what is it about women? [Archive]

Jim Culp

January 10th 04, 03:15 AM

Ted Wagner

January 10th 04, 04:08 AM

One of my few complaints about the sport of skydiving was that men outnumbered the women by 3:1 or something like that. (How's that for a depressing Lad:Dame ratio?) I was expecting soaring would be a little better, but alas, I've been disappointed in that department, even more this time.

Who cares why!? Let's do something about it!!! So, my New Year's resolution is to do just that. I will recruit only women, and I'm going to start with the bulletin boards in all the sorority houses at the local U. Free rides for any lady who asks, and for many who don't.

It's time to take a page from Hugh Grant's book in About a Boy. To arms, brothers, to arms!!! Two legs, two eyes, two ...

-tw

BTIZ

January 10th 04, 06:07 AM

it's Cybil...

"Jim Culp" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
> Please find below,
> several questions considering constitution, psychology,
> and motivations of women,
> for your sincere proffers and posits
> hereunto:
>
> 1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
> (Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
> glider pilots.)
> a) are they afraid?
>
> b) do they feel no sense of gain by accomplishing
> flight?
>
> c) is their (female) fear mechanism and psychology
> different from that of males? how?
>
> d) is their (female) thrill and joy psychology intrinsically
> different from that of males? how?
>
> 2. Why do more females not seek out gliding aviation
> and sport much as they may for male company and sport
> among hang glider pilots and for among male parachute
> jumpers and sport?
>
> 3. If male glider pilots came to the airfield in Limousines,
> wore tatoos and had ear and tongue piercings, used
> and gave away currently popular illegal drugs, and
> flashed Gold debtcards, would more females be attracted
> to gliding than now?
>
> 4. Is this subject forbidden in America or in worldwide
> discussion of gliding?
>
> Your posits and proffers from males and females, giving
> serious thought and expository composition, shall be
> interesting. goferit.
>
> Dancing on clouds,
>
> Keep it up!
>
> Jim Culp USA
> GatorCity Florida
>
> 'Have glider
> Will travel'
>
>

Judy Ruprecht

January 10th 04, 08:09 AM

At 03:30 10 January 2004, Jim Culp wrote:
>Questions regarding females and gliding:

>1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
>(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
>glider pilots.)

(And there followed a bunch of balderdash!)

Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
friends are not apt to say...

'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
(and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')

'I'd love to crew for you.'

'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
to take care of the kids for you.'

'I'd love to crew for you.'

'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '

'I'd love to crew for you.'

Any more questions?

Judy

Nyal Williams

January 10th 04, 02:54 PM

At 04:24 10 January 2004, Ted Wagner wrote:
>One of my few complaints about the sport of skydiving
>was that men
>outnumbered the women by 3:1 or something like that.
>(How's that for a
>depressing Lad:Dame ratio?) I was expecting soaring
>would be a little
>better, but alas, I've been disappointed in that department,
>even more
>this time.
>
>Who cares why!? Let's do something about it!!! So,
>my New Year's
>resolution is to do just that. I will recruit only
>women, and I'm going
>to start with the bulletin boards in all the sorority
>houses at the
>local U. Free rides for any lady who asks, and for
>many who don't.
>
>
>It's time to take a page from Hugh Grant's book in
>About a Boy. To arms,
>brothers, to arms!!! Two legs, two eyes, two ...
>
>-tw

If you believe the old saw that males are interested
in things whereas females are interested in relationships,
then we should go back to the Pratt-Read and develop
more side-by-side two-seaters.

Nyal Williams

January 10th 04, 03:06 PM

At 08:24 10 January 2004, Judy Ruprecht wrote:
>At 03:30 10 January 2004, Jim Culp wrote:
>>Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
>>1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
>>(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
>>glider pilots.)
>
>(And there followed a bunch of balderdash!)
>
>Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
>in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
>friends are not apt to say...
>
>'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
>to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
>(and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
>trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
>so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
>to take care of the kids for you.'
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
>hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
>on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
>motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
>the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
>ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
>and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
>every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>Any more questions?
>
>Judy

But, Judy!

Nobody says those things to the guys, either!
Maybe it takes a self-centered, insensitive clod to
be a glider pilot. Is there a descriptor for such
a female? If I knew one I wouldn't dare use it. (In
any case, I know it wouldn't fit you!)

JJ Sinclair

January 10th 04, 03:12 PM

Good reply, Judy
Keep that up and you will become a star in one of ZERO CINCO's cartoons, or
maybe you already are. The gal that is hot for the pool guy?

I think the question was concerning why more ladies don't seek out the thrill
of soaring, you know that spirit that just can't wait to go out and get in
trouble, just beyond gliding distance back home. Maybe they have more sense
than their male counterparts?
JJ Sinclair

Gary Boggs

January 10th 04, 05:06 PM

I don't know why there aren't more women in soaring but the ones that are
involved are definitely the cream of the crop, best of the best, examples of
great people you could
ever hope to find! I still get a warm and cozy feeling when I remember at
the 15meter nationals in Tonopah when all the men were using a microphone
to talk and then Cindy had something to say, she didn't need one of those
wimpy microphones! Here's to Cindy and Judy and Marion and Doris and Jan
and all the rest of the wives and crew and pilots that ARE involved in our
great sport!

P.S. Is it too obvious that I'm single?

Gary Boggs and my faithful dog, Rotor.

"Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
...
At 08:24 10 January 2004, Judy Ruprecht wrote:
>At 03:30 10 January 2004, Jim Culp wrote:
>>Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
>>1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
>>(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
>>glider pilots.)
>
>(And there followed a bunch of balderdash!)
>
>Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
>in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
>friends are not apt to say...
>
>'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
>to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
>(and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
>trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
>so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
>to take care of the kids for you.'
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
>hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
>on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
>motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
>the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
>ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
>and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
>every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>
>'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
>Any more questions?
>
>Judy

But, Judy!

Nobody says those things to the guys, either!
Maybe it takes a self-centered, insensitive clod to
be a glider pilot. Is there a descriptor for such
a female? If I knew one I wouldn't dare use it. (In
any case, I know it wouldn't fit you!)

Kizuno

January 10th 04, 05:07 PM

In the UK and Eastern Europe, I recall seeing a number of active, enthusiastic,
YOUNG (and mature) and talented female pilots. There are enough to hold a
Women's championship, and I remember reading (and seeing) that female glider
pilots in the UK are something like 10% of the total. Jim's comments are
directed at the US, but clearly there are drivers (like a strong club structure
I'd think) that are not likely to change in the States.

No solutions, just observations..........

Steve

January 10th 04, 05:08 PM

Judy Ruprecht > wrote:
> Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
> in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
> friends are not apt to say...
>
> 'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
> to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
> (and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
> trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
> so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
> to take care of the kids for you.'
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
> hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
> on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
> motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
> the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
> ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
> and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
> every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> Any more questions?
>
> Judy

Hey Judy! How about this.

"I'd Love to crew for you. My name is not Prince Charming, but I do
have all my own hair (what is left of it, that is ;-) ) and teeth
(plural). The A/C in the coversion van works and I can put whatever
size ball is needed on the receiver hitch. I can assemble my 604 by
myself (Or the Zuni for closer performance matched playing) and you
would have your choice of turning the crank on the one-man rigger for
your ASW-20 or handling the now oh-so-light root end. What?!?! Quit
flying? Never! Just get a two place for when we get to old to safely
fly by ourselves. And I never get tired of hearing flying stories."

Heart going pitter patter yet? And to prove that I really am willing
to crew, I gave up a really good soaring day this last summer to chase
a friend on his silver distance flight. The day after I bumped the
state 200 KM speed record up by about 8 MPH. And the same day someone
else bumped my brand new record up another 8 MPH.

So, where do you want to fly this year?

Steve Leonard
Wichita, KS

Bob Kuykendall

January 10th 04, 05:37 PM

Earlier, Jim Culp > wrote:

> Questions regarding females and gliding:...

I propose we re-start this thread under the title "What is it about _Soaring_?"

Bob K.

dennis

January 10th 04, 07:06 PM

Hey Steve - sounds like an RHJ-9 incentive program.

In article >,
(Steve) wrote:
>Judy Ruprecht > wrote:
>> Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
>> in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
>> friends are not apt to say...
>>
>> 'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
>> to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
>> (and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
>> trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>>
>> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>>
>> 'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
>> so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
>> to take care of the kids for you.'
>>
>> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>>
>> 'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
>> hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
>> on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
>> motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
>> the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
>> ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
>> and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
>> every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>>
>> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>>
>> Any more questions?
>>
>> Judy
>
>Hey Judy! How about this.
>
>"I'd Love to crew for you. My name is not Prince Charming, but I do
>have all my own hair (what is left of it, that is ;-) ) and teeth
>(plural). The A/C in the coversion van works and I can put whatever
>size ball is needed on the receiver hitch. I can assemble my 604 by
>myself (Or the Zuni for closer performance matched playing) and you
>would have your choice of turning the crank on the one-man rigger for
>your ASW-20 or handling the now oh-so-light root end. What?!?! Quit
>flying? Never! Just get a two place for when we get to old to safely
>fly by ourselves. And I never get tired of hearing flying stories."
>
>Heart going pitter patter yet? And to prove that I really am willing
>to crew, I gave up a really good soaring day this last summer to chase
>a friend on his silver distance flight. The day after I bumped the
>state 200 KM speed record up by about 8 MPH. And the same day someone
>else bumped my brand new record up another 8 MPH.
>
>So, where do you want to fly this year?
>
>Steve Leonard
>Wichita, KS

Mhudson126

January 10th 04, 08:14 PM

Questions regarding females and gliding:

Please find below,

several questions considering constitution, psychology,

and motivations of women,

for your sincere proffers and posits

hereunto:

1. Why do more females not fly gliders?

(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women

glider pilots.)

a) are they afraid?

--Absolutely not. Bring it on.

b) do they feel no sense of gain by accomplishing

flight?

--It is an accomplishment, but not a particularly difficult one to acheive
these days. Just expensive.

c) is their (female) fear mechanism and psychology

different from that of males? how?

--Not mine, but I can't speak for all females. I've encountered many who seem
afraid to fly alone.

d) is their (female) thrill and joy psychology intrinsically

different from that of males? how?

--More thrills, PLEASE! Can we do more wingovers in early training? That's what
got me hooked. Oh and please burn every 2-33 in existance. Nothing is more
disheartening than flying a box 25 times and paying out the nose for it until
you can cough up even more to transition to something halfway decent!

2. Why do more females not seek out gliding aviation

and sport much as they may for male company and sport

among hang glider pilots and for among male parachute

jumpers and sport?

--Check out the age distribution among glider pilots vs hang glider pilots.

3. If male glider pilots came to the airfield in Limousines,

wore tatoos and had ear and tongue piercings, used

and gave away currently popular illegal drugs, and

flashed Gold debtcards, would more females be attracted

to gliding than now?

--Probably. At least they'd be entertaining to watch, and maybe they'd even pay
for a hotel for their crew instead of selling their souls for a $40,000 racing
ship and then being tightwads. Champagne anyone? They'd probably have a pack of
rockets in that limo somewhere which would be grand fun after a few bottles of
bubbly.

4. Is this subject forbidden in America or in worldwide

discussion of gliding?

--I hope not.

Your posits and proffers from males and females, giving

serious thought and expository composition, shall be

interesting. goferit.

Dancing on clouds,

Keep it up!

Jim Culp USA

GatorCity Florida

'Have glider

Will travel'

--If you want more women showing up on the airfield, first try recruiting young
people in general. Soaring is EXPENSIVE!! Hence it becomes a sport for the
sailplane obsessed or the old. You'll have a much easier time recruiting young
women than older ones who are usually saddled with family and financial
responsibilities.

--Loosen up! Take the proverbial stick out of your collective arses. "Girls
just wanna have fun." Look around your home airfield. How could you make it a
little more welcoming? I'm not taking about Martha Stewart style or anything,
although a toilet by the flight line wouldn't hurt....

Mhudson126

January 10th 04, 08:21 PM

Just to clear things up, that last post was from Lauren Reitz, not me. It was
simply written on my computer. Lauren is a post-solo 20 yr old female who is a
senior in aeronautical engineering at Penn State and recently completed
checkout in the Grob 103.
-Mitch

David

January 10th 04, 11:35 PM

I don't buy it. Our club has three gliders and forty or so
members, all of whom are men (I think). Club membership is
pretty painless - $425 a year plus tows.

On the other hand, I don't have any great ideas as to why
there are so few women, other than soaring enthusiasts in general
are some of the most surly and socially inept misfits
I've known. :)

David

Judy Ruprecht > wrote in message >...
> At 03:30 10 January 2004, Jim Culp wrote:
> >Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
> >1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
> >(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
> >glider pilots.)
>
> (And there followed a bunch of balderdash!)
>
> Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
> in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
> friends are not apt to say...
>
> 'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
> to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
> (and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
> trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
> so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
> to take care of the kids for you.'
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
> hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
> on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
> motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
> the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
> ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
> and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
> every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> Any more questions?
>
> Judy

Libelle Driver

January 10th 04, 11:56 PM

Sorry for your bad experience with glider pilots that you have met. My best
friends are glider pilots and I would certainly would be glad to have them
around me at any event.

Fred

> On the other hand, I don't have any great ideas as to why
> there are so few women, other than soaring enthusiasts in general
> are some of the most surly and socially inept misfits
> I've known. :)
>

soarski

January 11th 04, 01:45 AM

(dennis) wrote in message t>...
> Hey Steve - sounds like an RHJ-9 incentive program.
>
>
> In article >,
> (Steve) wrote:
> >Judy Ruprecht > wrote:
> >> Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
> >> in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
> >> friends are not apt to say...
> >>
> >> 'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
> >> to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
> >> (and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
> >> trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
> >>
> >> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
> >>
> >> 'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
> >> so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
> >> to take care of the kids for you.'
> >>
> >> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
> >>
> >> 'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
> >> hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
> >> on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
> >> motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
> >> the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
> >> ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
> >> and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
> >> every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
> >>
> >> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
> >>
> >> Any more questions?
> >>
> >> Judy
> >
> >Hey Judy! How about this.
> >
> >"I'd Love to crew for you. My name is not Prince Charming, but I do
> >have all my own hair (what is left of it, that is ;-) ) and teeth
> >(plural). The A/C in the coversion van works and I can put whatever
> >size ball is needed on the receiver hitch. I can assemble my 604 by
> >myself (Or the Zuni for closer performance matched playing) and you
> >would have your choice of turning the crank on the one-man rigger for
> >your ASW-20 or handling the now oh-so-light root end. What?!?! Quit
> >flying? Never! Just get a two place for when we get to old to safely
> >fly by ourselves. And I never get tired of hearing flying stories."
> >
> >Heart going pitter patter yet? And to prove that I really am willing
> >to crew, I gave up a really good soaring day this last summer to chase
> >a friend on his silver distance flight. The day after I bumped the
> >state 200 KM speed record up by about 8 MPH. And the same day someone
> >else bumped my brand new record up another 8 MPH.
> >
> >So, where do you want to fly this year?
> >
> >Steve Leonard
> >Wichita, KS

What an OFFER!

NOW...All those old geezers have all those nice planes?? But I
understand there are Lots and lots of rich old ladies around?
Possibly more than men?

Why don't THEY get into the act? Actually, Judy, you should get a
club like that going, Then THAT group could help teenagers get off
the ground? I understand that there is so much wealth among older
ladies, that they possibly could sponser them for free?

Some how it is not easy to get teenagers going on the sport, because
of this peer thing. In Germany it seems more likely because of
befriended Families, more of them, often, all live on the gliderport
on weekends.

The interesting thing is, that their trainig progresses very slowly
within the club. It takes a 16 year old at least 2 years to get the
license. Endless Winch launches with very little Soaring practice in
the first summer. Theory often comes only after one and a half year,
60 hrs.classroom. Tests, again later! I feel they loose quite a few
there? I think they changed the rules a little recently!

soarski

January 11th 04, 02:00 AM

Nyal Williams > wrote in message >...
> At 04:24 10 January 2004, Ted Wagner wrote:
> >One of my few complaints about the sport of skydiving
> >was that men
> >outnumbered the women by 3:1 or something like that.
> >(How's that for a
> >depressing Lad:Dame ratio?) I was expecting soaring
> >would be a little
> >better, but alas, I've been disappointed in that department,
> >even more
> >this time.
> >
> >Who cares why!? Let's do something about it!!! So,
> >my New Year's
> >resolution is to do just that. I will recruit only
> >women, and I'm going
> >to start with the bulletin boards in all the sorority
> >houses at the
> >local U. Free rides for any lady who asks, and for

> >many who don't.
> >
> >
> >It's time to take a page from Hugh Grant's book in
> >About a Boy. To arms,
> >brothers, to arms!!! Two legs, two eyes, two ...
> >
> >-tw
>
> If you believe the old saw that males are interested
> in things whereas females are interested in relationships,
> then we should go back to the Pratt-Read and develop
> more side-by-side two-seaters.

No need for that! I taught 14 teenagers in a side by side Stemme last
September
It was a first for me, teaching side by side! One really can have
more insight of what the student is perceiving and so on. Guess that
goes for a Lady companion too..... Stemme might bring out a pure
sailplane in that configuration!

David

January 11th 04, 02:23 AM

Me too. :)

"Libelle Driver" > wrote in message >...
> Sorry for your bad experience with glider pilots that you have met. My best
> friends are glider pilots and I would certainly would be glad to have them
> around me at any event.
>
> Fred
>
> > On the other hand, I don't have any great ideas as to why
> > there are so few women, other than soaring enthusiasts in general
> > are some of the most surly and socially inept misfits
> > I've known. :)
> >

Roy

January 11th 04, 01:51 PM

You both have points.
Surly, socially inept, misfits I would say was kind.
My best friends are pilots too.

you put us alongside "normal" people (i.e. football fans) and we are weird.

Hanggliding isn't really any better for women participants, One of the best
women hangglider pilots in the world is more of a man than I'll ever be
(deeper voice, bigger arms)

Paragliding is better than both HG and Sailplanes, (from a female
participation point) but then they are younger, as a group than us, the
training takes 2 days and they drop words like "extreme" "Rad" "Big air"
when from a distance (i.e. to us) the most extreme thing about them is their
clothing.

Flying just like joining the military isn't a thing "normal" women do.
(note that I have already pointed out that the men don't fall into the
"normal" category either)

Women don't have testosterone hurtling round their systems making them
"prove" themselves better than their peers.
They tend to be just as satisfied with pursuits that don't result in
adrenaline highs.

Face it. men and women are different.
They don't pee standing up.
we don't give birth to sprogs.

We are better at (generally) strength / adrenaline type thingies.
Running around doing things under pressure we enjoy.

we are absolutely hopeless when it comes to "social" type things which women
excel at.
take conversation, women will talk and talk and talk, this is a good way for
them to
cement relationships with others around them.
We (unless beer and a bar and "there I was" come into it) tend to be more
direct and talk to pass information.

Roy

John Shelton

January 11th 04, 06:14 PM

Well, that is about what I would have said and I am not a Vagino-American.

"Judy Ruprecht" > wrote in message
...
> At 03:30 10 January 2004, Jim Culp wrote:
> >Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
> >1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
> >(Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
> >glider pilots.)
>
> (And there followed a bunch of balderdash!)
>
> Here, IMHO, is the reason there aren't more US women
> in soaring: their parents/significant others/spouses/children/
> friends are not apt to say...
>
> 'Oh yes, $75 - 100 per flight is a reasonable amount
> to pay for the 20 to 30 flights you'll need to solo...
> (and later on, 'Gee, a gently used ASW 20 with a Cobra
> trailer really is a steal at under $30,000.')
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'I understand tomorrow's soaring forecast looks great,
> so I'll (pick one: take the day off/hire a babysitter)
> to take care of the kids for you.'
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> 'Hi, Toots. My name is Prince Charming, I have my own
> hair and teeth, neither of which needs to be stashed
> on a bedside table over night. I own an air conditioned
> motorhome with a 1 7/8 ball and I know my way around
> the root end of the wing during assembly of the aforementioned
> ASW-20. I will never tell you to quit flying gliders
> and I will thrill to the dulcet tone of your voice
> every time you say, 'There I was at 500 feet...' '
>
> 'I'd love to crew for you.'
>
> Any more questions?
>
> Judy
>
>

John Shelton

January 11th 04, 06:19 PM

The more I read this string the more I laugh my head off. I am forwarding
this all over the country. It is such a pure description of the problem
within the question that I am roaring out loud. I know about a dozen women
that could not get as far down as Judy did before shaking their heads and
clicking off.

This is great stuff. See, reality is so much funnier than fantasy.

It is the basic premise upon which Pez is founded.

What is it about women indeed............

"Jim Culp" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Questions regarding females and gliding:
>
> Please find below,
> several questions considering constitution, psychology,
> and motivations of women,
> for your sincere proffers and posits
> hereunto:
>
> 1. Why do more females not fly gliders?
> (Therein may be answer to why are there so few women
> glider pilots.)
> a) are they afraid?
>
> b) do they feel no sense of gain by accomplishing
> flight?
>
> c) is their (female) fear mechanism and psychology
> different from that of males? how?
>
> d) is their (female) thrill and joy psychology intrinsically
> different from that of males? how?
>
> 2. Why do more females not seek out gliding aviation
> and sport much as they may for male company and sport
> among hang glider pilots and for among male parachute
> jumpers and sport?
>
> 3. If male glider pilots came to the airfield in Limousines,
> wore tatoos and had ear and tongue piercings, used
> and gave away currently popular illegal drugs, and
> flashed Gold debtcards, would more females be attracted
> to gliding than now?
>
> 4. Is this subject forbidden in America or in worldwide
> discussion of gliding?
>
> Your posits and proffers from males and females, giving
> serious thought and expository composition, shall be
> interesting. goferit.
>
> Dancing on clouds,
>
> Keep it up!
>
> Jim Culp USA
> GatorCity Florida
>
> 'Have glider
> Will travel'
>
>

Stewart Kissel

January 11th 04, 06:34 PM

>This is great stuff. See, reality is so much funnier
>than fantasy.
>
>It is the basic premise upon which Pez is founded.
>
>What is it about women indeed............
>
Gee, combine

1.) Sailplane pilot physiques,

2.) Sharp dressed pilot attire,

3.) Garden spot locals,

4.) Aforementioned communication skills and open-minded
attitudes,

5) Ability to dweeb over fascinating issues of thermal
structure, instrument interfacing and software glitches,

PEZ is us.

Jay Todd

January 12th 04, 03:08 PM

"Gary Boggs" > wrote in message >...
> I don't know why there aren't more women in soaring but the ones that are
> involved are definitely the cream of the crop, best of the best, examples of
> great people you could
> ever hope to find! I still get a warm and cozy feeling when I remember at
> the 15meter nationals in Tonopah when all the men were using a microphone
> to talk and then Cindy had something to say, she didn't need one of those
> wimpy microphones! Here's to Cindy and Judy and Marion and Doris and Jan
> and all the rest of the wives and crew and pilots that ARE involved in our
> great sport!
>
> P.S. Is it too obvious that I'm single?
>
> Gary Boggs and my faithful dog, Rotor.
>
>

It's not obvious until folks see the art on the tail of your glider Gary!
lol

3D

Wallace Berry

January 12th 04, 03:12 PM

In article >,
(David) wrote:

> I don't buy it. Our club has three gliders and forty or so
> members, all of whom are men (I think). Club membership is
> pretty painless - $425 a year plus tows.
>
> On the other hand, I don't have any great ideas as to why
> there are so few women, other than soaring enthusiasts in general
> are some of the most surly and socially inept misfits
> I've known. :)
>
> David

It really is very simple. I can sum it up in two words:

RESTROOM FACILITIES

Glider fields with clean and convenient toilet facilities have no lack
of female pilots.

The broader question is why aren't more PEOPLE involved in soaring. The
answer to getting more people involved in soaring is to establish more
private gliding sites like Caesar Creek or Newcastle, etc. where we can
have a welcoming atmosphere and clean and convenient facilities. Visit
Caesar Creek or Soaring Society of Memphis for a weekend and you will
see.

Some commercial operations do a great job in this respect. However, the
realities of making a living out of commercial soaring make it very
difficult to match the social aspects of a great club.

Just as an aside: Have you ever noticed that despite the fact most of us
male glider pilots really do resemble Pez, our wives tend to be pretty
good looking?

Gary Boggs

January 12th 04, 04:50 PM

I'm just an artsy kind of guy I guess?

"Jay Todd" > wrote in message
om...
"Gary Boggs" > wrote in message
>...
> I don't know why there aren't more women in soaring but the ones that are
> involved are definitely the cream of the crop, best of the best, examples
of
> great people you could
> ever hope to find! I still get a warm and cozy feeling when I remember at
> the 15meter nationals in Tonopah when all the men were using a microphone
> to talk and then Cindy had something to say, she didn't need one of those
> wimpy microphones! Here's to Cindy and Judy and Marion and Doris and Jan
> and all the rest of the wives and crew and pilots that ARE involved in our
> great sport!
>
> P.S. Is it too obvious that I'm single?
>
> Gary Boggs and my faithful dog, Rotor.
>
>

It's not obvious until folks see the art on the tail of your glider Gary!
lol

3D

Tony Verhulst

January 12th 04, 05:00 PM

It's not just women. The gliderports that I've been to in the U.S. are
dominated not just men but by *caucasian* men. Members of all minorities
are welcome at my club but they simply don't show up on the field for
intro lessons - let alone apply for membership. Personally, I would
welcome the diversity.

Tony V.
http://www.soargbsc.org

Marc Ramsey

January 12th 04, 06:57 PM

Tony Verhulst wrote:
> It's not just women. The gliderports that I've been to in the U.S. are
> dominated not just men but by *caucasian* men. Members of all minorities
> are welcome at my club but they simply don't show up on the field for
> intro lessons - let alone apply for membership. Personally, I would
> welcome the diversity.

Gee Tony, I've flown a few times with some of your fellow club members
when I've been back in the Boston area, so at least one of us show up.
I'll try to spread a bit more diversity next time I'm out there ;^)

Marc

Richard Brisbourne

January 12th 04, 09:15 PM

Kizuno wrote:

> In the UK and Eastern Europe, I recall seeing a number of active,
> enthusiastic,
> YOUNG (and mature) and talented female pilots. There are enough to hold a
> Women's championship, and I remember reading (and seeing) that female
> glider
> pilots in the UK are something like 10% of the total. Jim's comments are
> directed at the US, but clearly there are drivers (like a strong club
> structure I'd think) that are not likely to change in the States.
>
> No solutions, just observations..........

And there've always been women pilots here in the UK who have distinguished
themselves one way or another. I can think of at least two women national
champions (Sally Wells, Anne Burns), and some of us are old enough to know
how much we all owe to Anne Welch.

However this thread did remind me of the comment of the first girl friend I
ever took up in a glider: "Don't you get bored flying round in circles all
the time?"
--
Soar the big sky
The real name on the left is richard

Roy

January 12th 04, 10:25 PM

"Richard Brisbourne" > wrote in message
...
> Kizuno wrote:
>
> > In the UK and Eastern Europe, I recall seeing a number of active,
> > enthusiastic,
> > YOUNG (and mature) and talented female pilots. There are enough to hold
a
> > Women's championship, and I remember reading (and seeing) that female
> > glider
> > pilots in the UK are something like 10% of the total. Jim's comments
are
> > directed at the US, but clearly there are drivers (like a strong club
> > structure I'd think) that are not likely to change in the States.
> >
> > No solutions, just observations..........
>
> And there've always been women pilots here in the UK who have
distinguished
> themselves one way or another. I can think of at least two women national
> champions (Sally Wells, Anne Burns), and some of us are old enough to know
> how much we all owe to Anne Welch.
>
> However this thread did remind me of the comment of the first girl friend
I
> ever took up in a glider: "Don't you get bored flying round in circles all
> the time?"
> --
> Soar the big sky
> The real name on the left is richard

Yup, no spatial awareness.
Bloody wimmin, If god had meant them to fly he'd have given them brains.

(I'm only doing that for a giggle, at least you have scrolled down far
enough to see that)
((and wimmen are touchy, hence the "get out" clause above))

do I mean it ? or don't I?

(you know I do)