiring the way we envisage, we will be catering
for any gadget without the tangle of wires and brackets, etc, so
often seen. By keeping the display near the panel one's focus should
be no worse than glancing at the conventional gliding instruments.

Cheers,

Jim Kelly

[Tony Verhulst]

Mike Borgelt wrote:

> Next question - while footling with the PDA how is your lookout?

Much better than when trying to decipher a sectional chart. And, once
set, GN II really doesn't require much "footling".

> Next question - do you have it mounted where it blocks the forward and
> down view from the cockpit?

See http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/SOARING/cockpit_3.jpg

Tony V. LS6-b "6N"

[JohnD]

I started using my Ipaq last spring and had a lot of trouble with
glare. Definitely not as good a view as with my Compaq Aero. Tried a
black glare shield, not much help. Then the ClearTouch Richard
suggested. Much better. But in order to use the Ipaq effectively and
easily I had to turn off the color.

In B&W it is easy to read. Too bad, spent all that money on an
Ipaq.....

"tango4" > wrote in message >...
> These things are known as 'enhanced reality' displays. Much more practical
> than HUDIS ( Fixed colimator projected head up display ) since in a
> sailplane one needs to be looking about all the time.
>
> I have seen a few at shows. Most are a complete waste of time in terms of
> resolution, power drain and interface capabilities or are simply too large
> to get onto your head with the canopy closed!
>
> http://www.crd.ge.com/esl/cgsp/projects/er/
>
> Ian

[Libelle Driver]

What are you doing, flying with your left hand?

"Tony Verhulst" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Borgelt wrote:
>
> > Next question - while footling with the PDA how is your lookout?
>
> Much better than when trying to decipher a sectional chart. And, once
> set, GN II really doesn't require much "footling".
>
> > Next question - do you have it mounted where it blocks the forward and
> > down view from the cockpit?
>
> See http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/SOARING/cockpit_3.jpg
>
> Tony V. LS6-b "6N"
>

[Tony Verhulst]

Libelle Driver wrote:
> What are you doing, flying with your left hand?

Yeah. Not much choice because of the location of the shutter button.
Also on the LS6, the gear handle is on the right so have to fly with the
left hand on the stick for a short period of time. Not really a problem.

Tony V.
http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/SOARING

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

How did you "turn off the color"?

Paul Remde

"JohnD" > wrote in message
om...
> I started using my Ipaq last spring and had a lot of trouble with
> glare. Definitely not as good a view as with my Compaq Aero. Tried a
> black glare shield, not much help. Then the ClearTouch Richard
> suggested. Much better. But in order to use the Ipaq effectively and
> easily I had to turn off the color.
>
> In B&W it is easy to read. Too bad, spent all that money on an
> Ipaq.....
>
> "tango4" > wrote in message
>...
> > These things are known as 'enhanced reality' displays. Much more
practical
> > than HUDIS ( Fixed colimator projected head up display ) since in a
> > sailplane one needs to be looking about all the time.
> >
> > I have seen a few at shows. Most are a complete waste of time in terms
of
> > resolution, power drain and interface capabilities or are simply too
large
> > to get onto your head with the canopy closed!
> >
> > http://www.crd.ge.com/esl/cgsp/projects/er/
> >
> > Ian

[Jim Kelly]

| > See http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/SOARING/cockpit_3.jpg
| > Tony V. LS6-b "6N"

Tony, that iPaq mount seems to handle the wiring nicely. Which
brand/model is it??

Cheers,

Jim Kelly

[Eric Greenwell]

Tony Verhulst wrote:

> Libelle Driver wrote:
>
>> What are you doing, flying with your left hand?
>
>
> Yeah. Not much choice because of the location of the shutter button.
> Also on the LS6, the gear handle is on the right so have to fly with the
> left hand on the stick for a short period of time. Not really a problem.

An awfully nice day to be flying with a zero Macready setting...
--
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Replace "SPAM" with "charter" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

The cradle in the photo is a Mertins mount. I sell them for Enrique
Mertins.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/mertins.htm

Even better is the TEKK cradle:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/tekk.htm

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> | > See http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/SOARING/cockpit_3.jpg
> | > Tony V. LS6-b "6N"
>
> Tony, that iPaq mount seems to handle the wiring nicely. Which
> brand/model is it??
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Kelly
>

[Tony Verhulst]

> An awfully nice day to be flying with a zero Macready setting...

You actually use that?

Tony

[Tony Verhulst]

> The cradle in the photo is a Mertins mount. I sell them for Enrique
> Mertins.
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/mertins.htm

> Even better is the TEKK cradle:
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/tekk.htm

Seriously? I think the Mertins mount is pretty good and have a hard time
imagining a significant improvement. Can you be specific?

Tony V

[Eric Greenwell]

Tony Verhulst wrote:
>
>> An awfully nice day to be flying with a zero Macready setting...
>
>
> You actually use that?

Absolutely. The glider computer (I use Glide Navigator also) is usually
set to 4 to give me a safety margin to potential landout sites. The 302
is usually set to at least one, and on a good looking day in the
picture, at least 2 or 3, to encourage me to fly somewhere in the
proximity of the correct speed. I don't follow it slavishly.

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-----
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Clint]

> I have an old Palm PDA with a black and white screen. I have loaded
> Soaring Pilot on it and played with it but I never bothered to put it in
> the glider.
>
> However on the ground the display seems perfectly legible in bright light.
>
> For those who have tried old PDA's, how do black and white screens shape
> up against the latest colour ones?
>
> Maybe it is worth trading some CPU power for a clearly readible display
> and a decent battery life.
>
>
> Ian

had an old Palm Vx running Soaringpilot for flying. I then cooked its
battery and found it was too expensive to replace. I then started
shopping for a new PDA specifically to run Soaringpilot or the Pocket
PC equivalent. I looked at the various Ipaq's, Palm's etc and ended up
buying the IBM equivalent of the old Palm Vx for 100 pounds (new unit
but old technology) mainly as it had the monochrome screen.
Soaringpilot is a fantastic product (if you can call something that is
free a product) and flying with it is a joy. I use it in conjunction
with a LX 5000 as the navigation and task setting is so much easier to
use. Final glide is very similar in the two units but the speed-to-fly
is far better from the LX. I do not need a colour-moving map as I look
out the cockpit to see where I am - all I need to know is the airspace
and the various waypoints. You do not need colour and a powerful CPU
to show that. I have now bought a Colibri logger as my LX is so old -
it is not an IGC approved logger. Soaringpilot supports the data that
comes from the Colibri and will use the pressure altitude for
increased precision in the calculations.

Clinton
LAK 12

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I think the Mertins mount is a good product. Enrique does a very nice job
making them in molds, etc. But some customers that purchased them in the
past said they were not impressed with them because they look a little "home
made". I think the web site mentions that they are home made, but... I've
had to take one unit back for a refund. The unit worked fine but didn't
meet the customer's expectations for the price.

The TEKK cradle is mass produced and it looks it. It also has a latching
mechanism that is much easier to use (and just as secure) as the Mertins
solution.

The only possible downside to the TEKK cradle is that the cable doesn't run
through the gooseneck. There is actually a way to do that with a minor
modification, but it requires removing and re-attaching the connector. I've
never had any customer complain about the TEKK cradle. I actually get
e-mails from customers saying how much they love it and it's worth the
price. They sometimes include photos of the installation.

Please don't get the impression that I don't like the Mertins mount.
Enrique is very nice to work with and his cradles are nice if you want a
cradle that will hold an iPAQ in an expansion pack.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies

"Tony Verhulst" > wrote in message
...
>
> > The cradle in the photo is a Mertins mount. I sell them for Enrique
> > Mertins.
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/mertins.htm
>
> > Even better is the TEKK cradle:
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/tekk.htm
>
> Seriously? I think the Mertins mount is pretty good and have a hard time
> imagining a significant improvement. Can you be specific?
>
> Tony V
>

[Jim Kelly]

| The cradle in the photo is a Mertins mount. I sell them for
Enrique
| Mertins.
| http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/mertins.htm
|
| Even better is the TEKK cradle:
| http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/tekk.htm
|
| Paul Remde
| Cumulus Soaring Supplies


Paul, I do not mean to be rude at all . . . but it is such a pity
that these cradles cost so much! If they were *substantially*
cheaper folks could easily justify getting one for each of their
cars (for navigation using their iPaqs with TravRoute, etc) as well
as for each seat in their gliders. Seriously, this product could be
made in big volume if you tapped into the car navigation market!
Another model could include an amplifier with volume control to
boost the often inadequate volume of the iPaq. Add an efficient
power supply to the circuit and we could use it in the gliders. We
have seen the cost of parts to do this . . they are trivial . .

Meanwhile, any chance of a reduced price soon for the TEKK cradles?

Again Paul, I do not mean to be rude . . I prefaced this thread with
comments regarding prices for cradles as they seem absurd in our
currency.

Best regards,

Jim Kelly.

[Paul Remde]

Hi Jim,

I certainly don't take any offense at your comments on the pricing of the
TEKK cradles. I'd love to be able to sell them for less money. Neither I,
nor Klaus Keim who does most of the work on them in Germany is making enough
money to justify the amount of time we put into them as it is. The cradle
itself is mass produced for use in automobiles, but modifications are
required for use in gliders. The conversion rate from Euro to US$ isn't
helping the price either. I sell a lot of the cradles to glider pilots even
at the high price. Those customers seem to be able to justify the price.
Once you play with one and see how nice it is, and consider the safety
issues of using a home-made cradle, the price seems a little more palatable.
But I completely understand your wish that they could be less expensive.

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies


"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> | The cradle in the photo is a Mertins mount. I sell them for
> Enrique
> | Mertins.
> | http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/mertins.htm
> |
> | Even better is the TEKK cradle:
> | http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/tekk.htm
> |
> | Paul Remde
> | Cumulus Soaring Supplies
>
>
> Paul, I do not mean to be rude at all . . . but it is such a pity
> that these cradles cost so much! If they were *substantially*
> cheaper folks could easily justify getting one for each of their
> cars (for navigation using their iPaqs with TravRoute, etc) as well
> as for each seat in their gliders. Seriously, this product could be
> made in big volume if you tapped into the car navigation market!
> Another model could include an amplifier with volume control to
> boost the often inadequate volume of the iPaq. Add an efficient
> power supply to the circuit and we could use it in the gliders. We
> have seen the cost of parts to do this . . they are trivial . .
>
> Meanwhile, any chance of a reduced price soon for the TEKK cradles?
>
> Again Paul, I do not mean to be rude . . I prefaced this thread with
> comments regarding prices for cradles as they seem absurd in our
> currency.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim Kelly.
>

[Jim Kelly]

| The cradle
| itself is mass produced for use in automobiles, but modifications
are
| required for use in gliders.
| But I completely understand your wish that they could be less
expensive.
| Paul Remde

Maybe the mass produced model for automobiles will do the job?? Is
it much cheaper??

Cheers,

Jim.

[Richard Pfiffner]

Craggy Aero

Same cradle lower price.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com



"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> | The cradle
> | itself is mass produced for use in automobiles, but modifications
> are
> | required for use in gliders.
> | But I completely understand your wish that they could be less
> expensive.
> | Paul Remde
>
> Maybe the mass produced model for automobiles will do the job?? Is
> it much cheaper??
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim.
>
>

[Paul Remde]

Richard,

The note below is my expression of frustration on a tired evening. Your
note below "asked for it".

Your web site is impressive - a good copy of mine.

It is amazing the extent to which you copy my web site and take the margin
out of selling the products. I see you even stole my "Add to Cart" and
"View Cart" buttons. I created those. I'd request that you remove them
from your site, but I guess I don't want to go that far. Feel free to keep
using them. I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery...
Unethical is the word that comes to my mind. But we are in a free market
economy and I accept that.

I've heard rumors that your cables aren't as nice as the ones from Larry
Goddard that I sell. I'm sure others will say the opposite is true.

I find it hard to compete with you on price so I must take my hat off to
you. Since I don't make the cables myself (you must) I can't sell at the
prices you do. I do have a very loyal customer base though that seems to
like the support and customer service I offer. I imagine you have happy
customers as well.

I don't make enough money on the cables or cradles to want to sell for the
prices you do. I'll keep my prices where they are. If people buy from you,
good for you - you can sell the parts at a profit margin I won't accept.
I'm not making enough profit as it is to justify the late nights.

I can say that the TEKK cradle solution I offer has a much more rigid
gooseneck than the RAM gooseneck you offer.

Good Selling,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com




"Richard Pfiffner" > wrote in message
...
> Craggy Aero
>
> Same cradle lower price.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
>
>
> "Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
> u...
> > | The cradle
> > | itself is mass produced for use in automobiles, but modifications
> > are
> > | required for use in gliders.
> > | But I completely understand your wish that they could be less
> > expensive.
> > | Paul Remde
> >
> > Maybe the mass produced model for automobiles will do the job?? Is
> > it much cheaper??
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim Kelly]

>> the TEKK cradle solution <<

Now boys!

The price needs to a third of what it is to be realistic . . if you
have energy to vent go beat up the manufacturer!!

Considering that all we need is a us$20 HP sleeve fitted to a RAM
mount, add a plug with wires for us$13 (from here:
http://www.gomadic.com/ip4leadprewc.html#) to do just as good a job
bar one thing: the TEKK mount turns the wire backwards and protects
the delicate connector in the iPaq, I think a little job in the
workshop could protect the standard fitting.

One big advantage of the setup described is that by using Velcro to
fix the sleeve to the mount, anyone else with a different type of
gadget just has to add Velcro to it's back, slap it on and fly (no
iPaq mount to unscrew).

Cheers,

Jim Kelly.

To start, let me state that I find posts of this nature completely
unprofessional! If you have an issue with another company for infringement,
then take it up with them, not on here.

Let me share my experience with both of these vendors so the other side can
be heard.

When I purchased my glider I wrote both Richard (Craggy Aero) and Paul
(Cumulus Soaring) the exact same email seeking help. I do not know either of
them and have no other interest in them except as a prospective customer.

I included photos to assist them in deciding how best to solve my problems.
After researching the sites they both appeared to offer a solution to my
problem of hooking up an Ipaq to a B50/Volkslogger.

Cumulus's web site certainly sells one on how experienced and wonderful they
are (actually how wonderful he is), that's for sure. Craggy's web site just
offer the basic info and pricing with little sales pitch. Actually it's a
bit spartan.

I received a very fast and extensive reply from Craggy within a day. It
included many suggestions including an offer to prewire everything and ship
it to me within two days. I received prompt replies to further questions and
basically he put up with the newbie trying to find an economical solution.
(What this thread is really about)

On the other hand, I never heard back from Cumulus and sent a second email
asking for advise and finally received what I would call a "simple" reply;
"OK, here buy this!." The 'tone' of that email what not unlike his post here
attacking Richard. Nothing like I expected considering how the first page of
the website reads! I mean really, this guy is really into himself and it
shows!

While I decided to wait for the SSA convention and see these mounts and
cables in person (as well as meet the respective individuals), I did order
an upgrade for WinPilot from Richard and have received excellent support. I
also ordered a cable and it was not right and my return was treated very
promptly!

As I said, I find posts of this nature very unprofessional and for me shows
exactly what kind of businessman you are, notwithstanding how wonderful you
tell us you are!


"Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:4MbBb.477861$Fm2.467503@attbi_s04...
> Richard,
>
> The note below is my expression of frustration on a tired evening. Your
> note below "asked for it".
>

[Rich Kiray]

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message >...
> >> the TEKK cradle solution <<
>
> Now boys!
>
> The price needs to a third of what it is to be realistic . . if you
> have energy to vent go beat up the manufacturer!!
>
> Considering that all we need is a us$20 HP sleeve fitted to a RAM
> mount, add a plug with wires for us$13 (from here:
> http://www.gomadic.com/ip4leadprewc.html#) to do just as good a job
> bar one thing: the TEKK mount turns the wire backwards and protects
> the delicate connector in the iPaq, I think a little job in the
> workshop could protect the standard fitting.
>
> One big advantage of the setup described is that by using Velcro to
> fix the sleeve to the mount, anyone else with a different type of
> gadget just has to add Velcro to it's back, slap it on and fly (no
> iPaq mount to unscrew).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Kelly.

For an additional investment of $29.95, you can have automatic wire
connections, and rear-projecting (or side projecting) wires. See this
link: http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/product_pages/aw170.htm
I fabricated a mount for my iPAQ 3835 using an HP sleeve, the sleeve
lock described in the link, a piece of 1/4" plastic and some RAM mount
hardware. it worked so well I made a couple of them (one for my car
too). If you're good with a soldering iron, you can save the cost of
an expensive cable.

Rich Kiray

[Guy Byars]

> I think the Mertins mount is a good product. Enrique does a very nice job
> making them in molds, etc. But some customers that purchased them in the
> past said they were not impressed with them because they look a little
"home
> made". I think the web site mentions that they are home made, but... I've
> had to take one unit back for a refund. The unit worked fine but didn't
> meet the customer's expectations for the price.

I returned that unit to Paul earlier this year. It didn't meet my
expectations because it didn't work. The IPAQ wouldn't connect to the CAI
302 using that mount. I assume the mount connector was not making adequate
contact in the IPAQ or there was some other wiring problem.

Also the fit was so poor the IPAQ consistantly became stuck in the mount.
To extract the IPAQ I would have to hold the mount in one hand, the IPAQ in
the other and pull with clenched teeth until my face turned red... then the
IPAQ would come out. Waxing the edges of the IPAQ helped, but goodness
gracious, what a pain.

To Paul's credit, he did take the Mertin's mount back and give the credit
toward a TEKK mount which worked and fit perfectly from the start.

Guy Byars

[Tony Verhulst]

> I returned that [Mertins] unit to Paul earlier this year. It didn't meet my
> expectations because it didn't work........ Also the fit was so poor
> the IPAQ consistantly became stuck in the mount.

Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the Mertins
mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
finish of the one I received.

Tony

[Liam Finley]

Catfight!

"Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<4MbBb.477861$Fm2.467503@attbi_s04>...
....
> It is amazing the extent to which you copy my web site and take the margin
> out of selling the products. I see you even stole my "Add to Cart" and
> "View Cart" buttons. I created those. I'd request that you remove them
> from your site, but I guess I don't want to go that far. Feel free to keep
> using them. I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery...
> Unethical is the word that comes to my mind. But we are in a free market
> economy and I accept that.

Paul, you might also want to send a nasty note to Jeff Bezos. He also
stole your "shopping cart" idea on Amazon.com.

[Jim Kelly]

"Rich Kiray" > wrote in message
| For an additional investment of $29.95, you can have automatic
wire
| connections, and rear-projecting (or side projecting) wires. See
this
| link: http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/product_pages/aw170.htm

EXCELLENT! Thanks Rich!

I would expect the mount to work on later h3900, h5100, h5400, h5500
series iPaqs too, since they use the same sleeves and cradles.

Curiously, I opened the plug on my iPaq-GPS cable and found that
there were two carefully soldered jumper-wires joining several pairs
(?) of contacts. Anyone know why? I thought it might be to double up
on power, but this would have been better done at the other end of
the cable (there were plenty of unterminated wires available in the
lead).

I had expected just 5v, gnd, data-in and data-out to be needed. Is
it possible that some of the advanced data-comms pins have to be
jumpered for an iPaq to communicate with a gps?

I could peel off the tin sides and try to determine exactly which
pins are jumpered, but a magnifying glass will be needed . . boy is
it delicate in there!!

Cheers,

Jim

Trust that you've got some sleep by now Paul? This product, readily
available from Anywhere-Map, could be just the thing you need to
prove to TEKK that their price should have tumbled down by now. As
Rich says, once the price is right we will tend to buy them in
multiples. I for one would have bought straight from seeing them on
your beaut web site if the price had been reasonable.
Thanks for all of the time and effort that you put into your site,
it really is very good.

[Jim Kelly]

> wrote in message news:pXjBb.6245
>> I find posts of this nature very unprofessional <<

This sounds like "the pot calling the kettle black" to me!


You only have to look back through this newsgroup's postings to see
how Paul has made a great contribution to supporting the gliding
community for years. Then look over his web site to see a vast array
of good advice and collective knowledge that you won't find
elsewhere. From my observations both Paul and Richard are capable
businessmen and are able to offer great help to the gliding
community. At the end of the day a man's got to get bread on the
table. From what you have described about your experience, it may
have been easy to see that you were a WinPilot man and Paul was
being asked to provide support with little hope of getting any
order! Time management is an important aspect of being a good
businessman too!

Yes, Paul's post may have been unfortunate, but that can be the
nature - and strength - of such an open forum . . it isn't easy to
be great every day, at every thing!

Chin up Paul!!

Cheers,

Jim Kelly.

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message news:pXjBb.6245
> >> I find posts of this nature very unprofessional <<
> table. From what you have described about your experience, it may
> have been easy to see that you were a WinPilot man and Paul was
> being asked to provide support with little hope of getting any
> order!

Not quite true. Clearly on both sites are the cables and power supplies
that I'm going to require. I could purchase from either and accomplish the
goal.The are exactly the same (specification wise) at both companies The
only item was an upgrade to WinPilot (came with the ship). So if you think
passing up a sale of $300-$600 because I use WinPilot (upgrade cost of
$50.00) is good business well so be it. I don't. Besides, you build your
customers for not only present sales but future ones as well.

Besides, what do you feel is so unprofessional posting an experience, one
good and one not so good. After all, that's what this is all about isn't it?

I notice that is newsgroup community basically has nothing good to say about
the PW-5 and is quite vocal in that regard! Well I have a PW-5 and find all
the bashing in poor taste. I have refrained from comment as it's sad to see
such attitudes from fellow soaring pilots. Likewise it sad to see one vendor
attack another!

[Bob Gibbons]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> wrote:
.... text deleted ...
>
>Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the Mertins
>mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
>finish of the one I received.
>
>Tony
>

Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for the
past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.

Bob

[Paul Remde]

Funny!

Paul Remde

"Liam Finley" > wrote in message
om...
> Catfight!
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<4MbBb.477861$Fm2.467503@attbi_s04>...
> ...
> > It is amazing the extent to which you copy my web site and take the
margin
> > out of selling the products. I see you even stole my "Add to Cart" and
> > "View Cart" buttons. I created those. I'd request that you remove them
> > from your site, but I guess I don't want to go that far. Feel free to
keep
> > using them. I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery...
> > Unethical is the word that comes to my mind. But we are in a free
market
> > economy and I accept that.
>
> Paul, you might also want to send a nasty note to Jeff Bezos. He also
> stole your "shopping cart" idea on Amazon.com.

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Points taken. I do sincerely regret my comments from last night. I have
certainly heard many good things about Richard's customer support.
Certainly he and I have a lot in common in regard to the products we have
decided to sell and support. I guess I was just tired and frustrated that
he is apparently able to get the iPAQ cradles for less money than I. I
don't blame him for publicising that fact. I would do the same.

It does frustrate me that he chose to take a lot of content directly from my
web site (I've been told that some of the cable descriptions are word for
word identical to my site) - that is plagiarism. The reason it frustrates
me is that I put many, many hours into my web site and included many wiring
details in the cable descriptions in hope of helping glider pilots - not
competitive vendors. I knew there were risks to putting all the details on
the web site, but I chose to do it anyway. Also, his power converter is (I
think) pin for pin identical to the one Larry Goddard designed. I suppose
it could be argued that the data connections dictated the design, but it is
a bit odd. I guess I can't blame him for going into the cable business.
Perhaps I would have done the same thing in his place... I don't know.
There, I've said what I needed to say and I'll probably regret it. I won't
mention it again.

I've never met Richard and I don't have anything against him. As I
mentioned above it is obvious that he and I have a lot in common and we are
both trying to help glider pilots get their toys connected together and
working - with little monetary compensation. I look forward to meeting him
at the SSA convention. I think I owe him a beer at the very least, but I
think he owes me one as well.

A little competition is always good for customers, but at times I wonder
whether all the work is worth it for a $5 profit on a cable sale.

Ultimately, the glider community is small and I sincerely desire to have a
very friendly relationship with all glider pilots and those vendors who
support them. I guess my posting last night was not very polite or correct,
and for that I'm sorry. Historically I have tried to be a person who
advocates friendly exchanges in this newsgroup, yet I've sent rude postings
on a few occassions - and regretted it.

I am a bit surprized at the negative comments on my web site. I really
don't think I know everything. Really. What paragraphs come off as cocky
and arrogant? I really want to know. Is it where I state that "I aim to be
the most friendly, fun and helpful vendor of soaring supplies."? Note that
it says I "aim" to be those things, not that I am those things. I have
tried to make the web site a resource for helping glider pilots. There is a
bit of a marketing slant on it of course. I put the personal information on
the site to make it more fun. I think it is more fun to buy things from
people, not companies.

I'm sorry that I didn't give you the customer support you were looking for.
I do "aim" to please everyone. I wonder whether you caught me on a day
where I was swamped with dozens of e-mails. In any case, I'm sorry.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde


> wrote in message
...
> To start, let me state that I find posts of this nature completely
> unprofessional! If you have an issue with another company for
infringement,
> then take it up with them, not on here.
>
> Let me share my experience with both of these vendors so the other side
can
> be heard.
>
> When I purchased my glider I wrote both Richard (Craggy Aero) and Paul
> (Cumulus Soaring) the exact same email seeking help. I do not know either
of
> them and have no other interest in them except as a prospective customer.
>
> I included photos to assist them in deciding how best to solve my
problems.
> After researching the sites they both appeared to offer a solution to my
> problem of hooking up an Ipaq to a B50/Volkslogger.
>
> Cumulus's web site certainly sells one on how experienced and wonderful
they
> are (actually how wonderful he is), that's for sure. Craggy's web site
just
> offer the basic info and pricing with little sales pitch. Actually it's a
> bit spartan.
>
> I received a very fast and extensive reply from Craggy within a day. It
> included many suggestions including an offer to prewire everything and
ship
> it to me within two days. I received prompt replies to further questions
and
> basically he put up with the newbie trying to find an economical solution.
> (What this thread is really about)
>
> On the other hand, I never heard back from Cumulus and sent a second email
> asking for advise and finally received what I would call a "simple" reply;
> "OK, here buy this!." The 'tone' of that email what not unlike his post
here
> attacking Richard. Nothing like I expected considering how the first page
of
> the website reads! I mean really, this guy is really into himself and it
> shows!
>
> While I decided to wait for the SSA convention and see these mounts and
> cables in person (as well as meet the respective individuals), I did order
> an upgrade for WinPilot from Richard and have received excellent support.
I
> also ordered a cable and it was not right and my return was treated very
> promptly!
>
> As I said, I find posts of this nature very unprofessional and for me
shows
> exactly what kind of businessman you are, notwithstanding how wonderful
you
> tell us you are!
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:4MbBb.477861$Fm2.467503@attbi_s04...
> > Richard,
> >
> > The note below is my expression of frustration on a tired evening. Your
> > note below "asked for it".
> >
>
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600, 3700).

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring Supplies
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > wrote:
> ... text deleted ...
> >
> >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the Mertins
> >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
> >finish of the one I received.
> >
> >Tony
> >
>
> Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for the
> past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
> the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
>
> Bob
>

[Rich Kiray]

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message >...
> > wrote in message news:pXjBb.6245
> >> I find posts of this nature very unprofessional <<
>
> This sounds like "the pot calling the kettle black" to me!
>
>
> You only have to look back through this newsgroup's postings to see
> how Paul has made a great contribution to supporting the gliding
> community for years. Then look over his web site to see a vast array
> of good advice and collective knowledge that you won't find
> elsewhere. From my observations both Paul and Richard are capable
> businessmen and are able to offer great help to the gliding
> community. At the end of the day a man's got to get bread on the
> table. From what you have described about your experience, it may
> have been easy to see that you were a WinPilot man and Paul was
> being asked to provide support with little hope of getting any
> order! Time management is an important aspect of being a good
> businessman too!
>
> Yes, Paul's post may have been unfortunate, but that can be the
> nature - and strength - of such an open forum . . it isn't easy to
> be great every day, at every thing!
>
> Chin up Paul!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Kelly.

Please do not drag me in to discussions concerning pricing strategies
of companies/individuals offering products to the soaring community.
The point of my post was to offer an alternative, which worked for me.
I spent many hours tinkering with pieces before deciding what I
wanted. Paul took the time to speak with me about my project, offer
valuable advice and supplied items I needed. He is top-notch and does
not deserve flaming.

The jumpers are ground jumpers, not power jumpers. Pin-out info was
obtained on the internet.

You correctly stated that it takes a skilled hand to solder
connections to the iPAQ 3835 connector, and some good eyesight. Many
of us could not successfully complete this job (which took several
hours). I had to tape Xacto blades to my multimeter, just to be able
to check for proper connections and shorts (look how thin the pins are
and how close together they are). Considering the amount of time I
spent on it, the cable pricing seems right to me. I purchased a cable
from Paul, learned from it, and then was able to make my own cable
(for my 2nd mount).

[Andy Henderson]

Well said Jim,

Paul has mad a significant contribution to enhancing gliding and
providing free and helpful information to anyone who ask's. His web
site is one of the best for gliderpilots I've come across. He has
always dealt with my queries quickly and to my satisfaction just as
I'm sure Richard would. We all have off day's and are entitled to the
occasional moan.

Keep up the good work Paul (and Richard of course.

Regards,

Andy Henderson




"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message >...
> > wrote in message news:pXjBb.6245
> >> I find posts of this nature very unprofessional <<
>
> This sounds like "the pot calling the kettle black" to me!
>
>
> You only have to look back through this newsgroup's postings to see
> how Paul has made a great contribution to supporting the gliding
> community for years. Then look over his web site to see a vast array
> of good advice and collective knowledge that you won't find
> elsewhere. From my observations both Paul and Richard are capable
> businessmen and are able to offer great help to the gliding
> community. At the end of the day a man's got to get bread on the
> table. From what you have described about your experience, it may
> have been easy to see that you were a WinPilot man and Paul was
> being asked to provide support with little hope of getting any
> order! Time management is an important aspect of being a good
> businessman too!
>
> Yes, Paul's post may have been unfortunate, but that can be the
> nature - and strength - of such an open forum . . it isn't easy to
> be great every day, at every thing!
>
> Chin up Paul!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Kelly.

[Rich Kiray]

My post below was in error. I purchased a cable from Richard at Craggy
Aero. I apologize for the confusion.

If you look at this from the perspective of how much is your time
worth, then you wouldn't bother taking the approach I took (making
your own mount and cable). It was winter, I wasn't flying and I
needed something to keep my mind on the sport.


>
> Please do not drag me in to discussions concerning pricing strategies
> of companies/individuals offering products to the soaring community.
> The point of my post was to offer an alternative, which worked for me.
> I spent many hours tinkering with pieces before deciding what I
> wanted. Paul took the time to speak with me about my project, offer
> valuable advice and supplied items I needed. He is top-notch and does
> not deserve flaming.
>
> The jumpers are ground jumpers, not power jumpers. Pin-out info was
> obtained on the internet.
>
> You correctly stated that it takes a skilled hand to solder
> connections to the iPAQ 3835 connector, and some good eyesight. Many
> of us could not successfully complete this job (which took several
> hours). I had to tape Xacto blades to my multimeter, just to be able
> to check for proper connections and shorts (look how thin the pins are
> and how close together they are). Considering the amount of time I
> spent on it, the cable pricing seems right to me. I purchased a cable
> from Paul, learned from it, and then was able to make my own cable
> (for my 2nd mount).

[David Russell]

Funny how different folks have different experiences:

I emailed a question to Paul the other day and got a nice, useful reply
exactly 20 minutes later. The only soaring supplier that has beat that is
Mike Borgelt - about 10 minutes one time. Both are much better that I get
from other non-soaring businesses.

I've also had great service from Craggy.

I've got a couple of more questions for Paul before I buy the cables.
These questions are likely to push his and my patience to the edge! Gotta
get my panel layout in line first.

When I'm upset with service, I generally put at least half of the blame on
myself - How has my day been? Am I in too much of a hurry? Got a chip on my
shoulder about something else? Not getting the answer I want, so the other
guy is an idiot? and so on.

Dave R.
> wrote in message
...
> To start, let me state that I find posts of this nature completely
> unprofessional! If you have an issue with another company for
infringement,
> then take it up with them, not on here.
>
> Let me share my experience with both of these vendors so the other side
can
> be heard.
>
> When I purchased my glider I wrote both Richard (Craggy Aero) and Paul
> (Cumulus Soaring) the exact same email seeking help. I do not know either
of
> them and have no other interest in them except as a prospective customer.
>
> I included photos to assist them in deciding how best to solve my
problems.
> After researching the sites they both appeared to offer a solution to my
> problem of hooking up an Ipaq to a B50/Volkslogger.
>
> Cumulus's web site certainly sells one on how experienced and wonderful
they
> are (actually how wonderful he is), that's for sure. Craggy's web site
just
> offer the basic info and pricing with little sales pitch. Actually it's a
> bit spartan.
>
> I received a very fast and extensive reply from Craggy within a day. It
> included many suggestions including an offer to prewire everything and
ship
> it to me within two days. I received prompt replies to further questions
and
> basically he put up with the newbie trying to find an economical solution.
> (What this thread is really about)
>
> On the other hand, I never heard back from Cumulus and sent a second email
> asking for advise and finally received what I would call a "simple" reply;
> "OK, here buy this!." The 'tone' of that email what not unlike his post
here
> attacking Richard. Nothing like I expected considering how the first page
of
> the website reads! I mean really, this guy is really into himself and it
> shows!
>
> While I decided to wait for the SSA convention and see these mounts and
> cables in person (as well as meet the respective individuals), I did order
> an upgrade for WinPilot from Richard and have received excellent support.
I
> also ordered a cable and it was not right and my return was treated very
> promptly!
>
> As I said, I find posts of this nature very unprofessional and for me
shows
> exactly what kind of businessman you are, notwithstanding how wonderful
you
> tell us you are!
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:4MbBb.477861$Fm2.467503@attbi_s04...
> > Richard,
> >
> > The note below is my expression of frustration on a tired evening. Your
> > note below "asked for it".
> >
>
>

>
> I've never met Richard and I don't have anything against him.

Well I guess we can all meet each other in Atlanta!

[JohnD]

In response to your question Paul:
I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I don't
remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in one
of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
Color.

In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot easier
to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.

To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are learning
to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
should be.

Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.














"Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> Hi,
>
> I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600, 3700).
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > wrote:
> > ... text deleted ...
> > >
> > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the Mertins
> > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
> > >finish of the one I received.
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> >
> > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for the
> > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
> > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> >
> > Bob
> >

[Richard Pfiffner]

John

A button on the front of the Ipaq can be assigned to 1 Map, this will turn
the terrain on and off and give you the terrain or the white screen.
Menu - edit - touch button on the bottom of the screen - select 1 Map from
the Button function drop down menu.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com



"JohnD" > wrote in message
om...
> In response to your question Paul:
> I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I don't
> remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in one
> of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
> Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
> cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
> Color.
>
> In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
> so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot easier
> to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.
>
> To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
> using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are learning
> to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
> should be.
>
> Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600, 3700).
> >
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> >
> > "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > > wrote:
> > > ... text deleted ...
> > > >
> > > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the
Mertins
> > > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
> > > >finish of the one I received.
> > > >
> > > >Tony
> > > >
> > >
> > > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for the
> > > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
> > > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >

[K.P. Termaat]

Hi John,

I use an iPaq 3950 and run WinPilot AV on it. The way I use to improve
readebility of the iPaq is to set a higher contrast and avoid that all of
the landscape gets a color assigned.
With WinPilot running go to 'menu' then 'setting2' and mark elevations to
on. Then press 'edit'. Set Floor level to e.g +1, Color shift to e.g -1 and
Contrast to x2.
I use these settings with good results.
Did not install yet the anti glare film, but better do that I guess.

Karel, NL

"JohnD" > schreef in bericht
om...
> In response to your question Paul:
> I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I don't
> remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in one
> of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
> Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
> cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
> Color.
>
> In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
> so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot easier
> to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.
>
> To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
> using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are learning
> to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
> should be.
>
> Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600, 3700).
> >
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> >
> > "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > > wrote:
> > > ... text deleted ...
> > > >
> > > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the
Mertins
> > > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
> > > >finish of the one I received.
> > > >
> > > >Tony
> > > >
> > >
> > > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for the
> > > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
> > > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >

[Richard Pfiffner]

Karel

Make sure you get the Clear Touch or Brando (In Europe) Brand Screen
Protectors. The tipical ones you buy in Office Depot etc. do not work.


www.craggyaero.com in the US
http://www.crabb.biz/vl.htm in Europe

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

"K.P. Termaat" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hi John,
>
> I use an iPaq 3950 and run WinPilot AV on it. The way I use to improve
> readebility of the iPaq is to set a higher contrast and avoid that all of
> the landscape gets a color assigned.
> With WinPilot running go to 'menu' then 'setting2' and mark elevations to
> on. Then press 'edit'. Set Floor level to e.g +1, Color shift to e.g -1
and
> Contrast to x2.
> I use these settings with good results.
> Did not install yet the anti glare film, but better do that I guess.
>
> Karel, NL
>
> "JohnD" > schreef in bericht
> om...
> > In response to your question Paul:
> > I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I don't
> > remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in one
> > of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
> > Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
> > cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
> > Color.
> >
> > In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
> > so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot easier
> > to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.
> >
> > To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
> > using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are learning
> > to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
> > should be.
> >
> > Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600,
3700).
> > >
> > > Paul Remde
> > > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> > >
> > > "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > ... text deleted ...
> > > > >
> > > > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the
> Mertins
> > > > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit and
> > > > >finish of the one I received.
> > > > >
> > > > >Tony
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for
the
> > > > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was looking,
> > > > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
>
>

[K.P. Termaat]

Thanks Richard. I have some "Clear Touch" protectors of BoxWave available
(shipped over from the US at about 9$9,- each). I am not sure this is the
right stuff though.
B.t.w. I use the KEIM iPaq mount in our new Ventus. Quite expensive but high
quality. Works great.

Karel, NL
http://home.wxs.nl/~kpt9


"Richard Pfiffner" > schreef in bericht
...
> Karel
>
> Make sure you get the Clear Touch or Brando (In Europe) Brand Screen
> Protectors. The tipical ones you buy in Office Depot etc. do not work.
>
>
> www.craggyaero.com in the US
> http://www.crabb.biz/vl.htm in Europe
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
> "K.P. Termaat" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I use an iPaq 3950 and run WinPilot AV on it. The way I use to improve
> > readebility of the iPaq is to set a higher contrast and avoid that all
of
> > the landscape gets a color assigned.
> > With WinPilot running go to 'menu' then 'setting2' and mark elevations
to
> > on. Then press 'edit'. Set Floor level to e.g +1, Color shift to e.g -1
> and
> > Contrast to x2.
> > I use these settings with good results.
> > Did not install yet the anti glare film, but better do that I guess.
> >
> > Karel, NL
> >
> > "JohnD" > schreef in bericht
> > om...
> > > In response to your question Paul:
> > > I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I don't
> > > remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in one
> > > of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
> > > Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
> > > cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
> > > Color.
> > >
> > > In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
> > > so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot easier
> > > to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.
> > >
> > > To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
> > > using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are learning
> > > to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
> > > should be.
> > >
> > > Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> > news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600,
> 3700).
> > > >
> > > > Paul Remde
> > > > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > > > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > ... text deleted ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in the
> > Mertins
> > > > > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit
and
> > > > > >finish of the one I received.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tony
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount for
> the
> > > > > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was
looking,
> > > > > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Richard Pfiffner]

Those are the ones.


"K.P. Termaat" > wrote in message
.. .
> Thanks Richard. I have some "Clear Touch" protectors of BoxWave available
> (shipped over from the US at about 9$9,- each). I am not sure this is the
> right stuff though.
> B.t.w. I use the KEIM iPaq mount in our new Ventus. Quite expensive but
high
> quality. Works great.
>
> Karel, NL
> http://home.wxs.nl/~kpt9
>
>
> "Richard Pfiffner" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> > Karel
> >
> > Make sure you get the Clear Touch or Brando (In Europe) Brand Screen
> > Protectors. The tipical ones you buy in Office Depot etc. do not work.
> >
> >
> > www.craggyaero.com in the US
> > http://www.crabb.biz/vl.htm in Europe
> >
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
> >
> > "K.P. Termaat" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > I use an iPaq 3950 and run WinPilot AV on it. The way I use to improve
> > > readebility of the iPaq is to set a higher contrast and avoid that all
> of
> > > the landscape gets a color assigned.
> > > With WinPilot running go to 'menu' then 'setting2' and mark elevations
> to
> > > on. Then press 'edit'. Set Floor level to e.g +1, Color shift to
e.g -1
> > and
> > > Contrast to x2.
> > > I use these settings with good results.
> > > Did not install yet the anti glare film, but better do that I guess.
> > >
> > > Karel, NL
> > >
> > > "JohnD" > schreef in bericht
> > > om...
> > > > In response to your question Paul:
> > > > I 'turn off the color' as a function of the Winpilot program. I
don't
> > > > remember exactly but I think it is the topographic map display in
one
> > > > of the setup windows. This feature sounded great when I bought
> > > > Winpilot Pro but really isn't necessary if I keep my eyes out of the
> > > > cockpit. Viewing the display is significantly improved in B/W vs.
> > > > Color.
> > > >
> > > > In regards to comments by others: I do not understand why people are
> > > > so concerned about lookout when using a PDA. For me it is a lot
easier
> > > > to use a PDA than a sectional for most common navigational purposes.
> > > >
> > > > To me is seems all a matter of preparation no matter what you are
> > > > using in regards to outside the cockpit awareness. If you are
learning
> > > > to use one or the other in the air you will not be as aware as you
> > > > should be.
> > > >
> > > > Know your PDA's funcionality BEFORE you fly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> > > news:<lSvBb.486179$HS4.3733905@attbi_s01>...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do finally have a few TEKK cradles for older iPAQs (3100, 3600,
> > 3700).
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Remde
> > > > > Cumulus Soaring Supplies
> > > > > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bob Gibbons" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:03:30 -0500, Tony Verhulst
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ... text deleted ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Apparently, then, there is more than a little variability in
the
> > > Mertins
> > > > > > >mounts - quality wise. I was completely satisfied with the fit
> and
> > > > > > >finish of the one I received.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tony
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Same here, I have been very satisified using my Mertins mount
for
> > the
> > > > > > past 6 months with my IPAQ 3635. At least at the time I was
> looking,
> > > > > > the TEKK mounts were not available for the older IPAQ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[JohnD]

I'm glad I got into this thread. Three good tips. Thanks!